German Bible Society states: "No Further SESB-Versions"

Si Cochran said:

Hopefully, this means that the German Bible Society will be unbundling their products in the future.     

That would be 'sehr gut'!

Si Cochran said:

 Also, there is some good news for SESB owners that I failed to mention.  The German Bible Society stated: " The WIVU-database for syntactic search functions in the BHS is currently not working with Logos 4.  The German Bible Society is working on a solution, which will be submitted via automatic update."  Though a future SESB product may be abandoned, the German Bible Society is not abandoning its customers who own SESB.   

 If  you did not already own SESB would this news make you jump on Stuttgart Electronic Study Bible (SESB), Version 3.0 for Logos Users (18 vols.) before it is withdrawn fron the Logos.com website? Or do you think we will see the same tools become available individually? 

What do you think this means?

Si Cochran said:

there are two options for you: further use of the SESB based on Libronix 3 or moving to Logos 4." 

To me that sounds like they may be releasing L4-only editions of the SESB contents, just not as a package. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking....

Super Tramp said:

 If  you did not already own SESB would this news make you jump on Stuttgart Electronic Study Bible (SESB), Version 3.0 for Logos Users (18 vols.) before it is withdrawn fron the Logos.com website?

I've had this on my "maybe" list for quite some time. But I'd want the 52 volume version, the one that has all the French Bibles in it. However it does seem kind of like overkill for me. It's redundant with many resources I already have (BHS, NA27, UBS4, Metzger, Septuagint, Vulgate, Apostolic Fathers, English Bibles), and I doubt I'd ever use the critical apparatus or the Latin/Coptic/German texts of the Gospel of Thomas, or the Danish, Norwegian, Dutch, German, Russian or Modern Greek bibles.

If only they'd unbundle this!

Si Cochran said:

Hey Johann!  Good to see someone from FBC-WP on the forums.  Hope all is well with you.

Gotta represent. But it sure is a small world sometimes. Doing well here. In in Vienna now working on learning German, which is why I would love to get a few current German Bible translations without buying the whole SESB package.

[;)]

fgh said:

For everyone who's been waiting: they just started breaking up the SESB: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/41600/355298.aspx#355298. Can't say I'm too thrilled about the prices, though.

 

I was excited until I saw the prices.

and I thought April 1st was yesterday  [;)]

What does the NA27 with Critical Apparatus look like?  Is the apparatus a separate resource or like footnotes at the bottom, like the paper NA27?  A screenshot might be helpful.  If they are separate I wondered how you used them with the NA27.  The resource page says this...Also included is the Nestle-Aland Novum Testamentum Graece Apparatus Criticus.  (I am referring to using it in L4.) 

NA27 with Critical Apparatus - Logos Bible Software

LaRosa Johnson said:

The NA27 that is included with this contains the apparatus markings in the text that link to the NA27 apparatus, as seen below:

Thank you very much!

The product pages for the 18-vol. SESB 3.0

http://www.logos.com/product/8484/stuttgart-electronic-study-bible

as well as the SESB 3.0 Upgrade,

1. Which I assume took 2.0 users/owners to the 18-vol. 3.0 version - correct?

http://www.logos.com/product/8735/stuttgart-electronic-study-bible-sesb-version-30-upgrade

say these packages are included in the 52-volume SESB 3.0 set,

2. Which to me implies that the resources in the 18-vol. edition are identical to their counterparts in the 52-vol. edition despite the differences in the titles listings - Correct?

I primarily want the 18-vol. set, but I'd use my Christmas Credits to get the 52-vol. set (for the additional resources other than the foreign language Bibles) if I was assured I didn't miss anything from the 18-vol. set.

3. AND ... IS BHQ incomplete as of this date?

Eric Weiss said:

When I compare the Logos description listings for the 18-volume edition to the 52-volume edition, I cannot match apples to apples to see if the 52-volume edition contains EVERYTHING from the 18-volume edition exactly as it is in the 18-volume edition, or if the 18-volume edition has different versions of some the same/similarly-named resources, since the same wording isn't used for both sets.

Can anyone help clarify?

The 52-volume set includes:

Individual Titles

Original Language Editions

• Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia
• Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia with text critical apparatus and linguistic WIVU database
• Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia: Workgroep Informatica Constituency Tree Analysis
• Biblia Hebraica Quinta (BHQ) fascicles Deuteronomy, Megilloth,
  Esther, Ezra, Nehemiah, Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Lamentations
• Biblia Hebraica Quinta (BHQ) text critical apparatus
• Novum Testamentum Graece (Nestle-Aland, 27th edition)
• Novum Testamentum Graece (Nestle-Aland, 27th edition) with text critical apparatus and mophological Gramcord database
• The Greek New Testament (UBS edition) with text critical apparatus, cross reference apparatus and segmentation apparatus
• Septuagint/Greek Old Testament (eds. Rahlfs/Hanhart, editio altera)
• Septuagint/Greek Old Testament (eds. Rahlfs/Hanhart, editio
  altera) with text critical apparatus and morphological CATSS database
• Vulgate/Latin Bible, (5th edition, eds. Weber/Gryson)
• Vulgate/Latin Bible, (5th edition, eds. Weber/Gryson) text critical apparatus
• Biblia Sacra Vulgata: Psalmi iuxta Hebraicum et Varia Lectio
• Biblia Sacra Vulgata: Psalmi iuxta Hebraicum et Varia Lectio (Apparatus)
• The Gospel According to Thomas in Coptic
• The Gospel According to Thomas in Greek
• The Gospel According to Thomas in English
• The Gospel According to Thomas in German
• The Apostolic Fathers (ed. Lightfoot) in Greek and English

Dictionaries and Reference Works

• A Hebrew/Aramaic-English and Hebrew/Aramaic-German Dictionary of the Old Testament (ed. WIVU), by Bosman, Oosting, Postma
• A Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint, by Lust, Eynikel, and Hauspie
• A Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament, by B.M. Newman
• Kleines Wörterbuch zum Neuen Testament Griechisch-Deutsch, by R. Kassühlke
• A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, by B. Metzger
• A Textual Guide on the Greek New Testament, by R. Omanson
• The Gospel of Thomas: Original Text with Commentary (English and German), by U.-K. Plisch
• WiBiLex-Keyword-Index, by Koenen, Bauks

 

The 18-volume set includes:

Individual Titles

Scholarly Bible and Critical Apparatuses

• Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia: SESB 2.0 Version
• BHS Apparatus Criticus
• Biblia Hebraica Quinta
• Biblia Hebraica Quinta: Apparatus Criticus
• Biblia Sacra Vulgata (Apparatus)
• Biblia Sacra Vulgata (SESB)
• Biblia Sacra Vulgata: Psalmi iuxta Hebraicum et Varia Lectio (Apparatus)
• Nestle-Aland Novum Testamentum Graece Editio XXVII
• Nestle-Aland: NTG Apparatus Criticus
• Septuaginta: Apparatus Criticus
• Septuaginta: Apparatus Criticus (Alternate Texts)
• Septuaginta: SESB Edition
• Septuaginta: SESB Edition (Alternate Texts)
• The Greek New Testament, Fourth Revised Edition (with apparatus)

Dictionaries and Lexicons

• The Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament
• A Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint, Revised Edition
• Wörterbuch zum Alten Testament: Hebräisch/Aramäisch-Deutsch und Hebräisch/Aramäisch-Englisch

 

 

It looks like only 2 resources of the broken-up SESB resources are available for iPhone/iPad.

Is that largely true of the 18-vol and 52-vol sets - I.e., no or very little iPhone/iPad availability?

Mark Smith said:

If anyone is vacillating, the 18 volume edition is a bargain

I agree it is a bargain and jumped on it right away. (I have seen many great resources disappear from the Logos catalog after I have purchased them.) DO NOT HESITATE if you are seriously interested.

I keep wondering if there is anything in the 52 volume collection that I am missing out on. Does anyone have any recommendations for individual title add-ons I should consider? I do not read French, German, Dutch or even Hebrew (yet).

disclaimer: My post is only my unofficial, personal opinion. I have no "insider information" on the future availability of SESB. I do, however, own the Ultimate Archaeology Bundle, the 2010 Christmas Master Collection, and the Bill Bright Life Works Collection; all gone from the Logos catalog. I also missed out on many other super deals that are gone...gone...gone... [:'(]

I just called my sales rep and went with the 18-vol set. I'll download it tonight and look at it and see what I think. I can't imagine needing to spend $145 more for the extra things the 52vol set has. And Rick Brannan will probably do a Coptic-Greek-English Interlinear of GThomas sometime in the future for Logos anyway (just speculating). [H]

THANKS SO MUCH everyone for your responses to my questions.

This thread is a perfect example of how the forums were designed to work. I have been helped greatly by all the informative answers posted. I have also been helped by those wiser than myself who asked good questions I did not know enough to even ask. The comparison spreadsheets are always a help to me.

Many thanks to every poster in this thread. I am now very comfortable with my decision to go with the 18 volume resource and won't be second-guessing myself for the next several years.

Rick Brannan said:

Eric Weiss said:

And Rick Brannan will probably do a Coptic-Greek-English Interlinear of GThomas sometime in the future for Logos anyway (just speculating).

Not likely; my Coptic isn't up to snuff for that. Besides, it's already been done (though not for Logos), right?

http://www.gospel-thomas.net/x_transl.htm

There isn't much Greek extant for the Gospel of Thomas. Now, the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, that's a different beast altogether.

Well, then, is Coptic GThomas + Commentary and English translation worth the $50 separate resource price to me? Not at present, I don't think. But maybe.

(I'm pretty sure Omanson + Constituency Tree + WiBiLex aren't worth $95 to me, so the 52 vol set is still off the table.)

 

Eric Weiss said:

So for those of us who just spent a lot of money on this, what is going to happen when NA-28 comes out in a few months? Will we get an upgrade at minimal cost for the text and the critical apparatus?

(bump)

Any answers or thoughts on this? Per Wikipedia:

The current edition of Nestle-Aland reproduces the text of NA26 (the
same text used in UBS3 and UBS4). The 27th edition presents a thoroughly
revised critical apparatus and a rewritten introduction and appendices.

A more complete set of variants is listed in the multiple volume Novum Testamentum Graecum – Editio Critica Maior. A small number of textual changes in the most current edition will be incorporated in the 28th edition of the Nestle-Aland.^[8] The 28th revised edition is tentatively expected to be released in December 2012.

Does anyone here know how much different the critical apparatus of NA-28 will be from that of NA-27?

Also: Are the only textual differences between NA-27 and NA-28 these few from just the books of James, 1-2 Peter, 1-2-3 John, and Jude? (I.e., no changes to the Gospels, Acts, Pauline Epistles, Hebrews, or Revelation.)

http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/ECM/ECM-index.html