BUG and annoyances: Logos' bad memory
It is rather annoying that Logos keeps reverting to how I don't want things to be. Just a few examples from today and yesterday:
a) Print/export. Virtually every time I want to print/export I have to change US Letter to A4 (the setting stays put during one session, but reverts to default on restart). I very much doubt that I will ever use US Letter -- I don't even know what it looks like -- so why am I stuck with it? (And why, by the way, doesn't the print/export window close by itself? How likely is it that I want to print the same thing twice?)
b) Library. When I close down with the Library open, I would wish it opened the way I left off, but currently I can't even make my choices stick in a saved layout. E g yesterday I created a specific Layout to create PB's in. It included the Library sorted by Last Updated and had edition:user in the reference box, so that I would only see the PB's -- but, of course, when I next opened it, both of those settings were gone.
c) Favorites. Every time I open Favorites I have to start by collapsing Bookmarks, so that I get enough space to see the folders.
d) Favorites. Every time I open Favorites I also have to start by opening lots of folders that were already open when I last used it. Favorites could be so useful, but all this folder-opening makes it almost useless when one doesn't have screen estate enough to keep it open at all times. It takes so much time before you can click on what you want that it is usually faster to get it some other way.
e) Favorites. When I've finally gotten all folders like I want them, then all I have to do is to click New Folder and, voilà, one or more folders close again! 
(Happens very often, but not always.) This one, at least, has got to be a bug!
- What I really would like would be to be able to select a folder before clicking and get the new folder added as a subfolder to that one, instead of at the bottom of the list.
- Also, the new folder should, of course, be selected and ready for entering its new name. Wasn't that the case until recently? Now I have to either click twice, or right-click and choose Rename before I can name it. Can't remember having to do that earlier.
There are many more examples, and I'll add them as I come to think of them and have time (or perhaps others will).
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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fgh said:
Also, the new folder should, of course, be selected and ready for entering its new name. Wasn't that the case until recently? Now I have to either click twice, or right-click and choose Rename before I can name it. Can't remember having to do that earlier.
I just noticed that in the description and the screenshot on the Wiki, the new folder does indeed show up ready to be named, so the current Mac behaviour has to be either a regression or a feature parity issue. (And, like I said, I believe the former.)
fgh said:What I really would like would be to be able to select a folder before clicking and get the new folder added as a subfolder to that one, instead of at the bottom of the list.
This also works on the Wiki, so again either a regression or a feature parity issue. (Can't remember which.)
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f) Print/export. Won't remember which folder I want the copy in. I have to click my way down the same 5 or so layers of subfolders every time.
I've also found yet another regression:
g) Collections. I have layouts where the Collections tab turns up with a particular collection chosen, so at one point Logos did remember my setting. Now, however, it seems impossible to update those layouts to show other collections instead, and equally impossible to create a favorite opening to a particular collection.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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I too have [another name for a female dog] about this. I was told that this was done so that we can print twice without having to do all of the previous steps to get back to the print/export window.[^o)]fgh said:And why, by the way, doesn't the print/export window close by itself? How likely is it that I want to print the same thing twice?
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fgh said:
e) Favorites. When I've finally gotten all folders like I want them, then all I have to do is to click New Folder and, voilà, one or more folders close again!
This bug also occurs when deleting a favorite.
tom collinge said:I was told that this was done so that we can print twice without having to do all of the previous steps to get back to the print/export window.
What previous steps, one might ask? Cmd-p is only one step...
Ah! Now I get it. They seem to have 'forgotten' to add a box for selecting how many copies you want... Smart. So if you want more than one, you either have to click Print several times, or, if you want more than a few, export to pdf instead, so that you can print from there. Well, the solution to that isn't to keep the window open, it's to add that missing box.
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fgh said:
What I really would like would be to be able to select a folder before clicking and get the new folder added as a subfolder to that one, instead of at the bottom of the list.
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I don't know whether it will be any reassurance, but PC users are similarly afflicted by this peculiar behaviour (or, at least, this was still the case the last time I used L4 on my desktop PC).
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Andy Evans said:
PC users are similarly afflicted by this peculiar behaviour
Then it's a definite regression. As I showed in my second post, the Wiki proves it once worked on PC.
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fgh said:Andy Evans said:
PC users are similarly afflicted by this peculiar behaviour
Then it's a definite regression. As I showed in my second post, the Wiki proves it once worked on PC.
Apologies, I didn't check the Wiki link. Perhaps I have been away from the PC longer than I imagined... [:$]
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Andy Evans said:
Apologies, I didn't check the Wiki link. Perhaps I have been away from the PC longer than I imagined...
It's a defense mechanism. Our minds tend to shut out painful experiences [:D]
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h) Collections. Sort a collection by Type or anything else that shows up collapsed. Open one section. Drag an item to Minus these resources. The section collapses, and has to be opened again before dragging the next item! [:'(] (Thankfully, this does not happen in Library, when dragging to Prioritize or Hidden Resources.)
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fgh said:
a) Print/export. Virtually every time I want to print/export I have to change US Letter to A4 (the setting stays put during one session, but reverts to default on restart).
Using Logos 4.5b Beta 7 on Mac OS X 10.6.8 can replicate; personally wish Logos 4 Mac Print/Export would default to the "Default paper size" for the Default printer in System Preferences for Print & Fax. If no default printer, then default to custom 8.5 x 11 paper size.
fgh said:b) Library. When I close down with the Library open, I would wish it opened the way I left off, but currently I can't even make my choices stick in a saved layout. E g yesterday I created a specific Layout to create PB's in. It included the Library sorted by Last Updated and had edition:user in the reference box, so that I would only see the PB's -- but, of course, when I next opened it, both of those settings were gone.
Likewise wish for option to save Library with search order and filter. Copying Library location as URL does not copy any filtering nor sorting.
fgh said:c) Favorites. Every time I open Favorites I have to start by collapsing Bookmarks, so that I get enough space to see the folders.
Likewise wished for Favorite behavior to be more like web browser bookmark folders that remember what was opened and closed (between sessions). Also wish bookmark style folders could be used for shortcuts.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Thank you for your suggestions.
fgh said:a) Print/export. Virtually every time I want to print/export I have to change US Letter to A4 (the setting stays put during one session, but reverts to default on restart). I very much doubt that I will ever use US Letter -- I don't even know what it looks like -- so why am I stuck with it? (And why, by the way, doesn't the print/export window close by itself? How likely is it that I want to print the same thing twice?)
I have created a case for this.
fgh said:b) Library. When I close down with the Library open, I would wish it opened the way I left off, but currently I can't even make my choices stick in a saved layout. E g yesterday I created a specific Layout to create PB's in. It included the Library sorted by Last Updated and had edition:user in the reference box, so that I would only see the PB's -- but, of course, when I next opened it, both of those settings were gone.
I have created a case for this.
fgh said:c) Favorites. Every time I open Favorites I have to start by collapsing Bookmarks, so that I get enough space to see the folders.
I was unable to reproduce this in 4.5c Beta 4; once I collapsed the Bookmarks section in my Favorites panel, it persisted that way.
fgh said:d) Favorites. Every time I open Favorites I also have to start by opening lots of folders that were already open when I last used it. Favorites could be so useful, but all this folder-opening makes it almost useless when one doesn't have screen estate enough to keep it open at all times. It takes so much time before you can click on what you want that it is usually faster to get it some other way.
I have created a case for this.
fgh said:e) Favorites. When I've finally gotten all folders like I want them, then all I have to do is to click New Folder and, voilà, one or more folders close again!
(Happens very often, but not always.) This one, at least, has got to be a bug!I have created a case for this.
fgh said:- What I really would like would be to be able to select a folder before clicking and get the new folder added as a subfolder to that one, instead of at the bottom of the list.
I have created a case for this.
fgh said:- Also, the new folder should, of course, be selected and ready for entering its new name. Wasn't that the case until recently? Now I have to either click twice, or right-click and choose Rename before I can name it. Can't remember having to do that earlier.
I'm not sure if or when this was possible on Mac, but automatically entering "rename" mode (as you describe) is the behavior on Windows. I have created a case for this.
fgh said:f) Print/export. Won't remember which folder I want the copy in. I have to click my way down the same 5 or so layers of subfolders every time.
I was unable to reproduce this on 4.5c Beta 4; it remembers which folder I last exported to, and that persists between sessions.
fgh said:g) Collections. I have layouts where the Collections tab turns up with a particular collection chosen, so at one point Logos did remember my setting. Now, however, it seems impossible to update those layouts to show other collections instead, and equally impossible to create a favorite opening to a particular collection.
I have created a case for this the inability to update layouts. There is an existing case for not being able to create a favorite which opens to a particular collection.
fgh said:h) Collections. Sort a collection by Type or anything else that shows up collapsed. Open one section. Drag an item to Minus these resources. The section collapses, and has to be opened again before dragging the next item!
(Thankfully, this does not happen in Library, when dragging toPrioritize or Hidden Resources.)I have created a case for this.
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So glad to see one of my older thread addressed! [*]Unfortunately I probably have dozens of them.
Ann Boyles said:I was unable to reproduce this in 4.5c Beta 4; once I collapsed the Bookmarks section in my Favorites panel, it persisted that way.
Let's hope that's a good sign.
Ann Boyles said:fgh said:f) Print/export. Won't remember which folder I want the copy in. I have to click my way down the same 5 or so layers of subfolders every time.
I was unable to reproduce this on 4.5c Beta 4; it remembers which folder I last exported to, and that persists between sessions.
I should have expanded that description a bit. I have one folder for backups. I always want my exports to go there. However, if I do an export, then I do something else that also requires locating a folder/file on the computer, then, the next time I want to do an export, the suggested folder is the one the latter file was in, not my backup folder. Typically this happens after I've added a .docx to create a PB, but I would assume it's the same if I e g use a file on the computer to create a Passage List.
It would be much more user friendly if the Print/export remembered its folder, and the PB tool remembered its folder. After all, one is an export, the other is an import, so wanting different folders for them seems pretty normal to me.
That must have taken you some time to work through! [:)] (Though probably not as much as it took for me to report it.)
Did you also create a case for
fgh said:Ah! Now I get it. They seem to have 'forgotten' to add a box for selecting how many copies you want... Smart. So if you want more than one, you either have to click Print several times, or, if you want more than a few, export to pdf instead, so that you can print from there. Well, the solution to that isn't to keep the window open, it's to add that missing box.
KS4J, if you happen to read this, there are several things here that belong on the parity list. [;)]
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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fgh said:
I should have expanded that description a bit. I have one folder for backups. I always want my exports to go there. However, if I do an export, then I do something else that also requires locating a folder/file on the computer, then, the next time I want to do an export, the suggested folder is the one the latter file was in, not my backup folder. Typically this happens after I've added a .docx to create a PB, but I would assume it's the same if I e g use a file on the computer to create a Passage List.
It would be much more user friendly if the Print/export remembered its folder, and the PB tool remembered its folder. After all, one is an export, the other is an import, so wanting different folders for them seems pretty normal to me.
Ah, I understand now what you mean. I have created a case for this.
fgh said:Did you also create a case for
fgh said:Ah! Now I get it. They seem to have 'forgotten' to add a box for selecting how many copies you want... Smart. So if you want more than one, you either have to click Print several times, or, if you want more than a few, export to pdf instead, so that you can print from there. Well, the solution to that isn't to keep the window open, it's to add that missing box.
There is already an active case for this; I added in a link to this thread.
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Thanks. Now I just hope those 'cases' are put somewhere fairly high up on the priority list. [:)]
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fgh said:
KS4J, if you happen to read this, there are several things here that belong on the parity list.
Updates Feature Parity list by adding three items with reference to this thread.
Ann Boyles said:fgh said:a) Print/export. Virtually every time I want to print/export I have to change US Letter to A4 (the setting stays put during one session, but reverts to default on restart). I very much doubt that I will ever use US Letter -- I don't even know what it looks like -- so why am I stuck with it? (And why, by the way, doesn't the print/export window close by itself? How likely is it that I want to print the same thing twice?)
I have created a case for this.
Logos 4.5c Beta 3 on Mac and PC appears to keep print/export setting (e.g. A4).
Ann Boyles said:fgh said:b) Library. When I close down with the Library open, I would wish it opened the way I left off, but currently I can't even make my choices stick in a saved layout. E g yesterday I created a specific Layout to create PB's in. It included the Library sorted by Last Updated and had edition:user in the reference box, so that I would only see the PB's -- but, of course, when I next opened it, both of those settings were gone.
I have created a case for this.
+1 [Y] for changing Logos 4 behavior on Mac and PC.
Ann Boyles said:fgh said:d) Favorites. Every time I open Favorites I also have to start by opening lots of folders that were already open when I last used it. Favorites could be so useful, but all this folder-opening makes it almost useless when one doesn't have screen estate enough to keep it open at all times. It takes so much time before you can click on what you want that it is usually faster to get it some other way.
I have created a case for this.
+1 [Y] for changing Logos 4 behavior on Mac and PC.
Ann Boyles said:fgh said:e) Favorites. When I've finally gotten all folders like I want them, then all I have to do is to click New Folder and, voilà, one or more folders close again!
(Happens very often, but not always.) This one, at least, has got to be a bug!I have created a case for this.
Added to Feature Parity list:
- PC Favorites creation of a New Folder keeps existing folders open, while Mac tends to close folder(s): item e
Ann Boyles said:fgh said:- What I really would like would be to be able to select a folder before clicking and get the new folder added as a subfolder to that one, instead of at the bottom of the list.
I have created a case for this.
+1 [Y] for changing Logos 4 behavior on Mac and PC since creating New Folder is currently in same folder as selected item or folder.
Ann Boyles said:fgh said:- Also, the new folder should, of course, be selected and ready for entering its new name. Wasn't that the case until recently? Now I have to either click twice, or right-click and choose Rename before I can name it. Can't remember having to do that earlier.
I'm not sure if or when this was possible on Mac, but automatically entering "rename" mode (as you describe) is the behavior on Windows. I have created a case for this.
Added to Feature Parity list:
- PC Favorites creation of a New Folder is automatically selected, while Mac needs to select New Folder before can rename: item e
Ann Boyles said:fgh said:g) Collections. I have layouts where the Collections tab turns up with a particular collection chosen, so at one point Logos did remember my setting. Now, however, it seems impossible to update those layouts to show other collections instead, and equally impossible to create a favorite opening to a particular collection.
I have created a case for this the inability to update layouts. There is an existing case for not being able to create a favorite which opens to a particular collection.
- PC Favorites creation of a Collection shortcut works, but Mac shortcut can open a different collection: item g
+1 [Y] for changing Logos 4 behavior on Mac and PC.Ann Boyles said:fgh said:h) Collections. Sort a collection by Type or anything else that shows up collapsed. Open one section. Drag an item to Minus these resources. The section collapses, and has to be opened again before dragging the next item!
(Thankfully, this does not happen in Library, when dragging toPrioritize or Hidden Resources.)I have created a case for this.
Ann Boyles said:fgh said:I should have expanded that description a bit. I have one folder for backups. I always want my exports to go there. However, if I do an export, then I do something else that also requires locating a folder/file on the computer, then, the next time I want to do an export, the suggested folder is the one the latter file was in, not my backup folder. Typically this happens after I've added a .docx to create a PB, but I would assume it's the same if I e g use a file on the computer to create a Passage List.
It would be much more user friendly if the Print/export remembered its folder, and the PB tool remembered its folder. After all, one is an export, the other is an import, so wanting different folders for them seems pretty normal to me.
Ah, I understand now what you mean. I have created a case for this.
+1 [Y] for changing Logos 4 behavior on Mac and PC. Likewise have a Personal Book folder, which is separate from other folders.Keep Smiling [:)]
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Thanks, KS4J!
Ann Boyles said:fgh said:g) Collections. I have layouts where the Collections tab turns up with a particular collection chosen, so at one point Logos did remember my setting. Now, however, it seems impossible to update those layouts to show other collections instead, and equally impossible to create a favorite opening to a particular collection.
I have created a case for this the inability to update layouts. There is an existing case for not being able to create a favorite which opens to a particular collection.
Added to Feature Parity list:
- PC Favorites creation of a Collection shortcut works, but Mac shortcut can open a different collection: item g
What about collection tabs in layouts? Since it's a definite regression, I would imagine it's also a feature parity issue, or?
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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Ann Boyles said:fgh said:
e) Favorites. When I've finally gotten all folders like I want them, then all I have to do is to click New Folder and, voilà, one or more folders close again!
(Happens very often, but not always.) This one, at least, has got to be a bug!I have created a case for this.
Added to Feature Parity list:
- PC Favorites creation of a New Folder keeps existing folders open, while Mac tends to close folder(s): item e
Logos 4.5c Release Candidate 1 keeps folder(s) open when creating a new folder.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Updates on two of these issues:
fgh said:I should have expanded that description a bit. I have one folder for backups. I always want my exports to go there. However, if I do an export, then I do something else that also requires locating a folder/file on the computer, then, the next time I want to do an export, the suggested folder is the one the latter file was in, not my backup folder. Typically this happens after I've added a .docx to create a PB, but I would assume it's the same if I e g use a file on the computer to create a Passage List.
We will not be implementing this.
fgh said:d) Favorites. Every time I open Favorites I also have to start by opening lots of folders that were already open when I last used it. Favorites could be so useful, but all this folder-opening makes it almost useless when one doesn't have screen estate enough to keep it open at all times. It takes so much time before you can click on what you want that it is usually faster to get it some other way.
This will not be implemented right now. You can increase the visibility for this on User Voice.
Thank you. I'll update you when I hear back on the other points you raised.
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Ann Boyles said:fgh said:
- Also, the new folder should, of course, be selected and ready for entering its new name. Wasn't that the case until recently? Now I have to either click twice, or right-click and choose Rename before I can name it. Can't remember having to do that earlier.
I'm not sure if or when this was possible on Mac, but automatically entering "rename" mode (as you describe) is the behavior on Windows. I have created a case for this.
This should be fixed in 4.6 Beta 2.
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fgh said:g) Collections. I have layouts where the Collections tab turns up with a particular collection chosen, so at one point Logos did remember my setting. Now, however, it seems impossible to update those layouts to show other collections instead, and equally impossible to create a favorite opening to a particular collection.This issue is fixed in an upcoming release.
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fgh said:
a) Print/export. Virtually every time I want to print/export I have to change US Letter to A4 (the setting stays put during one session, but reverts to default on restart). I very much doubt that I will ever use US Letter -- I don't even know what it looks like -- so why am I stuck with it? (And why, by the way, doesn't the print/export window close by itself? How likely is it that I want to print the same thing twice?)
Logos 4.5c Beta 3 on Mac and PC appears to keep print/export setting (e.g. A4).
Unfortunately, neither 4.5c nor 4.6 has fixed this for me.
Ann Boyles said:fgh said:c) Favorites. Every time I open Favorites I have to start by collapsing Bookmarks, so that I get enough space to see the folders.
I was unable to reproduce this in 4.5c Beta 4; once I collapsed the Bookmarks section in my Favorites panel, it persisted that way.
Unfortunately, neither 4.5c nor 4.6 has fixed this for me.
fgh said:e) Favorites. When I've finally gotten all folders like I want them, then all I have to do is to click New Folder and, voilà, one or more folders close again!
(Happens very often, but not always.) This one, at least, has got to be a bug!Logos 4.5c Release Candidate 1 keeps folder(s) open when creating a new folder.
Confirmed fixed in 4.6; don't know if I ever checked in 4.5c.
BUT the second part of the bug is still there:
Tonya J Ross said:fgh said:- Also, the new folder should, of course, be selected and ready for entering its new name.
This should be fixed in 4.6 Beta 2.
I can confirm that this is fixed for me, but there are others on the forums reporting that they can't name or rename folders at all.
Ann Boyles said:fgh said:g) Collections. I have layouts where the Collections tab turns up with a particular collection chosen, so at one point Logos did remember my setting. Now, however, it seems impossible to update those layouts to show other collections instead, and equally impossible to create a favorite opening to a particular collection.
I have created a case for this the inability to update layouts. There is an existing case for not being able to create a favorite which opens to a particular collection.
Looking forward to the favorite fix promised for 4.6a, but wondering if the Layout issue has been fixed as well?
fgh said:b) Library. When I close down with the Library open, I would wish it opened the way I left off, but currently I can't even make my choices stick in a saved layout. E g yesterday I created a specific Layout to create PB's in. It included the Library sorted by Last Updated and had edition:user in the reference box, so that I would only see the PB's -- but, of course, when I next opened it, both of those settings were gone.
fgh said:- What I really would like would be to be able to select a folder before clicking and get the new folder added as a subfolder to that one, instead of at the bottom of the list.
fgh said:h) Collections. Sort a collection by Type or anything else that shows up collapsed. Open one section. Drag an item to Minus these resources. The section collapses, and has to be opened again before dragging the next item!
(Thankfully, this does not happen in Library, when dragging to Prioritize or Hidden Resources.)fgh said:Ah! Now I get it. They seem to have 'forgotten' to add a box for selecting how many copies you want... Smart. So if you want more than one, you either have to click Print several times, or, if you want more than a few, export to pdf instead, so that you can print from there. Well, the solution to that isn't to keep the window open, it's to add that missing box.
Not yet fixed.
Ann Boyles said:fgh said:I should have expanded that description a bit. I have one folder for backups. I always want my exports to go there. However, if I do an export, then I do something else that also requires locating a folder/file on the computer, then, the next time I want to do an export, the suggested folder is the one the latter file was in, not my backup folder. Typically this happens after I've added a .docx to create a PB, but I would assume it's the same if I e g use a file on the computer to create a Passage List.
We will not be implementing this.
Can't say I'm that surprised about this one.
Ann Boyles said:fgh said:d) Favorites. Every time I open Favorites I also have to start by opening lots of folders that were already open when I last used it. Favorites could be so useful, but all this folder-opening makes it almost useless when one doesn't have screen estate enough to keep it open at all times. It takes so much time before you can click on what you want that it is usually faster to get it some other way.
This will not be implemented right now. You can increase the visibility for this on User Voice.
This, on the other hand, really did surprise me. How is this not a bug? It goes completely against the standard in both Finder and every other Mac program I can think of, plus, as I said, it makes Favorites essentially useless.
And surely you must know as well as I that putting small things like this on Uservoice is meaningless. Only big things have any chance of collecting enough votes to make a difference.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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fgh said:
This, on the other hand, really did surprise me. How is this not a bug? It goes completely against the standard in both Finder and every other Mac program I can think of, plus, as I said, it makes Favorites essentially useless.
Why were you surprised? Being Mac-like matter has never mattered in Logos. Sigh. I like many of the features in Logos, but it is a Windows program with a Windows philosophy and mentality. I have accepted that fact. Fortunately, for my daily study and biblical work I have an alternative that is a Mac program. If I HAD to choose just one program, it would not be Logos. I have always found Logos employees to be helpful and I am glad to have Logos available on the Mac as a supplemental program for occasional use. I monitor the Mac Logos forum and run Logos nearly every day, just to make sure the downloads and updates with indexing are all up to date—that way, if I really want to use the program, it is available, and I don't have to wait a prolonged period of time when I first start Logs up.
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Bump. Especially for the issues that were supposedly fixed, but aren't.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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The last couple of releases fixed a few things, which I was pleased about. Some things seem a bit snappier, so I don't know if that is just my imagination or some optimisation work going on.
That being said, I have found three formatting errors and crashed it outright when I clicked 'DONE' on the information window. Some of these issues I have reported, some I just have not had time. How long has 4.6 and 4.6 SR-1 been out? I've got some work today to do and more than likely I will find at least one more problem. It seems when one thing gets fixed, another gets broken.
My biggest annoyance of what has been broken is the default font in notes. All my notes are huge now. New notes that I form are ok, but why you would blow up everyone's notes, I have no clue. [8o|]
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tom collinge said:
It seems that you are surprised at this (issues not being fixed).
I am never surprised at things not working in Logos, only annoyed. What would surprise me would be being able to do one full hour's work without encountering a single bug. That's never happened so far. Usually in that time I find about 5 new bugs, besides the older ones that have pestered me for months or years.
Donovan, I'm afraid I can't figure out what your post has to do with the issues this thread is dedicated to. I presume you meant it for another one?
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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fgh said:
e) Favorites. When I've finally gotten all folders like I want them, then all I have to do is to click New Folder and, voilà, one or more folders close again!
(Happens very often, but not always.) This one, at least, has got to be a bug!This has been fixed in 4.6a when creating a New Folder and deleting a folder.
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Ann Boyles said:fgh said:
e) Favorites. When I've finally gotten all folders like I want them, then all I have to do is to click New Folder and, voilà, one or more folders close again!
(Happens very often, but not always.) This one, at least, has got to be a bug!This has been fixed in 4.6a when creating a New Folder and deleting a folder.
Confirmed fix using Logos 4.6a Beta 4 on OS X 10.8.2
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a) Print/export. Virtually every time I want to print/export I have to change US Letter to A4 (the setting stays put during one session, but reverts to default on restart). I very much doubt that I will ever use US Letter -- I don't even know what it looks like -- so why am I stuck with it? (And why, by the way, doesn't the print/export window close by itself? How likely is it that I want to print the same thing twice?)
Logos 4.5c Beta 3 on Mac and PC appears to keep print/export setting (e.g. A4).
Unfortunately, neither 4.5c nor 4.6 has fixed this for me.
Nor has 4.6a.
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fgh said:Ann Boyles said:fgh said:
c) Favorites. Every time I open Favorites I have to start by collapsing Bookmarks, so that I get enough space to see the folders.
I was unable to reproduce this in 4.5c Beta 4; once I collapsed the Bookmarks section in my Favorites panel, it persisted that way.
Unfortunately, neither 4.5c nor 4.6 has fixed this for me.
Nor has 4.6a.
Has there ever even been a case filed for this?
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fgh said:fgh said:
e) Favorites. When I've finally gotten all folders like I want them, then all I have to do is to click New Folder and, voilà, one or more folders close again!
(Happens very often, but not always.) This one, at least, has got to be a bug!Logos 4.5c Release Candidate 1 keeps folder(s) open when creating a new folder.
Confirmed fixed in 4.6; don't know if I ever checked in 4.5c.
BUT the second part of the bug is still there:
fgh said:This bug also occurs when deleting a favorite.
Ann Boyles said:This has been fixed in 4.6a when creating a New Folder and deleting a folder.
No, it's still only partially fixed. Main folders remain open, subfolders still close.
And it still annoys me that all folders close when Favorites is closed, and have to be reopened the next time.
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Ann Boyles said:
This issue is fixed in an upcoming release.fgh said:
g) Collections. I have layouts where the Collections tab turns up with a particular collection chosen, so at one point Logos did remember my setting. Now, however, it seems impossible to update those layouts to show other collections instead, and equally impossible to create a favorite opening to a particular collection.
I can confirm that Layouts and Favorites now save with the correct Collection chosen.
However, I was led to believe from Possible Mac Bug and certainly annoyance: Saving Collections on Favorites or Toolbar that shortcuts would also work, but they didn't. (I forgot to try via Favorites, though.)
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fgh said:fgh said:fgh said:
e) Favorites. When I've finally gotten all folders like I want them, then all I have to do is to click New Folder and, voilà, one or more folders close again!
(Happens very often, but not always.) This one, at least, has got to be a bug!Logos 4.5c Release Candidate 1 keeps folder(s) open when creating a new folder.
Confirmed fixed in 4.6; don't know if I ever checked in 4.5c.
BUT the second part of the bug is still there:
fgh said:This bug also occurs when deleting a favorite.
Ann Boyles said:This has been fixed in 4.6a when creating a New Folder and deleting a folder.
No, it's still only partially fixed. Main folders remain open, subfolders still close.
Apologies: using Logos 4.6a SR-1 on OS X 10.8.2, unable to replicate:
Edit: renamed "New Folder" to "62 Mark", then dragged within "Biography & Historical" folder did close "65 Acts" folder. In contrast, created a "New Folder" using Logos 4.6a SR-1 on Windows 7, renamed to "63 Luke", then dragged within "Biography & Historical" folder left "65 Acts" folder open.
Added an item to Feature Parity list => http://wiki.logos.com/Mac_and_PC_User_Interface_Differences#Feature_Parity
- PC Favorites keeps main and sub folders open while dragging to rearrange folders while Mac closes some sub folders
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Apologies: using Logos 4.6a SR-1 on OS X 10.8.2, unable to replicate:
Expanding Visual Filters subfolder, then clicking New Folder. Subfolder collapses:
Expanding Visual Filters subfolder, then deleting New Folder. Subfolder collapses:
Also noticed you seemed to have been able to create a folder directly within another folder, which I thought was still impossible on Mac, so I did some experimenting.
Clicking Filer > Create New Folder created a new folder at the bottom of Favorites, not within the Filer folder where it should have been:
Clicking Visual Filters > Create New Folder created a new folder within the Filer folder, not within the Visual Filters subfolder where it should have been:
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KS4J, does issue a) still work for you, like you claimed it did in 4.5c Beta 3? It never has for me, in any release.
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KS4J, does issue a) still work for you, like you claimed it did in 4.5c Beta 3? It never has for me, in any release.
Using Logos 4.6a SR-1 on OS X 10.8.2, printed a selection using A4 page setting, closed Print/Export, changed location in resource, choose Print/Export, which still has A4 page setting:
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You can drag the folder into a sub folder.
I know, but the whole idea was to not have to do that:
fgh said:What I really would like would be to be able to select a folder before clicking and get the new folder added as a subfolder to that one, instead of at the bottom of the list.
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Using Logos 4.6a SR-1 on OS X 10.8.2, printed a selection using A4 page setting, closed Print/Export, changed location in resource, choose Print/Export, which still has A4 page setting:
So it does for me:
fgh said:(the setting stays put during one session, but reverts to default on restart)
The question was if you can restart and still keep the A4 setting.
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fgh said:fgh said:
(the setting stays put during one session, but reverts to default on restart)
The question was if you can restart and still keep the A4 setting.
Surprisingly No. Also changed System Preferences for default printer to A4 before launching Logos 4.6a SR-1. Personally wish for change to use default page size for the default printer instead of custom (8.5 in x 11 in).
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fgh said:Ann Boyles said:fgh said:
c) Favorites. Every time I open Favorites I have to start by collapsing Bookmarks, so that I get enough space to see the folders.
I was unable to reproduce this in 4.5c Beta 4; once I collapsed the Bookmarks section in my Favorites panel, it persisted that way.
Unfortunately, neither 4.5c nor 4.6 has fixed this for me.
I am unable to reproduce this in 4.6a SR-1.
fgh said:Using Logos 4.6a SR-1 on OS X 10.8.2, printed a selection using A4 page setting, closed Print/Export, changed location in resource, choose Print/Export, which still has A4 page setting:
So it does for me:
fgh said:(the setting stays put during one session, but reverts to default on restart)
The question was if you can restart and still keep the A4 setting.
There is currently an open case for this issue.fgh said:Ah! Now I get it. They seem to have 'forgotten' to add a box for selecting how many copies you want... Smart. So if you want more than one, you either have to click Print several times, or, if you want more than a few, export to pdf instead, so that you can print from there. Well, the solution to that isn't to keep the window open, it's to add that missing box.
There is a case for this issue. I have added a the link to this tread to the case.fgh said:fgh said:fgh said:e) Favorites. When I've finally gotten all folders like I want them, then all I have to do is to click New Folder and, voilà, one or more folders close again!
(Happens very often, but not always.) This one, at least, has got to be a bug!Logos 4.5c Release Candidate 1 keeps folder(s) open when creating a new folder.
Confirmed fixed in 4.6; don't know if I ever checked in 4.5c.
BUT the second part of the bug is still there:
fgh said:This bug also occurs when deleting a favorite.
Ann Boyles said:This has been fixed in 4.6a when creating a New Folder and deleting a folder.
No, it's still only partially fixed. Main folders remain open, subfolders still close.
I have created a case for this issue.
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Brisa Calderon said:fgh said:
c) Favorites. Every time I open Favorites I have to start by collapsing Bookmarks, so that I get enough space to see the folders.
I am unable to reproduce this in 4.6a SR-1.
Weird that you and Ann can't reproduce this, when I have never ever been able not to reproduce it. Have you tried on 10.6? KS4J seems to confirm it on page 1, so it's not just me.
Thanks for creating the other cases. You noticed the post where folders were created in the wrong place? I know Ann created a case for that long ago, but it might need updating, as it turns out it behaves a bit differently that I first thought.
Parity issue?
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fgh said:Brisa Calderon said:fgh said:
c) Favorites. Every time I open Favorites I have to start by collapsing Bookmarks, so that I get enough space to see the folders.
I am unable to reproduce this in 4.6a SR-1.
Weird that you and Ann can't reproduce this, when I have never ever been able not to reproduce it. Have you tried on 10.6? KS4J seems to confirm it on page 1, so it's not just me.
I cannot reproduce this issue either in 4.6a SR-2 using 10.6. I'm not quite sure what kind of information from your system would be useful in trying to track down where the issue lies for you. It is unlikely that there is anything recorded in the logs regarding this behavior. Maybe a screencast?
I tried opening/closing the panel, and quitting/restarting the app with the panel closed and open and the Bookmarks section stayed collapsed each time. Is there anything particular about how you are accessing that panel? From a shortcut or the Command box? A saved layout containing that panel?
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Clicking Filer > Create New Folder created a new folder at the bottom of Favorites, not within the Filer folder where it should have been:
Clicking Visual Filters > Create New Folder created a new folder within the Filer folder, not within the Visual Filters subfolder where it should have been:
fgh said:You noticed the post where folders were created in the wrong place? I know Ann created a case for that long ago, but it might need updating, as it turns out it behaves a bit differently that I first thought.
I updated the case for this.
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I cannot reproduce this issue either in 4.6a SR-2 using 10.6. I'm not quite sure what kind of information from your system would be useful in trying to track down where the issue lies for you. It is unlikely that there is anything recorded in the logs regarding this behavior. Maybe a screencast?
I tried opening/closing the panel, and quitting/restarting the app with the panel closed and open and the Bookmarks section stayed collapsed each time. Is there anything particular about how you are accessing that panel? From a shortcut or the Command box? A saved layout containing that panel?
Sorry for not getting back to you. My inbox has been flooded with a thousand posts a day or so lately, so things get kind of lost...[:)]
You are smarter than I am! I must have always opened from my shortcut. Replaced the shortcut, and it now works as I want! In fact, I can even set it up so that the shortcut opens with Bookmarks collapsed, and Tools>Favorites opens with Bookmarks expanded. How very ironical that one of the issues reported as Logos' bad memory turns out to be caused by Logos having better memory than I expected![:O][:D] Sorry to have wasted your time.[:$]
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Ann Boyles said:fgh said:
b) Library. When I close down with the Library open, I would wish it opened the way I left off, but currently I can't even make my choices stick in a saved layout. E g yesterday I created a specific Layout to create PB's in. It included the Library sorted by Last Updated and had edition:user in the reference box, so that I would only see the PB's -- but, of course, when I next opened it, both of those settings were gone.
I have created a case for this.
Rosie just added her own plea for this at Please remember sort column in Library from session to session.
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fgh said:fgh said:fgh said:
e) Favorites. When I've finally gotten all folders like I want them, then all I have to do is to click New Folder and, voilà, one or more folders close again!
(Happens very often, but not always.) This one, at least, has got to be a bug!Logos 4.5c Release Candidate 1 keeps folder(s) open when creating a new folder.
Confirmed fixed in 4.6; don't know if I ever checked in 4.5c.
BUT the second part of the bug is still there:
fgh said:This bug also occurs when deleting a favorite.
Ann Boyles said:This has been fixed in 4.6a when creating a New Folder and deleting a folder.
No, it's still only partially fixed. Main folders remain open, subfolders still close.
Subfolders closing will be fixed in 4.6b Beta 1 and 5.0b Beta 1 for beta testers, and in general when 4.6b and 5.0b ship to the stable channel.
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Brisa Calderon said:fgh said:
You noticed the post where folders were created in the wrong place? I know Ann created a case for that long ago, but it might need updating, as it turns out it behaves a bit differently that I first thought.
I updated the case for this.
New bug report from Rosie on the same issue: BUG (or design flaw?) - L 5.0a SR-2: Create new folder in Favorites creates sibling not child.
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