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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 22 2016 3:03 PM

Bruce Dunning:

Tommy Ball:
Do you have anything in the layout that would be using or opening your Collections?

I don't think so. But I did have an additional window open with several resources that I have since decided to close.

It takes 1m 44s to begin opening Logos (22s for me), of which about 1m is taken up caching collection rules!

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 22 2016 3:36 PM

Dave Hooton:
It takes 1m 44s to begin opening Logos (22s for me), of which about 1m is taken up caching collection rules!

I'm not sure I follow Dave. Are you saying that each time I start all of my collections cache even if I'm not using them?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 22 2016 3:55 PM

Bruce Dunning:
Are you saying that each time I start all of my collections cache even if I'm not using them?

I think so because I started deleting collections that could be created on the fly to decrease my startup time and its seemed to help.

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Collections impose a cost on the system whether you’re “using them” or not, because they're featured in resource picker drop-downs across the application. For example, in Bible Search, the application needs to know which collections contain Bibles and so should be in the list.

They are evaluated in the background at startup to make accessing them faster in the future. However, particularly if you have a HDD and not a SSD, this evaluation can cause hard drive contention that interferes with other I/O that needs to happen.

They're definitely not “free”, so if you have collections you haven't used in a while, you may be able to regain some performance by deleting them or optimising the search filter rules they use.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 22 2016 4:04 PM

MJ. Smith:
I think so because I started deleting collections that could be created on the fly to decrease my startup time and its seemed to help.

It is too bad if this is the case because I have taken a long time to develop collections over the years and most of them are not easy to create on the fly.

If this is the case I don't understand why they would have to cache each time I switch layouts and not just when Logos is first started.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 22 2016 4:07 PM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
Collections impose a cost on the system whether you’re “using them” or not, because they're featured in resource picker drop-downs across the application.

I didn't realize that it would be that significant.

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
However, particularly if you have a HDD and not a SSD, this evaluation can cause hard drive contention that interferes with other I/O that needs to happen.

I've used a SSD for years so I can only imagine how long it would take with a HDD.

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
They're definitely not “free”, so if you have collections you haven't used in a while, you may be able to regain some performance by deleting them or optimising the search filter rules they use.

Although that is disappointing I will probably do this to improve performance.

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These are your two most expensive collections, which take over 20s each to evaluate:

Author:("Alexander, Eric J.", "Alexander, Thomas", "Arnot, William", "Balfour, John Hutton", "Balfour, Robert G.", "Bannerman, James", "Barclay, William", "Barr, George K.", "Best, Ernest", "Binnie, William", "Binning, Hugh", "Black, Matthew", "Bonar, Andrew A.", "Bonar, Horatius", "Boston, Thomas", "Brown, David", "Brown, John", "Bruce, Alexander Balmain", "Bruce, John", "Buchanan, James", "Buchanan, Robert", "Calderwood, Henry", "Cameron, D. B.", "Campbell, Colin", "Campbell, Iain D.", "Candlish, James S.", "Candlish, Robert S.", "Carrick, J. C.", "Chalmers, Thomas", "Crawford, Thomas J.", "Cumming, John", "Cunningham, William", "Cunninghame, William", "Davidson, A. B.", "Davidson, Alexander D.", "Davidson, Peter", "Davidson, Robert", "Denney, James", "Dickson, David", "Dods, Marcus", "Douglas, George C. M.", "Dunlop, R. V.", "Eadie, John", "Easton, Matthew George", "Fairbairn, Patrick", "Fergusson, David", "Ferme, Charles", "Foote, James", "Forbes, John", "Fraser, James", "Galloway, Kathy", "Gillies, J. R.", "Gloag, Paton J.", "Grant, Maurice", "Guthrie, Thomas", "Hamilton, James", "Hastings, James", "Hutchison, John", "Jack, Alison", "Johnstone, Robert", "Keith, Alexander", "Kelly, Ewan", "Kistler, Don", "Knox, John", "Lang, John Marshall", "Laurie, Simon Somerville", "Law, Robert", "Lawson, George", "Leighton, Robert", "Lindsay, Thomas M.", "Lindsay, William", "Lyall, David", "M’Crie, Thomas", "MacDonald, Donald", "MacDougall, John", "MacKay, John L.", "Mackintosh, H. R.", "MacKnight, James", "MacLeod, Donald", "MacPherson, John", "Marriage, Sophia", "Martin, Hugh", "May, Alistair S.", "McCheyne, Robert Murray", "McKane, William", "Moffatt, James", "Nicoll, W. Robertson", "Orr, James", "Patterson, Alexander S.", "Paul, William", "Philip, William", "Provan, Iain W.", "Pulsford, John", "Raleigh, Alexander", "Re’emi, S. Paul", "Riggans, Walter", "Robertson, A. Irvine", "Robertson, David A", "Rutherford, Samuel", "Salmond, Stewart D. F.", "Skinner, John", "Smeaton, George", "Smith, George Adam", "Smith, William Robertson", "St. George’s Free Church", "Stalker, James", "Stuart, A. Moody", "Symington, William", "Taylor, William M.", "Thomson, Andrew (Broughton)", "Thomson, James", "Thomson, W. R.", "Torrance, David W.", "Torrance, Thomas F.", "Wells, James", "Whitelaw, Thomas", "Whyte, Alexander", "Wilson, Alistair", "Wylie, J. A.")

Author:("Abbott, Edwin A.", "Abbott, T. K.", "Abbott-Smith, G.", "Ackroyd, Peter R.", "Adam, Thomas", "Adams, H. C.", "Adams, Thomas", "Ainger, Thomas", "Ainsworth-Smith, Ian", "Airay, Henry", "Alexander, William Henry", "Alford, Henry", "Allain-Chapman, Justine", "Allen, Willoughby C.", "Allnutt, Richard Lea", "Andersen, Francis I.", "Anderson, Robert", "Andrewes, Lancelot", "Arnold, Thomas", "Ash, Christopher", "Ashby, Godfrey", "Askwith, E. H.", "Atherstone, Andrew", "Atkinson, David John", "Avis, Paul", "Backhouse, J. H.", "Bagdon, J. O.", "Bagot, Daniel", "Baldwin, Joyce", "Ball, C. J.", "Balleine, G. R.", "Bandinel, James", "Barclay, John", "Barnes, William Emery", "Barnett, Paul", "Barry, Alfred", "Bartholomew, Craig G.", "Bartlett, John R.", "Barton, George Aaron", "Barton, John", "Bassett, Francis Tilney", "Batten, Loring W.", "Bauckham, Richard J.", "Baxter, Richard", "Bayley, Emilius", "Bayne, Paul", "Beckwith, Roger", "Bedell, G. T.", "Begbie, Jeremy S.", "Benham, William", "Bennett, Dennis", "Benson, Edward White", "Berkeley, George", "Bernard, J. H.", "Bernard, Thomas Dehany", "Bigg, Charles", "Binns, L. Elliott", "Birks, Thomas Rawson", "Black, Ian", "Blenkin, G. W.", "Bloomfield, S. T.", "Blunt, Henry", "Blunt, John Henry", "Booty, John", "Borg, Marcus J.", "Borsch, Frederick H.", "Bost, A.", "Bouchier, Barton", "Boutflower, Charles", "Bowen, W. E.", "Box, G. H.", "Boxall, Ian", "Boyce, Edward Jacob", "Bradford, John", "Bradley, George Granville", "Bradshaw, Paul F.", "Bramhall, John", "Bray, Gerald", "Brenton, Lancelot Charles Lee", "Bridges, Charles", "Briggs, Charles Augustus", "Briggs, Emilie Grace", "Brightman, F. E.", "Bromiley, Geoffrey William", "Brown, Colin", "Browne, E. Harold", "Bubbers, Susan I.", "Bull, George", "Bullinger, Ethelbert W.", "Bullock, W. T.", "Burgon, John W.", "Burney, C. F.", "Burnside, W. F.", "Burridge, Richard A.", "Burrows, H. W.", "Burton, R. T.", "Bush, Joseph", "Bussell, F. W.", "Butler, Joseph", "Carey, Carteret Priaulx", "Carmichael, Liz", "Carpenter, Spencer Cecil", "Carr, Arthur", "Carr, Wesley", "Cartwright, Thomas", "Carwithen, John Bayley Somers", "Chadwick, G. A.", "Chadwick, Owen", "Challis, James", "Chandler, George", "Chapman, Mark", "Charles, R. H.", "Chase, Frederic Henry", "Cherry, Stephen", "Cheyne, Thomas Kelly", "Childe, C. F.", "Chilton, Bruce", "Church of England", "Church Service Society", "Churton, W. R.", "Clark, Samuel", "Clark, William", "Clarke, W. K. Lowther", "Close, Francis", "Cobb, John", "Cocksworth, Christopher John", "Coggins, Richard J.", "Cole, R. Alan", "Coleman, John Noble", "Colenso, John William", "Collinson, John", "Colquhoun, Frank", "Comfort, Philip W.", "Conybeare, W. D.", "Conybeare, W. J.", "Cook, F. C.", "Cooke, G. A.", "Cornes, Andrew", "Cosin, John", "Cotton, Robert", "Coverdale, Myles", "Cowper, William", "Craigie, Peter C.", "Cranmer, Thomas", "Croft, George", "Cruttwell, Charles Thomas", "Cullen, John", "Cureton, William", "Currey, G.", "Curteis, George Herbert", "Daubney, William Heaford", "Daubuz, Charles", "Davenant, John", "Davids, Peter H.", "Davies, James", "Davis, Ellen F.", "Deane, William J.", "Dearmer, Percy", "Deering, Edward", "Dell, William", "Denton, W.", "Desprez, P. S.", "Dewey, Joanna", "Diamond, A. R.", "Dickinson, Hercules H.", "Dimock, H.", "Dix, Gregory", "Donne, John", "Downing, Henry", "Drake, William", "Drane, John", "Driver, Samuel Rolles", "Drown, Edward S.", "Drummond, D. T. K.", "DuBose, William Porcher", "Duncombe, Augustus", "Durrant, Henry Bickersteth", "Duyckinck, George L.", "Eastburn, Manton", "Edalji, S.", "Edersheim, Alfred", "Edgar, David", "Edghill, Ernest Arthur", "Edmunds, John", "Edwards, Ruth", "Ellicott, Charles J.", "Elliott, C. J.", "Elliott, E. B.", "Elliott, Neil", "Elsley, Heneage", "Elton, Edward", "Emmet, Cyril W.", "Espin, T. E.", "Evans, Neil", "Eveleigh, John", "Faber, George Stanley", "Fape, M. Olusina", "Farrar, Frederic William", "Farrer, John", "Farwell, James", "Fausset, A. R.", "Fawcett, John", "Fenwick, John", "Field, Frederick", "Field, John Edward", "Finch, William", "Floyd, Michael", "Foley, George Cadwalader", "Ford, James", "Forster, Charles", "Forster, John", "Foxe, John", "France, R. T.", "Fremantle, W. H.", "French, William", "Fry, John", "Fulford, H. W.", "Fuller, J. M.", "Gandell, R.", "Garbett, James", "Gardiner, Frederic", "Garratt, Samuel", "Garrod, G. W.", "Gifford, E. H.", "Gilpin, William", "Girdlestone, Robert Baker", "Gisborne, James", "Glazebrook, M. G.", "Goddard, Charles", "Goldingay, John", "Gooder, Paula", "Goodwin, Harvey", "Gordon, Geoffrey", "Gore, Charles", "Gouge, William", "Goulburn, Edward Meyrick", "Gould, Ezra P.", "Govett, Robert", "Gowen, H. H.", "Grant, Anthony", "Grant, F. W.", "Grant, Frederick C.", "Grau, Marion", "Greaves, R. W.", "Green, Michael P.", "Gregg, J. A. F.", "Griffiths, J. S.", "Griffiths, Steve", "Gwynn, J.", "Gwynne, George John", "Hacking, Philip", "Halcombe, J. J.", "Hall, Charles Henry", "Hall, Francis J.", "Hannan, E. C. W.", "Hardy, Daniel", "Hardy, Nathanael", "Harpur, George", "Harrison, R. K.", "Harvey, John E.", "Hatch, Edwin", "Hawker, Robert", "Hawkins, John C.", "Hawkins, William", "Headlam, Arthur C.", "Heath, D. I.", "Heber, Reginald", "Hein, David", "Henson, H. Hensley", "Her Majesty’s Printing Office,", "Herbert, George", "Hervey, A. C.", "Heurtley, Charles A.", "Hewson, William", "Hillard, A. E.", "Hoare, J. Gurney", "Hobhouse, Walter", "Hodges, George", "Hodson, James", "Holland, Henry Scott", "Holland, Hezekiah", "Holmes, Christopher R. J.", "Holmes, Robert", "Hooker, Richard", "Hooper, William", "Hopkins, Ezekiel", "Horne, George", "Horne, Thomas", "Horsley, Samuel", "Hort, Fenton John Anthony", "Houghton, W.", "Howson, John S.", "Hughes, Philip Edgcumbe", "Hughes-Games, A.", "Hunt, Alfred Leedes", "Hutton, William Holden", "Huxtable, E.", "Inge, William Ralph", "Jackson, Blomfield", "Jacobson, William", "Jacox, Francis", "James, Montague Rhodes", "Jebb, John", "Jelf, Richard William", "Jelf, William Edward", "Jenkyn, William", "Jennings, A. C.", "Jervis, L. Ann", "Jewel, John", "Johnson, G. H. S.", "Jones, James", "Jones, John", "Jones, Maurice", "Jones, Spencer", "Jones, W. B.", "Jowett, Benjamin", "Jukes, Andrew", "Kay, W.", "Keble, John", "Kellner, Maximilian Lindsay", "Kelly, Brian E.", "Kelly, Francis", "Kelly, J. N. D.", "Kelly, James", "Ken, Thomas", "Kennett, Robert H.", "Ketley, Joseph", "Kidner, Derek", "King’s Chapel,", "Kingsbury, T. L.", "Knight, Jonathan", "Knowles, Andrew", "Knowling, R. J.", "Knox, E. M.", "Knox, Ian S.", "Kruse, Colin G.", "Kuhrt, Stephen", "Lake, Kirsopp", "Lamdin, Keith", "Lanchester, H. C. O.", "Landon, Edward H.", "Lang, Cosmo Gordon", "Latimer, Hugh", "Laud, William", "Laurence, Richard", "Law, Henry", "Law, William", "Lawlor, H. J.", "Le Mesurier, Thomas", "Lee, Frederick George", "Lee, Samuel", "Lee, William", "Lewis, John G.", "Lias, J. J.", "Liddell, Robert", "Liddon, Henry Parry", "Lightfoot, John", "Lightfoot, Joseph Barber", "Linton, Henry", "Littledale, Richard Frederick", "Lloyd, John", "Lock, Walter", "Lowe, W. H.", "Lowth, Robert", "Lucas, Dick", "Lucas, R. C.", "Lumby, J. Rawson", "Lupton, J. H.", "M’Ghee, Robert J.", "MacDermott, G. M.", "MacIntosh, A. A.", "Maclear, G. F.", "Macquarrie, John", "Maiers, Brian", "Maitland, S. R.", "Mangina, Joseph L.", "Mansel, H. L.", "Margoliouth, Moses", "Marriott, Charles", "Marston, Charles Dallas", "Mason, Arthur James", "Mason, W. T.", "Masterman, J. H. B.", "Maturin, B. W.", "Maurice, Frederick Denison", "Mayor, Joseph B.", "Mbiti, John", "McCaul, Alexander", "McDurmon, Joel", "McGrath, Alister", "McNeile, A. H.", "Medd, Peter Goldsmith", "Members of the University of Oxford", "Meyrick, F.", "Michell, R.", "Miller, Charles", "Millington, Thomas S.", "Moberly, George", "Moberly, R. C.", "Monro, Edward A.", "Montgomery, James A.", "Morgan, Aaron Augustus", "Morres, Robert", "Morris, Leon", "Motyer, J. Alec", "Moulaison, Jane Barter", "Moule, C. F. D.", "Moule, H. C. G.", "Moysey, C. A.", "Mozley, J. K.", "Mozley, James Bowling", "Muffet, Peter", "Munden, Alan", "Murray, J. O. F.", "Neale, John Mason", "Neil, C.", "Neve, Timothy", "Newcome, William", "Newitt, Mark", "Newland, Henry", "Newton, John", "Nicholls, Benjamin Elliott", "Nolland, John", "Norris, John Pilkington", "O’Brien, Peter T.", "O’Connor, Kathleen M.", "O’Conor, W. A.", "O’Donnell, Kevin", "Oakley, Nigel W.", "Oesterley, W. O. E.", "Ogilvie, Charles A.", "Olden, Thomas", "Owen, Henry", "Packer, J. I.", "Paley, William", "Palmer, William", "Park, J. R.", "Patrick, Simon", "Pearson, Chr. Ridley", "Pearson, John", "Peile, James H. F.", "Peile, Thomas Williamson", "Percy, Martyn", "Perowne, J. J. Stewart", "Pervo, Richard I.", "Peterson, David G.", "Pinder, John H.", "Plummer, Alfred A.", "Plumptre, E. H.", "Plumptre, Henry Scawen", "Polkinghorne, John", "Powys, David J.", "Price, Aubrey Charles", "Prideaux, Humphrey", "Procter, John", "Protestant Episcopal Church", "Pullan, Leighton", "Pusey, E. B.", "Quarry, John", "Radner, Ephraim", "Ramsey, Michael", "Randolph, Berkeley William", "Raven, Charles E.", "Rawlinson, George", "Redpath, Henry A.", "Reformed Episcopal Church", "Rendall, Frederic", "Rendall, Gerald H.", "Retief, Frank", "Reynolds, Edward", "Richey, Thomas", "Ridley, Nicholas", "Ritchie, Arthur", "Robertson, C. K.", "Robertson, F. W.", "Robinson, A. W.", "Robinson, Gnana", "Robinson, J. Armitage", "Rogers, George Albert", "Romaine, W.", "Rose, H. J.", "Rosner, Brian S.", "Ross, Allen", "Rossetti, Christina", "Row, Charles Adolphus", "Rowlandson, W. H.", "Rowley, Adam Clarke", "Rowling, Cathy", "Rushbrooke, W. G.", "Ryle, Herbert Edward", "Ryle, J. C.", "Sadler, M. F.", "Salmon, George", "Salmon, Marilyn J.", "Sanday, William", "Sanford, John", "Scott, Melville", "Scott, Robert", "Scratton, George", "Seitz, Christopher R.", "Selwyn, Edward Carus", "Selwyn, Edward Gordon", "Shanks, Andrew", "Shepard, Richard", "Shirley, Walter Augustus", "Short, Augustus", "Shute, Josias", "Sibbes, Richard", "Simcox, William Henry", "Simeon, Charles", "Simon, Patrick", "Skrine, John Huntley", "Smith, Herbert Maynard", "Smith, R. Payne", "Smith, Susan Marie", "Smith, Sydney", "Speck, Peter", "Spence, H. D. M.", "Spranger, R. J.", "Srawley, J. H.", "Stainer, John", "Stanley, Arthur Penrhyn", "Steenstra, P. H.", "Stevens, William Bacon", "Stevenson, John", "Stock, Eugene", "Stock, John", "Stock, Joseph", "Stock, Richard", "Stonard, John", "Stone, Darwell", "Stott, John", "Stowell, Hugh", "Streane, A. W.", "Strong, Leonard", "Strong, Thomas B.", "Sumner, George", "Sumner, John Bird", "Swain, Storm", "Swete, Henry Barclay", "Sykes, Stephen", "Tait, Arthur J.", "Tatham, Edward", "Taylor, Charles", "Taylor, Jeremy", "Taylor, John B.", "Tellini, Gian", "Temple, Frederick", "Temple, William", "Terrot, C. H.", "Terry, Justyn", "The Church of England,", "The Episcopal Church", "The Protestant Episcopal Church,", "Thiselton, Anthony C.", "Thomas, Griffith", "Thorndike, Herbert", "Thrall, Margaret E.", "Threlfall-Holmes, Miranda", "Thrupp, Joseph Francis", "Tickle, Phyllis", "Tinker, Melvin", "Tisdall, William St. Clair", "Titley, Robert", "Todd, James F.", "Toller, T. N.", "Tomlin, Graham", "Toplady, Augustus M.", "Torr, Stephen C.", "Towner, Philip H.", "Travis, Stephen", "Trench, Richard Chenevix", "Trollope, W.", "Turner, Samuel H.", "Tyng, Stephen H.", "Ulrich, Dean R.", "Underhill, Evelyn", "Ussher, James", "Vaughan, Charles John", "Venables, Edmund", "Venn, John", "Vibert, Simon", "Vincent, John Heyl", "Vogan, Thomas S. L.", "Wace, Henry", "Wagner, George", "Waite, Joseph", "Waldengrave, Samuel", "Walker, Paul", "Walker, Thomas", "Walton, Kevin", "Walton, Steve", "Waple, Edward", "Ward, Bernard", "Ward, Robin", "Water, Mark", "Watkins, Henry Williams", "Webb, Barry G.", "Webber, Robert", "Wells, Jo Bailey", "Wells, Samuel", "Wenham, David", "Wenham, Gordon J.", "Wesley, Charles", "Wesley, John", "Westcott, Brooke Foss", "Westoby, Amos", "Weston, Frank", "Whately, Richard", "Wheaton, N. S.", "Whitacre, Rodney A.", "Whitefield, George", "Whybray, R. N.", "Wickham, E. C.", "Wilberforce, Samuel", "Wilberforce, William", "Wilcock, Michael", "Wilcox, Pete", "Willet, Andrew", "Williams, A. Lukyn", "Williams, David J.", "Williams, Isaac", "Williams, John", "Williamson, James", "Wilson, Daniel", "Wilson, Henry Bristow", "Winterbotham, Rayner", "Wintle, Thomas", "Wood, William Spicer", "Woodgate, Henry Arthur", "Woodhouse, John", "Woodward, James", "Wordsworth, John", "Wright, Arthur", "Wright, Charles Henry Hamilton", "Wright, Christopher J. H.", "Wright, J. Robert", "Wright, N. T.", "Wright, Thomas", "Yates, Timothy", "Yee, Gale A.", "Zahl, Paul F. M.") OR Publisher:("SPCK") OR Abbrev:("CPC")

Try deleting maybe just those two and seeing if that helps things? You should be able to recreate them easily by pasting in the rules from this post.

(Additionally, the collection filter system was not built anticipating large collection rules like this. I think there are ways we can improve the performance of collections like this and I am creating a case for that.)

Bruce Dunning:

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
However, particularly if you have a HDD and not a SSD, this evaluation can cause hard drive contention that interferes with other I/O that needs to happen.

I've used a SSD for years so I can only imagine how long it would take with a HDD.

I only mentioned HDD because I saw some delays logged that I wouldn't expect on an SSD Sad What brand/model do you have and how old is it?

Also, how big is this file: C:\Users\bdunning\AppData\Local\Logos5\Documents\lyvikjbt.35g\LayoutManager\layouts.db

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 22 2016 8:34 PM

Bruce Dunning:
It is too bad if this is the case because I have taken a long time to develop collections over the years and most of them are not easy to create on the fly.

Same here.  Terrible news.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 22 2016 8:50 PM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

Try deleting maybe just those two and seeing if that helps things? You should be able to recreate them easily by pasting in the rules from this post.

(Additionally, the collection filter system was not built anticipating large collection rules like this. I think there are ways we can improve the performance of collections like this and I am creating a case for that.)

Well Bradley, I spent several hours going through all my collections and culling out a massive amount of them. I also deleted the two collections which were Scottish Presbyterian and Anglican authors. Then I shut down Logos and restarted it. But, I'm sad to report that it took 5 minutes and 10 seconds to boot it up. Quite disappointing to say the least.

The collections that I've been using have been as a result of the Faithlife Group on denominational collections which I shared. I'm not sure what to do now.

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
I only mentioned HDD because I saw some delays logged that I wouldn't expect on an SSD Sad What brand/model do you have and how old is it?

My SSD is just over a year old and is a Samsung 840 EVO 500GB.

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
Also, how big is this file: C:\Users\bdunning\AppData\Local\Logos5\Documents\lyvikjbt.35g\LayoutManager\layouts.db

It is 230 MB.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 22 2016 9:09 PM

Bruce Dunning:
But, I'm sad to report that it took 5 minutes and 10 seconds to boot it up. Quite disappointing to say the least.

Okay, I decided to restart my computer and try it again to have a fresh start since there may have been other things running in the background. This time it took 2 minutes and 55 seconds which is better but not great. I should also mention that I really simplified my layout. I only had 13 resources open on one main window. I really think this should be better than close to 3 minutes. Do you agree?

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Bruce Dunning:
I really think this should be better than close to 3 minutes. Do you agree?

I do.

At the moment, we're still mostly guessing at the cause of the performance issue. Without a detailed performance trace from your computer, we won't really know what's causing the slowdown. 

I'll ask the desktop team to get in contact with you to help track this down.

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Gary Mendenhall | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 23 2016 4:10 AM

Hi Bruce,

In view of Bradley's last post, regarding referral to the desk top team, it would be great if you could keep us all informed on this thread of any resolution to your problem.

Thanks and blessings,

Gary

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 23 2016 5:15 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

(Additionally, the collection filter system was not built anticipating large collection rules like this. I think there are ways we can improve the performance of collections like this and I am creating a case for that.)

Wouldn't it be better to eliminate the need for such large collections rules based on theological/denominational categories, by having FL tag the resources for us?

Since the collection cache is rebuilt each time the application is launched, it would be far more efficient if these types of filter collection rules could be reduced to a single criteria to match a specific theology or denomination.

The Logos Library Theology/Denomination Tags group has over 1300 followers. I imagine there have been suggestions over the years for FL to implement that type of tagging for us!

Perhaps the collection cache could only be rebuilt when out-of-date (such as when the library was updated/indexed), instead of every time the application launches?

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 23 2016 5:42 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
I'll ask the desktop team to get in contact with you to help track this down.

Thanks!

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 23 2016 5:43 AM

Gary Mendenhall:
In view of Bradley's last post, regarding referral to the desk top team, it would be great if you could keep us all informed on this thread of any resolution to your problem.

I will do Gary. I hope we can all learn from it.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 23 2016 5:48 AM

PetahChristian:

Wouldn't it be better to eliminate the need for such large collections rules based on theological/denominational categories, by having FL tag the resources for us?

Since the collection cache is rebuilt each time the application is launched, it would be far more efficient if these types of filter collection rules could be reduced to a single criteria to match a specific theology or denomination.

The Logos Library Theology/Denomination Tags group has over 1300 followers. I imagine there have been suggestions over the years for FL to implement that type of tagging for us!

This has been suggested before but perhaps there is more reason to do so now, if indeed collections are responsible. But it makes me wonder...if there are 1300 others using these collection rules why would more people not be experiencing the same slowdowns I have experienced? If anyone else has these collections could you let us know whether you have experienced any performance issues as a result?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 23 2016 6:00 AM

Bruce Dunning:
Okay, now I'm jealous. I just tried my two most popular layouts. The most complex one still took 2 1/2 minutes and the other one took 1 1/2 minute.

If you upload logs, we'll be able to see a little of where the delay is coming from. If you've got an i5 and an SSD, anything over 30 seconds would point to either an error, or a VERY inefficient visual filter IMO.

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PetahChristian:

Wouldn't it be better to eliminate the need for such large collections rules based on theological/denominational categories, by having FL tag the resources for us?

Since the collection cache is rebuilt each time the application is launched, it would be far more efficient if these types of filter collection rules could be reduced to a single criteria to match a specific theology or denomination.

In the meantime, you can tag the resources yourself.

Paste the rule into the Library filter box, select all the resources, and apply a tag to all of them. Then change your collection rule to just look for that tag.

(You'd have to redo this after every new purchase of resources that might be included in these rules.)

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 23 2016 6:08 AM

Mark Barnes:
If you upload logs, we'll be able to see a little of where the delay is coming from. If you've got an i5 and an SSD, anything over 30 seconds would point to either an error, or a VERY inefficient visual filter IMO.

I uploaded logs last night which is shown on page one of this thread but here is a copy for convenience - 5074.Logos.log

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 23 2016 6:09 AM

PetahChristian:
Perhaps the collection cache could only be rebuilt when out-of-date (such as when the library was updated/indexed), instead of every time the application launches?

Metadata often gets updated on application launch, which would invalidate the collection cache.

However, the collection cache doesn't wait for metadata (inc. community metadata) to finish updating before it begins. That means you can end up with the collection cache being updated two or three times, as it's constantly being invalidated by the new metadata.

Fixing that wouldn't make a huge difference, but it would help on some occasions, I think. For example, in the log below, the collection cache is updated three times on startup (taking 13.26s, 11.74s and 11.62s on each occasion). The second one is begun right in the middle of a bunch of community metadata updates, which seems particularly wasteful.

6648.Logos.log

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