Logos 4 Philosophy
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Bob Pritchett said:
The only features we're planning to drop with no alternate
solution are Remote Library Search (because you can do it on the web
now)I know it may not be a priority to get in before releasing 4.0, but it would be nice if this feature would be kept. I found it quite helpful when creating bibliographies for papers.
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Thanks very much, Bob, for responding. It's completely practical.Bob Pritchett said:I won't commit to it permanently, and some books have features that will require 4.0, but I believe we'll be offering most new resources in both formats for some time. It will also have to do with what the adoption rate for 4.0 is.
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Bob Pritchett said:
I won't commit to it permanently, and some books have features that will require 4.0, but I believe we'll be offering most new resources in both formats for some time. It will also have to do with what the adoption rate for 4.0 is.
For those of us struggling with 4.0 this is good news. I do like it, but it will have to drastically improve in speed and some of my favorite features like sentence diagramming will have to show up before I will abandon 3.0. I am testing away, but when I get down to the wire and really have to get some studying done, the current state of 4.0 makes me close it and fire up 3.0. And I am an early adopter type who jumps on beta before most. I have been running Windows 7 for most of this year. I even had MS Office 2010 going for awhile. I use beta versions of most my utilities and software. If it is available I use it. I'm even using beta bible study software on my iPhone. So it is not that I'm a neo-Luddite.
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Bob Pritchett said:
The only features we're planning to drop with no alternate solution are Remote Library Search (because you can do it on the web now), Graphical Query Editor (superceded by better search and syntax searching), confusing overhead (Library Maintenance, Account Management moving to the web), and, um, I can't remember.
Bob, I gave this statement the benefit of a doubt when made just over 2 weeks ago. Now I have some concerns:-
- Morphological Search is not a better search than v3. See http://community.logos.com/forums/t/1998.aspx
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/1265.aspx - Morphological Search is not a better search than Graphical Query when it cannot produce correct results for a simple query like @V??P??G BEFORE 3 words (@NG, @JG) which works in v3.
- Bible Search is not better than v3 (testers prefer to use Basic Search)
- Basic Search is not better than v3 as long as its UI involves scrolling thru many pages to find a book of interest.
- Syntax Search is not better than v3 because its UI is incomplete and clumsy e.g. http://community.logos.com/forums/t/1581.aspx
- Syntax Search is not better than v3 as long as it is restricted by the same resources as v3
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:Syntax Search is not better than v3 because its UI is incomplete and clumsy e.g. http://community.logos.com/forums/t/1581.aspx
Syntax Search is not better than v3 as long as it is restricted by the same resources as v3I agree with Dave. The complex searching is the heart of Logos bible software. In fact as I recall; Logos previously had a bad rep when compared to "other" top level bible software and did some hard work developing the syntax searching capabilities, and then touted the advanced syntax searching as the "nobody else can do it" feature that set them apart.
Personally, this is a top priority for me, if it's incomplete or there are things that aren't even as good as v3...I'm going to have some heartburn.
Please let us know what's going on and if we can expect some good advancements in this area.
Robert Pavich
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Very good points, Gabriel. As a seminary professor who's posted elsewhere in the private beta forum about the initial lack of visual markup, it's nice to see them back at least in limited form in Beta 2. This is an example where, as others have mentioned, optional customization for those who want to manipulate the tools would be very useful. For example, in my teaching and research I need solid highlighter pens in four specific colors (standardized synoptic gospels markup: red = Matt + Luke, green = Mark + Luke, yellow = Matt + Mark, blue = Matt + Mark + Luke). And the highlight needs to be solid throughout, not the fancy fake real highlighter pen that fades off toward the end of the word as you supposedly decrease pressure. (Now I could use single and double underlining in the same colors too, and could make do with either.) In Logos 3 I had created a custom set of highlighter pens to do this work. I hope I will be able to do the same in Logos 4; this would be one mission critical option that would keep me from being able to use Logos 4 in the classroom. Along the same lines, I need to be able to customize visual filters to mark up finite verbs in one color, infinitives in another, participles in another, etc., as a visual display of major structural markers that affect argument flow in a text. Again, if I can't do that...
But I think the one thing I see as essential for teachers/presenters/speakers (at least the ones with digital projectors) is the ability to display a text in some semblance to the printed textbook page, as opposed to a "computer display" approach. This is one thing I have always appreciated about Logos and is why I prefer it to the other major software programs in the classroom.
As for everything else, I am much in favor of the automatic update feature, since most Logos 3 users I encounter never bother to update either engine or resources. If Microsoft can push out Windows and IE updates automatically, I don't see what's wrong with that for Logos. I recently did a lunchtime Logos training session for students and out of about 30 present, fully 3/4 had never updated anything since initial installation. Needless to say I spent half the session talking about updating, rather than using other features of the software!
I know for many it will be hard to give up the old familiarity and learn one's way around in a new environment. I felt the same way about going from context-sensitive pulldown menus in Word 03 to the ribbons in Word 07. For the longest time I hated them...because I could not figure out how to do what I needed to do. Now I don't even think about them any longer. What would have helped more, though, was an intermediate mode (not a revert to classic mode which just switches back to the old interface) but a transitional mode which helped me figure out how things had moved around and how to use the newer interface. Maybe that's also something for Logos to think about.
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] Yes, I think with such a huge change, a transitional period is needed and perhaps, that is what Bob is already noting by allowing new resources to be in v. 3 as well as v. 4. As beta testers, we are swimming with and in transition. Though, I'm not sure if that is what you meant.Hall Harris said:What would have helped more, though, was an intermediate mode (not a revert to classic mode which just switches back to the old interface) but a transitional mode which helped me figure out how things had moved around and how to use the newer interface. Maybe that's also something for Logos to think about.
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buy a copy of EndNote. It is what I am using for my doctoral work. It is far superior to the Logos 3 option PLUS it has a lot more features to auto-update your footnotes / endnotes. Very good stuff for papers!Rob said:Bob Pritchett said:The only features we're planning to drop with no alternate
solution are Remote Library Search (because you can do it on the web
now)I know it may not be a priority to get in before releasing 4.0, but it would be nice if this feature would be kept. I found it quite helpful when creating bibliographies for papers.
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