Official: You Can Now Get Early Access to the Next Version of Logos
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Do u think the full features upgrade will be available to purchase when the new subscription comes?
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I think that the word we've been given (or at least what I've understood) is that we do not need to panic-buy the full feature set, that an opportunity to buy it will be given when the new subscriptions are released in the fall. If that's the case, then everyone will be able to assess the best way for each to proceed.
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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Thanks bill God bless you brother
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Frank Sauer said:
As of now - for your up to $260 investment (if you have the discount) - you get to keep instant dark/light mode.... Anything else? That's right - it's being "worked on"
Keep in mind that everything available now is either previously released or early access. The full releases aren't going to happen until October or so, so hopefully at that point there will be a decent selection of new features. In all fairness though, if someone doesn't have the full feature set now or a Connect subscription, subscribing now would give them a decent amount of new features.
Disclaimer: I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication. If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.
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Joseph Turner said:
Keep in mind that everything available now is either previously released or early access. The full releases aren't going to happen until October or so,
A list of released features that are eligible to keep on subscription will be available in the Fall. Also, you will be able to purchase L10 Full Features at a discount (per M. Barnes) to earn a healthy discount on a subscription. These will aid one's decision making re. subscription or perpetual L10 ownership. Note that the full list of features that can be kept on subscription won't be known until Oct 2026.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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So I think logos 10 full features will go on sale ?
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Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:
Being that we have been in Logos 10 for approaching two years now, aren't the Logos 10 Features already on sale?
Disclaimer: I did not read the full litany of previous posts before seeing this one, so if I am ignorant in my response, that was not my intent.
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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Jonathan Bradley said:
Being that we have been in Logos 10 for approaching two years now, aren't the Logos 10 Features already on sale?
Multi-meaning word alert. The full feature set is for sale (available for purchase) but will go on sale (available at a discount).
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Jonathan Bradley said:
Being that we have been in Logos 10 for approaching two years now, aren't the Logos 10 Features already on sale?
Multi-meaning word alert. The full feature set is for sale (available for purchase) but will go on sale (available at a discount).
I got it now! I'm not sure why I didn't read it that way...it's been a long week.
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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As I noted in the survey I was offered, with a Diamond library, all of the things being marketed are currently part of the feature set I already have (including minimal machine translation features). The survey and the splash page for the new subscription both made me very nervous as a customer (for almost twenty years and my father before that from version 1). With the features marketed in the subscription, it looks like things I already have access to are going to be restricted in the future (the statement against this notwithstanding).
I am concerned by 1311 posts (as of me writing this) with a general tenor of, "Are you nuts, Logos, this isn't what we want in our software?" There are a handful in the midst of this who are intrigued and most of these are former Logos Now/Connect subscribers.
I am concerned that the general response to the concerned posts I skimmed through seems to be, "don't worry, it will work out, you'll see," followed by a link to the FAQ on the new service.
The survey I was given floated prices ranging from just under $10 to $70ish per month. As I noted in the survey, a $70/month price tag and even $40/month was excessive to the point of being offensive (especially as I write this in Latin America hopefully figuring out a way to get my Hebrew students access to a not bank-breaking package for an intro course). $70/month is 10% (or more) of a family's income where I am right now. A subscription model might be helpful for some, but looking to help pastors in training develop libraries they can use for future ministry doesn't work well with a subscription model (unless there's a way for it to be tied to local economies more carefully than what I see in the relevant store right now).
Further, looking at the Logos app on my computer vs. on my tablet, it looks like the tablet "information" press and hold option requires an active internet connection (which would mean future users would have to subscribe just for what seems like basic information gathering at present). Is this accurate? Would the "information" popup bubble be restricted to subscriptions moving forward for new users?
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As I noted in the survey I was offered, with a Diamond library, all of the things being marketed are currently part of the feature set I already have (including minimal machine translation features). The survey and the splash page for the new subscription both made me very nervous as a customer (for almost twenty years and my father before that from version 1). With the features marketed in the subscription, it looks like things I already have access to are going to be restricted in the future (the statement against this notwithstanding).
I am concerned by 1311 posts (as of me writing this) with a general tenor of, "Are you nuts, Logos, this isn't what we want in our software?" There are a handful in the midst of this who are intrigued and most of these are former Logos Now/Connect subscribers.
I am concerned that the general response to the concerned posts I skimmed through seems to be, "don't worry, it will work out, you'll see," followed by a link to the FAQ on the new service.
The survey I was given floated prices ranging from just under $10 to $70ish per month. As I noted in the survey, a $70/month price tag and even $40/month was excessive to the point of being offensive (especially as I write this in Latin America hopefully figuring out a way to get my Hebrew students access to a not bank-breaking package for an intro course). $70/month is 10% (or more) of a family's income where I am right now. A subscription model might be helpful for some, but looking to help pastors in training develop libraries they can use for future ministry doesn't work well with a subscription model (unless there's a way for it to be tied to local economies more carefully than what I see in the relevant store right now).
Further, looking at the Logos app on my computer vs. on my tablet, it looks like the tablet "information" press and hold option requires an active internet connection (which would mean future users would have to subscribe just for what seems like basic information gathering at present. Is this accurate? Would the "information" popup bubble be restricted to subscriptions moving forward for new users?
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"With books, it’s different. The content of books isn’t continually improved—once they’re published, they’re done. And while we bear small ongoing costs to allow you to download and interact with your books, those costs are orders of magnitude lower than that of AI and similar services. Therefore, you will still be able to buy permanent access to Logos libraries and any other books from our catalog. In the future, we may add rental options for those who want it, but we don’t foresee a time when we’ll stop selling perpetual licenses to books.
We’re still thinking through what that means for purchasable feature sets, and we’d value your feedback on whether the option to purchase would be important to you, knowing that you’d miss out on all the AI and cloud-backed features along with regular updates."
Where can I give my feedback on this? I would love the ability to buy instead of rent features (I really dislike subscriptions, and without an option to buy, I would be much more hesitant to recommend Logos to others). Also, you mention that the books we have will remain, but what about our feature expansions?
Thanks!
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Joshua Woodruff said:
Where can I give my feedback on this?
You just have done [:)].
Since this post, we have announced that people switching to a subscription from Logos 10 would qualify for a Legacy Fallback License after two years. That means that if you were to cancel your subscription after the two-year period, you'd retain permanent access to non-AI and non-Cloud features that were part of your subscription.
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In case you missed it, we've finally been able to announce what we're doing for Connect subscribers.
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Andrew Hollingsworth said:
The survey I was given floated prices ranging from just under $10 to $70ish per month.
See https://www.logos.com/early-access/subscriptions#learn-more for prices.
See https://www.logos.com/feature-upgrades for heavily discounted prices on L10 Feature sets that will make you eligible for Owner discounts (scroll down to see the Feature sets required for each subscription tier).
Andrew Hollingsworth said:Further, looking at the Logos app on my computer vs. on my tablet, it looks like the tablet "information" press and hold option requires an active internet connection (which would mean future users would have to subscribe just for what seems like basic information gathering at present). Is this accurate?
Post screenshots of the desktop function that is implemented by press and hold on the tablet.
EDIT: Some desktop features are implemented via the internet on mobile devices, but they will continue to function that way if you own them. Future users and non-Owners will have to subscribe after the Fall.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:
Future users and non-Owners will have to subscribe after the Fall.
Note that non-Owners currently have the choice to purchase Features for a discounted subscription, or to continue with only the purchased features.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I really would like the option to upgrade my logos with the new features as you have been offering previously. Allow me to purchase the features every year or every two years if that is the case. Those that want them sooner let them get them sooner. Those that are willing to wait for new features should be allowed to wait and purchase later.
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Jeremai Williams said:
I really would like the option to upgrade my logos with the new features as you have been offering previously.
Not going to happen! The only concession is for those who subscribe for 2years as they can keep the non-cloud features in their tier (e.g. Pro, Max).
If you do the Math, however, it will cost you $260 for two years discount subscription to Max. New users (no discount) will pay $700.
If you have to purchase L!0 Full Features for the discount add that to the $260 and see if you are still ahead! If not, you will be ahead after the second and subsequent years.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:
Not going to happen!
I think based on some conversations.... if the customer base does not "fall in line" and users hold out spending - there will be a reconsideration of the silly stance Logos has taken - it really makes no sense to not offer the traditional option. Mark's only argument when some of us pointed out that if the two year fallback can be purchased up front, there is no reason to not offer the traditional option was - we would miss out on the AI and online perks of subscription. I don't recall him answering the question in response to that, what if a user is OK without those things....
So, if users that do not want to subscribe "vote" with their wallets and they truly do not want to lose customers - the common sense decision would be to give the users want they want - after all, the users ARE the reason the company still exists.
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:Joshua Woodruff said:
Where can I give my feedback on this?
You just have done
.Since this post, we have announced that people switching to a subscription from Logos 10 would qualify for a Legacy Fallback License after two years. That means that if you were to cancel your subscription after the two-year period, you'd retain permanent access to non-AI and non-Cloud features that were part of your subscription.
Does this fallback license apply to Faithlife Connect subscribers as well, or would we need to purchase the full feature set to have access to the fallback license?
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Frank Sauer said:
it really makes no sense to not offer the traditional option.
$700 would be the going rate for nobbled Full Features after/every 2 years!!
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:Frank Sauer said:
it really makes no sense to not offer the traditional option.
$700 would be the going rate for nobbled Full Features after/every 2 years!!
Not sure that can be determined with the new attraction to building many features that have to be subscription (AI related).....
Would they really try to charge $700 for features (dynamic pricing also may or may not lower the cost as in the past), if there are a few that you actually get to keep??? Right now, how many non-AI features are present? I know we are waiting on a Fallback list from Mark, but based on comments from users - what is really non-AI beyond instant light/dark and possibly some Factbook improvements?
So as of now, as we wait on Mark's list - what is worth the $240 for two years of Pro, never mind $700.... Also we were always able to get the Full Feature Set at a better price with a Package Upgrade that included books as well....
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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I selected my subscription level but didn't have enough time to really look at the library and see if I wanted to purchase it or not. Is there a way to go back and look at the libraries with the subscriptions or is that a one and done deal?
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Frank Sauer said:
So as of now, as we wait on Mark's list - what is worth the $240 for two years of Pro, never mind $700.... Also we were always able to get the Full Feature Set at a better price with a Package Upgrade that included books as well....
Mark's list won't tell you what is available in October 2026, when you would have paid $200 for Pro as an L10 Owner or $500 without the discount.
The price to keep "Full" features on Max would be $260 and $700.
If not a subscriber it is moot to talk about past offerings and discounts when they are not on offer.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Fos Zoe said:
I selected my subscription level but didn't have enough time to really look at the library and see if I wanted to purchase it or not. Is there a way to go back and look at the libraries with the subscriptions or is that a one and done deal?
Selected where? Are you on Connect?
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Mark, how about subscriptions for laymen like me? Will I get the new features as soon as they are out? What are the advantages, and how much will it cost me (monthly or yearly)? Will smart search be available to us too?
Thanks,
Joseph
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Dave Hooton said:Frank Sauer said:
So as of now, as we wait on Mark's list - what is worth the $240 for two years of Pro, never mind $700.... Also we were always able to get the Full Feature Set at a better price with a Package Upgrade that included books as well....
Mark's list won't tell you what is available in October 2026, when you would have paid $200 for Pro as an L10 Owner or $500 without the discount.
The price to keep "Full" features on Max would be $260 and $700.
If not a subscriber it is moot to talk about past offerings and discounts when they are not on offer.
The $240 was for the monthly subscriber rate, sure it can be either $200 or $260 with the Annual payments - the point I was making and you actually alluded to was that we will NOT know what we are paying for with the new Logos.... We knew what we were purchasing the traditional path..... So it could be $200 for instant light/dark mode.... No one knows - not even Mark, as he has publicly admitted already! So again, the new Logos is the equivalent of the old gumball machine - stick your money in, turn the crank and you may or may not like what you receive for your investment....
Also, whether or not someone subscribe does not make their opinion moot!!! As customers we can speak our minds and continue to press the company that we have supported to do what is right for ALL customers - they may ignore us, they may take baby steps to see how much they can get away with (we now at least have the fallback license - though who knows what that actually means for value/cost).... But I will continue to talk about past offerings and discounts whether you or any of the other forum users that decide to take a negative view of the view of others like it or NOT!!!
Some on this forum love to make negative statements toward those of us against it (some are comments that they'd never make face to face as the Forum Guidelines suggest, but then want to point to how great Logos is treating us and that they are giving us a Fallback License - how many times do these people need to be reminded that they wouldn't have done that without those of us push our "moot" points continually?????
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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No. I just clicked on the link for early access on the Logos 10 Sale page and it took me to a place where I could select from the 3 subscription levels. After I did that, if offered me a chance to buy a discounted library.
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Joseph Luna said:
Mark, how about subscriptions for laymen like me? Will I get the new features as soon as they are out? What are the advantages, and how much will it cost me (monthly or yearly)? Will smart search be available to us too?
Thanks,
Joseph
Are you a Connect subscriber. or do you own the Full Feature Set for Logos 10?
If so, Logos Premium would be $6.99/month or $69,99/yr; Logos Pro would be $9.99/month or $99.99/yr; and Logos Max would be $12.99/month or $129.99/yr.
If you are not a subscriber now and do not own the FFS, then it would pay in the long run to buy the Full Feature Set at the discount now offered.
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Joseph Luna said:
Mark, how about subscriptions for laymen like me? Will I get the new features as soon as they are out? What are the advantages, and how much will it cost me (monthly or yearly)? Will smart search be available to us too?
There are currently three tiers available: one aimed at lay leaders, one aimed at pastors, and one aimed at those who want to go deep into the original languages. It's possible that in the future, we might add an additional tier below all these aimed at lay people.
That said, lay people who like to go deep into their study will sometimes be using very similar study methods to lay leaders, pastors, or academics. If that's you, you might be better off with Logos Premium, Logos Pro, or Logos Max. You should see pricing at https://www.logos.com/early-access/subscriptions
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Hi Mark
May I offer to help you beta test new features in the future please? I continue to hope you can scale down with what I would call "easy access" so newbies and casual users can make use of Logos and all its features. Some of the more specialized stuff you all do so well is lost on me but accessing things that a common everyday Logos user say in a group bible study might use - would be nice.
Respectfully,
Joshua Lieder
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This has probably already been asked, but is Logos/Faithlife committing to permanently supporting the existing version in regards to defects and security problems? Or is support going to end for the existing (purchased) software at some point?
It's a bit disingenuous to say "you keep your books," when the only way to access those books is through what will ultimately be a non-operational, potentially insecure piece of software.
Once you go to subscriptions, it looks like you're going to stop selling access to individual books. At least that's the implication of the "levels" you're offering. Is this true?
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Russ White said:
And one more ... Once you go to subscriptions, it looks like you're going to stop selling access to individual books. At least that's the implication of the "levels" you're offering. Is this true?
I'm sorry and I don't mean to offend, but where on earth are you getting that from? Logos is a book seller. They're not going to stop selling books. That's their main source of revenue.
I'm not thrilled with the idea of another subscription, though the deal has gotten sweeter and I probably will eventually go for it. But some of the fears that have been expressed in this season are... let me find the right way to express this... rather far disconnected from the realities of the situation.
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Sean said:Russ White said:
And one more ... Once you go to subscriptions, it looks like you're going to stop selling access to individual books. At least that's the implication of the "levels" you're offering. Is this true?
I'm sorry and I don't mean to offend, but where on earth are you getting that from? Logos is a book seller. They're not going to stop selling books. That's their main source of revenue.
I'm getting this from reading the information about the subscription service. There's nothing in there about new books, just about the books you will get with the subscription.
What if selling the subscription becomes a larger source of revenue than selling books? Is Logos/Faithlife committed, for the long haul, to keeping existing user investments in place--even if it's no longer making them money?
Overall, I don't just dislike subscription services, I also dislike cloud-based services in theory and practice.
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I'm not sure "disingenuous" is a proper characterization. Logos has said repeatedly that they have no plans of going away, that they are committed to a generational presence which means that your books will be available to you for as long as they can see. I can't speak about security issues. I also think that it would go without saying that anyone who buys a digital book nowadays does so with the understanding that using a digital book is wholly dependent on the software needed to read it, and that software updates are part of using digital resources. This is true of Logos, Kindle, PDFs, Word files, etc.
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David McClister said:
I also think that it would go without saying that anyone who buys a digital book nowadays does so with the understanding that using a digital book is wholly dependent on the software needed to read it, and that software updates are part of using digital resources. This is true of Logos, Kindle, PDFs, Word files, etc.
I would really like to believe this is the case, but it often isn't in the real world. It costs money to keep software updated. New operating systems need to be supported. Code gets old. I know the costs involved as I work in IT. I've lost books (and other media) I purchased in other formats because the reader software was simply no longer supported.
It's easy to say "we're going to do this." It's harder to actually do it.
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Who says the target audience is only pastors? Much of the point of this was to make Bible study more convenient and affordable for the rest of us.
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Brittany Correa said:
Who says the target audience is only pastors? Much of the point of this was to make Bible study more convenient and affordable for the rest of us.
I think you were replying to David Thomas who was speaking about Logos Pro.
The information at https://www.logos.com/early-access/subscriptions suggests that Logos Pro is "Perfect for pastors and ministry leaders who preach regularly."
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That's the trouble with the subscription model. Now there are perpetual investment minimums to be able to access the content at all.
What I wouldn't give to be able to go back to perpetual licensure of Microsoft Word...
It's crazy. It's people in poverty who are most in need of connection and those who serve.
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Brittany Correa said:
Now there are perpetual investment minimums to be able to access the content at all.
It is not true that one will need to subscribe to use any of the content. Ones content will always be available along with the ability to use bible and commentary side by side and aligned. There will be many other facilities in the basic program that will make it ideal for the the average Joe who wants to study the Bible systematically for their own spiritual development.
To my mind the subscription levels cater for the hobby bible study person who wants to develop their knowledge or the congregation leader (teacher, pastor or evangelist) who need to have information at a deeper level to dabble in apologetics, or the academic who just needs tools to study.
There are many who want features for the sake of having features, just as there many who want a base package at a high level for the sake of having a base package at a high level.
Try just using the basic set up and then purchase what you need rather than what you want. You may find that subscriptions never darken your door or you may find that a particular subscription is worth every penny you invest.
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Mike
Now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs. Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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What I was saying was that I would need a subscription for perpetual access to feature content.
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Brittany Correa said:
I would need a subscription for perpetual access to feature content.
Maybe you should define exactly what you mean by "feature content".
If you mean your books/bibles/etc then NO you do not need a subscription to do that. The official Logos folks (which I am not one of) have repeatedly in most of these threads stated that this is the case.
If on the other hand you mean to be able to USE a feature such as the new Insights panel, then yes that would take a subscription.
All that said, the official Logos people have also stated that any current "Feature" that you have paid for (not subscribed to but actually purchased a license for) you will keep that access.
They have also stated that they will always have the free engine that will continuously receive updates for new OS's and such.
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Well...Sir...books aren't features...but...yeah... I kind of gathered I'd be able to use what I already have...Um...Thanks...
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Brittany Correa said:
books aren't features...but...yeah... I kind of gathered I'd be able to use what I already have
Logos has clearly stated that if you have purchased any features, you will never lose access to those features.
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Yeah, but they've also said they're not prepared to turn down money put toward access to features we've already paid for, so we might as well do our best to make sure we only pay for that once.
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This sums up my concerns really well..
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Roy said:
All that said, the official Logos people have also stated that any current "Feature" that you have paid for (not subscribed to but actually purchased a license for) you will keep that access.
They have also stated that they will always have the free engine that will continuously receive updates for new OS's and such.
Yes, but what do they mean by that? For instance, I have the full feature package. I have Factbook. But one of the things included in the subscriptions is "revisions to Factbook sections that enhance their usefulness".
So are they going to start having multiple versions of features, one for how it is right now, and then another that they update and improve? It almost looks that way.
I would have thought that if I have Factbook, then I'd have access to all of it. Which would make sense because Factbook works off of your books - so the more books you have, the better your Factbook will be, which should encourage you to buy more books.
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