Logos 4 Philosophy
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Bob Pritchett said:
The good news is that we put an automatic update feature into the product for a reason. Every 4.1 / 4.2 etc. feature that matches a 3.0 feature will be available as a free "happens automatically in the night" upgrade, and we'll try to roll them out as quickly as possible.
Bob Pritchett said:Monday/Tuesday you'll get Beta 2. It should (hopefully!) arrive through the "BITS" service, downloaded as a low priority background thread with smart stopping/restoring when you are offline/online, etc. I believe you'll need to start the app after this update is available in order to initiate this download, and then start it up one more time to initiate the install after the download. This release will also include the first drop of the resource downloading code, which will update and download resources in the background.
Things that happen quietly in the night are my biggest concern. I need to know their size as they will affect available space in both System and, if implemented as promised, Resource partitions. The smart aspect is great but I need the ability to refuse/delay a download whilst I remain online for other tasks [this may be covered by "turning off Internet Use"].
I'm very much concerned that I will have a huge download and no way to initiate installation if it stalls before that point, or no effective way to clear it out if corrupted.
You really need to allay this concern for me, Bob. Everything else about the product, its suitability for bible study, its current lack of features and the unexpected bugs absolutely pale in the background in comparison --> provided you get the Prioritize feature to work.
Dave
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Bob,
I just want to say "thank you," for explaining all that you did. A good many of the "improvements" are not necessarily things that I have used in the past, but am excited about how they can be implemented. Looking forward to the forthcoming releases and THANK YOU and the Logos staff for all the hard work....now when was that release date that you mentioned?[:D]
Charlene
Charlene
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Bob Pritchett said:Philip Spitzer said:
I must admit that I was think today is seems like Logos is moving more towards library features and less towards
Bible Study.Internally, we think we're moving completely towards Bible study. We're trying to put more and stronger Bible study support into the product precisely because we're worried that the Kindle, iPhone, Google books, etc. are all making "digital books" common and cheap. We're trying to build ever more powerful tools for Bible study.
I have no idea what you mean here, Philip! I'm finding L4 to be a powerful tool for Bible study and am expecting it to become more so.
In response to Bob's post of today at 12:26am, here's my tuppenceworth. I'm not sure, Bob, what you were picking up to lead you to believe that everyone is really unhappy with the new tools - this certainly does not include me.
L4b1 is a great start and I look forward to seeing what else is coming down the pipeline. There is too much missing to migrate over totally yet, but I can wait for the new stuff.
Regarding tweakability, I am a tweaker and like to arrange things according to taste. Thankfully I LOVE the appearance and general interface workflow of L4, but more user options would help e.g. turning off the orange circles, Red words of Christ.
Regarding L3 vs L4, I too hope to make L4 my single Libronix tool - I don't want to have to run L3 and L4 in parallel - with my hard work divided across two platforms. I've been doing this for years with L2\3 and Pradis and it's a pain. I really want everything in one place, linked together.
But to be my "go to" Bible software, some changes are needed, but sounds like many of these are on the way.
1. Prioritize\Keylinking - there needs to be a much clearer and more intuitive way to manage Data Types and the behaviour of resources connected with them.
2. The much missed popups on hovering the mouse over a keylink e.g. in a GNT.
3. Markups (plus import from L3)
4. Better in-resource navigation - spacebar, gestures, Next\Previous buttons
5. But I do want to import all these countless hours of hard work into L4
- namely (1) Notes (2) Markups (3) Sentence Diagrams (4) Verse Lists etc
6. User-customisable serial resource associations e.g. LHI <--> NA27Regarding the new and updated tools, I am very much enjoying these e.g. the new BWS is excellent, and graphically rich and pleasant to use. The graphical preposition use, for example, is great. The Passage analysis is mosty helpful, though I'm not sure what the Cluster Graph is meant to show. The new Bible Explorer is a great addition too - adds a new layer of inisight. It's great how reports are saved for future recall etc etc.
I love the way things are generally noticeably faster - loading workspaces, searching, scrolling through resources, producing reports. This is most welcome.
As long as the key features are rolled out, L4 will become my go to software, and I'll eventually uninstall L3.I'm using L4 75% of the time even already, and would say I'm a happy customer so far, especially given the promises of what's to come.
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Thank you for not taking this approach. It will never be "perfect" because "perfect" in this instance is dependent on our opinions and we certainly haven't agreed on what we would like to see and how we want it implemented. I prefer the new Interlinears, especially having the NKJV and other translations.Bob Pritchett said:I'm sure someone will want to make the "take another year if you must, just don't ship it anything less than perfect" argument.
Its good we are having these discussions because not all the 10% is in the beta. we will be able to help belay some of the fears others might have. On that note I seem to remember that we are not supposed to divulge that we were part of the Beta even after release. Is this the case or am I remembering wrong?
Once updates start to magically appear...according to your predestination...after we've chosen to update to 4.0...How will we know these new features are available? Perhaps this weighed into your decision to hit a wider audience with forums over newsgroups. I'm sure it has also played into the reasons you are going with the homepage format you have. I wouldn't mind having a homepage on/on only after update feature as opposed to homepage on/off.
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Bob,
Thank you for your last two EXPLANATION POSTS...they really helped allay my fears and they were just what I was hoping you'd say.I'm willing to wait for the features that I think are crucial; syntax/morph etc...if I know that they are coming.
I do appreciate all of the time and effort you and your team have made on improvements; I think that a lot of the issues are:
1.) Not every feature being ready today.
2.) Lack of understanding on our part about what's coming and what's not
3.) Lack of training on how to best use these new features.
I appreciate this clarification!
it really helped lower the frustration level in my house
Robert Pavich
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Joe Miller said:
"Bob, you had me at..."
Joe, you crack me up....your wife must have influenced you greatly to be able to get that line (oops, I just exposed myself, too).
Mitch
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Bob-
Thank you for involving us in the process. I really appreciate it. For as much requesting/pointing out deficiencies as I have participated in. Iam overall very happy with this and looking forward to its launch and getting my church excited about using it because I can tell that it will have a less steep learning curve than 3 and be more accessible to the average user.
I appreciate you and your whole company.
-Jacob
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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I think what's wrong is we have an expectation that the functionality of v. 4 would be at least what v. 3 is plus. Not having my favorite feature means I am having to settle for less in something that claims to be an upgrade. I love all that you have explained as improvements. But if v. 4 ships without the abilities that v. 3 has on day one then it is a step backwards. I think you should extend the beta and wait to ship v. 4 until at least the things that worked in v. 3 can be done in v. 4.
If 1 percent use feature A and 2 percent use feature B and only 7 percent use features C. If those 3 features are not present, 10 percent will be unhappy. I am quite happy to have v. 4 a beta for much longer if it means the final release is at least as functional as the previous.
An analogy that might help see why I'm not happy about certain functionality not being in the first release of v. 4. To me it would be like buying a make of a car. I have had many Hondas. What if I took my Odyssey to the Honda store to get a new one. And they said here's the latest 2010. It will get better gas mileage and be more comfortable than the older one. it will be easier to maintain. But the radio will only get 2 channels right now. Bring it back in 6 months and we will replace it with a better radio than you have now. And the talegate door won't open yet. But when you bring it for your first oil change we will fix that too.
I'll them them keep your van till you get it all working at least as good as the one I have. Same with 3.x vs. 4.0 of LLS.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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Damian McGrath said:Fred Greco said:
I believe that sympathetic highlighting is that when you highlight an English word, the correlating Greek/Hebrew word in the interlinear is highlighted as well. That's it, as far as I can see - but it is useful.
Thanks Fred. Now I understand.
I never use interlinears so it's something I would not have noticed when toggling it on / off.
Actually, it should also highlight English to English for translations that have reverse interlinear datasets. This answers the "how does [another translation] handle this (verse|word|phrase)?" question.
On my home system (nay, even now) I have Jeremiah 33.14 open in both ESV and NASB. When I highlight "the good word which I have spoken concerning" in the NASB, the ESV has "the promise I made to" highlighted. The only Hebrew I have open is in the reverse interlinear window, but that's not even required to be open/in view (as I understand it).
(And Rubén, I'd guess this will work for Spanish, too, as long as there is a reverse interlinear dataset)
Rick Brannan
Data Wrangler, Faithlife
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Bob, I have been a loyal customer of yours since 1997. I only mention this so that others can know that we have had a history here. I can honestly say that I am not aware of any promise that you made in the past, that you did not live up to in time... no, your not like Christ... yoru still human, however you have in my opinion been fair with us. After reading your post here, I feel assured that our concerns will continue to be heard and met. That said, I do not believe that we should or that you would desire us to back off on what we see, think, or believe that we need to have in a product, so I for one will continue to pass my beliefs and thoughts on to you, and pray that our concerns will all be met in a timely fashion as you have stated! Thanks for your clarification and understanding... As I said in a post a couple of days ago, my concern is that Logos stays in business fore if you do not, we loose everything as well as you do, at the same time, if the product does not contain what we need it too, then we loose, and ultimately Logos looses everything as well. We all really need this to be a win-win proposition. thanks for listening.
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Bob Pritchett said:
this is all very helpful. And please don't stop posting even negative feedback -- the squeaky wheels do get greased. I'm just trying to sort out "I really want this feature back" from "this whole direction is a mistake." And clearly we need to do a better job communicating our plans, and explaining what things are.
These types of responses go a long way to accomplishing that goal Bob. I'm sure it can be more than a little frustrating to have people look at your baby and say "ooh that's ugly!" But IMHO that's what a beta is all about. We're here to break it now so it doesn't break later. Thanks for listening.
Bob Pritchett said:Based on what I've heard in this forum, I anticipate posting on the release date a web page listing everything you might be missing from 3.0 and our plans for priority and delivery times.
That kind of transparency is going to go a long way to extinguishing any firestorms before they happen. But If you put that page up, be aware that we're all going to be watching the countdown dates to our favorite features like hawks; and ready to pounce if you're late. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that's the way it will be.
And thank you abundantly for listening on markup, it is a useful feature many of us had apparently grown used to.
Bob Pritchett said:Monday/Tuesday you'll get Beta 2. It should (hopefully!) arrive through the "BITS" service, downloaded as a low priority background thread with smart stopping/restoring when you are offline/online, etc. I believe you'll need to start the app after this update is available in order to initiate this download, and then start it up one more time to initiate the install after the download. This release will also include the first drop of the resource downloading code, which will update and download resources in the background.
I'm excited to hear about this B.I.T.S (Background Intelligent Transfer Service) delivery, but that's because I have a fat pipe that's always on.
Bob Pritchett said:But even for the things we won't have in -- verse lists, sentence diagrams, etc. -- this has been a great chance for me to both hear your concerns, allay your fears (I hope), and learn what kind of complaint-defusing explanations we'll need to have ready at release.
Glad to help.
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
I think what's wrong is we have an expectation that the functionality of v. 4 would be at least what v. 3 is plus.
Actually I don't think that's wrong. I think it is typical of every upgrade of every product I've ever used. The only "exceptions" would be when feature "A" was replaced by feature "Z" and Z while different was supposed to be better at doing what "A" was supposed to do.
This has been true of betas I've worked on for
- Presentation software
- Bible study software
- Antivirus
- Word processors
- Library management
- Operating systems (Win & Linux)
- others.
For me it is safe to say that "upgrade" means "+ more and better" not "just plain different".
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Bob Pritchett said:
And 4.0, as you see it, is being built in parallel for the Mac -- catching up way beyond what we could have done if we'd held it and tried to "finish" that old framework. We'll try to post some screenshots soon.
Very excited about this.
Logos is the only reason I use a virtual machine and Logos for Mac is still a little too limited for my regular study. I will be thrilled when the day comes that I can do everything without booting up Windows.And a question about the automatic updates:
Will the user receive some sort of notification as to what has been updated and when? I'd like to know when a new feature has been added or a resource has been updated. I don't have download caps but I do like to know when things get changed, even if it's just a minor update to a book but especially if it's the addition of diagramming or some such.
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Bob Pritchett said:
You guys are freaking me out. Really. :-)
Hi Bob,
I almost wanted to say, that if getting you "freaked out" produced so much clarification and so much great information about the future plans with the V4, it paid to provoke you a little bit... [:)]
But seriously, thank you so much for you very clear explanation on the direction you want to go, on set date of release and the need to get there in time. I totally understand and agree, that if you set up the date for the Big Day-D, you need to do all possible to succeed. Even if some of our really specialized tools are still not in place. I think that was not our concern. Not certainly mine. What some of us might be worried about, was an impression from some of your words, that V4 should be somehow "lighter" version of "heavy-duty" V3, just to get more broad customer range. I am happy to see that that is not the case. L4 is definitely great step forward and if we see that all what was possible to do in V3 is (will be) possible in V4 with, sometimes different tools, sometimes in a surprisingly new way of approach, and sometimes with the improved, more visual tool, having basically the same role as in V3, I am more than happy. To say it by analogy, what we needed to hear (and you communicated that by your 2 last posts very clearly) was, by getting the upgrade to your, let's say, Photoshop CS, you'll get - though very different, but more modern and using some surprisingly new approaches to your work, upgraded Photoshop CS again, not that what you are going actually to get is nice looking, cool and easy to use, Photoshop Elements. That was the concern I heard from some of the posts in this forum. I think that was just clear miscommunication. By your explanations I am totally satisfied and happy about all the new development.
Some things are also result of the first impression, what is misleading some times, and only later realization that what we got is better, even it looks much more simple. The example I would use is searching. First look gave me an impression, that we get more simple, not as powerful, searching possibilities. The truth is, after trying it more and more and finding all what is under the hood, I have to say the new searching is Brilliant! Excellent! I love it. I have to say searching looked very powerful in V3 but I hated to use it actually, and tried to avoid it by using Passage Guide and other tools more in my Sermon preparations. This Sunday I preached a sermon prepared on V4 (YES!) and I did not even use PG. I did all my work with your new tools, searching, Info panel giving me all the background info etc. Just keep up with it. You go the right direction. I trust your sense of direction and good experts you have with you in Logos.
The direction is right, and that is the most important. All the bugs and problems will be out of the way soon, so that is not any real concern. We know we are in Beta.
Let God bless you Bob, and your excellent team for all you do and let your Big day-D date works for you, so that Logos 4 has a big launch and many more users. Thank you again for being patient with us. I appreciate you for that very much.
Bohuslav
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
I think you should extend the beta and wait to ship v. 4 until at least the things that worked in v. 3 can be done in v. 4.
I would agree with you IF Logos was forcing and upgrade from 3.x to 4.0. But they are not. In releasing it on time it satisfies the needs of both world those who want 3.0 functionality and those who want the new, functional values of 4.0 at the temporary sacrifice of some previous tools. In fact it works even more toward your advantage. You can be happy to work with the tools you have become familiar with as us guinea pigs test out features as they come and wine to Logos. That will help to keep them moving forward (though I don't think they need the motivation) and you end up with your fully functioning 4.0 earlier with no lose whatsoever since you would be using 3.x during that time anyway.
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
The truth is, after trying it more and more and finding all what is under the hood, I have to say the new searching is Brilliant! Excellent! I love it. I have to say searching looked very powerful in V3 but I hated to use it actually, and tried to avoid it by using Passage Guide and other tools more in my Sermon preparations.
While everyone is Ooohing and Ahing about 4.0, I must sound a dissonant note AT THIS TIME. I do not find the searching capabilities that compelling though I always limit the range of resources searched in 3.0. In 4.0 it may be faster to search the entire database rather than a portion thereof, but I think 3.0 is a different animal in that regard. Others apparently think differently about this as is to be expected. It is the morphological search that is of prime importance for me followed by the stability of the fonts (which I haven't yet been able to evaluate). It is frustrating to set a font, close the note file then discover on reopening it that the font has changed. Arial 10 pt is particularly unusable. I will be evaluating the font situation as the beta testing progresses to see whether this has been rectified. That having been said, I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THE SITUATION WILL ONLY IMPROVE. Another point that I would like to see is the ability to link one note file to another so that I can easily bring it up by clicking on a link I have placed in the file. This might enable footnoting which would be invaluable. Keep up the good work, and I'm certain that success will follow since I have confidence in the company.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
While everyone is Ooohing and Ahing about 4.0, I must sound a dissonant note AT THIS TIME.
We expect nothing less from you, George :-)
George Somsel said:Another point that I would like to see is the ability to link one note file to another so that I can easily bring it up by clicking on a link I have placed in the file
This sounds like a great suggestion.
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George & Andrew are you guys not surprise by human nature? I see those who were critical of us raising concerns are now pleased by the clarification & clear assurances from Bob. What a turn in event.
Thanks Bob for the assurances & clarification. I respect the way you have handled this. Thanks for your graciousness & for listening to your loyal customers. I do pray for you & your team when i remember, especially during this period. We mean well and we are passionate about the product V4 & want it to be a success.
Ted
Dell, studio XPS 7100, Ram 8GB, 64 - bit Operating System, AMD Phenom(mt) IIX6 1055T Processor 2.80 GHZ
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I had not tried that. That is VERY nice. It is also VERY useful for sermon prep.
Fred Greco
Senior Pastor, Christ Church PCA, Katy, TX
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Fred Greco said:
I had not tried that. That is VERY nice. It is also VERY useful for sermon prep.
to what were you refering?
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Philip Spitzer said:
You can be happy to work with the tools you have become familiar with as us guinea pigs test out features as they come and wine to Logos.
To-ga, to-ga, to-ga! Do we get cheese with the wine? Oh, you mean "whine." I can do that too. [:D]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
I think what's wrong is we have an expectation that the functionality of v. 4 would be at least what v. 3 is plus. Not having my favorite feature means I am having to settle for less in something that claims to be an upgrade. I love all that you have explained as improvements. But if v. 4 ships without the abilities that v. 3 has on day one then it is a step backwards. I think you should extend the beta and wait to ship v. 4 until at least the things that worked in v. 3 can be done in v. 4.
If 1 percent use feature A and 2 percent use feature B and only 7 percent use features C. If those 3 features are not present, 10 percent will be unhappy. I am quite happy to have v. 4 a beta for much longer if it means the final release is at least as functional as the previous.
An analogy that might help see why I'm not happy about certain functionality not being in the first release of v. 4. To me it would be like buying a make of a car. I have had many Hondas. What if I took my Odyssey to the Honda store to get a new one. And they said here's the latest 2010. It will get better gas mileage and be more comfortable than the older one. it will be easier to maintain. But the radio will only get 2 channels right now. Bring it back in 6 months and we will replace it with a better radio than you have now. And the talegate door won't open yet. But when you bring it for your first oil change we will fix that too.
I'll them them keep your van till you get it all working at least as good as the one I have. Same with 3.x vs. 4.0 of LLS.
At the risk of being a "yes man" for Bob (not really - [:)] ) I would say that it would be a very bad idea at this time for Logos to hold up the train. This is Bible software, but the main users of Bible software may not be the best advisers here. There is a serious business component. To hold up a revenue stream for a small percentage of users (no matter how loyal) when it is a matter of when not if something shows up would be a bad decision. It stops revenue from coming in, and from getting additional adopters, both of which increase the ability of the company to deliver on what it has promised, and deliver well.
There is also another subset of people that are not being considered here - because by definition they are not in the beta. Every month you delay the release of 4.0, that means someone who has never used Logos will buy 3.0. And then when 4.0 comes out, if there is a migration cost, they are upset. It also means that they need to re-learn what they have just started to learn on whatever changes. Not in a beta, but after plunking down money. And people wonder if they should buy 3.0, since 4.0 may be "out soon." And once you announce 4.0 is coming (or it leaks out) sales of 3.0 will plummet, affecting revenue.
This is also true of features used by a smaller minority of users. Let's say, for example, that morphological searching hopelessly broken now (I have no idea if it is). Let's say that Logos could fix it in 6 months, and delay 4.0 for that fix (instead of coming out with 4.1 or 4.2). So the product is delayed for, say, 5%-10% of users. But of them, maybe half (?) also use another Bible software (whose initials are BW) and could use that in the gap. So you are freezing the product for affecting substantively a very small percentage of users (maybe 2.5%) hurts the product. That does not mean that those users are not important - but it means that you are freezing out revenue from the other 98%, who would pay for the proper implementation of the function.
One example: the iPhone. Does anyone remember how the iPhone was missing very basic functions for years? Like copy/paste? Like MMS? Apple rolled it out anyway, and the most sophisticated users complained (rightly so, I think), but they still used the product. And millions of other adopters built the user base. And so then Apple, being Apple, unveiled 2004 functionality in 2009 and acted like they had landed on Mars.
Fred Greco
Senior Pastor, Christ Church PCA, Katy, TX
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Philip Spitzer said:Fred Greco said:
I had not tried that. That is VERY nice. It is also VERY useful for sermon prep.
to what were you refering?
Sympathetic highlighting across different English versions. I'm still trying to figure out this forum's quoting functions.
Fred Greco
Senior Pastor, Christ Church PCA, Katy, TX
Windows 10 64-bit; Logos 7.1 SR-2 (Reformed Platinum)0 -
Bob Pritchett said:
We're aiming at a target date for release, and we're going to hit it. We have just enough time to get every planned component of the launch in place, but very little else. While it would have been nice to get the intro videos done before we gave you the beta, for example, we couldn't -- because even now it's not quite ready to be video recorded with final art, and we're getting important feedback from the beta. Yes, you'd have had a better out of the box experience with the beta if we'd had the intro videos, but you'd also have less chance to influence the final release.
Bob,
Is it possible to get some descriptions of functions you'd like us to use, and how they would best work, without the need for videos? I mean, just maybe even bullet points about certain features, and ways to test them?
Fred Greco
Senior Pastor, Christ Church PCA, Katy, TX
Windows 10 64-bit; Logos 7.1 SR-2 (Reformed Platinum)0 -
Fred Greco said:
And then when 4.0 comes out, if there is a migration cost, they are upset.
I have been assuming that anyone buying version 3 at this late stage might be upgraded/crossgraded to version 4 for free when it's released... It leaves all of us who routinely recommend Logos to people in an awkward situation otherwise... "Logos is great but I think you should hold off for a bit before you buy it but I can't tell you why"... [:#]
Any plans in this area from Logos team?
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Jon Rumble said:Fred Greco said:
And then when 4.0 comes out, if there is a migration cost, they are upset.
I have been assuming that anyone buying version 3 at this late stage might be upgraded/crossgraded to version 4 for free when it's released... It leaves all of us who routinely recommend Logos to people in an awkward situation otherwise... "Logos is great but I think you should hold off for a bit before you buy it but I can't tell you why"...
Any plans in this area from Logos team?
John,
You may be correct (I hope it is confirmed), but my point is that the longer the delay, the less likely for free upgrades.
Fred Greco
Senior Pastor, Christ Church PCA, Katy, TX
Windows 10 64-bit; Logos 7.1 SR-2 (Reformed Platinum)0 -
Jon Rumble said:
I have been assuming that anyone buying version 3 at this late stage might be upgraded/crossgraded to version 4 for free when it's released...
Jon, the L4 'engine' will be free, as was the L3 engine. Nothing will be lost by buying L3 now. Those of us in the beta test group will get some resources/functionality that others may have to purchase. But the upgrade to the new L4 system will be free.
Further, it's apparent that some of the functionality of L3 won't make it into the initial release of L4. That means L3 will be more useful for some operations than L4. Hopefully, we'll be able to have both on our system once L4 is released publicly, at least until all the functionality of L3 is built into L4.
For now L3 is still a more powerful Bible study tool than L4 (IMHO), though I suspect that once L4 is released, it will be much easier for a newbie to use than L3.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Jon Rumble said:Fred Greco said:
And then when 4.0 comes out, if there is a migration cost, they are upset.
I have been assuming that anyone buying version 3 at this late stage might be upgraded/crossgraded to version 4 for free when it's released... It leaves all of us who routinely recommend Logos to people in an awkward situation otherwise... "Logos is great but I think you should hold off for a bit before you buy it but I can't tell you why"...
Any plans in this area from Logos team?
One does not BUY v. 3.0. I wrote to Phil regarding his e-mail which seemed to indicate that Logos was abandoning its policy of not charging for the engine. He stated clearly that I had misunderstood. The program is to continue to be free. What he was referencing was a cross-grade to the equivalent package which we already have. It seems that the packages are also being updated so that the new version of our package will contain added resources. We buy the resources, not the program.
george
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George Somsel said:
One does not BUY v. 3.0. I wrote to Phil regarding his e-mail which seemed to indicate that Logos was abandoning its policy of not charging for the engine. He stated clearly that I had misunderstood. The program is to continue to be free. What he was referencing was a cross-grade to the equivalent package which we already have. It seems that the packages are also being updated so that the new version of our package will contain added resources. We buy the resources, not the program.
Yes, that's what I understood from the email we got. There should be expected the updated version of the Packages. I would not be surprised if we would see some new resources and updated series that already are in the Base Packages. For people who would like to get that will be an upgrade price. That is just my speculation on the matter.
Bohuslav
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George,
"We buy the resources, not the program."
Unfortunately not true of Mac users. The Mac engine itself had to be purchased. I will be interested to see if Logos charges Mac users for the engine that PC users get for free. I'm assuming those who already have the Mac engine will get a free upgrade, but will new users be charged for the new engine?
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