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Graham Owen said:
The point I have continually made is that the communication to existing users was poor and it was delivered automatically the only warning being about Notes.
I don't want everyone else to wait I just wish that I was given the information required to make an informed decision for myself so I could have waited.
Thanks Bradley
Phil has admitted this was a mistake and apologised for it: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/174028/1010296.aspx#1010296
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Graham Owen said:
So far no one from Faithlife has confirmed the best way to go back to 7 and Bradley's advice is don't do it it so not sure whether it's worth risking further disruption.
Best way?
1) Keep your 8 license
- You can run Logos 8 and Logos 7 on the same computer (or Verbum 8/Logos 7 if you have a Verbum license)
- If you don't have the space:
- Uninstall 8.
- Delete the Logos folder
- Install 7
- (You can save downloading resources by using one of the Methods for Quick Installation. What OS?)
- In 7, you will not get new books/updates that were built for 8
- In 7, you don't get the features of 8
- You have to guard against the 7 installation being upgraded to 8 (use command set update channel to manual).
- You have to manually update 7 if service releases (SR) are made available
- In 7, you can choose to use Notes tool or go back to old Notes
- You don't lose any notes
OR
2). You revoke your L8 license and get your money back for all purchased upgrades (no subscription)
- check whether you retain a license to Notes tool, else you lose your new notes
- uninstall 8 as above
- install 7 (which will only update for SR's)
- if you change your mind, it may be more expensive to return to 8
OR
3) You want to cancel your subscription!
- If not L8, can you live with the last feature set you purchased (if L4 or L5, you will regret cancelling)?
- if you cancel, this is the same as 2) above
- EDIT: if it was L8, can you live with the previous purchase?
- if you keep L8 consider 1) above.
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4) You want to keep your subscription (because it gives you the 7 Feature set)
- See 1) above
Just ask for more specifics.
Dave
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Without reading a bunch of pages, has Logos provided a fix to turn off their advertisements on their home page?
http://www.TrinityExamined.com
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No, apparently they will be providing a fix in a later iteration of Logos 8.
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See item #5 under Home Page at https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360019191392-Changes-from-Logos-7-to-Logos-8#h.kuwra76she2s
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Reuben Helmuth said:Whyndell Grizzard said:
Not helpful at all- how about an "OFF" BUTTON that would be great.
Whyndell, as it seems like L8 got it all wrong for you and we're still within the 30 day return window, have you considered returning your purchase and reinstalling L7?
Yeah- but I don't think they would refund my $50k I have invested- I'm sorry if your offended- I'm concerned about a product that changed and became more unusable for me- since you didn't pay for it- you have no voice in my game- so your entitled to your opinion- that's great- now you have mine.
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Into Grace said:
Without reading a bunch of pages, has Logos provided a fix to turn off their advertisements on their home page?
Logos Wiki has => Logos 8 Beta Program information + risks (could join public Beta testing for 8.1 followed by changing update channel to default for future stable releases)
Logos 8.1 Beta 4 Home Page example with "Pre-Pubs" and "Community Pricing" unchecked: (Logos 8.1 Beta 3 on 19 Nov 2018 added Home Page Explore customization)
Uninformed user speculation for Logos 8.1 Stable release is Mon 10 Dec 2018: if Logos 7 pattern of 4 Beta releases is followed by Release Candidate(s).
Keep Smiling
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Mark Barnes said:Graham Owen said:
So it sounds like no grand plan was outlined during the Beta.
Despite what Doc seems to think, beta testers aren't "yes men".
If anyone thinks I was happy about the loss of function in lectionaries and saints, they obviously have not read anything I posted.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
If anyone thinks I was happy about the loss of function in lectionaries and saints, they obviously have not read anything I posted.
You most definitely were not! [;)]
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David Taylor Jr said:MJ. Smith said:
If anyone thinks I was happy about the loss of function in lectionaries and saints, they obviously have not read anything I posted.
You most definitely were not!
You most definitely were not!
tootle pip
Mike
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Kevin Olson said:
First of all, I love the feel of Logos 8. It seems faster, and slightly more intuitive. The tools are very powerful.
The new home page is kind of a disappointment. I like the idea of the dashboard, but I would also like to be able to turn it off completely, freeing up that space. The ability to put our own layouts there would be wonderful.
I liked the side panel on the left in Logos 7. It would have my preferred Lectionaries, and it seems to me that it even showed the readings for the day (as links). I would love to have that side panel back, and also include the ability to select what is on that. It would be great to be able to change preferred Bibles there too. It would be fun to be able to customize the lectionary layouts in some way too. Coming from a tradition that basically ignores the church calendar, I have grown to appreciate that, but would love to add resources for studying those passages, without having to add them every time I open that layout.
I liked the link in Logos 7 which showed which resources were updated (downloaded), and even had links to the resources. That seems to have disappeared completely in L8.
I liked the ability to chose what was displayed on the home screen. I would like to be able to turn off pre-pubs and other offers for purchasing books. I find that distracting when I want to study.
I especially liked the excerpts of resources in my library. It was kind of like multiple serendipitous discovery, which was alway interesting. I have rediscovered great resources from my library through that means.
Overall though, good job Faithlife on Logos 8!
This has probably been addressed by others, but I haven't been able to read through all the many posts on this feed. But I agree that I would like the side panel back as well, for lectionaries, saints, and reading plans. Save the middle area as a work area to launch workflows, layouts, courses, and other tools like psalms explorer. Also, I'd like more control over how the cards are arranged. I'd like to organize things in groups, and would like the option to order things vertically instead of just horizontally. I HATE horizontal ordering, vertical is more intuitive for me. Others have mentioned it but bring back the ability to "choose the preferred bible" from the homepage. I change mine frequently depending on what I'm doing and that was the quickest way to do it.
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I have to laugh. I'm not sure you meant it this way, but, you said, "I can safely say that your feedback would not have made any difference to the outcome." I think that was his point. LOL.
I think I do understand that you mean one person's feedback doesn't make any difference, but collectively it shapes the entire package. Or, maybe his personal opinion didnt matter.Dave Hooton said:doc said:They only ask fanboys and girls to private beta test and so don’t get honest feedback on whether the software is ready. I used to be a private beta tester but the stopped asking me because I gave honest feedback about things like this and they did not want to hear it.
That is demeaning a number of people you know well from the forums, because the feedback they gave was honest, and passionate at times. And they got equally honest responses... So here we are, and I can safely say that your feedback would not have made any difference to the outcome.
Going forward, I hope that you can provide feedback without getting personal, as 8.1 isn't the end of the line.
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Batman said:
I have to laugh. I'm not sure you meant it this way, but, you said, "I can safely say that your feedback would not have made any difference to the outcome." I think that was his point. LOL.
I think I do understand that you mean one person's feedback doesn't make any difference, but collectively it shapes the entire package. Or, maybe his personal opinion didnt matter.Dave Hooton said:doc said:They only ask fanboys and girls to private beta test and so don’t get honest feedback on whether the software is ready. I used to be a private beta tester but the stopped asking me because I gave honest feedback about things like this and they did not want to hear it.
That is demeaning a number of people you know well from the forums, because the feedback they gave was honest, and passionate at times. And they got equally honest responses... So here we are, and I can safely say that your feedback would not have made any difference to the outcome.
Going forward, I hope that you can provide feedback without getting personal, as 8.1 isn't the end of the line.
Actually, in this case, I believe Dave meant that a large number of beta testers had the same feedback doc had but ultimately FL went a different direction.
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Oh.
That could be problematic.David Taylor Jr said:Actually, in this case, I believe Dave meant that a large number of beta testers had the same feedback doc had but ultimately FL went a different direction.
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