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Robert Ellis | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Sep 30 2011 11:44 PM

HI

I purchased some new books today in my ipad 

then signed in to vyrso but the list of books was buried my by my logos books

I would like it to only show the books I bought - as I can use logos for logos books

I could perhaps have the option to move books across 

but I would like to only see the new books I bought for reading

thank you

Rob E

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 1 2011 12:00 AM

Robert, you can tag them as "Vyrso" in Logos (sort Library by Last Updated column so you can more easily select the Vyrso books you just downloaded, and then you can tag them all in one go). Then I think (I hope) eventually in Vyrso (it doesn't work for me yet) you will be able to type a tag such as Vyrso into the library filter box and it should find just those books which you've tagged Vyrso. But don't quote me on it. And I think for now you're stuck.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 1 2011 12:08 AM

Robert

Try typing "edition:ebook" into the search field - this should just give you the Vryso books.

Graham

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Patrick S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 1 2011 2:36 AM

Robert Ellis:

I purchased some new books today in my ipad 

then signed in to vyrso but the list of books was buried my by my logos books

I would like it to only show the books I bought - as I can use logos for logos books

I could perhaps have the option to move books across 

but I would like to only see the new books I bought for reading

I agree 100% - I think Logos needs to think this through carefully. If I buy a Christian novel or inspirational title to read on my iPad I don't want it buried in the thousands of titles from my Logos Bible Software 4 - which is a dedicated study resource.

IF Logos is going to put Logos Bible Software resources in Vyrso (why—when I already have the iPad Logos Bible app) then they need to put in an easy 'switch' you can flick to hide all the Logos Bible Software resources.

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Robert Ellis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 1 2011 2:44 AM

Hi Patrick

I do agree - hopefully its and early design which they will sort as they are very good at what they do.

Rob

 

 

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 1 2011 2:48 AM

Patrick S.:
then they need to put in an easy 'switch' you can flick to hide all the Logos Bible Software resources.

I agree with "switch" to be bale to see or not to see Logos books in Vyrso. I want however to have the option to see those books as I use Logos for Bible study and Vyrso for plain reading of books, both Vyrso and Logos ones.

Bohuslav

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 1 2011 2:58 AM

Patrick S.:
they need to put in an easy 'switch' you can flick to hide all the Logos Bible Software resources.

I agree. My solution would be an option on the selection screen to say "show only resources in this collection." Then in Logos one could set up a collection that has a rule string to include all their Vyrso books and they can add individual ones from their Logos library. Of course in order for this to work their must be something in the metadata that says "this is a Vyrso resource." (edition:eBook did not work for me).

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Patrick S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 1 2011 3:17 AM

Halo Hound:

Patrick S.:
they need to put in an easy 'switch' you can flick to hide all the Logos Bible Software resources.

I agree. My solution would be an option on the selection screen to say "show only resources in this collection." Then in Logos one could set up a collection that has a rule string to include all their Vyrso books and they can add individual ones from their Logos library. Of course in order for this to work their must be something in the metadata that says "this is a Vyrso resource." (edition:eBook did not work for me).

Hi - I feel it is a bigger question Logos needs to consider. What is the purpose of Vyrso - of itself and in relation to its existing Logos Bible Software platform?

I see (and their promotions seem to say also) that Vyrso is primarily a 'Christian eBookstore'. This bookstore has broad range of titles from kids books (http://vyrso.com/product/10643/gods-little-princess-treasury) to heavy duty Theology. All obviously with a Christian basis. No problem but... what goes on Vyrso website and what goes on Logos website. Is there any intersection of titles? If so why?

It gets worse — all titles you buy on Vryso website end up in your Logos Bible Software. Now that's ok if it is a respected theological treatise, but do you really want to see Gigi's pretty pink thoughts coming up in your (cough) scholarly Logos searches??

I've tested this (not with 'There's a Princess in Me' !!) I just bought a John MacArthur title in Vyrso and it got pulled into Logos 4. Yeah you can put the book in the 'hidden resources' box in Logos, but do we really want to be bothered having to do that?? No.

I'm sure that Logos will address these sort of roll out glitches — I hope they do — soon. I'll get tired of putting Gigi titles into the sin bin Smile

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 1 2011 4:35 AM

Rob - 

In your library, search for "ebook," not "edition:ebook." See screen shot: 

 

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 1 2011 4:45 AM

Patrick S.:
What is the purpose of Vyrso - of itself and in relation to its existing Logos Bible Software platform?

Purpose of Vyrso as I understand it in relation to what Logos was doing before is to make a broader range of books available. Vyrso is appealing to certain publishers where as Logos.com is not. Purhaps its easier Book compiling, target audience, etc.

Patrick S.:
what goes on Vyrso website and what goes on Logos website. Is there any intersection of titles? If so why?

I think mostly it is a publisher decision.

Patrick S.:
do you really want to see Gigi's pretty pink thoughts coming up in your (cough) scholarly Logos searches??

Rarely do I do a search of my whole library. Usually I would search something specific e.g my Journals or theologies. Gigi would not go in my theology. Sorry Gigi :-) Even if she did I wouldn't mind it. It would be a reminder that the truth I am studying is true for my little Girl as well (if I had one).

Patrick S.:
you can put the book in the 'hidden resources' box in Logos, but do we really want to be bothered having to do that?? No.

Agreed. With Logos branching out into things like the Perseus Project and Vyrso Logos 4 needs more control over what is visible in the library and what is not. I for one do not mind the resources being on my computer but not visible to me. I can see a use for two levels of user control. One is the current Hidden resources function which keeps things off your computer and from syncing. Another level would be a setting that says "make this collection invisible in the Library and searches". the only place these would be visible to would be the Collection Tool so you could go in and see those resources if you wanted to.

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 1 2011 4:45 AM

alabama24:
In your library, search for "ebook," not "edition:ebook." See screen shot: 

That doesn't work in L4 PC version. Wish it did..

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 1 2011 5:12 AM

Halo - 

I meant for the mobile app. However, I did just try it on my L4 library and viola! Glad to know the MAC VERSION has a leg up. Smile (Sorry its not working for you Tongue Tied)

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Patrick S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 1 2011 5:14 AM

Halo Hound:

Patrick S.:
do you really want to see Gigi's pretty pink thoughts coming up in your (cough) scholarly Logos searches??

Rarely do I do a search of my whole library. Usually I would search something specific e.g my Journals or theologies. Gigi would not go in my theology. Sorry Gigi :-) Even if she did I wouldn't mind it. It would be a reminder that the truth I am studying is true for my little Girl as well (if I had one).

I usually start with a broad 'shotgun' approach to see what is there — often one finds things in titles that perhaps would not have been considered and/or put into collections. So I really don't want to see Gigi coming up in what is, to me, my study platform.

Halo Hound:

Patrick S.:
you can put the book in the 'hidden resources' box in Logos, but do we really want to be bothered having to do that?? No.

Agreed. With Logos branching out into things like the Perseus Project and Vyrso Logos 4 needs more control over what is visible in the library and what is not. I for one do not mind the resources being on my computer but not visible to me. I can see a use for two levels of user control. One is the current Hidden resources function which keeps things off your computer and from syncing. Another level would be a setting that says "make this collection invisible in the Library and searches". the only place these would be visible to would be the Collection Tool so you could go in and see those resources if you wanted to.

The other problem I see is that these books — which may be novels etc. — could end up being a large number of titles and they could start impacting the performance of Logos 4 (Mac/Win) and we all know that Logos 4 does not need anything more affecting its performance.

"I want to know all God's thoughts; the rest are just details." - Albert Einstein

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Patrick S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 1 2011 5:15 AM

Halo Hound:

Patrick S.:
do you really want to see Gigi's pretty pink thoughts coming up in your (cough) scholarly Logos searches??

Rarely do I do a search of my whole library. Usually I would search something specific e.g my Journals or theologies. Gigi would not go in my theology. Sorry Gigi :-) Even if she did I wouldn't mind it. It would be a reminder that the truth I am studying is true for my little Girl as well (if I had one).

I usually start with a broad 'shotgun' approach to see what is there — often one finds things in titles that perhaps would not have been considered and/or put into collections. So I really don't want to see Gigi coming up in what is, to me, my study platform.

 

Halo Hound:

Patrick S.:
you can put the book in the 'hidden resources' box in Logos, but do we really want to be bothered having to do that?? No.

Agreed. With Logos branching out into things like the Perseus Project and Vyrso Logos 4 needs more control over what is visible in the library and what is not. I for one do not mind the resources being on my computer but not visible to me. I can see a use for two levels of user control. One is the current Hidden resources function which keeps things off your computer and from syncing. Another level would be a setting that says "make this collection invisible in the Library and searches". the only place these would be visible to would be the Collection Tool so you could go in and see those resources if you wanted to.

The other problem I see is that these books — which may be novels etc. — could end up being a large number of titles and they could start impacting the performance of Logos 4 (Mac/Win) and we all know that Logos 4 does not need anything more affecting its performance.

 

"I want to know all God's thoughts; the rest are just details." - Albert Einstein

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 1 2011 5:17 AM

Halo Hound:

Patrick S.:
what goes on Vyrso website and what goes on Logos website. Is there any intersection of titles? If so why?

I think mostly it is a publisher decision.

You are probably right, Halo. 

Patrick - you asked if there was any "intersection of titles." The answer is no. Vyrso books do not have Logos editions. Logos has said that they do not want to have two editions of a book. There is a possibility that some titles may move from Vyrso to Logos, but it is my understanding that they will not sell two editions. 

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 1 2011 5:21 AM

Patrick S.:
So I really don't want to see Gigi coming up in what is, to me, my study platform.

Perfectly understandable.

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Patrick S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 1 2011 9:27 AM

Patrick S.:

all titles you buy on Vryso website end up in your Logos Bible Software

I just bought a John MacArthur title in Vyrso and it got pulled into Logos 4. Yeah you can put the book in the 'hidden resources' box in Logos, but do we really want to be bothered having to do that?? No.

Hmmm — more problematic. I bought about five more titles on Vryso and next time I opened Logos 4 they got pulled down automatically (no choice), then I had to restart Logos 4, then when I restarted Logos 4 then commenced indexing the books. While they were being indexing I dragged all five titles into hidden resources and restarted. But next time I open Logos 4 the titles were still in the library.

They can't be removed from Logos 4 while they are being indexed. Also will their content still stay in the Logos 4 indices or will it be removed?

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 1 2011 9:55 AM

Patrick S.:
They can't be removed from Logos 4 while they are being indexed. Also will their content still stay in the Logos 4 indices or will it be removed?

I'm not sure, but if you want to make sure you have a clean index type "rebuild Index" in the command line and let it run overnight.

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 1 2011 10:25 AM

Bohuslav Wojnar:
I want however to have the option to see those books as I use Logos for Bible study and Vyrso for plain reading of books, both Vyrso and Logos ones.

I would like to see my Vyrso books in my Logos library. For me I would not invest in Vyrso books If Logos decides to remove it from my Logos library.

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 1 2011 10:59 AM

Personally I think the value of a Vyrso book is its integration into Logos. I love having my Vyrso books in Logos, easily searchable, taggable, markupable, etc. 

I think it may be a good idea for Logos to enable an option in the Vyrso app to only show the ebooks for those who want that. Then those who want that could use Vyrso app for reading ebooks and Logos app for reading others. For my own use, there isn't always a sharp distinction between the kind of books I foresee myself purchasing in Vyrso in comparison to many of the Logos books I own. 

So I just use tags, collections, and searching to organize and access my library. 

Jacob Hantla
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