German Bible Society states: "No Further SESB-Versions"

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Si | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Mar 20 2012 7:52 AM

Today, I received an email from the German Bible Society stating that Logos will end official support of L3 this March.  While this was not news to me, the German Bible Society also made this statement: "Since there will be no further SESB-versions following, there are two options for you: further use of the SESB based on Libronix 3 or moving to Logos 4."  It appears that there are no plans to make another SESB package.  Hopefully, this means that the German Bible Society will be unbundling their products in the future.     

 

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Si | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 20 2012 7:58 AM

Also, there is some good news for SESB owners that I failed to mention.  The German Bible Society stated: " The WIVU-database for syntactic search functions in the BHS is currently not working with Logos 4.  The German Bible Society is working on a solution, which will be submitted via automatic update."  Though a future SESB product may be abandoned, the German Bible Society is not abandoning its customers who own SESB.  

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Johann | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 20 2012 11:44 AM

Si Cochran:
Hopefully, this means that the German Bible Society will be unbundling their products in the future.     

That would be 'sehr gut'!

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Si | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 20 2012 11:52 AM

Johann Dyck:

Si Cochran:
Hopefully, this means that the German Bible Society will be unbundling their products in the future.     

That would be 'sehr gut'!

Hey Johann!  Good to see someone from FBC-WP on the forums.  Hope all is well with you.  

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 20 2012 11:57 AM

Si Cochran:
 Also, there is some good news for SESB owners that I failed to mention.  The German Bible Society stated: " The WIVU-database for syntactic search functions in the BHS is currently not working with Logos 4.  The German Bible Society is working on a solution, which will be submitted via automatic update."  Though a future SESB product may be abandoned, the German Bible Society is not abandoning its customers who own SESB.   
 If  you did not already own SESB would this news make you jump on Stuttgart Electronic Study Bible (SESB), Version 3.0 for Logos Users (18 vols.) before it is withdrawn fron the Logos.com website? Or do you think we will see the same tools become available individually? 

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Si | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 20 2012 12:38 PM

Super Tramp:

Si Cochran:
 Also, there is some good news for SESB owners that I failed to mention.  The German Bible Society stated: " The WIVU-database for syntactic search functions in the BHS is currently not working with Logos 4.  The German Bible Society is working on a solution, which will be submitted via automatic update."  Though a future SESB product may be abandoned, the German Bible Society is not abandoning its customers who own SESB.   
 If  you did not already own SESB would this news make you jump on Stuttgart Electronic Study Bible (SESB), Version 3.0 for Logos Users (18 vols.) before it is withdrawn fron the Logos.com website? Or do you think we will see the same tools become available individually? 

Those are good questions.  Unless Logos or the GBS offers further information, we are left to speculate.  My assumption is that the SESB will be unbundled for individual book/apparatus/database purchase.  I base this assumption on two factors: 1) Recently, Accordance  was allowed to sell the NA27 apparatus and the BHS apparatus as individual purchases.  2) Lately, publishers have allowed more unbundling in comparison to the past.  As to what consumers should do, I would suggest purchasing the http://www.logos.com/product/8484/stuttgart-electronic-study-bible sooner rather than later if you want both the NA27 apparatus (and/or UBS4) and the BHS apparatus.  A bundled product is usually more cost effective, and the SESB may go away.  You should also consider purchasing the full SESB if you want all the tools and books that are offered in that package: http://www.logos.com/product/8644/stuttgart-electronic-study-bible.  However, most Logos users will do fine with the 18 volume version.  I know that some Logos users were waiting for an SESB refresh.  If you were waiting, then you might as well take the SESB 3.0 plunge.  There is no refresh coming.  

With all of this said, Logos may in fact be able to keep the SESB product and sell individual titles from the GBS.  This would be the best of both worlds, and would benefit the largest segment of the Logos user base.  

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Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 20 2012 12:41 PM

What do you think this means?

Si Cochran:

there are two options for you: further use of the SESB based on Libronix 3 or moving to Logos 4." 

To me that sounds like they may be releasing L4-only editions of the SESB contents, just not as a package. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking....

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Si | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 20 2012 1:00 PM

mitchellisdumb:

What do you think this means?

Si Cochran:

there are two options for you: further use of the SESB based on Libronix 3 or moving to Logos 4." 

To me that sounds like they may be releasing L4-only editions of the SESB contents, just not as a package. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking....

To clarify the GBS position on the SESB and their products, I will post the entire email.  Email is as follows:

"Dear Mr. Cochran,

As a user of the Stuttgarter Electronic Study Bible (SESB) you certainly know and appreciate the benefits of this unique Bible software.
We regret having to inform you that our development partner Logos will restrict support for the SESB platform Libronix 3 by the end of March 2012. This also affects the available modules for Libronix 3.
What does this mean for you?

Of course you can still use your SESB. Since there will be no further SESB-versions following, there are two options for you: further use of the SESB based on Libronix 3 or moving to Logos 4 (details will follow later in this e-mail).
The German Bible Society will support the Logos platform and provide download modules in the future.
If you have any questions regarding the use of your SESB, we will be happy to assist you.
Sincerely,
the SESB-Team

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I. Modules for Libronix 3

II. How can I still use my SESB content in the future?

      1. Further use of Libronix 3

      2. Moving to Logos 4 
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I. Modules for Libronix 3

Please note that on 31 March 2012 Logos will stop the sale of Libronix 3 download-modules.
Therefore, please use the last opportunity to purchase modules for the Libronix 3 platform in the next few weeks.

All download-modules that have been published before the end of 2011 are compatible with Libronix 3.
You’ll find an overview of the Libronix-compatible modules here:
http://www.logos.com/L3/support/libronix-resources

Separately purchased Libronix 3 download-modules can also be used with Logos 4 afterwards.

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II. How can I still use my SESB content in the future?

1. Further use of Libronix 3

Currently there is no need to migrate from Libronix 3 to Logos 4, if you can use the SESB without any difficulty.  Benefits of the SESB and Libronix 3 are:

- user interface in several languages as French/Dutch/Spanish e.g.
- lower hardware requirements

We can’t guarantee that the SESB will also be running on future Windows operating systems.

Because of the restricted support and development of Libronix 3, problems could occur with installations on new operating systems.

You can upgrade from Libronix 3 to Logos 4 any time.

Separately purchased Libronix 3 download-modules can also be used with Logos 4 afterwards.

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2. Moving to Logos 4 

Logos 4, which currently is only available with an English user interface, offers the following advantages:

- support and development by Logos
- new download-modules only on Logos 4
- also available for Mac OS X Lion

Please note:  the WIVU-database for syntactic search functions in the BHS is currently not working with Logos 4.  The German Bible Society is working on a solution, which will be submitted via automatic update.

A free Logos-account which is required for transition to Logos 4, can be created by you at www.logos.com.

Send an e-mail with a request for synchronization of your Libronix-customer-account with the Logos-account tocustomerservice@logos.com

The Logos customer support will need the following data from you:

- SESB/Libronix-customer-account (in most cases associated with your SESB registration e-mail address).
- The user name of your Logos.com account.

After synchronization by Logos the contents of your SESB and so far separately purchased Libronix 3 download-modules will be associated with your Logos-account and will be available after installation and logging in at Logos 4.

The logos 4 platform is available in different variants.
In addition to three fee-based packages, there is also a free installer under option 4.
http://www.logos.com/4ways

More information about Logos 4:
http://www.logos.com/support/faq


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Responsible for this message is the German Bible Society

German Bible Society 
Balinger Straße 31 A
70567 Stuttgart
Germany"

I had missed this earlier, but it appears that individual products are in fact coming.  GBS says, "The German Bible Society will support the Logos platform and provide download modules in the future."  So the real question is if the SESB will be shelved, or if it will remain available for purchase long-term?  Perhaps I am wrong, but the SESB will likely be more cost effective than multiple module purchases.  This is the case for Accordance.  In summary, I would purchase SESB now, unless you only want one module.    

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 20 2012 1:02 PM

Super Tramp:
 If  you did not already own SESB would this news make you jump on Stuttgart Electronic Study Bible (SESB), Version 3.0 for Logos Users (18 vols.) before it is withdrawn fron the Logos.com website?

I've had this on my "maybe" list for quite some time. But I'd want the 52 volume version, the one that has all the French Bibles in it. However it does seem kind of like overkill for me. It's redundant with many resources I already have (BHS, NA27, UBS4, Metzger, Septuagint, Vulgate, Apostolic Fathers, English Bibles), and I doubt I'd ever use the critical apparatus or the Latin/Coptic/German texts of the Gospel of Thomas, or the Danish, Norwegian, Dutch, German, Russian or Modern Greek bibles.

If only they'd unbundle this!

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Si | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 20 2012 1:04 PM

Rosie Perera:
If only they'd unbundle this!

I really think this is coming.  See my above post.  

 

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Johann | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 20 2012 3:36 PM

Si Cochran:
Hey Johann!  Good to see someone from FBC-WP on the forums.  Hope all is well with you.

:) Gotta represent. But it sure is a small world sometimes. :) Doing well here. In in Vienna now working on learning German, which is why I would love to get a few current German Bible translations without buying the whole SESB package.

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Si | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 20 2012 6:37 PM

Johann Dyck:
:) Gotta represent. But it sure is a small world sometimes. :) Doing well here. In in Vienna now working on learning German, which is why I would love to get a few current German Bible translations without buying the whole SESB package.

I know, right?  I was really surprised when you responded to my thread.  I very rarely see people I know on the Logos forums.  Glad things are well with you.  Thanks for the FB request.  It will be nice to keep up with you.  As for the German translations, I hope for unbundling for the sake of you and others.

 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 20 2012 7:21 PM

Si Cochran:
I. Modules for Libronix 3

Please note that on 31 March 2012 Logos will stop the sale of Libronix 3 download-modules.
Therefore, please use the last opportunity to purchase modules for the Libronix 3 platform in the next few weeks.

Looking at Logos 3/Libronix thread => Logos 3/Libronix Resource Creation after March 31, 2012 existing SESB modules for Libronix 3 will still be available for purchase and download.  New resources will be created only for Logos 4.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 2 2012 5:04 PM

For everyone who's been waiting: they just started breaking up the SESB: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/41600/355298.aspx#355298. Can't say I'm too thrilled about the prices, though.

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Alain Maashe | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 2 2012 5:26 PM

Wink

fgh:

For everyone who's been waiting: they just started breaking up the SESB: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/41600/355298.aspx#355298. Can't say I'm too thrilled about the prices, though.

 

I was excited until I saw the prices.

and I thought April 1st was yesterday  Wink

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Eric Weiss | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 2 2012 5:53 PM

When I compare the Logos description listings for the 18-volume edition to the 52-volume edition, I cannot match apples to apples to see if the 52-volume edition contains EVERYTHING from the 18-volume edition exactly as it is in the 18-volume edition, or if the 18-volume edition has different versions of some the same/similarly-named resources, since the same wording isn't used for both sets.

Can anyone help clarify?

The 52-volume set includes:

Individual Titles

Original Language Editions

  • Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia
  • Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia with text critical apparatus and linguistic WIVU database
  • Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia: Workgroep Informatica Constituency Tree Analysis
  • Biblia Hebraica Quinta (BHQ) fascicles Deuteronomy, Megilloth, Esther, Ezra, Nehemiah, Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Lamentations
  • Biblia Hebraica Quinta (BHQ) text critical apparatus
  • Novum Testamentum Graece (Nestle-Aland, 27th edition)
  • Novum Testamentum Graece (Nestle-Aland, 27th edition) with text critical apparatus and mophological Gramcord database
  • The Greek New Testament (UBS edition) with text critical apparatus, cross reference apparatus and segmentation apparatus
  • Septuagint/Greek Old Testament (eds. Rahlfs/Hanhart, editio altera)
  • Septuagint/Greek Old Testament (eds. Rahlfs/Hanhart, editio altera) with text critical apparatus and morphological CATSS database
  • Vulgate/Latin Bible, (5th edition, eds. Weber/Gryson)
  • Vulgate/Latin Bible, (5th edition, eds. Weber/Gryson) text critical apparatus
  • Biblia Sacra Vulgata: Psalmi iuxta Hebraicum et Varia Lectio
  • Biblia Sacra Vulgata: Psalmi iuxta Hebraicum et Varia Lectio (Apparatus)
  • The Gospel According to Thomas in Coptic
  • The Gospel According to Thomas in Greek
  • The Gospel According to Thomas in English
  • The Gospel According to Thomas in German
  • The Apostolic Fathers (ed. Lightfoot) in Greek and English

Dictionaries and Reference Works

  • A Hebrew/Aramaic-English and Hebrew/Aramaic-German Dictionary of the Old Testament (ed. WIVU), by Bosman, Oosting, Postma
  • A Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint, by Lust, Eynikel, and Hauspie
  • A Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament, by B.M. Newman
  • Kleines Wörterbuch zum Neuen Testament Griechisch-Deutsch, by R. Kassühlke
  • A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, by B. Metzger
  • A Textual Guide on the Greek New Testament, by R. Omanson
  • The Gospel of Thomas: Original Text with Commentary (English and German), by U.-K. Plisch
  • WiBiLex-Keyword-Index, by Koenen, Bauks

 

The 18-volume set includes:

Individual Titles

Scholarly Bible and Critical Apparatuses

  • Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia: SESB 2.0 Version
  • BHS Apparatus Criticus
  • Biblia Hebraica Quinta
  • Biblia Hebraica Quinta: Apparatus Criticus
  • Biblia Sacra Vulgata (Apparatus)
  • Biblia Sacra Vulgata (SESB)
  • Biblia Sacra Vulgata: Psalmi iuxta Hebraicum et Varia Lectio (Apparatus)
  • Nestle-Aland Novum Testamentum Graece Editio XXVII
  • Nestle-Aland: NTG Apparatus Criticus
  • Septuaginta: Apparatus Criticus
  • Septuaginta: Apparatus Criticus (Alternate Texts)
  • Septuaginta: SESB Edition
  • Septuaginta: SESB Edition (Alternate Texts)
  • The Greek New Testament, Fourth Revised Edition (with apparatus)

Dictionaries and Lexicons

  • The Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament
  • A Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint, Revised Edition
  • Wörterbuch zum Alten Testament: Hebräisch/Aramäisch-Deutsch und Hebräisch/Aramäisch-Englisch

 

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 2 2012 7:34 PM

What does the NA27 with Critical Apparatus look like?  Is the apparatus a separate resource or like footnotes at the bottom, like the paper NA27?  A screenshot might be helpful.  If they are separate I wondered how you used them with the NA27.  The resource page says this...Also included is the Nestle-Aland Novum Testamentum Graece Apparatus Criticus.  (I am referring to using it in L4.) 

NA27 with Critical Apparatus - Logos Bible Software

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LaRosa Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 2 2012 7:44 PM

The NA27 that is included with this contains the apparatus markings in the text that link to the NA27 apparatus, as seen below:

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 2 2012 7:48 PM

LaRosa Johnson:
The NA27 that is included with this contains the apparatus markings in the text that link to the NA27 apparatus, as seen below:

Thank you very much!

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Timothy Brown | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 2 2012 7:49 PM

Jerry M:

What does the NA27 with Critical Apparatus look like?  Is the apparatus a separate resource or like footnotes at the bottom, like the paper NA27?  A screenshot might be helpful.  If they are separate I wondered how you used them with the NA27.  The resource page says this...Also included is the Nestle-Aland Novum Testamentum Graece Apparatus Criticus.  (I am referring to using it in L4.) 

The apparatus is a separate resource. Here is a screenshot:

Edit: Now I see that a http://www.logos.com/product/17655/na27-with-critical-apparatus has just been split out of SESB (52 vols.). I'm not sure that it's the same as the resources in the screenshot above. What I have came from the 18 vol. version.

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