Feature: Print Library Catalog
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Kiyah said:
Some books give the page number and some don't. The book you added probably doesn't have page numbers in the Logos edition, so search can't give you a page number that doesn't exist in the Logos edition. It might be an ebook.
Hi Kiyah. This book has page numbers. I edited my post to state that the number is given; it's just hidden because the search template panel is taking up too much space. Is there a toggle for hiding the latter? I can't find it.
But I can see this feature is going to come in very handy for my (few) essential works that I don't have (yet) in Logos.
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Sean said:
it's just hidden because the search template panel is taking up too much space. Is there a toggle for hiding the latter? I can't find it.
There's a sidebar button on the search panel just like on resource panels, in the top left of the panel, sometimes called the hamburger menu.
Are you upgrading to L10 straight from L7? We've had search templates since L8 I believe.
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Kiyah said:
There's a sidebar button on the search panel just like on resource panels, in the top left of the panel, sometimes called the hamburger menu.
Thanks! I can't believe I missed that.
Kiyah said:Are you upgrading to L10 straight from L7? We've had search templates since L8 I believe.
Nope, from L9, but I'm on a newer smaller laptop. Having the toolbar on the side (which I generally like) is affecting my layouts some, so I might have to make some minor adjustments to them.
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Sean said:
-the page number is hidden because my search window is too small and it's getting cut off:
This has been fixed on the web application, and it should be getting fixed in an upcoming version of the desktop application.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Andrew Batishko said:Sean said:
-the page number is hidden because my search window is too small and it's getting cut off:
This has been fixed on the web application, and it should be getting fixed in an upcoming version of the desktop application.
Nice! Thank you for responding.
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Can you please highlight this functionality [right clicking an individual title to search only in it] in the introduction and help on Print Library Catalog. For research tasks I often want to know the specific page on which author X discusses concept Y in title Z. Previously I have used google books, but their 'search inside' feature is patchy. The introduction to Print Library Catalog made me think I could do this, but then I was pulling up results from concept Y (search term Y) in every print and electronic resource I have in the library - way too much to scroll through. The PLC search of individual resources is really helpful since subject indexes at the end of print books are often incomplete.
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Mark Simon said:
Can you please highlight this functionality [right clicking an individual title to search only in it] in the introduction and help on Print Library Catalog. For research tasks I often want to know the specific page on which author X discusses concept Y in title Z. Previously I have used google books, but their 'search inside' feature is patchy. The introduction to Print Library Catalog made me think I could do this, but then I was pulling up results from concept Y (search term Y) in every print and electronic resource I have in the library - way too much to scroll through. The PLC search of individual resources is really helpful since subject indexes at the end of print books are often incomplete.
From the Library, you can right-click on a Print Library resource and search it.
You can also search only your whole Print Library (that might be a 10.1 beta feature - I can't remember):
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Syncing between Mobile & Desktop App
Is anyone else having a problem to see print books added via the Mobile App ISBN scanner which don't then appear in the Desktop App? If I add them manually in the Desktop App, they appear on the Phone in the Print Library Catalogue, but if I add them on the Phone, they don't appear in the Desktop App after syncing.
Here is a view of the Print Library on the Phone:
And here is what is showing on the Desktop App after syncing:
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I just upgraded to the Logos 10 feature set and when I am in "add to library" none of the books give me the option "add to print library". All I see is the orange box to buy or preview. The "add to print library" option should be to the left of that and it is missing. No books show this option.
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Kelly McDaniel said:
I just upgraded to the Logos 10 feature set and when I am in "add to library" none of the books give me the option "add to print library". All I see is the orange box to buy or preview. The "add to print library" option should be to the left of that and it is missing. No books show this option.
The package that you purchased does not include the Print Library feature. You can use this page to compare the list of features available in each feature set.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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I would like to see this in Logos 10 Silver. I have Logos 9 diamond and plan to purchase 10 Silver
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Dear Logos team,
Print Library Catalog is truly a great feature to add.
But ... 
I now have v. 27.2.21 of Logos (the latest version to 9 Aug 2023 at least), but alas, I do not have a purchased feature set. Apparently this Logos feature <Print Library Catalog> is ONLY available to purchasers of a Gold Package or above, or to purchasers of a Full Feature Upgrade package. For me, with dynamic pricing, the latter will cost $788 USD and the former $1,516 USD. Yet I do not want or need 99% of the resources or features provided with those two options. I am a loyal Logos user with over 2,200 individually selected titles purchased over many years. Yet as a theological educator, my print library is actually larger than that; I would love to have this feature. It seems unfair that one has to outlay huge expenditures for many titles/features that are simply NOT wanted or needed, in order to get 1 feature that one does want.
Is there any plan to allow for Customized Feature purchases or upgrades? I see that the Full Feature Upgrade lists the "value" of the Print Library Catalog feature as approx. $50 USD as a full value item. I would be willing to pay $50 USD for this feature, but not $788 or $1,516 USD. It does seem in the feature lists that one can apparently purchase other features for $0.00 USD, but apparently not this item (Print Library Catalog). Can that change, so that this feature is available to all users (even for a small fee)??
Inside Logos, I can search for Print Library Catalog in the Logos Help menus. Yet, the Logos help menu implies that the feature should be available to me. However, it isn't. Logos help features should point out if a feature is available to the user or not, and should specify not just as is done above (e.g. at the very bottom of Ali Pope's original post: "This feature is available in Gold packages and above"), but rather "This feature is ONLY available in Gold packages and above, or to purchasers of the "Full Feature Upgrade". This should also appear at the TOP of articles like the original post above, not right at at the bottom. The present advertising is not sufficiently clear or accurate. It is also misleading. As mentioned the Logos help feature inside the Windows App does not mention the feature is NOT AVAILABLE to me, nor how I could get it. Likewise the Print Library Catalog video from Logos does not mention it is NOT AVAILABLE to ALL USERS. This, too, is misleading.
There would be a huge benefit to Logos if you knew all the books a person owned and could target advertising to them with books that are missing in their library. (NB: Although it would also be a privacy issue for many, for which an opt out option would be advisable as far as targeted advertising, and searching one's private print-library list is concerned). Is there a plan to make features like Print Library Catalog available to ALL Logos users?
Please do let us/me know.
Many thanks,
RickPS - I inadvertently posted this to the Mobile App forum (https://community.logos.com/forums/p/210493/1226426.aspx#1226426). However, I am a (Windows) Desktop app user of Logos, and have re-posted here with a couple of small edits.
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It does seem that this Feature forum thread has a lot of interest, far more than nearly every other recent Logos forum thread. That, to me, seems to indicate that a feature like this should be more readily available.
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I agree Rick W. But it seems as though this feature is part of a base upgrade package and cannot be "broken up." I would like to see this open without it being in a base package.
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Great suggestion, Tony. I have my print books scanned into LibraryThing. Uploading all the entries in a batch operation would save much time.
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I was expecting the print library results to show up in the Commentary Guide. That is how I've been getting to resources in sermon prep. Could there be a "Print Library" category there?
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I was expecting the print library results to show up in the Commentary Guide. That is how I've been getting to resources in sermon prep. Could there be a "Print Library" category there?
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I would love to see that as well. Now, my print library items do not show up in the passage guide sections. Only under Collections, I can do a specific search on my print library items.
For example, I would expect a printed version of a Textual Commentary to show up under Commentaries.
Any suggestions?
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Ross Durham said:
I was expecting the print library results to show up in the Commentary Guide. That is how I've been getting to resources in sermon prep. Could there be a "Print Library" category there?
I don't think so - at least with the current implementation.
Commentaries appear in the Commentaries section of the Passage Guide because they share the same milestone (Bible reference) as the passage you are studying.
If you don't actually own the commentary then that match can't happen
It would rely on Logos looking up commentaries in your print library on its own servers to see if there was a milestone match - and I don't think that's how it is designed to work.
But I could be wrong - I'm just speculating on how I think it hangs together.
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Has this idea gone anywhere? I also have libib and hundreds of books I'd love to integrate with Logos.
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Jason Ching said:
Has this idea gone anywhere? I also have libib and hundreds of books I'd love to integrate with Logos.
Print library has been implemented for some time. Because the print library can be searched, it is limited to books in the Logos catalogue. It has not been expanded to include books that cannot be searched.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Sorry, I should have been clearer. I saw that Logos was "gathering interest" on the ability to batch import your print library into Logos through a csv (or some file like that).
I was wondering if that batch import functionality ever gained enough interest to move forward.0 -
no. The status should change to planned if that happens
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Because the print library can be searched …
since this thread got woke up, I might as well ask a question 😎
The print library feature sounded fantastic, but after I started adding books, I found out that the search results did not work in any of the normal searches through your library. You had to do a special search, which only searched print library titles.
so here is my question: Will any of the new AI features be able to search my entire library along with my print library? (But not the entireLogos library)
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Eli Evans (Logos) said:
Yes, with the new Logos, you can switch to a Books search, Smart mode (new AI-assisted search), and choose Print Library from the search collection. If I understood the question?
Thanks for the response. You just illustrated the problem better than I did. The dropdown menu forces you to choose between "Your Books" (which really means Logos books), and "Print Library". Why am I not able to search my entire Logos Library AND my Print Library in the same search?
The Print Library feature would be very useful if a person could search ALL of their books in the same search.
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John said:
The Print Library feature would be very useful if a person could search ALL of their books in the same search.
Aha, I understand now. Thank you for the clarification!
With Smart Search, "Your Books" does indeed include Cloud and Print Library. The icon in the lower right of these results shows where the book is located: cloud for Cloud books, bookshelf for Print Library, and no icon for licensed books that are downloaded. Note also that the AI summarize feature works on them regardless of where they're located.
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Wow, so you can get a smart search synopsis from the results found in the books that you don't own? That's amazing.
👁️ 👁️
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Eli Evans (Logos) said:
With Smart Search, "Your Books" does indeed include Cloud and Print Library.
I don't have Smart Search but I tried a test and found that the search results did include Print Library books. I must have done something wrong a while back when I tested the feature. So I learned something today [:)]
But I still cannot get any Print Library books to show up in searches or reports that use Bible indexing such as the Passage Guide.
In Commentary search, under "All Commentaries", it does not include results from Print Library. I have never tried creating a collection with those in it ... would that work?
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John, unfortunately you cannot add print library books to a collection, or any guide.
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