BUG and annoyances: Logos' bad memory

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fgh | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Feb 29 2012 1:59 PM

 

It is rather annoying that Logos keeps reverting to how I don't want things to be. Just a few examples from today and yesterday:

a) Print/export. Virtually every time I want to print/export I have to change US Letter to A4 (the setting stays put during one session, but reverts to default on restart). I very much doubt that I will ever use US Letter -- I don't even know what it looks like -- so why am I stuck with it? (And why, by the way, doesn't the print/export window close by itself? How likely is it that I want to print the same thing twice?)

b) Library. When I close down with the Library open, I would wish it opened the way I left off, but currently I can't even make my choices stick in a saved layout. E g yesterday I created a specific Layout to create PB's in. It included the Library sorted by Last Updated and had edition:user in the reference box, so that I would only see the PB's -- but, of course, when I next opened it, both of those settings were gone. 

c) Favorites. Every time I open Favorites I have to start by collapsing Bookmarks, so that I get enough space to see the folders.

d) Favorites. Every time I open Favorites I also have to start by opening lots of folders that were already open when I last used it. Favorites could be so useful, but all this folder-opening makes it almost useless when one doesn't have screen estate enough to keep it open at all times. It takes so much time before you can click on what you want that it is usually faster to get it some other way.

e) Favorites. When I've finally gotten all folders like I want them, then all I have to do is to click New Folder and, voilà, one or more folders close again! Crying (Happens very often, but not always.) This one, at least, has got to be a bug!

  • What I really would like would be to be able to select a folder before clicking and get the new folder added as a subfolder to that one, instead of at the bottom of the list.
  • Also, the new folder should, of course, be selected and ready for entering its new name. Wasn't that the case until recently? Now I have to either click twice, or right-click and choose Rename before I can name it. Can't remember having to do that earlier.

There are many more examples, and I'll add them as I come to think of them and have time (or perhaps others will).

 

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 1 2012 5:46 AM

fgh:
Also, the new folder should, of course, be selected and ready for entering its new name. Wasn't that the case until recently? Now I have to either click twice, or right-click and choose Rename before I can name it. Can't remember having to do that earlier.

I just noticed that in the description and the screenshot on the Wiki, the new folder does indeed show up ready to be named, so the current Mac behaviour has to be either a regression or a feature parity issue. (And, like I said, I believe the former.)

fgh:
What I really would like would be to be able to select a folder before clicking and get the new folder added as a subfolder to that one, instead of at the bottom of the list.

This also works on the Wiki, so again either a regression or a feature parity issue. (Can't remember which.)

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 2 2012 7:28 AM

f) Print/export. Won't remember which folder I want the copy in. I have to click my way down the same 5 or so layers of subfolders every time.

I've also found yet another regression:

g) Collections. I have layouts where the Collections tab turns up with a particular collection chosen, so at one point Logos did remember my setting. Now, however, it seems impossible to update those layouts to show other collections instead, and equally impossible to create a favorite opening to a particular collection.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 2 2012 7:43 AM

fgh:
And why, by the way, doesn't the print/export window close by itself? How likely is it that I want to print the same thing twice?
I too have [another name for a female dog] about this.  I was told that this was done so that we can print twice without having to do all of the previous steps to get back to the print/export window.Hmm

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 5 2012 4:55 AM

fgh:
e) Favorites. When I've finally gotten all folders like I want them, then all I have to do is to click New Folder and, voilà, one or more folders close again! Crying

This bug also occurs when deleting a favorite.

tom collinge:
 I was told that this was done so that we can print twice without having to do all of the previous steps to get back to the print/export window.Hmm

What previous steps, one might ask? Cmd-p is only one step...

Ah! Now I get it. They seem to have 'forgotten' to add a box for selecting how many copies you want... Smart. So if you want more than one, you either have to click Print several times, or, if you want more than a few, export to pdf instead, so that you can print from there. Well, the solution to that isn't to keep the window open, it's to add that missing box. 

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 5 2012 5:45 AM

fgh:
Ah! Now I get it. They seem to have 'forgotten' to add a box for selecting how many copies you want... Smart.

"Smart" may not be the adjective I would choose here Geeked

fgh:
Well, the solution to that isn't to keep the window open, it's to add that missing box. 

Yes

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Andy | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 5 2012 5:57 AM

fgh:
What I really would like would be to be able to select a folder before clicking and get the new folder added as a subfolder to that one, instead of at the bottom of the list.

Yes

I don't know whether it will be any reassurance, but PC users are similarly afflicted by this peculiar behaviour (or, at least, this was still the case the last time I used L4 on my desktop PC).

 

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 5 2012 6:31 AM

Andy Evans:
PC users are similarly afflicted by this peculiar behaviour

Then it's a definite regression. As I showed in my second post, the Wiki proves it once worked on PC.

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Andy | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 5 2012 6:52 AM

fgh:

Andy Evans:
PC users are similarly afflicted by this peculiar behaviour

Then it's a definite regression. As I showed in my second post, the Wiki proves it once worked on PC.

Apologies, I didn't check the Wiki link. Perhaps I have been away from the PC longer than I imagined... Embarrassed

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 5 2012 10:29 AM

Andy Evans:
Apologies, I didn't check the Wiki link. Perhaps I have been away from the PC longer than I imagined... Embarrassed

It's a defense mechanism. Our minds tend to shut out painful experiences Big Smile

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Andy | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 5 2012 10:40 AM

Jack Caviness:
It's a defense mechanism. Our minds tend to shut out painful experiences

Big Smile

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 22 2012 12:31 PM

h) Collections. Sort a collection by Type or anything else that shows up collapsed. Open one section. Drag an item to Minus these resources. The section collapses, and has to be opened again before dragging the next item! Crying  (Thankfully, this does not happen in Library, when dragging to Prioritize or Hidden Resources.)

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 22 2012 2:10 PM

fgh:
a) Print/export. Virtually every time I want to print/export I have to change US Letter to A4 (the setting stays put during one session, but reverts to default on restart).

Using Logos 4.5b Beta 7 on Mac OS X 10.6.8 can replicate; personally wish Logos 4 Mac Print/Export would default to the "Default paper size" for the Default printer in System Preferences for Print & Fax.  If no default printer, then default to custom 8.5 x 11 paper size.

fgh:
b) Library. When I close down with the Library open, I would wish it opened the way I left off, but currently I can't even make my choices stick in a saved layout. E g yesterday I created a specific Layout to create PB's in. It included the Library sorted by Last Updated and had edition:user in the reference box, so that I would only see the PB's -- but, of course, when I next opened it, both of those settings were gone. 

Likewise wish for option to save Library with search order and filter.  Copying Library location as URL does not copy any filtering nor sorting.

fgh:

c) Favorites. Every time I open Favorites I have to start by collapsing Bookmarks, so that I get enough space to see the folders.

Likewise wished for Favorite behavior to be more like web browser bookmark folders that remember what was opened and closed (between sessions).  Also wish bookmark style folders could be used for shortcuts.

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Ann Boyles | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 7 2012 10:06 AM

Thank you for your suggestions.

fgh:

a) Print/export. Virtually every time I want to print/export I have to change US Letter to A4 (the setting stays put during one session, but reverts to default on restart). I very much doubt that I will ever use US Letter -- I don't even know what it looks like -- so why am I stuck with it? (And why, by the way, doesn't the print/export window close by itself? How likely is it that I want to print the same thing twice?)

I have created a case for this.

fgh:

b) Library. When I close down with the Library open, I would wish it opened the way I left off, but currently I can't even make my choices stick in a saved layout. E g yesterday I created a specific Layout to create PB's in. It included the Library sorted by Last Updated and had edition:user in the reference box, so that I would only see the PB's -- but, of course, when I next opened it, both of those settings were gone. 

I have created a case for this.

fgh:

c) Favorites. Every time I open Favorites I have to start by collapsing Bookmarks, so that I get enough space to see the folders.

I was unable to reproduce this in 4.5c Beta 4; once I collapsed the Bookmarks section in my Favorites panel, it persisted that way.

fgh:

d) Favorites. Every time I open Favorites I also have to start by opening lots of folders that were already open when I last used it. Favorites could be so useful, but all this folder-opening makes it almost useless when one doesn't have screen estate enough to keep it open at all times. It takes so much time before you can click on what you want that it is usually faster to get it some other way.

I have created a case for this.

fgh:

e) Favorites. When I've finally gotten all folders like I want them, then all I have to do is to click New Folder and, voilà, one or more folders close again! Crying (Happens very often, but not always.) This one, at least, has got to be a bug!

I have created a case for this.

fgh:

  • What I really would like would be to be able to select a folder before clicking and get the new folder added as a subfolder to that one, instead of at the bottom of the list.

I have created a case for this.

fgh:

  • Also, the new folder should, of course, be selected and ready for entering its new name. Wasn't that the case until recently? Now I have to either click twice, or right-click and choose Rename before I can name it. Can't remember having to do that earlier.

I'm not sure if or when this was possible on Mac, but automatically entering "rename" mode (as you describe) is the behavior on Windows. I have created a case for this.

fgh:

f) Print/export. Won't remember which folder I want the copy in. I have to click my way down the same 5 or so layers of subfolders every time.

I was unable to reproduce this on 4.5c Beta 4; it remembers which folder I last exported to, and that persists between sessions.

fgh:

g) Collections. I have layouts where the Collections tab turns up with a particular collection chosen, so at one point Logos did remember my setting. Now, however, it seems impossible to update those layouts to show other collections instead, and equally impossible to create a favorite opening to a particular collection.

I have created a case for this the inability to update layouts. There is an existing case for not being able to create a favorite which opens to a particular collection.

fgh:

h) Collections. Sort a collection by Type or anything else that shows up collapsed. Open one section. Drag an item to Minus these resources. The section collapses, and has to be opened again before dragging the next item! Crying  (Thankfully, this does not happen in Library, when dragging toPrioritize or Hidden Resources.)

I have created a case for this.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 7 2012 2:40 PM

So glad to see one of my older thread addressed! StarUnfortunately I probably have dozens of them.

Ann Boyles:
I was unable to reproduce this in 4.5c Beta 4; once I collapsed the Bookmarks section in my Favorites panel, it persisted that way.

Let's hope that's a good sign.

Ann Boyles:

fgh:

f) Print/export. Won't remember which folder I want the copy in. I have to click my way down the same 5 or so layers of subfolders every time.

I was unable to reproduce this on 4.5c Beta 4; it remembers which folder I last exported to, and that persists between sessions.

I should have expanded that description a bit. I have one folder for backups. I always want my exports to go there. However, if I do an export, then I do something else that also requires locating a folder/file on the computer, then, the next time I want to do an export, the suggested folder is the one the latter file was in, not my backup folder. Typically this happens after I've added a .docx to create a PB, but I would assume it's the same if I e g use a file on the computer to create a Passage List.

It would be much more user friendly if the Print/export remembered its folder, and the PB tool remembered its folder. After all, one is an export, the other is an import, so wanting different folders for them seems pretty normal to me.

That must have taken you some time to work through! Smile (Though probably not as much as it took for me to report it.)

Did you also create a case for

fgh:
Ah! Now I get it. They seem to have 'forgotten' to add a box for selecting how many copies you want... Smart. So if you want more than one, you either have to click Print several times, or, if you want more than a few, export to pdf instead, so that you can print from there. Well, the solution to that isn't to keep the window open, it's to add that missing box. 

 

KS4J, if you happen to read this, there are several things here that belong on the parity list. Wink

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Ann Boyles | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 8 2012 10:23 AM

fgh:

I should have expanded that description a bit. I have one folder for backups. I always want my exports to go there. However, if I do an export, then I do something else that also requires locating a folder/file on the computer, then, the next time I want to do an export, the suggested folder is the one the latter file was in, not my backup folder. Typically this happens after I've added a .docx to create a PB, but I would assume it's the same if I e g use a file on the computer to create a Passage List.

It would be much more user friendly if the Print/export remembered its folder, and the PB tool remembered its folder. After all, one is an export, the other is an import, so wanting different folders for them seems pretty normal to me.

Ah, I understand now what you mean. I have created a case for this.

fgh:

Did you also create a case for

fgh:
Ah! Now I get it. They seem to have 'forgotten' to add a box for selecting how many copies you want... Smart. So if you want more than one, you either have to click Print several times, or, if you want more than a few, export to pdf instead, so that you can print from there. Well, the solution to that isn't to keep the window open, it's to add that missing box. 

There is already an active case for this; I added in a link to this thread.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2012 11:59 AM

Thanks. Now I just hope those 'cases' are put somewhere fairly high up on the priority list. Smile

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2012 2:27 PM

fgh:
KS4J, if you happen to read this, there are several things here that belong on the parity list. Wink

Updates Feature Parity list by adding three items with reference to this thread.

Ann Boyles:

fgh:

a) Print/export. Virtually every time I want to print/export I have to change US Letter to A4 (the setting stays put during one session, but reverts to default on restart). I very much doubt that I will ever use US Letter -- I don't even know what it looks like -- so why am I stuck with it? (And why, by the way, doesn't the print/export window close by itself? How likely is it that I want to print the same thing twice?)

I have created a case for this.

Logos 4.5c Beta 3 on Mac and PC appears to keep print/export setting (e.g. A4).

Ann Boyles:

fgh:

b) Library. When I close down with the Library open, I would wish it opened the way I left off, but currently I can't even make my choices stick in a saved layout. E g yesterday I created a specific Layout to create PB's in. It included the Library sorted by Last Updated and had edition:user in the reference box, so that I would only see the PB's -- but, of course, when I next opened it, both of those settings were gone. 

I have created a case for this.

+1 Yes for changing Logos 4 behavior on Mac and PC.

Ann Boyles:

fgh:

d) Favorites. Every time I open Favorites I also have to start by opening lots of folders that were already open when I last used it. Favorites could be so useful, but all this folder-opening makes it almost useless when one doesn't have screen estate enough to keep it open at all times. It takes so much time before you can click on what you want that it is usually faster to get it some other way.

I have created a case for this.

+1 Yes for changing Logos 4 behavior on Mac and PC.

Ann Boyles:

fgh:

e) Favorites. When I've finally gotten all folders like I want them, then all I have to do is to click New Folder and, voilà, one or more folders close again! Crying (Happens very often, but not always.) This one, at least, has got to be a bug!

I have created a case for this.

Added to Feature Parity list:

Ann Boyles:

fgh:

  • What I really would like would be to be able to select a folder before clicking and get the new folder added as a subfolder to that one, instead of at the bottom of the list.

I have created a case for this.

+1 Yes for changing Logos 4 behavior on Mac and PC since creating New Folder is currently in same folder as selected item or folder.

Ann Boyles:

fgh:

  • Also, the new folder should, of course, be selected and ready for entering its new name. Wasn't that the case until recently? Now I have to either click twice, or right-click and choose Rename before I can name it. Can't remember having to do that earlier.

I'm not sure if or when this was possible on Mac, but automatically entering "rename" mode (as you describe) is the behavior on Windows. I have created a case for this.

Added to Feature Parity list:

Ann Boyles:

fgh:

g) Collections. I have layouts where the Collections tab turns up with a particular collection chosen, so at one point Logos did remember my setting. Now, however, it seems impossible to update those layouts to show other collections instead, and equally impossible to create a favorite opening to a particular collection.

I have created a case for this the inability to update layouts. There is an existing case for not being able to create a favorite which opens to a particular collection.

Added to Feature Parity list:

Ann Boyles:

fgh:

h) Collections. Sort a collection by Type or anything else that shows up collapsed. Open one section. Drag an item to Minus these resources. The section collapses, and has to be opened again before dragging the next item! Crying  (Thankfully, this does not happen in Library, when dragging toPrioritize or Hidden Resources.)

I have created a case for this.

+1 Yes for changing Logos 4 behavior on Mac and PC.

Ann Boyles:

fgh:

I should have expanded that description a bit. I have one folder for backups. I always want my exports to go there. However, if I do an export, then I do something else that also requires locating a folder/file on the computer, then, the next time I want to do an export, the suggested folder is the one the latter file was in, not my backup folder. Typically this happens after I've added a .docx to create a PB, but I would assume it's the same if I e g use a file on the computer to create a Passage List.

It would be much more user friendly if the Print/export remembered its folder, and the PB tool remembered its folder. After all, one is an export, the other is an import, so wanting different folders for them seems pretty normal to me.

Ah, I understand now what you mean. I have created a case for this.

+1 Yes for changing Logos 4 behavior on Mac and PC.  Likewise have a Personal Book folder, which is separate from other folders.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 13 2012 1:33 PM

Thanks, KS4J!

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

Ann Boyles:

fgh:

g) Collections. I have layouts where the Collections tab turns up with a particular collection chosen, so at one point Logos did remember my setting. Now, however, it seems impossible to update those layouts to show other collections instead, and equally impossible to create a favorite opening to a particular collection.

I have created a case for this the inability to update layouts. There is an existing case for not being able to create a favorite which opens to a particular collection.

Added to Feature Parity list:

What about collection tabs in layouts? Since it's a definite regression, I would imagine it's also a feature parity issue, or?

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 23 2012 8:16 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

Ann Boyles:

fgh:

e) Favorites. When I've finally gotten all folders like I want them, then all I have to do is to click New Folder and, voilà, one or more folders close again! Crying (Happens very often, but not always.) This one, at least, has got to be a bug!

I have created a case for this.

Added to Feature Parity list:

Logos 4.5c Release Candidate 1 keeps folder(s) open when creating a new folder.

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