The Bicentennial Edition of The Works of John Wesley

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Dec 10 2018 8:07 PM

The Bicentennial Edition of The Works of John Wesley is the only scholarly edition of Wesley's Works done in more than a century.  It is the work of the best Wesley Scholars in the world today, maybe any time.  We really need this in Logos.  Please consider making this available.  Abingdon is the publisher.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 10 2018 8:40 PM

Michael Childs:

The Bicentennial Edition of The Works of John Wesley is the only scholarly edition of Wesley's Works done in more than a century.  It is the work of the best Wesley Scholars in the world today, maybe any time.  We really need this in Logos.  Please consider making this available.  Abingdon is the publisher.

https://www.amazon.com/Works-John-Wesley-Bicentennial-CD-ROM/dp/0687053218 

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/117142.aspx Oct. 2015

This is still something Faith Life needs to offer Big Smile

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Jordan Litchfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 10 2018 9:10 PM

I agree. This would be great to have. Please consider, FL!

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James Chin | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 3 2019 7:52 PM

I agree

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Rob Bruce | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 4 2019 2:25 AM

Yes! Please!

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Aaron Hayworth | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2020 9:39 AM

I agree and have sent some emails on this resource. 

Has anyone ever got a response either from Abingdon or from Logos on a conversation about making this happen? 

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Brian Coplin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 14 2020 5:38 AM

The absence of Abingdon's Works in Logos is the gap in my sermon and studies workflow.

After checking in for progress over the past few years, I'd really like some hope that we might get a volume or two over the next few years!

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 26 2020 8:45 AM

The addition of The Bicentennial Edition of the Works of John Wesley would certainly move me to upgrade my Logos package!

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Aaron Hayworth | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 27 2020 1:42 PM

Agreed. I own most volumes physically and would preorder them in a heartbeat in Logos form. I am a United Methodist and have bought Anglican packages because I find the books more appealing than the Methodist bundles. 

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Aaron Hayworth | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 8 2020 11:40 AM

Hi there, I wonder if we could ever get someone from Faithlife or Logos to give us a comment or feedback on this request? This has to be the single most important unavailable item to clergy and laypeople in the Wesleyan tradition.

I would like to know if Faithlife has ever been in discussion with Abingdon? Did arrangements never make it off the ground? Is Faithlife not incentivized to acquire the Abingdon editions because they are able to sell versions of the old Jackson works at almost no expense? Is there just not enough demand on this platform?

The tagging that was used for the Jackson material is almost directly applicable to the Bicentennial editions, so it would be a lower cost proposition to get the tags in most volumes. 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 8 2020 12:08 PM

Aaron Hayworth:
This has to be the single most important unavailable item to clergy and laypeople in the Wesleyan tradition.

I put in a request to https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-book-requests/posts/bicentennial-edition-of-wesley-s-works so we can vote for it. Faithlife now uses votes on this site to gauge customer interest.

Aaron Hayworth:
I would like to know if Faithlife has ever been in discussion with Abingdon? Did arrangements never make it off the ground?

Abingdon seems to be a difficult publisher to work with when it comes to Logos Research editions. They only allowed NIB and NIBD to be sold as Logos editions, all other works from this publisher will be found as eBooks. 

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Aaron Hayworth | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2020 7:02 AM

I think there have been several requests put in to vote for the Bicentennial Works and I've voted for all of them!

Also, I agree that Abingdon doesn't see to have a big plan for digital editions, as the works aren't available on Kindle either. I'd just love to hear from someone on Faithlife to hear if they've ever got the conversation going. 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2020 7:31 AM

Aaron Hayworth:
I think there have been several requests put in to vote for the Bicentennial Works and I've voted for all of them!

Searching either on "Wesley" or on "Bicentennial", I only find one book request on the feedback.faithlife site. Also the duplicate test didn't come up with something yesterday. Can you share a link? Faithlife employees are able to combine the requests.

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Aaron Hayworth | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2020 7:47 AM

This is the biggest one: https://suggestbooks.uservoice.com/forums/308269-book-suggestions/suggestions/30977941-the-bicentennial-edtion-of-wesley-s-works-only-t

My mistake, I thought there had been another one that I created a while back, but I didn't realize there was a different site for suggestions now. Hopefully this will gain some traction with Logos users and encourage the team to reach out to Abingdon. 

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 2:53 PM

I am still asking, praying, and hoping this scholarly edition of Wesley's Works will be added to Logos Bible Software.  I do wish Faith Life could give us some updates on any possible progress.  

Is it just a matter of not enough Wesleyan pastors and people use Faithlife to make it worthwhile to sell it?  I really think this would motivate many Wesleyans to use Logos Bible Software.  Such an edition of Wesley's Works is not available from any of the competition.  I think adding this to the Logos catalog would make it instantly the Bible software of choice for seminaries such as Asbury Theological and perhaps even the official UM seminaries.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 4:51 PM

Mike Childs:
Such an edition of Wesley's Works is not available from any of the competition.

This suggests that there may be an issue at the rightsholders' end of things.

At any rate, a new feedback.faithlife.com suggestion to replace the UserVoice one presumably wouldn't hurt.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 5:12 PM

SineNomine:
At any rate, a new feedback.faithlife.com suggestion to replace the UserVoice one presumably wouldn't hurt.

I wrote earlier in this thread:

NB.Mick:
I put in a request to https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-book-requests/posts/bicentennial-edition-of-wesley-s-works so we can vote for it. Faithlife now uses votes on this site to gauge customer interest.

You and anyone else wanting to support this (including Mike Childs) is encouraged to vote for it.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 5:18 PM

NB.Mick:

SineNomine:
At any rate, a new feedback.faithlife.com suggestion to replace the UserVoice one presumably wouldn't hurt.

I wrote earlier in this thread:

NB.Mick:
I put in a request to https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-book-requests/posts/bicentennial-edition-of-wesley-s-works so we can vote for it. Faithlife now uses votes on this site to gauge customer interest.

You and anyone else wanting to support this (including Mike Childs) is encouraged to vote for it.

Sorry, I thought the recent mention of the UV request meant that there was not feedback.faithlife.com suggestion and I had forgotten about yours, which I'd seen when I read this thread before.

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Aaron Hayworth | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 13 2021 6:42 AM

I have reached out to Abingdon and got nothing. I'd also appreciate hearing from Faithlife if they ever have put an email or call into Abingdon, even if they also hit a wall or licensing dispute. 

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 2 2021 9:00 PM

SineNomine:

Mike Childs:
Such an edition of Wesley's Works is not available from any of the competition.

This suggests that there may be an issue at the rightsholders' end of things.

At any rate, a new feedback.faithlife.com suggestion to replace the UserVoice one presumably wouldn't hurt.

There is no question about the rights.  They belong to Abingdon Press.  Abingdon publishes for the United Methodist Church.  But I suspect you are correct in that Abingdon must be hard to deal with.  However, Logos cut a deal with Abingdon for "The New Interpreters Bible Commentary."  That gave me hope that we might see the Bicentennial Works of Wesley soon, but it did not happen.

I wish Logos would make a new effort to get the rights to this.  This might be a great time to make a deal with Abingdon, as the United Methodist Church is somewhat struggling financially due to the ongoing schism.  They are cutting budgets, etc.  Perhaps they may be more interested in an offer.

Part of the Bicentennial Works of Wesley - the Journals of Wesley, the sermons, and a few other volumes are available for use online for a price through the UMC's Ministry Matters site.  I have use of these, but that is not nearly as great as having it in one's Logos Library.  And more than half the volumes are not available electronically anywhere.

Of course, I have a paper copy of these volumes as well.  I do not believe Abingdon would lose sales by publishing it in Logos.  Most Wesleyan Scholars would want both electronic and paper copies of this.  I would think this would be a win / win for both Abingdon and Logos.

I guess some things make too much sense to happen.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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