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David Parks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 11 2014 6:07 PM

"Stupid?" In this forum? Surely in a forum like this we can let our, "words be seasoned with salt."

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Joseph | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 13 2014 5:16 PM

I did not mean to imply orcall any person stupid. I sincerly repent if you thought that or if I did.  I meant to call Microsoft's collective decision to make an new OS (RT) look exactly the same as another with no combatibility and give it a similiar name (though different) and then to change the name a year later stupid. 

If Microsoft was more clear and transparent in their marketing, many people would not be so upset. 

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 17 2014 11:06 AM

Did anyone see that the price on the 1st Generation Surface PRO (the one that runs Logos 5 beautifully!) just dropped the price another $300? http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/productID.275287300?Icid=SurfaceCat_Hero_Rot_Surface_Pro_Savings_Bundle_01.03.14

Making Disciples!  Logos Ecosystem = Logos8 on Microsoft Surface Pro 4 (Win10), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone, [deprecated] Windows App, Proclaim, Faithlife.com, FaithlifeTV via Connect subscription.

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Keith L. Rankin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 18 2014 7:07 PM

Can you take a guess as to when a more functional app will be available to use with my SurfaceRT.  Very disappointed, that I cannot use my logos on my tablet to do searches.

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David Parks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 18 2014 8:13 PM

I have some bad news for you. They do not plan to make any improvements on the app. They claim there aren't enough of us Surface RT users to make it worth their while. I could be wrong but I have a sneaky feeling that there are a lot of people carrying around Mac Powerbooks at Logos Roll Eyes

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Russell E. Hixon | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 25 2014 7:09 PM

Waiting for the market share to hit 10% or greater? News came out yesterday that might provide a slight glimmer of hope.

"The IDC recently revealed that the market share of Windows-based tablets has risen from 1% in 2012, to 3.4% in 2013. Whilst this is still a small percentage of the market, that number is predicted to rise to 10.2% by 2017." http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/microsoft-beats-market-expectations-9083175.html

I think the Windows RT and Windows 8.1 operating systems are gaining the acceptance of hardware manufacturers, This will help drive the market share up, and hopefully encourage Bob to dedicate more developers to this cause. We can only hope - and pray.  :)

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 1 2014 2:29 PM

Smile  I saw it dropped but doesnt included a keyboard.  I keep thinking I should make the leap to the old almost affordable previous version.

What am I missing out on if I do not go to Surface 2 besides the too much touted mult-level kickstand?

Is this your (or can it be my) replace it all one machine for everything device (except answering calls) I mean.

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 1 2014 6:50 PM

Josh,

The differences between the Surface Pro and Surface Pro 2 are:

  • The SP has an Ivy Bridge processor while the SP2 has a Haswell processor
  • The battery life on the SP2 is a lot higher than the SP
  • The SP2 runs much cooler than the SP

There's other stuff, like more SkyDrive storage that you get for free with the SP2.

The improved kickstand of the SP2 may be valuable to you or it may not.

Both will run Logos well.

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Jason Ledbetter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 2 2014 12:58 PM

Bradley Grainger (Logos):

Mark Gawura:
That is great news!

Unfortunately, the post you replied to is over a year old and, since then, we have cut back development on the Windows Store app as Windows RT marketshare has not taken off.

We're not ruling out future development on the platform, but it's not under active development right now.

Please keep in mind that the Windows Store platform is much broader than just Windows RT. It also includes the entire x86/full windows space.

Why is this important? With the latest breed of Intel Atom processors (Bay Trail), small windows touch devices that are quite powerful and low cost are viable. There is a whole class of 8" Windows tables based on Bay Trail that are sub-$300 and natively x86 (Dell Venue 8 Pro w/ 2gig of memory and 64gig flash can be had for $299 currently).

I am currently running Logos5 on the device, but a IOS/Android equivalent Windows8 Metro app for this device would be ideal for quick/simple work and study.

-jbl

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Jeremy | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 5 2014 7:24 AM

I know you have to run a business, and the market share for Windows tablets is not high, but I am incredibly sad. 

I liked the app for my Android tablet, but I couldn't use my Android tablet for "real work," so I picked up a Surface RT.  The Surface RT is incredibly superior to the Android tablets in terms of getting work done, but now I have this crummy Logos app that apparently has no plan of being updated.

So, I either choose to lug my laptop around (which I won't), try to get work done on a device designed for play (Android / iOS), or I fumble around with an underdeveloped app on a machine that actually allows me to get all of my other tasks done in the same way I could get them done on a laptop.

These are tough choices. I'm hoping some competition comes along to provide an app that works as well as the Android Logos App, but on a Windows machine.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 5 2014 12:18 PM

I sympathize with your pain, for I am in the same boat. Right now, the only way around this is to get the Surface Pro. which I am currently contemplating. I'm unsure if I want to take the plunge. With my luck I would do that and then Logos will update the app to ios quality. Roll Eyes

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 5 2014 2:46 PM

I am on the fence too....and may still be able to get the original SP for a cheaper price...but fear buyers remorse if they remove support or suddenly decide to have a fire sale on the new update Version 2 of the Hardware.  It would kill me if I buy the dud original and then suddenly the newer model comes down in price.

I loathed the original SP as a hot brick with lousy battery life and not enough volume....but may settle for it even though I see myself squinting as I spend long hours reading from it (Kindle and Logos book reading for school) and hoping in Bible Study that it will do a quick search for me (unlike my Note 2 phone which seems to take forever to find anything).

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 14 2014 5:27 PM

I bought the original suface.  Its hot, fan runs often despite trying to fiddle with the power controls, and doing very little winds down the battery...sigh.

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Vincent Xavier Shaw | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 14 2014 7:15 PM

I can get about 5-7 hours.  :)  It's never is hot.  Never above 37 decibels even under full load, and actually keeps its full clock speed under multi-threading because of the active perimeter venting combined with its magnesium case for passive cooing.

http://www.allthatnerdystuff.com/2013/10/21/how-to-optimize-microsoft-surface-pro-battery-life/

Follow that guide like I did.  Hope the best for you.

Also, it really depends on your expectations and needs.  I needed an ultra notebook, a great screen for photography, a powerful processor for HD video editing, fast SSD for Logos text crunching, a true digitizer for art, and at least 5 hours of battery life.  Nowadays, you can get it for about $600 too!

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Gary McPherson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 17 2014 5:55 AM

As a proud owner of a new Surface 2, let me just echo my agreement.  This is a highly productive device, and about half the price of the pro.  When the previous version came out a little over a year ago there were not as many apps.  Today however, there are several and many are starting to show signs of maturity.  I do hope that Logos improves their support for the modern UI.  It would be a shame to have to walk away after all these years because they no longer support my chosen platform.  I do not have the funds to simply go out and buy the more expensive tablet for one software provider.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 17 2014 7:37 AM

I just bought the original Surface Pro on sale - new from Microsoft Store (online).

After one week the headphone jack I was running the speakers through just mysteriously stopped working.  Its like the system is insisting I ONLY use its tiny speakers instead.

Sigh.Sad

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R. Mansfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 17 2014 7:42 AM

JoshInRI:

I just bought the original Surface Pro on sale - new from Microsoft Store.

After one week the headphone jack I was running the speakers through just mysteriously stopped working.  Its like the system is insisting I ONLY use its tiny speakers instead.

Take it back. If you just bought it new from the Microsoft Store, it will be under warranty

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 17 2014 7:49 AM

I keep wondering if the headphone jack is a well hidden problem.

I could try to find a wireless usb jack solution workaround too.

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Jeff Miles | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 17 2014 9:02 AM

I have a Surface Pro, and its headphone jack is kind of wonky too. I thought it was broken, but in actuality it is just very sensitive about how/where the headphone jack is plugged into it. I have to be very careful to not plug the jack in too far. There is a sweet spot that I have to hit with it that is a "detent" a bit less than "all the way in until it stops." If I hit the sweet spot, it works great. Give it a try and see if that fixes your problem too.

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Jeff Miles | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 17 2014 9:07 AM

JoshInRI:

I bought the original suface.  Its hot, fan runs often despite trying to fiddle with the power controls, and doing very little winds down the battery...sigh.

My experience with my Surface Pro:

The fan rarely comes on. In fact, when using Logos it never comes on. The only time it comes on is if I am playing a game.

My battery life is about 5 to 6 hours if I am using it for reading, Logos, Word, etc. If I use it for watching Netflix, I get about 3 or 4 hours. Games can hit it pretty hard depending on the game.

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