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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Sep 13 2012 2:19 PM

In an unrelated thread (http://community.logos.com/forums/p/44253/395169.aspx#395169), there has been some discussion about Logos tagging resources based on the underlying theology and/or denomination.  This has proven a controversial topic in the past, but it seems to me that Logos could easily tag resources for us, using little more than the descriptions they use in marketing.

Someone requested that I post examples of a few tagged resources to show what I mean.  Rather than do this, I thought I would try to create some rules that might work, although individual resources could also be tagged.

Please try to keep comments on this thread constructive.  The rules are only suggestions and I think that they can be greatly improved.  Please refrain from arguments about theology, as this is outside of forum rules.  Thanks.

Logos Theology/Denomination Tag Suggestions - First Draft

Baptist

Author:(“Boyce, James Petigru”, “Erickson, Millard”, “Forlines, Leroy”, “Henry, Carl”, “Lightner, Robert”, “McCune, Rolland”, “Mullins, E. Y.”, “Spurgeon”, “Strong, Augustus Hopkins”) OR Publisher:(“Baptist”, “B&H”, “Holman”)

Southern Baptist

Author:(“Boyce, James Petigru”, “Mullins, E.Y.”) OR Publisher:(“B&H”, “Holman”)

Anabaptist

Author:(“Finger, Thomas”) OR Publisher:(”Herald Press”)

Lutheran

Author:(“Lenski”, “Leupold”, “Luther, Martin”) OR Publisher:(“Concordia”, “Northwestern Publishing House”)

Wesleyan

Author:(“Clarke, Adam”, “Miley, John”, “Pope, William Burt”, “Wesley, Charles”, “Wesley, John”) OR Publisher:(“Beacon”, “Wesleyan”)

Reformed

Author:(“Bavinck”, “Berkhof”, “Boice, James Montgomery”, “Calvin, John”, “Culver, Robert”, “Dabney, Robert Lewis”, “Hendriksen”, “Hodge, Archibald Alexander”, “Lloyd-Jones, Martyn”, “MacArthur, John”, “Muller, Richard”, “Murray, Andrew”, “Reymond, Robert”, “Shedd, William”, “Smith, Morton”, “Sproul”, “Vos, Geerhardus”) OR Publisher:(“Day One”, “Evangelical Press”, “Ligonier”, “Multnomah”, “Reformation Trust”)

Pentecostal

Publisher:(“L.I.F.E. Bible College”)

Dispensational

Author:(“Chafer, Lewis Sperry”, “Ryrie, Charles Caldwell”)

Episcopal/Anglican

Author:(“Hall, Francis”, “Stott, John”, “Wright, N.T.”) OR Publisher:(“SPCK”) OR Abbrev:(“CPC”)

Roman Catholic

Author:(“Armstrong, Dave”, “Balthasar”, “Guarino, Thomas”, “Hunter, Sylvester Joseph”, “Pohle”, “Ratzinger”) OR Publisher:(“Herder”, “Ignatius”, “Libreria Editrice Vaticana”, “Liturgical Press”, “The Encyclopedia Press”, “United States Conference of Catholic Bishops”)

Early Catholic

Author:(“Aquinas”, “Thérèse of Lisieux”, “St. John of the Cross”) OR Abbrev:(“ACCS”, “ANF”, “NPNF”)

Jewish

Publisher:(“Jewish Publication Society”)

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Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 13 2012 2:32 PM

I love the idea, it could prove very useful. However, I don't think Logos is interested in getting involved in this because it's potentially controversial, and would add overhead to their publishing processes. Thankfully, the tools are already there (collections) for us to do it ourselves, and I think this is a great project for the community to pick up and put on the Wiki.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 13 2012 2:32 PM

Pretty nifty, Andrew.

OK ... I'll take back EVERYTHING I said.

I DO think the approach you used above is very good. A user can apply the definitions as desired (not forced on them).

I will be keeping your work; if you update, I hope you'll share.


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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 13 2012 3:29 PM

Andrew Baguley:

Episcopal/Anglican

Author:(“Hall, Francis”, “Stott, John”, “Wright, N.T.”) OR Publisher:(“SPCK”) OR Abbrev:(“CPC”)

I would change to:

Author:("Alford, Henry",“Hall, Francis”, “Stott, John”, “Wright, N.T.”) OR Publisher:(“SPCK”) OR Abbrev:(“CPC”)

Andrew Baguley:

Roman Catholic

Author:(“Armstrong, Dave”, “Balthasar”, “Guarino, Thomas”, “Hunter, Sylvester Joseph”, , “Ratzinger”) OR Publisher:(“Herder”, “Ignatius”, “Libreria Editrice Vaticana”, “Liturgical Press”, “The Encyclopedia Press”, “United States Conference of Catholic Bishops”)

I would change to:

Author:(“Armstrong, Dave”, “Balthasar”,"Brown, Raymond", "Chesterton, G. K.","Cornelius À Lapide","Green, Barbara",“Guarino, Thomas”,"Haydock, George", “Hunter, Sylvester Joseph”,"Pilch, John","MacEvilly" , “Ratzinger”) OR Publisher:("George Routledge",“Herder”, “Ignatius”, “Libreria Editrice Vaticana”, “Liturgical Press”,"Pontifical Biblical Institute", “The Encyclopedia Press”, “United States Conference of Catholic Bishops”) OR Title:"The Papal"

Andrew Baguley:

Early Catholic

Author:(“Aquinas”, “Thérèse of Lisieux”, “St. John of the Cross”) OR Abbrev:(“ACCS”, “ANF”, “NPNF”)

I don't know where the cutoff is between the two Catholics, but attempting to keep the distinction I would change this to

Author:("Anselm of Canterbury",“Aquinas”,"Bede","Benedict of Nursia","Cyril of Alexandria","Origen","Teresa of Avila","Theodore of Mopsuestia", “Thérèse of Lisieux”, “St. John of the Cross”) OR Abbrev:(“ACCS”, “ANF”, “NPNF”)

I'd add Restoration Movement:

Author:("Lucado, Max") OR Publisher:("Standard")

That's my first cut at refining. I know I'll have more.

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Eric Fary | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 13 2012 3:48 PM

This looks pretty accurate.  It is not exhaustive, but it definitely helps someone wade through all of the books and get an idea of each's corpus.  I myself, being Reformed/ Baptist have enjoyed reading the catholic collection.  I didn't know who the authors were in that until I did more research.  It is good for many reasons, most of all being those that posit a particular stance, are noted for that denomination.  Obviously, not totally orthodoxically representative of that particular denomination of faith, but a good indicator.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 13 2012 3:51 PM

Excluding what I have hidden, this is my library profile. I'm sure it can be improved in terms of narrowing the "beat's me/I don't know/unclassified" portion:

Logos4catholics Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 13 2012 6:25 PM

This is a great start! I think it would make a great wiki page for people to add to.

Andrew Baguley:

Lutheran

Author:(“Lenski”, “Leupold”, “Luther, Martin”) OR Publisher:(“Concordia”, “Northwestern Publishing House”)

I would revise that to pick up a few more titles:

title:lutheran OR subject:lutheran OR author:("H. C. Leupold", "Martin Luther", "Gene Edward Veith") OR publisher:(augsburg, fortress, concordia, "Northwestern Publishing House","Lutheran Publication Society")

Note that you don't have to put quotes around something that is just one word with no spaces in it. And I omitted Lenski, because he gets picked up by the additional Lutheran publishers I listed.

You can also check out the resources Logos has identified as belonging to a particular theological/denominational group. For example,

http://www.logos.com/products/search?Christian+Group=Lutheran

These are the groups they list on the left sidebar of their Products page, if you click More to expand:

Their tagging of resources is by no means complete.

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 14 2012 2:59 AM

This all looks good and we could spend quite some time honing it between us.  My post was to make it look doable, and potentially useful.

However, my basic point is that Logos are willing to label resources for marketing purposes, as Rosie points out, so my request is that they simply add these tags to the actual resources within Logos and create collections based on them, thus saving hundreds or thousands of us creating these collections for ourselves.  The question of what to label resources is addressed by someone before resources are marketed, and I'm not suggesting that all resources should necessarily be labelled.  I don't think labels should be exclusive, so that a resource can only fall in one category.  (They're currently not exclusive when used for marketing purposes.)  If Logos did this, then suggestions for additional tags, or mistakes, could be added to the wiki, just as with other suggested changes regarding categorisation (possibly at http://wiki.logos.com/Metadata_correction_proposals or on its own webpage).  It is an extra feature, but I think it could be really helpful, and Logos implementing it could save many people having to duplicate the work.

Until they do, it's probably worth keeping suggestions coming.

Thanks for all the constructive comments so far.

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 10 2013 3:12 PM

As it looks like Logos are unlikely to do this any time soon, I thought I'd have a go at updating the rules.  They're still far from perfect, so please keep suggestions/corrections coming.  The latest list, largely based on Logos' own labelling for marketing purposes, looks like this:

Baptist

Author:(“Anders, Max”, “Batten, Samuel Zane”, “Boyce, James Petigru”, “Brand, Chad Owen”, “Brisco, Thomas V.”, “Broadus, John Albert”, “Bush, L. Russ”, “Butler, Trent C.”, “Cabal, Ted”, “Cadenhead, Al”, “Caner, Emir”, “Caner, Ergun”, “Chapman, Morris”, “Collinson, Sylvia”, “Copan, Paul”, “Corley, Bruce”, “Cox, Stephen L.”, “Crosby, Thomas”, “Dagg, John L.”, “Dallimore, Arnold”, “Dockery, David S.”, “Draper, James T.”, “Easley, Kendell H.”, “Erickson, Millard”, “Fitts, Leroy”, “Forlines, Leroy”, “Fortner, Don”, “George, Timothy”, “Hankins, David E.”, “Henry, Carl”, “Henry, Jim”, “Hester, Hubert I.”, “Hixson, J. B.”, “Hobbs, Herschel”, “Holmes, Michael W”, “Keathley, Kenneth”, “Larkin, Clarence”, “Lawson, Steven J.”, “Lemke, Steve W.”, “Lightner, Robert”, “Lovejoy, Grant I.”, “MacArthur, John F.”, “MacLaren, Alexander”, “Martin, Albert N.”, “Martin, Steve”, “McBeth, H. Leon”, “McCune, Rolland”, “Mobley, Kendal P.”, “Montgomery, Helen Barrett”, “Mullins, E. Y.”, “Nettles, Tom J.”, “Norman, R. Stanton”, “Olford, Stephen”, “Paschal, H. Franklin”, “Picirilli, Robert E.”, “Piper, John”, “Polhill, John B.”, “Robertson, Archibald T.”, “Sabou, Sorin”, “Schreiner, Thomas R.”, “Sherman, Cecil”, “Spurgeon”, “Staats, Gary”, “Stanley, Charles”, “Strong, Augustus Hopkins”, “Summers, Ray”, “West, Jim”, “Wise, Kurt P.”, “Wright, Shawn D.”, “Wright, Stephen I.”) OR Publisher:(“Baptist”, “B&H”, “Holman”, “Randall House”, “Reformed Baptist Theological Review”, “Roger Williams Heritage Archive”)

Southern Baptist

Author:(“Boyce, James Petigru”, “Brand, Chad Owen”, “Brisco, Thomas V.”, “Broadus, John Albert”, “Bush, L. Russ”, “Cabal, Ted”, “Caner, Emir”, “Caner, Ergun”, “Chapman, Morris”, “Cox, Stephen L.”, “Dockery, David S.”, “Draper, James T.”, “Easley, Kendell H.”, “Fitts, Leroy”, “George, Timothy”, “Hankins, David E.”, “Henry, Jim”, “Hester, Hubert I.”, “Hobbs, Herschel”, “Keathley, Kenneth”, “McBeth, H. Leon”, “Mullins, E.Y.”, “Nettles, Tom J.”, “Norman, R. Stanton”, “Paschal, H. Franklin”, “Robertson, Archibald T.”, “Schreiner, Thomas R.”, “Sherman, Cecil”, “Stanley, Charles”, “Summers, Ray”, “Wise, Kurt P.”, “Wright, Shawn D.”) OR Publisher:(“B&H”, “Holman”)

Anabaptist

Author:(“Finger, Thomas”, “Simons, Menno”) OR Publisher:(”Herald Press”, “Mennonite”)

Lutheran

Author:(“Arand, Charles P.”, “Becker, Matthew L.”, “Bonhoeffer, Dietrich”, “Dorner, Isaak August”, “Engelbrecht, Edward A.”, “Gerhard, Johann”, “Gritsch, Eric W.”, “Hinlicky, Paul R.”, “Jeske, John C.”, “Jungel, Eberhard”, “Kittleson, James M.”, “Kolb, Robert”, “Kysar, Robert”, “Lenski”, “Leupold”, “Luther, Martin”, “Michel, Walter L.”, “Nestingen, James A.”, “Richard, James W.”, “Schramm, Brooks”, “Spener, Philip Jacob”, “Steinmann, Andrew E.”, “Stjerna, Kirsi I.”, “Torvend, Samuel”, “Valentine, Milton”, “Wengert, Timothy J.”) OR Publisher:(“Concordia”, “Northwestern Publishing House”)

Arminian-Wesleyan

Author:(“Abraham, William J.”, “Arminius”, “Beet, J. A.”, “Brower, Kent”, “Carter, Charles W.”, “Clarke, Adam”, “Coleson, Joseph”, “Colon-Emeric, Edgardo A.”, “DeNeff, Steve”,“Drury, Keith”, “Fletcher, John”, “Green, Joel B.”, “Grotius, Hugo”, “Harrison, Nick”, “Hartley, J. E.”, “Hurlbut, J. L.”, “Johnson, Derric”, “Lawson, John”, “Leroy, Matt”, “Lynn, Jack”, “Lyons, George”, “Marshall, I. H.”, “Mellish, Kevin J.”, “McIntosh, Gary L.”, “Miley, John”, “Pope, William Burt”, “Raymond, Miner”, “Rotz, Carol”, “Schmidt, Wayne”, “Shelton, R. L.”, “Summers, Jeremy”, “Terry, M. S.”, “Toler, Stan”, “Watson, David F.”, “Watson, Richard”, “Wesley, Charles”, “Wesley, John”, “Whedon, D. D.”, “Whitesel, Bob”, “Wilson, Earle”, “Wilson, Norman G.”) OR Publisher:(“Beacon”, “Wesleyan”)

Reformed

Author:(“Alexander, Archibald”, “Bannerman, James”, “Barnhouse, Donald Grey”, “Bavinck, Herman”, “Baxter, Richard”, “Beecher, Lyman”, “Beeke, Joel R.”, “Berkhof, Louis”, “Berkouwer, G. C.”, “Bierma, Lyle D.”, “Boettner, Loraine”, “Boice, James Montgomery”, “Bradford, John”, “Brakel, Wilhelmus”, “Breckinridge, Robert J.”, “Brown, John”, “Bullinger, Henry”, “Bunyan, John”, “Calvin, John”, “Chafer, Lewis Sperry”, “Chapell, Bryan”, “Clarkson, David”, “Culver, Robert”, “Dabney, Robert Lewis”, “De Kroon, Marijn”, “Doriani, Daniel M.”, “Duguid, Iain M.”, “Ferguson, Sinclair B.”, “Fields, Paul W.”, “Finlayson, T. Campbell”, “Finney, Charles”, “Flavel, John”, “Gage, Warren A.”, “Gerhart, Emanuel Vogel”, “Good, James I.”, “Hawker, Robert”, “Heck, Sebastian”, “Hegeman, David”, “Hendriksen, William”, “Hodge, Archibald Alexander”, “Hodge, Charles”, “Horne, Mark”, “Horton, Michael S.”, “Hyde, Daniel R.”, “Jackson, L. Charles”, “Jacomb, Thomas”, “Kistemaker, Simon”, “Knox, John”, “Kuyper, Abraham”, “Lawson, Steven J.”, “Lillback, Peter A.”, “Lloyd-Jones, Martyn”, “Maag, Karin”, “MacArthur, John”, “MacPherson, John”, “Manton, Thomas”, “Marshall, Walter”, “Martin, Albert N.”, “Martin, Steve”, “Meyers, Jeffrey”, “Muller, Richard”, “Murray, Andrew”, “Olevianus, Casper”, “Owen, John”, “Packer, J. I.”, “Payne, Jon D.”, “Phillips, Richard D.”, “Pink, A. W.”, “Piper, John”, “Reymond, Robert L.”, “Ridderbos, Herman”, “Ridgley, Thomas”, “Rushdoony, Rousas John”, “Rutherford, Samuel”, “Ryken, Philip Graham”, “Schaff, Philip”, “Scott, J. Julius”, “Shedd, William”, “Smith, Morton”, “Smith, Ralph A.”, “Smyth, Thomas”, “Sproul, R. C.”, “Spurgeon, Charles H.”, “Thomas, Derek W. H.”, “Thornwell, Hames Henley”, “Toplady, Augustus M.”, “Turretin, Francis”, “Usher, James”, “Van Til, Corrnelius”, “Vincent, Marvin”, “Vos, Geerhardus”, “Waltke, Bruce K.”, “Warfield, Benjamin B.”, “Westminster Assembly”, “Wikner, Benjamin K.”, “Wilkins, Steve”, “Witsius, Herman”, “Zwingli”) OR Publisher:(“Day One”, “Evangelical Press”, “Ligonier”, “Multnomah”, “P&R Publishing”, “Reformation Trust”)

Presbyterian

Author:(“Alexander, Archibald”, “Bannerman, James”, “Barnhouse, Donald Grey”, “Beecher, Lyman”, “Boettner, Loraine”, “Boice, James Montgomery”, “Breckinridge, Robert J.”, “Brown, John”, “Chafer, Lewis Sperry”, “Chapell, Bryan”, “Dabney, Robert Lewis”, “Doriani, Daniel M.”, “Duguid, Iain M.”, “Ferguson, Sinclair B.”, “Finney, Charles”, “Flavel, John”, “Gage, Warren A.”, “Heck, Sebastian”, “Hegeman, David”, “Hodge, Archibald Alexander”, “Hodge, Charles”, “Horne, Mark”, “Jackson, L. Charles”, “Knox, John”, “Lillback, Peter A.”, “MacPherson, John”, “Marshall, Walter”, “Meyers, Jeffrey”, “Payne, Jon D.”, “Phillips, Richard D.”, “Reymond, Robert”, “Rutherford, Samuel”, “Ryken, Philip Graham”, “Scott, J. Julius”, “Shedd, William”, “Smith, Morton”, “Smith, Ralph A.”, “Smyth, Thomas”, “Sproul, R. C.”, “Thomas, Derek W. H.”, “Thornwell, Hames Henley”, “Van Til, Corrnelius”, “Vincent, Marvin”, “Vos, Geerhardus”, “Warfield, Benjamin B.”, “Wikner, Benjamin K.”, “Wilkins, Steve”) OR Publisher:(“Ligonier”, “P&R Publishing”, “Presbyterian”, “Reformation Trust”)

Pentecostal

Author:(“Bartel, Leroy”, “Bicket, Zenas”, “Cotton, Roger”, “Duffield, Guy”, “Ford, Johnny”, “Hayford, Jack”, “Hernando, James”, “Horton, Stanley”, “McClaflin, Mike”, “McGee, Gary”, “Moller, F. P.”, “Newberry, Annette”, “Synan, Vinson”, “Taylor, Cheryl”) OR Publisher:(“L.I.F.E. Bible College”)

Dispensational

Author:(“Chafer, Lewis Sperry”, “Ryrie, Charles Caldwell”)

Anglican/Episcopalian

Author:(“Andrewes, Lancelot”, “Avis, Paul”, “Benham, William”, “Blunt, John Henry”, “Bradford, John”, “Bray, Gerald R.”, “Bubbers, Susan I.”, “Bull, George”, “Chapman, Mark”, “Cranmer, Thomas”, “Duncombe, Augustus”, “Faber, G.S.”, “Farrar, Frederic William”, “Fenwick, John”, “Gore, Charles”, “Grant, F. W.”, “Hall, Francis”, “Hatch, Edwin”, “Holmes, Christopher R. J.”, “Hooker, Richard”, “Ketley, Joseph”, “Law, William”, “Liddon, Henry Parry”, “Lightfoot, J. B.”, “McGrath, Alister”, “Members of the University of Oxford”, “Monro, Edward A.”, “Oakley, Nigel”, “Olden, Thomas”, “Packer, J.I.”, “Paley, William”, “Powys, David”, “Pusey, Edward”, “Rawlinson, George”, “Ridley, Nicholas”, “Ryle J. C.”, “Simeon, Charles”, “Stanley, Arthur Penrhyn”, “Stone, Darwell”, “Stott, John”, “Taylor, Jeremy”, “Titley, Robert”, “Toplady, Augustus M.”, “Ward, Robin”, “Wilberforce, William”, “Wright, J. Robert”, “Wright, N.T.”) OR Publisher:(“SPCK”) OR Abbrev:(“CPC”)

Roman Catholic

Author:(“a Lapide, Cornelius”, “Acklin, Thomas”, “Althann, Robert”, “Armstrong, Dave”, “Bachiochi, Erika”, “Bachofen, Charles Augustine”, “Baldini, Ugo”, “Barber, Michael”, “Barron, Robert”, “Bean, Danielle”, “Beckwith, Francis J.”, “Benedict XV”, “Benedict XVI”, “Benedictine Monks”, “Bergant, Dianne”, “Blanchette, Oliva”, “Blenkinsopp, Joseph”, “Bossis, Gabrielle”, “Bransfield, J. Brian”, “Breen, A. E.”, “Brother Lawrence”, “Brown, Raymond Edward”, “Buckley, Theodore Alois”, “Burke, Daniel”, “Burns, Helena R.”, “Butler, Alban”, “Byles, R. D.”, “Byrne, Brendan”, “Carlen, Claudia”, “Cataneo, Pascal”, “Catholic Biblical Association”, “Catholic Church”, “Christmyer, Sarah”, “Coffin, Patrick”, “Collins, Adela Y.”, “Collins, John J.”, “Collins, Raymond F.”, “Congar, Yves”, “Cunningham, Lawrence S.”, “Dahood, Mitchell”, “Dalton, William Jospeh”, “de Caussade, Jean Pierre”, “de Chantal, Jane Frances”, “de Sales, Francis”, “De Vogue, Adalbert”, “Deferrari, Roy J.”, “DeMarco, Donald”, “Denzinger, Henry”, “Dimech-Juchniewicz, Jean”, “Donahue, John R.”, “Dubay, Thomas”, “Emmerich, Anne Catherine”, “Fiore, Benjamin”, “Fiorenza, Francis Schussler”, “Fitzgerald, Allan D.”,  “Fitzmyer, Joseph A.”, “Flaherty, Regis J.”, “Franklin, Carmela Vircillo”, “Frisk, M. Jean”, “Fry, Timothy”, “Galvin, John P.”, “Gan, Eugene”, “Giblin, Charles Homer”, “Gigot, F. E. C.”, “Glavich, Mary Kathleen”, “Granados, Carlos”, “Granados, Jose”, “Gray, Philip C. L.”, “Gray, Timothy”, “Grech, Prosper”, “Guarino, Thomas”, “Hahn, Scott”, “Harrington, Daniel J.”, “Harrington, Wilfrid J.”, “Hartin, Patrick J.”, “Haydock, George Leo”, “Healy, Mary”, “Heil, John Paul”, “Hermes, Kathryn J.”, “Herron, Thomas”, “Himes, Kenneth R.”, “Hitchcock, James”, “Hoeck, Andreas”, “Hunter, Sylvester Joseph”, “Hurd, R. Scott”, “Jacques, Xavier”, “John of the Cross”, “John Paul I”, “John Paul II”, “John XXIII”, “Johnson, Lawrence J.”, “Johnson, Luke Timothy”, “Jurgens, William A.”, “Kardong, Terrence G.”, “Karris, Robert J.”, “Keating, Daniel”, “Ker, Ian”, “Knecht, Frederick Justus”, “Kosanke, Charles G.”, “Kreeft, Peter”, “Kurz, William S.”, “Lambrecht, Jan”, “Landon, Edward H.”, “Launderville, Dale”, “Leiva-Merikakis, Erasmo”, “Leo XIII”, “Liesen, Jan”, “Likoudis, James”, “Maas, A. J.”, “MacDonald, Margaret Y.”, “MacEvilly, John”, “Maloney, Francis J.”, “Mann, Horace Kinder”, “Marks, Frederick W.”, “Martin, Curtis”, “Martin, Mary Peter”, “Martin, Michaelann”, “Martinez, Luis Maria”, “Matera, Frank J.”, “Mattison III, William C.”, “May, William E.”, “McCarthy, David Matzko”, “McGovern, James J.”, “McNabb, Vincent”, “McNamara, Martin”, “Meier, John P.”, “Melina, Livio”, “Miletic, Stephen Francis”, “Miller II, Robert D.”, “Mitch, Curtis”, “Mitch, Stacy”, “Mitchell, Alan C.”, “Moloney, Francis J.”, “Montague, George T.”, “Morrow, Thomas G.”, “Newman, John Henry”, “Neyrey, Jerome H.”, “Nichols, Aidan”, “O’Brien, John”, “O’Connor, James T.”, “Orchard, Bernard”, “Ott, Ludwig”, “Panikulam, George”, “Pascal, Blaise”, “Pastor, Ludwig”, “Paul VI”, “Pecknold, C. C.”, “Percy, Anthony”, “Peters, Edward N.”, “Pimentel, Stephen”, “Pius X”, “Pius XI”, “Pius XII”, “Pohle, Joseph”, “Ponessa, Joseph”, “Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite”, “Ratzinger, Joseph”, “Ray, Stephen K.”, “Richard, Earl J.”, “Ryan, Judith M.”, “Sanchez-Navarro, Luis”, “Schillebeecx, Edward”, “Schonborn, Christoph”, “Schroeder, H. J.”, “Schindler, David L.”, “Schreck, Alan”, “Senior, Donald”, “Shea, John Gilmary”, “Sievers, Joseph”, “Sirois, Celia”, “Sloyan, Gerard S.”, “Sofie, J. Francis”, “Somers, Gayle”, “Spicq, Ceslas”, “Spruit, Leen”, “Sri, Edward”, “St. Alphonsus Liguori”, “St. Cyril of Alexandria”, “St. Ignatius of Loyola”, “St. Lawrence of Brindisi”, “St. Peter Canisius”, “St. Robert Bellarmine”, “Stanley, David Michael”, “Stegman, Thomas D.”, “Stravinskas, Peter M. J.”, “Sullivan, John F.”, “Suprenant, Leon J.”, “Teresa of Avila”, “The Daughters of St. Paul”, “Thein, John”, “Thérèse of Lisieux”, “Turner, James”, “Tylenda, Joseph N.”, “University of Navarre”, “von Balthasar, Hans Urs”, “von Hefele, Charles Joseph”, “von Hildebrand, Dietrich”, “Waldstein, Michael”, “Wehner, James A.”, “Weinandy, Thomas G.”, “West, Christopher”, “Whitehead, Kenneth D.”, “Williamson, Peter S.”, “Woywod, Stanislaus”, “Yocum, John P.”, “Zeno, Katrina J.”) OR Publisher:(“Benziger Brothers”, “Editrice Pontificio Istituto Biblico”, “Emmaus Road Publishing”, “Herder”, “Ignatius”, “Libreria Editrice Vaticana”, “Liturgical Press”, “Pauline Books & Media”, “Pontifical Biblical Institute”, “The Catholic Publication Society”, “The Encyclopedia Press”, “United States Conference of Catholic Bishops”)

Pre-Reformation

Author:(“Abelard, Peter”, “Aquinas”, “Augustine of Hippo”, “Bede”, “Boethius”, “Catherine of Siena”, “Eusebius”, “Heloise”, “Hippolytus”, “Hugh of St. Victor”, “Isidore of Seville”, “Jacques de Vitry”, “John Chrysostom”, “Melito of Sardis”, “Origen”, “Richard Rolle”, “St. Albert the Great”, “St. Anselm of Canterbury”, “St. Anthony of Padua and Lisbon”, “St. Basil the Great”, “St. Benedict of Nursia”, “St. Bernard of Clairvaux”, “St. Bonaventure”, “St. Catherine of Siena”, “St. Cyprian of Carthage”, “St. Cyril of Jerusalem”, “St. Francis Assisi”, “St. Gregory of Nyssa”, “St. Gregory the Great”, “St. Jerome”, “St. John Chrysostom”, “St. John Damascene”, “Tertullian”, “Thomas à Kempis”) OR Abbrev:(“ACCS”, “ANF”, “NPNF”)

Jewish

Publisher:(“Jewish Publication Society”)

Plymouth Brethren

Author:(“C. H. Mackintosh”)

Seventh-day Adventist

Author:(“Anderson, Bruce”, “Fayard, Carlos”, “Harding IV, George T.”, “Hernandez, Barbara Couden”, “Knight, George R.”, “LaRondelle, Hans K.”, “Rice, Richard”, “Smith, Uriah”) OR Publisher:(“Andrews University Press”, “Review and Herald Publishing Association”, “Seventh-day Adventist Publishing Association”)

Orthodox

Author:(“Clendenin, Daniel B”) OR Publisher:(“St. Vladimir's Seminary Press”)

Fundamentalist

Author:(“Butler John G.”, “Custer, Stewart”, “Gaebelein, Arno”, “Ironside, H. A.”, “Pink, Arthur Walkington”, “Steveson, Peter A.”, “Torrey, R. A.”, “Trumbull, Henry Clay”)

Puritan

Author:(“Baxter, Richard”, “Beeke, Joel R.”, “Brook, Benjamin”, “Brooks, Thomas”, “Bunyan, John”, “Charnock, Stephen”, “Edwards, Jonathan”, “Flavel, John”, “Goodwin, Thomas”, “Hopkins, Ezekiel”, “Howe, John”, “Jacomb, Thomas”, “Manton, Thomas”, “Neal, Daniel”, “Owen, John”, “Packer, J. I.”, “Ridgley, Thomas”, “Scougal, Henry”, “Scudder, Henry”, “Sibbes, Richard”, “Swinnock, George”, “Traill, Robert”, “Ussher, James”) OR Publisher:(“Richard Owen Roberts”)

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Gerald Kapanka | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 10 2013 3:47 PM

Thank you for all the work you did in putting this together for us.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 10 2013 5:00 PM

Thank you. Nicely done.

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 10 2013 5:32 PM

I like this - can we use these rules to assign tags - or to just build collections?

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 10 2013 5:42 PM

This is all very helpful.  Thanks everyone for sharing ideas.

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Don Awalt | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 10 2013 6:11 PM

Floyd Johnson:

I like this - can we use these rules to assign tags - or to just build collections?

You could use it to assign tags, but I think it might be very tedious - you can't just copy and paste the author list of some of the larger sets into the Library Filter box, it will truncate the list; so you would need to add them manually.

That said, I think the biggest reason to use it for Collections, is that collections are dynamic - if you add future resources by authors in the list, they will automatically go into the correct Collections. Whereas if you did set up tags, they are static  and you would have to manually checxk to see if new resources need to be tagged.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 10 2013 6:16 PM

Andrew, thank you so much for doing this. Very helpful indeed!

Since you are continuing to hone these rules, some feedback...

First, you acknowledged my suggestion in this post but then didn't incorporate my suggested changes to pick up more Lutheran titles.

Also, some suggested improvements to your Anabaptist rule because it misses some books that I have in my library and that are tagged Anabaptist by Logos on their website.

Andrew Baguley:

Anabaptist

Author:(“Finger, Thomas”, “Simons, Menno”) OR Publisher:(”Herald Press”, “Mennonite”)

Additions marked in bold, and "Anabaptis" isn't a typo! (See below.)

Author:(“Finger, Thomas”, “Simons, Menno”) OR Publisher:(”Herald Press”, “Mennonite”) OR Title:(Anabaptis, Mennonite)

That will pick up these additional titles that didn't match your rule:

It's quicker doing it that way than listing every author individually, though you could if you prefer as all those authors have only one book each in Logos (thus far) so it won't pick up unwanted ones.

And I'll repeat and elaborate on my comment from the previous post: I wrote, "Note that you don't have to put quotes around something that is just one word with no spaces in it." Actually, if you want that word to match other words forms (e.g., Mennonite or Mennonites; Anabaptist, Anabaptism, Anabaptists) you must not put quotes around it. Hence my inclusion of only the partial word Anabaptis and no quotes, so it will match all three.

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 10 2013 6:46 PM

Rosie Perera:
First, you acknowledged my suggestion in this post but then didn't incorporate my suggested changes to pick up more Lutheran titles.

The problem is that while Augsburg-Fortress is the publishing house of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, it does not just publish Lutheran works, and so would provide many false positives, so to speak.  Systematic Theology: Roman Catholic Perspectives by Galvin and Schuessler-Fiorenza, for example, is not Lutheran, even if it is a good book...  They publish a lot of Brueggemann, and he is UCC, and not technically Lutheran.  Heck, Moltmann is technically not Lutheran either - my understanding is that he has been a member of the Union Church in Germany and then moved to German Reformed.

On the other hand, Concordia and Northwestern Publishing houses do have a doctrinal review process to make sure that what they publish is according to the faith their bodies confess...

SDG

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 11 2013 12:57 AM

Thanks for that explanation, Ken.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 11 2013 5:29 AM

OK, so where will the final list be kept? [Files, wiki, elsewhere?] [leaving the last list here does not seem to be an option] 

Also, it was stated, by Don Awalt, "that collections are dynamic" BUT "you can't just copy and paste the author list of some of the larger sets into the Library Filter box, it will truncate the list"

Work a round: Instead of one very long list what if the "final" list have shorter groups that could be used to make a collection by the 'copy and paste' method.

For example: the current Baptist 'set' is ten lines long [as I see it on my screen]
So we break that list up into ten sections [or more as I don't know what the limit is to a collection rule]
Baptist 00 though Baptist 10 [list zero though nine as 00 01 - 07 08 09 so that they sort correctly or sets x1, x2, x10 will sort as x1, x10, x2 but sets y01, y02, y10 will sort y01, y02, y10, 1 2 0 [digits] are seen as letters not numbers in the sort]

Yes, we would need several collections to cover each denomination but we need to work within the limitations of our tools [i.e. Logos] [ten sets for the Baptist and thirty one sets for the Catholic]  [Not ideal but usable]

Also as new authors or publishing houses are added then additional sets can be added at the end of the list section without editing a working set.

Also Ken McGuire makes a good point that we need to consider:
Triggering off his comments [i.e. not quoting] not all publishing houses are "pure" and that authors change or are just not easily classifiable [maybe as Generic Christian?].

This will not help us in deciding what to buy but will advise us what we are looking at that we already have.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 11 2013 7:30 AM

In the list for Seventh-day Adventist you need to add something to the effect of:     author:white, ellen, subject:ellen white writings

The above gives me 404 resources.

Cannot figure out how to incorporate into the Collection for Seventh-day Adventist.

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John Brumett | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 11 2013 7:41 AM

Under Dispensational I would add or include these authors:

Allen, Ronald; Bailey, Mark; Campbell, Donald K; Chafer, Lewis Sperry; Cone, Christopher; DeHaan, M. R.; Derickson, Gary; Dillow, Joseph; Larkin, Clarence; Dyer, Charles H.; Farstad, Author; Fruchtenbaum, Gaebelein, Arno C.; Garland, Anthony; Arnold; Geisler, Norman L.; Gingrich, Roy E.;  Gromacki, Robert; Hartman, Fred; Hindson, Edward;  Hitchcock, Mark; Hodges, Zane; Hoehner, Harold; House, H. Wayne; Johnston, Wendell; Hughes, R. Kent; Ironside, H.A.; Jensen, Irving; Harold; Karleen, Keathley, J. Hampton; Paul S.; Kreloff, Steven A.;  Kroll, Woodrow; LaHaye, Tim; Levy, David M.;  Lightner, Robert P.;  Merrill, Eugene; Lopez, René; Lutzer, Erwin W.;  Malphurs, Aubrey; Mayhue, Richard L. ; McGee, J. Vernon; McKenzie, Marni Shideler; McQuaid, Elwood; Merrill, Eugene H.;  Mills, M. S.;  Morris, Henry M.; Olander, David; Pentecost, J. Dwight; Pfeiffer, Charles; Radmacher, Earl D; Rosscup, James; Ryrie, Charles; Scofield, C. I.;  Showers, Renald E.;  Stanley, Charles F.; Strauss, Richard L.; Swindoll, Charles R; Talbot, Louis T.;  Thiessen, Henry Clarence; Thomas, Robert; Trahan, Kerry.;  Unger, Merrill F.;  Varner, William; Walvoord, John F.;  Water, Mark; Waymeyer, Matthew; Wilkin, Robert; Willmington, Harold L.;  Zuck, Roy B.

There are also other authors in the Everyman Bible Commentary Series.    

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