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Tom Geswein | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2012 6:28 AM

I didn't realize the font had changed and I read on my ipod a lot.  It would be nice to have a choice, but I'm perfectly fine with what we have now.

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Kevin Byford (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2012 12:27 PM

Susan Clarke:

After updating yesterday, I was surprised to find that you changed the font.  I much preferred the older font and wish that you had left an option to keep the other.  It is harder for me to read now and I may choose a different electronic bible as my study bible.  Why change a good thhing?  

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Hi Susan,

I have been told by development that we are looking into adding the old font back and allowing a choice to be made between the two, but I don't know when this will be implemented.  Thanks!

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Aaron Allison | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 18 2012 12:56 PM

Didn't the previous version have several fonts in which to choose from, not just one or two?  I rather enjoyed using Palatino, now I'm deeply regretting updating my software.  I hate to sound picky, but I really miss my font.  It was comfortable for my eyes to read for long periods of time, unlike the new narrow typewriter look, which to me is so archaic I'm having a tough time realizing why they thought everyone would like it more than having a choice.  I hope they will patch this and bring back the other fonts soon, truetype font files take up little to no disk space and it wouldn't take much code-wise to revisit this.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 18 2012 1:55 PM

Just to clarify...Is this the font that so many are complaining about? (3.1.1.1744)

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Chris Dixon | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 18 2012 2:39 PM

I am visually impaired, and I also find the new font to be much harder to read. I would really appreciate the choice to use the old font. 

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Andrew Malone | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 18 2012 2:55 PM

Dan:

I will try and give some clarity to why many find the new font difficult to read for a lengthy amount of time.

I think Dan's five clarifications are helpful for those of us describing the typesetting issues. I'd add one more reason why I find the newer font distressing on the eyes:

6. There is a significant difference between the cap and ascender lines. This is most easily seen where a tall letter follows a capital (as in 'The' or 'Illegal' or 'Ultimate'); the capitals cower a little below the height of the taller letters.

I've just finished a 100,000-word dissertation and spent weeks procrastinating – using font selection as my excuse. I expressly rejected fonts like the new iPad version, finding them just not viable for sustained reading. Indeed, I tried valiantly to procure one close to the older Logos font. I'll add my voice to those seeking the option to restore it.

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Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 18 2012 3:11 PM

For whatever it's worth, I like the new font better. The line spacing could be a bit tighter for my taste, especially on the phone, but overall I consider it an improvement. Of course, choice is always the best.

Developers, if you're considering giving users a choice of fonts, you may want to check out the fonts available in Instapaper. That app has, hands down, the best collection of fonts for mobile reading I've ever seen. There's a blog entry from the developer that talks a little about it here.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 3:05 PM

I hope if Logos would give a choice of fonts, they would keep the Skolar (new) font in the offer also. 

Bohuslav

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Paul Marshall | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2012 5:09 AM

Just for the record, I really don't like the new font either.   So much, that I found myself using another bible app which is easier to read.   

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Kevin Byford (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2012 5:16 PM

Paul Marshall:

Just for the record, I really don't like the new font either.   So much, that I found myself using another bible app which is easier to read.   

Hi Paul,

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, we are looking at adding the old font back thus giving a choice between the new and the old.  Thanks.

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Reid A Ferguson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 8:37 AM

Never a way to please us all - eh? But just for the record, I positively LOVE the new font. It would be nice to have a choice, but not a complaint on this one is not. Good job. 

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Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 24 2012 5:32 PM

I just opened a Greek Bible on my iPhone and saw the theta in the new font. Not a fan. I still love it in English though. Any chance, when the option is added, that I'll be able to choose different fonts for each language?

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Pastor Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 25 2012 5:10 PM

Have to chime in on this as well. I don't particularly have an issue with the new English font, but am extremely unhappy with the new Greek font. It is too much a "script" kind of typeface for me; I prefer block letters. In particular, the thetas are just ridiculously awkward for me. Every time I see one, I have to stop and think about what that is, and I am not a new Greek student; I've been reading and studying the Greek Biblical texts for 20 years. As someone else said above, it would be nice to have a choice. That is especially true when developers know they are making changes to a feature as admittedly subjective as a typeface, and as crucial to the very functionality of the app. 

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Joe Kaczmarek | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 28 2012 12:31 AM

I completely agree! The new font is much more difficult to read than the old font. I was REALLY disappointed when I saw the new font and found that there is no way to change it back or to a different font. The old font was excellent - readable, attractive and easy on the eyes during extended reading. The new font is exactly the opposite. I am hopeful that Logos will either revert to the old font or give us the choice of which font to use. As for the iOS version being free, it is. However, the content that we paid for is not and can be viewed only using Logos apps. I am extremely happy with the Logos platform and capabilities. This font change, however, is something that I do not understand and hope that Logos will change quickly

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Kevin Byford (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 28 2012 10:42 AM

To everyone asking about Fonts - please see my previous posts.  The development team intends to add the ability to use more than one font, although I don't exactly know when this will be implemented.  Thanks for your patience.

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Ken Bosward | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 3:01 PM

Thanks Kevin. Although the clarity and rendering of the new font does seem nicer, for me the biggest problem is the increased vertical spacing and therefore wasted whitespace between lines. On my lowly iPod Touch 4 with the ESV bible at default font size (4th notch on slider) I can fit only 16 lines on a screen. At the next smaller size (3rd notch) I can see 19 lines but the smaller font size is a strain for my ageing eyes. By comparison, BibleReader can fit 22 lines on the screen with a bigger font (Georgia) which I find easier to read.

I don't know if it is possible, but in additional to being able to choose a font, would it be possible to include an adjustment to change the amount of space between lines?

Ken

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 5:41 PM

Welcome to the forums Ken! Smile

Ken Bosward:
would it be possible to include an adjustment to change the amount of space between lines?

I think this would be a good idea too! FYI - the space between lines is called leading (Rhymes with "heading," not "reading.") 

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Andrew | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 6 2012 4:16 PM

Please, when might Logos bring back the old font or offer an improved font for the iPad? I used to use Logos all the time on the iPad, but not any more. I have some knowledge of type-setting, book publishing, and fonts, and it seems to me the present font is far too ornate and decorative for text reading, more like a display font used for invitations, announcements etc., rather than for sustained reading. The serifs are strong and curved to such an extent that they distract the eye, and the font overall of a spidery appearance. (Perhaps it is better for smaller devices such as the iPad mini, or iPhone, but  in my view, and it would seem in that of others also, certainly not on the iPad.) Even a plain non serif font would be better. I find myself going back to using Logos on my laptop most of the time, but this is not always convenient. The old saying was, "If it's not broke, don't mend it." If I had known sooner I would not have upgraded, but now I am at the mercy of Logos. Here's hoping that someone in development will take notice. There are so many good resources but I am not enjoying them on the iPad in the way I did previously.

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Kevin Byford (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 6 2012 4:27 PM

alabama24:

Welcome to the forums Ken! Smile

Ken Bosward:
would it be possible to include an adjustment to change the amount of space between lines?

I think this would be a good idea too! FYI - the space between lines is called leading (Rhymes with "heading," not "reading.") 

There are plans to eventually add this feature, but I have no idea when.

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Kevin Byford (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 6 2012 4:35 PM

Andrew:
Please, when might Logos bring back the old font or offer an improved font for the iPad?

Please see my previous posts.

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