There was a fairly recent discussion on the forums about someone having a different text in their print edition in comparison to their logos version and it was highlighted in that edition Logos does release updates to the text of ESV without a separate resource being created that we have to purchase.
Making an assumptio, that is of course not binding on FL, I expect these edits will flow through to our copies of ESV at some point.
The ESV® Permanent Text Edition® (2016) just downloaded for me as an update.
Genesis 3:16 To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you.”
The ESV® Permanent Text Edition® (2016) just downloaded for me as an update.
Genesis 3:16To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you.”
My ESV updated as well (but it still says the text is the 2011 version on the information panel). The update also messed up the alignment of all the visual filters (Corresponding Words, Addressee labels, etc).
I really feel for the people who have been disturbed by some of the changes in the ESV. I checked Gen 3:16 also and it has indeed been "updated". Such changes over the years to modern Bibles have left me with little or no faith in them or the scholars that advocate for them. For many years I looked down on the King James Bible for its anachronisms, but for all that, today I trust it more than the collection of other Bibles I have in my Logos library. People may disagree with me and I mean no disrespect to anyone.
All this shows the importance of prioritizing our Bibles in our Logos 7 to accord with how we approach the authority of our preferred Bibles - as all Bibles are not equal nor will they ever be. Keep well Paul
The old tried and true KJV is still the King. Pardon the pun.. corrections made to it (IMO) are badly misguided .. these so called updates have added nothing ever to the message which my soul received by and through the 'OL KJV.. I do read others but always find them inferior in quality of content and style.. I reiterate: I do read other versions but not with the view in mind of correcting the KJV.. No argument has ever proven to me the necessity to have to correct the King's Bible... They all seem to me to be arguments of emotion rather than substance.. Usually the complaint is that it is too hard to understand or read because the language is so archaic.. rarely is it ever pointed out to anyone that a beginning Bible reader needs to study any version anyway, so why not the king's English also.. The KJV says so many things soo much more accurately.. The modern English language simply lacks the verbal tools to equal the accuracy inherent in the King's English.. Why is it that new Christians are discouraged from learning the beauty and accuracy of a language which has never been equaled nor surpassed in the worlds of literature anywhere in the world or in any other language.. Though I am not KJV Only, I am most definitely KJV First.. it has never let me down.. yet the so called scholars of other versions have always done so inevitably..
The old tried and true KJV is still the King. Pardon the pun.. corrections made to it (IMO) are badly misguided .. these so called updates have added nothing ever to the message which my soul received by and through the 'OL KJV.. I do read others but always find them inferior in quality of content and style.. I reiterate: I do read other versions but not with the view in mind of correcting the KJV.. No argument has ever proven to me the necessity to have to correct the King's Bible... They all seem to me to be arguments of emotion rather than substance.. Usually the complaint is that it is too hard to understand or read because the language is so archaic.. rarely is it ever pointed out to anyone that a beginning Bible reader needs to study any version anyway, so why not the king's English also.. The KJV says so many things soo much more accurately.. The modern English language simply lacks the verbal tools to equal the accuracy inherent in the King's English.. Why is it that new Christians are discouraged from learning the beauty and accuracy of a language which has never been equaled nor surpassed in the worlds of literature anywhere in the world or in any other language.. Though I am not KJV Only, I am most definitely KJV First.. it has never let me down.. yet the so called scholars of other versions have always done so inevitably..
There is much wisdom in what you have said Rev Dr Ortega.
I don't want to be a party-pooper, but this thread is heading towards violating the Forum Guidelines (see points 1 & 2 here). Once we start debating the rights and wrongs of the KJV we get onto very emotive territory, and will be generating a lot more heat than light. I have some very strong views on both the KJV and the latest ESV changes , but they should be aired on christiandiscourse.com or in Faithlife groups, not here (and I don't get into online debates anyway - I prefer the face-to-face sort).
I'd respectfully ask those who want to debate these issues or air their views on what they perceive as the "real" Bible to do so in the appropriate place, and leave this thread so that we can find out what Faithlife is actually doing about the current ESV débâcle.
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I don't work for FL, but I can confirm that FL, per licensing agreements, has kept the ESV "up to date." This DOES mean that the copy you have in Logos may not fully match your print edition.
Some translators / publishers release small updates and consider it "the same translation." Other times, they release a "new" translation. The NIV84/NIV11 would be an example of the latter. The ESV, up to this point, would be the former.
I was under the impression that textual edits were already being incorporated into the ESV.
(bonus if you get the reference)
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Would someone from FL confirm this assertion?
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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There was a fairly recent discussion on the forums about someone having a different text in their print edition in comparison to their logos version and it was highlighted in that edition Logos does release updates to the text of ESV without a separate resource being created that we have to purchase.
Making an assumptio, that is of course not binding on FL, I expect these edits will flow through to our copies of ESV at some point.
In my Library the last update to the ESV was Feb 18 2015, so I doubt it contains any updates from the Permanent Text Editionb 2016.
That thread was exactly where I got my impression. I just don't know how to find a link to it.
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
This is the thread Doc B: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/127869.aspx
The Logos version of the ESV is not the Permanent Text Edition 2016. The current version of the ESV in Logos is the 2011 text edition.
The ESV® Permanent Text Edition® (2016) just downloaded for me as an update.
Genesis 3:16 To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you.”
My ESV updated as well (but it still says the text is the 2011 version on the information panel). The update also messed up the alignment of all the visual filters (Corresponding Words, Addressee labels, etc).
I really feel for the people who have been disturbed by some of the changes in the ESV. I checked Gen 3:16 also and it has indeed been "updated". Such changes over the years to modern Bibles have left me with little or no faith in them or the scholars that advocate for them. For many years I looked down on the King James Bible for its anachronisms, but for all that, today I trust it more than the collection of other Bibles I have in my Logos library. People may disagree with me and I mean no disrespect to anyone.
All this shows the importance of prioritizing our Bibles in our Logos 7 to accord with how we approach the authority of our preferred Bibles - as all Bibles are not equal nor will they ever be. Keep well Paul
The old tried and true KJV is still the King. Pardon the pun.. corrections made to it (IMO) are badly misguided .. these so called updates have added nothing ever to the message which my soul received by and through the 'OL KJV.. I do read others but always find them inferior in quality of content and style.. I reiterate: I do read other versions but not with the view in mind of correcting the KJV.. No argument has ever proven to me the necessity to have to correct the King's Bible... They all seem to me to be arguments of emotion rather than substance.. Usually the complaint is that it is too hard to understand or read because the language is so archaic.. rarely is it ever pointed out to anyone that a beginning Bible reader needs to study any version anyway, so why not the king's English also.. The KJV says so many things soo much more accurately.. The modern English language simply lacks the verbal tools to equal the accuracy inherent in the King's English.. Why is it that new Christians are discouraged from learning the beauty and accuracy of a language which has never been equaled nor surpassed in the worlds of literature anywhere in the world or in any other language.. Though I am not KJV Only, I am most definitely KJV First.. it has never let me down.. yet the so called scholars of other versions have always done so inevitably..
There is much wisdom in what you have said Rev Dr Ortega.
I don't want to be a party-pooper, but this thread is heading towards violating the Forum Guidelines (see points 1 & 2 here). Once we start debating the rights and wrongs of the KJV we get onto very emotive territory, and will be generating a lot more heat than light. I have some very strong views on both the KJV and the latest ESV changes , but they should be aired on christiandiscourse.com or in Faithlife groups, not here (and I don't get into online debates anyway - I prefer the face-to-face sort).
I'd respectfully ask those who want to debate these issues or air their views on what they perceive as the "real" Bible to do so in the appropriate place, and leave this thread so that we can find out what Faithlife is actually doing about the current ESV débâcle.
Running Logos 6 Platinum and Logos Now on Surface Pro 4, 8 GB RAM, 256GB SSD, i5
I don't work for FL, but I can confirm that FL, per licensing agreements, has kept the ESV "up to date." This DOES mean that the copy you have in Logos may not fully match your print edition.
Some translators / publishers release small updates and consider it "the same translation." Other times, they release a "new" translation. The NIV84/NIV11 would be an example of the latter. The ESV, up to this point, would be the former.
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