Don't want to see 100's of logos books

Robert, you can tag them as "Vyrso" in Logos (sort Library by Last Updated column so you can more easily select the Vyrso books you just downloaded, and then you can tag them all in one go). Then I think (I hope) eventually in Vyrso (it doesn't work for me yet) you will be able to type a tag such as Vyrso into the library filter box and it should find just those books which you've tagged Vyrso. But don't quote me on it. And I think for now you're stuck.

Robert Ellis said:

I purchased some new books today in my ipad 

then signed in to vyrso but the list of books was buried my by my logos books

I would like it to only show the books I bought - as I can use logos for logos books

I could perhaps have the option to move books across 

but I would like to only see the new books I bought for reading

I agree 100% - I think Logos needs to think this through carefully. If I buy a Christian novel or inspirational title to read on my iPad I don't want it buried in the thousands of titles from my Logos Bible Software 4 - which is a dedicated study resource.

IF Logos is going to put Logos Bible Software resources in Vyrso (why—when I already have the iPad Logos Bible app) then they need to put in an easy 'switch' you can flick to hide all the Logos Bible Software resources.

Patrick S. said:

then they need to put in an easy 'switch' you can flick to hide all the Logos Bible Software resources.

I agree with "switch" to be bale to see or not to see Logos books in Vyrso. I want however to have the option to see those books as I use Logos for Bible study and Vyrso for plain reading of books, both Vyrso and Logos ones.

Halo Hound said:

Patrick S. said:

they need to put in an easy 'switch' you can
flick to hide all the Logos Bible Software resources.

I agree. My solution would be an option on the selection screen to say
"show only resources in this collection." Then in Logos one could set up a collection that has a rule string to include all their Vyrso books and they can add individual ones from their Logos library. Of course in order for this to work their must be something in the metadata that says "this is a Vyrso resource." (edition:eBook did not work for me).

Hi - I feel it is a bigger question Logos needs to consider. What is the purpose of Vyrso - of itself and in relation to its existing Logos Bible Software platform?

I see (and their promotions seem to say also) that Vyrso is primarily a 'Christian eBookstore'. This bookstore has broad range of titles from kids books (http://vyrso.com/product/10643/gods-little-princess-treasury) to heavy duty Theology. All obviously with a Christian basis. No problem but... what goes on Vyrso website and what goes on Logos website. Is there any intersection of titles? If so why?

It gets worse — all titles you buy on Vryso website end up in your Logos Bible Software. Now that's ok if it is a respected theological treatise, but do you really want to see Gigi's pretty pink thoughts coming up in your (cough) scholarly Logos searches??

I've tested this (not with 'There's a Princess in Me' !!) I just bought a John MacArthur title in Vyrso and it got pulled into Logos 4. Yeah you can put the book in the 'hidden resources' box in Logos, but do we really want to be bothered having to do that?? No.

I'm sure that Logos will address these sort of roll out glitches — I hope they do — soon. I'll get tired of putting Gigi titles into the sin bin [:)]

Patrick S. said:

What is the purpose of Vyrso - of itself and in relation to its existing Logos Bible Software platform?

Purpose of Vyrso as I understand it in relation to what Logos was doing before is to make a broader range of books available. Vyrso is appealing to certain publishers where as Logos.com is not. Purhaps its easier Book compiling, target audience, etc.

Patrick S. said:

what goes on Vyrso website and what goes on Logos website. Is there any intersection of titles? If so why?

I think mostly it is a publisher decision.

Patrick S. said:

do you really want to see Gigi's pretty pink thoughts coming up in your (cough) scholarly Logos searches??

Rarely do I do a search of my whole library. Usually I would search something specific e.g my Journals or theologies. Gigi would not go in my theology. Sorry Gigi :-) Even if she did I wouldn't mind it. It would be a reminder that the truth I am studying is true for my little Girl as well (if I had one).

Patrick S. said:

you can put the book in the 'hidden resources' box in Logos, but do we really want to be bothered having to do that?? No.

Agreed. With Logos branching out into things like the Perseus Project and Vyrso Logos 4 needs more control over what is visible in the library and what is not. I for one do not mind the resources being on my computer but not visible to me. I can see a use for two levels of user control. One is the current Hidden resources function which keeps things off your computer and from syncing. Another level would be a setting that says "make this collection invisible in the Library and searches". the only place these would be visible to would be the Collection Tool so you could go in and see those resources if you wanted to.

Halo Hound said:

Patrick S. said:

do you really want to see Gigi's pretty pink thoughts coming up in your (cough) scholarly Logos searches??

Rarely do I do a search of my whole library. Usually I would search something specific e.g my Journals or theologies. Gigi would not go in my theology. Sorry Gigi :-) Even if she did I wouldn't mind it. It would be a reminder that the truth I am studying is true for my little Girl as well (if I had one).

I usually start with a broad 'shotgun' approach to see what is there — often one finds things in titles that perhaps would not have been considered and/or put into collections. So I really don't want to see Gigi coming up in what is, to me, my study platform.

Halo Hound said:

Patrick S. said:

you can put the book in the 'hidden resources' box in Logos, but do we really want to be bothered having to do that?? No.

Agreed. With Logos branching out into things like the Perseus Project and Vyrso Logos 4 needs more control over what is visible in the library and what is not. I for one do not mind the resources being on my computer but not visible to me. I can see a use for two levels of user control. One is the current Hidden resources function which keeps things off your computer and from syncing. Another level would be a setting that says "make this collection invisible in the Library and searches". the only place these would be visible to would be the Collection Tool so you could go in and see those resources if you wanted to.

The other problem I see is that these books — which may be novels etc. — could end up being a large number of titles and they could start impacting the performance of Logos 4 (Mac/Win) and we all know that Logos 4 does not need anything more affecting its performance.

Patrick S. said:

So I really don't want to see Gigi coming up in what is, to me, my study platform.

Perfectly understandable.

Patrick S. said:

They can't be removed from Logos 4 while they are being indexed. Also will their content still stay in the Logos 4 indices or will it be removed?

I'm not sure, but if you want to make sure you have a clean index type "rebuild Index" in the command line and let it run overnight.

Ted Hans said:

Bohuslav Wojnar said:

I want however to have the option to see those books as I use Logos for Bible study and Vyrso for plain reading of books, both Vyrso and Logos ones.

I would like to see my Vyrso books in my Logos library. For me I would not invest in Vyrso books If Logos decides to remove it from my Logos library.

Jacob Hantla said:

Personally I think the value of a Vyrso book is its integration into Logos. I love having my Vyrso books in Logos, easily searchable, taggable, markupable, etc. 

Hear what you all are saying  — thing is you are all assuming the titles are theological and/or a match for Logos 4. No argument there — as long as you can also accept that some people would not want to see — cooking books; exercise books; children's books etc. — in their Logos library nor have to go through hoops to constantly exclude books of that sort purchased from Vyrso website from Logos 4. 

Jacob Hantla said:

I think it may be a good idea for Logos to enable an option in the Vyrso app to only show the ebooks for those who want that. Then those who want that could use Vyrso app for reading ebooks and Logos app for reading others. 

The need is in both the Vyrso & Logos 4 apps, more so for Logos 4. I trust Logos will work out a clean solution.

Patrick S. said:

 

Ted Hans said:

Bohuslav Wojnar said:

I want however to have the option to see those books as I use Logos for Bible study and Vyrso for plain reading of books, both Vyrso and Logos ones.

I would like to see my Vyrso books in my Logos library. For me I would not invest in Vyrso books If Logos decides to remove it from my Logos library.

 

Jacob Hantla said:

Personally I think the value of a Vyrso book is its integration into Logos. I love having my Vyrso books in Logos, easily searchable, taggable, markupable, etc. 

Hear what you all are saying  — thing is you are all assuming the titles are theological and/or a match for Logos 4. No argument there — as long as you can also accept that some people would not want to see — cooking books; exercise books; children's books etc. — in their Logos library nor have to go through hoops to constantly exclude books of that sort purchased from Vyrso website from Logos 4. 

 

Jacob Hantla said:

I think it may be a good idea for Logos to enable an option in the Vyrso app to only show the ebooks for those who want that. Then those who want that could use Vyrso app for reading ebooks and Logos app for reading others. 

The need is in both the Vyrso & Logos 4 apps, more so for Logos 4. I trust Logos will work out a clean solution.

I'm with Ted and Jacob.  They should be in Logos 4.

I tag all vyrso books as trade - so I don't forget the resource is a not a full logos resource and lacks full tagging

If I want to search whole library, I have a collection that includes everything except bibles.  With vyrso books I don't want search I simply tag them as ebook and can them exclude resources with that tag from this collection. 

Dealing with them on the Logos 4 side is just a matter of thinking through library management.

With the Logos / Vyrso apps I think isssues will be resolved by being able to both tagging and collections for searches which is not currently possible.   I wouldn't want a blanket exclusion of resource types from either app.  Like some others I use vyrso just for general reading purposes.

Patrick S. said:

It gets worse — all titles you buy on Vryso website end up in your Logos Bible Software. Now that's ok if it is a respected theological treatise, but do you really want to see Gigi's pretty pink thoughts coming up in your (cough) scholarly Logos searches??

Patrick, adding Vyrso ebooks into common library with Logos is by design. There are very good reasons for it.  But even in our paper libraries, we do not keep novels together with cookbooks or theological volumes - we use separate bookshelves for them. I admit, this is one area where it is a LITTLE easier to organize paper books than electronic.  But there is a solution called "collections" as many pointed out so well.  You can create a dynamic collection by going Tools>Collections and simply typing "ebook" in your "Start with resources matching" search field - name the resulting collection anything you want.

Creating Theology, Counseling, Bible Manners and Customs, etc collections will not only speed up your searches, but will give you more relevant results. Note, Author's collections (such as Spurgeon's or Calvin's writings are automatically done for you by Logos).

Patrick S. said:

I've tested this (not with 'There's a Princess in Me' !!) I just bought a John MacArthur title in Vyrso and it got pulled into Logos 4. Yeah you can put the book in the 'hidden resources' box in Logos, but do we really want to be bothered having to do that?? No.

I am not quite sure how "hiding" a resource in Logos will affect its availability in Vyrso reader.  I assume it will be unavailable as well.  Hiding a resource should not be a big deal (actually, even seeing Gigi come up in one of my "full library" searches on "grace" is not a big deal to me.  I can simply ignore that search result.  Now, if I was presenting something really serious before scholarly audience...) HOWEVER Logos made it a HUGE deal by only allowing users to hide one book at a time. Had they made it more convenient, it would be a non-issue.

Robert Ellis said:

I purchased some new books today in my ipad 

then signed in to vyrso but the list of books was buried my by my logos books

Logos should really address the User Interface of their libraries in both Logos and Vyrso.  They are really lagging behind the usability curve. My suggestion is to sort the library by type (ebook) or by latest downloaded.

Dave Hooton said:

You have to rebuild index to completely get rid of hidden books (if you temporarily hide a book there is no expensive indexing when you unhide!).

AAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!

Every time Logos downloads (you have no choice) and indexes (you have no choice) every title bought from Vyrso that you don't want in Logos and you want to clean up your index you need to do a total rebuild?!? Yeah right — great (not).

Patrick S. said:

It gets worse — all titles you buy on Vryso website end up in your Logos Bible Software. Now that's ok if it is a respected theological treatise, but do you really want to see Gigi's pretty pink thoughts coming up in your (cough) scholarly Logos searches??

I've tested this (not with 'There's a Princess in Me' !!) I just bought a John MacArthur title in Vyrso and it got pulled into Logos 4. Yeah you can put the book in the 'hidden resources' box in Logos, but do we really want to be bothered having to do that?? No.

Thanks to everyone who has commented and offered suggestions on this issue.

I'm reasonably competent with Logos and I'm aware of the technical possibilities regarding collections and filters etc. etc. and I have no problem whatsoever having titles bought in Vyrso appear in my Logos 4 application — if I want them there. I want to have, and be able to make, the choice — me.

Here's the thing:

1. Most of the people who are saying this will be primarily buying scholarly (as in matching Logos) titles. They won't have a problem.
2. There is now situation where we have two 'bookshops' for scholarly titles — Logos.com & Vyrso.com — there are good titles on Vyrso that are not available on Logos. What's the logic determining which bookshop a title is sold in? Not that I care in one sense — as long as I can easily add, up front, to Logos 4 only what I want.
3. If one uses filters like "not ebook" in searches in Logos then ALL Vyrso titles will be excluded — excellent theological titles as well as 'pretty princess'.
4. I don't want to be forced to use collections to restrict/filter books in Logos just to get valid content. I've paid big money to get a library that has the distilled knowledge, life experience and spirituality of thousands of persons over more than 2,000+ years. If I am doing an initial type of query I WANT to see results from every book & author. What's the point of restricting (in this case) searches to collections of authors you like. That's like only accepting input from people you like and/or are familiar with. What's the benefit in that!
5. I can just see the untechnical user Pastor/Dr/Prof Vagueness using Logos and doing a query like "exercise power princess" and coming up with all sorts of weird titles. Then they'll be on the Logos 4 forums in a flash. Logos 4 has enough problems already... to get decent performance people have to magically know not to do things like text comparisons on complete Bible books, jumpy scrolling etc. etc.

It's great that we have Vyrso — organise it so that it is a plus, not a pain.

p.s. FYI other Bible software can do multiple version Bible text comparisons of the whole Bible at once without raising a sweat.

alabama24 said:

German Librarians need work too! (once Oktoberfest is finished)

Or... once Oktoberfest is finished with them!

http://www.life.com/gallery/48911/image/104244087/oktoberfest-2010-the-casualties

Has anyone figured out a reliable bookmarking system for these books from the new site yet? I read several chapters of Red Scorpion and bookmarked it and then did  some biblestudy.  Unfortunately the ios app will not let you name your bookmark so you better know it's desigantion.  And if you cant remember the itle your in real trouble.