Theology/Denomination Tags
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it would certainly speed up the application launch for anyone who values the convenience of these types of collections.
Question: How often do you use those collections?
Maybe save the rules in a doc or text file out side of Logos and then rebuild the collection on the rare times that you need it?
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Some of us are just learning that the collection filters caches are rebuilt every time the application starts. If Logos could implement some type of theological/denominational tagging, it would certainly speed up the application launch for anyone who values the convenience of these types of collections.
I too was thinking that it might be a good idea to post in this thread too. Thanks. I'm especially interested to hear if anyone else who uses these collection rules has experienced an speed/performance issues on switching layouts.
Question: How often do you use those collections?
Maybe save the rules in a doc or text file out side of Logos and then rebuild the collection on the rare times that you need it?
I can at least answer your question from my point of view. It has not been often that I have used them. I was also thinking that I might save the rules in a document but it certainly would be more convenience to have them in Logos.
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Question: How often do you use those collections?
Maybe save the rules in a doc or text file out side of Logos and then rebuild the collection on the rare times that you need it?
I tend to use them on the fly within the library, mostly via the info pane about a resource. I find myself glancing at the resource info a few times a week.
Since computers can accomplish things faster and far more efficiently than we can, I'd rather let the software do it. It's certainly far more convenient for Logos to keep the collection info up to date for me, rather than me having to remember to manually rebuild it.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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I too was thinking that it might be a good idea to post in this thread too. Thanks. I'm especially interested to hear if anyone else who uses these collection rules has experienced an speed/performance issues on switching layouts.
I use these collection rules, but my time to switch between layouts is only about 5-10 seconds. I've never seen times in the 1 or 2 minute range that you've reported. I think it probably comes down to the complexity of the layout, and the performance of the machine.
I did notice an improvement once I had switched to using Multiview, but can't provide any numbers for comparison, as I replaced my L6 layouts with new ones for L7.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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I too was thinking that it might be a good idea to post in this thread too. Thanks. I'm especially interested to hear if anyone else who uses these collection rules has experienced an speed/performance issues on switching layouts.
I'd be very confident that collection rules don't affect layout switching. I'm fairly sure there's a problem with your layouts.db file, as I mention on the other thread.
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I'd be very confident that collection rules don't affect layout switching.
That is good to know. I was just saying this as others thought that collections may be contributing to the issue.
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I have been using these collections to tag, and then deleting them. Every now and then I check and see when they were last updated, and re-tag everything.
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I do much as abondservant as the collections build time is problematic.
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The latest edition of the spreadsheet is: 4314.Denominations and Theology - 26 September 2016.zip
The reference guide is: 0763.Theology and Denomination Tag Reference - 5 April 2016.doc
I have added over 400 more authors, including all those in the latest Collector's Edition. As always, feel free to make suggestions, corrections, etc. and I'll try to add them as soon as I can. The Faithlife Group (https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/about) is continuing to grow slowly, and I've updated all the collections available there.
Note that the spreadsheet contains far more information than the collections in the Faithlife Group, but it is too unwieldy to create all the collections that could be created from the data in the spreadsheet. It also allows bespoke groups such as Female Lutherans, nineteenth-century Anglicans and either sixteenth-century or Catholic. There are nearly 7000 authors listed, with over 5600 categorised.
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Thanks! I took a peak at this and I was surprised there was no theology: premillenial but there was one for amillenial. Is that tag in the works?
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Thanks! I took a peak at this and I was surprised there was no theology: premillenial but there was one for amillenial. Is that tag in the works?
I'm happy to add it if anyone can find a reliable list of premillennial authors to start it off (or any other theological grouping for that matter).
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The latest edition of the spreadsheet is: 4314.Denominations and Theology - 26 September 2016.zip
The reference guide is: 0763.Theology and Denomination Tag Reference - 5 April 2016.doc
Thanks for all your meticulous work to do this. [Y] Personally I think it would be amazing if this was incorporated directly into the Logos software but I also know that there are challenges with that.
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The latest edition of the spreadsheet is: 4314.Denominations and Theology - 26 September 2016.zip
The reference guide is: 0763.Theology and Denomination Tag Reference - 5 April 2016.doc
Thanks for all your meticulous work to do this.
Personally I think it would be amazing if this was incorporated directly into the Logos software but I also know that there are challenges with that. 0 -
The latest edition of the spreadsheet is: 4314.Denominations and Theology - 26 September 2016.zip
The reference guide is: 0763.Theology and Denomination Tag Reference - 5 April 2016.doc
Thanks for all your meticulous work to do this.
Personally I think it would be amazing if this was incorporated directly into the Logos software but I also know that there are challenges with that. Thanks for the positive feedback, Bruce and Gao. I agree that it would be good if Logos took this on properly. Apart from meaning I wouldn't spend so much time on this, we could also deal with the 21 non-unique names in the spreadsheet, such as William Alexander, Charles Brown and Douglas Campbell, by using unique reference IDs instead of names. It may also encourage them to de-duplicate, so that people like David John Atkinson and D. Round aren't entered twice. (Filter spreadsheet subcategory = Not Unique and subcategory = Duplicate.)
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The latest edition of the spreadsheet is: 5466.Denominations and Theology - 28 January 2017.zip
The reference guide is: 0763.Theology and Denomination Tag Reference - 5 April 2016.doc
Rather than add hundreds of new authors this time, I have mainly been checking the nearly 7000 authors already present against Bibliographical Dictionaries and Encyclopedia entries in Logos resources. The spreadsheet now records whether the authors are mentioned in works such as the Baptist Encyclopedia, Book of Saints, Jewish Encyclopedia, Lutheran Cyclopedia, SDA Encyclopedia and the massive Cyclopædia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, along with its supplement and addenda (see the spreadsheet notes page for the complete list so far). This has allowed extra data to be added for existing authors, though it is clear that there is a minor discrepancy in the dates of birth and death for many authors. I've tended to favour the most recent publication.
I've also added theology categories for amillennialist, premillennialist, postmillennialist, annihilationist, theistic evolutionist and creationist. The spreadsheet differentiates some young earth and old earth proponents as well. I'm open to other suggestions, particularly if they are backed up by reliable starter lists of candidates.
As always, feel free to make suggestions, corrections, etc. and I'll try to add them as soon as I can. I've updated all the collections available through the Faithlife Group as well (https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/about).
Note that the spreadsheet contains far more information than the collections in the Faithlife Group, but it is too unwieldy to create all the collections that could be created from the data in the spreadsheet, such as denominations with fewer authors and bespoke groups such as Female Lutherans, nineteenth-century Anglicans and 'either sixteenth-century or Catholic'.
I would love it if the data here was available directly in Logos, as suggested here (https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/9285627-library-hierarchy-and-filtering), and part of a larger database of biblical issues and stances, as suggested here (https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/17871697-create-a-database-of-biblical-issues-and-stances-w). If you appreciate this project, please consider supporting at least the second of these ideas by clicking the link, signing in and voting. Thanks.
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I just added votes to both suggestions. I am grateful for all the hard work that has been done with this!
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I just added votes to both suggestions. I am grateful for all the hard work that has been done with this!
Many thanks, Matthew.
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Some of us are just learning that the collection filters caches are rebuilt every time the application starts. If Logos could implement some type of theological/denominational tagging, it would certainly speed up the application launch for anyone who values the convenience of these types of collections.
I don't keep these as permanent collections. I just use the rule to filter my library, tag the resources accordingly and then use the tag as a filter if I require it when running search.
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Phil recently posted that FL is discussing how to incorporate Denominations and Theological tagging into Logos:
"This is definitely something we'd like to do. We've been discussing it internally and want to make sure we approach it in the right way. Once we have an agreed-upon approach, it's just a matter of timing when to do the work."
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Phil recently posted that FL is discussing how to incorporate Denominations and Theological tagging into Logos:
"This is definitely something we'd like to do. We've been discussing it internally and want to make sure we approach it in the right way. Once we have an agreed-upon approach, it's just a matter of timing when to do the work."
Looking forward to this as an added feature.
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Phil recently posted that FL is discussing how to incorporate Denominations and Theological tagging into Logos:
"This is definitely something we'd like to do. We've been discussing it internally and want to make sure we approach it in the right way. Once we have an agreed-upon approach, it's just a matter of timing when to do the work."
Thanks for the cross-post. I would have missed it otherwise.
Those who use this project may want to see one of the ways I see this developing here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/133058/918806.aspx#918806 and consider voting for the new development here: https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/17871697-create-a-database-of-biblical-issues-and-stances-w
Logos have only taken on the Denomination/Theology project because of all the interest shown in it. Votes count, and it's taken five years for them to get round to discussing an approach to it. The project may be controversial (it certainly was at the start at least), but it's useful and could be increasingly so.
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Andrew, thanks so much for putting this together - it's a fantastic resource.
On opening it on my Mac, running the latest version of Excel as of November 2017, Visual Basic gives a compile error, "Can't find project or library."
Any ideas?
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Andrew, thanks so much for putting this together - it's a fantastic resource.
On opening it on my Mac, running the latest version of Excel as of November 2017, Visual Basic gives a compile error, "Can't find project or library."
Any ideas?
Thanks for the encouragement.
It would be great if someone else was able to step in on this one. Randy W. Sims did the work on the macros that generate the rules. If he was able to help that would be greatly appreciated.
If no-one steps in soon, I'll try to look into it, or at least try to publish a copy without macros, which I'm assuming would work.
Also, I'll add another request that those who appreciate this project might like to consider voting for a project that builds on this one here: https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/17871697-create-a-database-of-biblical-issues-and-stances-w
There's a longer explanation here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/133058.aspx
and here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/133058/918806.aspx#918806
Thanks again for the encouragement.
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Andrew, thanks so much for putting this together - it's a fantastic resource.
On opening it on my Mac, running the latest version of Excel as of November 2017, Visual Basic gives a compile error, "Can't find project or library."
Any ideas?
Thanks for the encouragement.
It would be great if someone else was able to step in on this one. Randy W. Sims did the work on the macros that generate the rules. If he was able to help that would be greatly appreciated.
I keep hoping VB.* will die, but every time I think it's gone... It comes back again. It's a tool of the devil. To make programmers cuss and throw stuff. How about C++, C#, Perl, or Ruby. I'd even take Python or Java over VB. Oh, well... Let's see...
Just giving a brief look, I'm guessing it's my use of the Microsoft Scripting Library (for the Dictionary/Hash) which isn't available on Mac (says Google; I don't have a Mac to test on). I'd have to find an alternative or code around it...
Does the error prevent the spreadsheet from opening? You don't actually need to run any code to use the sheet. The code is mainly for Andrew when he updates the tables. Does the error prevent you from viewing the Workbook? Can you dismiss it and continue?
Mmm, I think OLE should probably be removed from the References too. (Alt+F11 to Code Editor, Tools => References menu)
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.I keep hoping VB.* will die, but every time I think it's gone... It comes back again. It's a tool of the devil. To make programmers cuss and throw stuff. How about C++, C#, Perl, or Ruby. I'd even take Python or Java over VB. Oh, well... Let's see...
One advantage of Python is that it is free. I believe that it is open source while Java is 'owned'.
The PROBLEM is that changing languages requires a total rewrite of the code. Have Fun! [[And thanks]]
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'free' and 'owned' are independent things; both are under license (nothing isn't).
Java SE is free; the advanced enterprise versions (not relevant here) are not.
cf. https://www.aspera.com/en/blog/understanding-oracle-java-se-licensing/
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The latest edition of the spreadsheet is: 1300.Denominations and Theology - 4 November 2017 (no macros).xlsx
The reference guide is still: 0763.Theology and Denomination Tag Reference - 5 April 2016.doc
The spreadsheet excludes the VBA Project code, as suggested above. I was surprised to find that removing the code reduced it from over 13 MB to just over 2MB. At this size, it isn't worth compressing. I tried it and there was little gain, so I've added it as a spreadsheet, rather than a zip file.
There hasn't been too much work done on it since the last release, as I've been waiting to see what Logos produces. There would be no point in me duplicating their work, so it's disappointing that nothing has appeared yet.
However, I have added a lot more charismatics to the list. This is based on Craig Keener's list in "Spirit Hermeneutics: Reading Scripture in Light of Pentecost", which was released by Logos yesterday. I've kept these charismatics coded slightly differently in the spreadsheet, in case they prove controversial, but I suspect it's a highly reliable list.
I've also updated the "Theology: Charismatics" collection at https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/documents.
This should be useful for the 553 people who had downloaded its predecessor, out of the 1236 people who are members of this project.
Feedback appreciated as always. Gratitude expressed in the form of votes for a project that builds on this work would be even more appreciated: https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/17871697-create-a-database-of-biblical-issues-and-stances-w
Thanks.
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Thank you Andrew for your continued efforts to keep your work up to date. I have meticulously used it to tag all of my library which increases its usefulness. Your work is appreciated.
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The spreadsheet excludes the VBA Project code, as suggested above. I was surprised to find that removing the code reduced it from over 13 MB to just over 2MB.
I'm not sure why Excel does this. But you can re-import the code back in to the no-macro file, add reference back to Microsoft Scripting Runtime (the ref was removed when saved without macros), and save as a macro enabled file and the file will stay at a little over 2 MB. I have no idea why the file bloats like that.
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just checking in, haven't noticed any updates here in approaching a half year. any word on Logos adding this level of granularity into the software?
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