What PBs are you working on?
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John Brooks said:
Maybe you shouldn't do "high quality" productions of those public domain titles. I realize a lot of work goes into making your books, but when the same material is available on other platforms for literally a 1/10 of your price, you've got to ask whether your procedures can be streamlined.
I see your point but I have a slightly different perspective. When I NEED a public domain title, I want a high quality production. When it is a nice/fun to have, I can compile my own sloppy PB. But I admit to having a much smaller collection than most MVP's - well, at least in electronic format.
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Dominick Sela said:
This is my understanding of what Bob said. I realize this is not Logos-authoritative, but I thought there may be some value in seeing how another user read what Bob said.
Very well stated Dominick.
I hope everyone understands Bob's position regarding competing duplicate titles in PBB. The only way the system can be viable is if Logos does not fund their competition. There are millions of books out there that Logos will never get around to publishing. I hope we can get busy using the PBB tools to produce those works for our own use. The Logos PBB bookstore can be better viewed as a "vanity press." You can write, promote, sell and distribute your own works to your heart's content. This will be a great help to professors, pastors and prolific unsigned authors.
Please do note Bob said the policies are not nailed down yet. I suppose Logos could develop appropriate policy in response to how PBB tools are used. Logos is providing this for free so we are subject to how they license it. Let us not "go London" on our Benefactor. [:@]
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Super Tramp said:
Logos is providing this for free so we are subject to how they license it.
Has it been officially confirmed that the Personal Books function is a free one for all "package" levels? The ability to create and read PBBs hasn't been free in the past.
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just saw the Official Logos Email - Personal Book Builder is free for all.
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Linden said:Lynden Williams said:
I will start with documents that I want in Logos from our Biblical Research Insitute website, and then proceed from there.
Any plans to make these available via Logos or another source?
Just saw your post. Will make them available via word as soon as I finish. Started on the one on the Sabbath. Taking some time, many footnotes, and I am just learning PBB's. I have managed to complete the Adult study Bible Guide for his week
.8540.8512.Test-TOC(2010).docx
Had to rely on the brothers in the forum to help with the table of contents, and formatting.
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For my first dive into PB's, I'm working on Book VI of John Gill's Body of Doctrinal Divinity. About halfway through checking formatting and adding page numbers (basing pagination on http://tcnr.me/0gt01 ).
Wanted access to this resource and the John Gill collection in community pricing isn't exactly moving fast.
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Bob Pritchett said:
I just want to give a quick "heads up" about the PBB distribution terms. While you'll be able to build whatever you want with PBB, distribution will be supported via our Logos online systems. (Both from your personal page as well as from a central bookstore.)
The bookstore will make it easy to share content with others, and will offer the same cloud-based downloading, syncing, multi-computer use, etc. that Logos-created books support.
For this reason, though, Logos is going to have some content restrictions on the bookstore -- we aren't looking to create an editing tool, for example, that lets people create lower-quality and lower-price versions of public domain content we sell in high-quality editions, and then use our systems, servers, etc. to distribute them.
The policies and procedures aren't done, and we're still thinking through all the issues. But I want to point out early-on that the goal of PBB is to support "personal" use. This means you can do whatever you want for yourself, but if you want to use our systems to share/distribute the content, we'll be offering support for sharing your "personal" content, not for going into competition with Logos on public domain (or licensed non-PD) content.
-- Bob
Looking forward to the bookstore. Thank you.
I understand the limitation on you guys distributing the PBB's of public domain works you sell. I agree with it. Are you going to limit it only to public domain works that you sell? Or all public domain works of which we are not the original authors?
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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Working on some short, lesser known stuff by Jeremiah Burroughs ... but the original copy I have is pretty lousy, so it's tedious going.
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Working on Theology of the Body by John Paul II.
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As soon as the "Bookstore" opens I have completed compiled L4 PBBs to share of:
- Grace and Glory, by Geerhardus Vos
- The Teaching of Jesus Concerning the Kingdom of God and the Church, by Geerhardus Vos
- The Typology of Scripture, Vol. 1, by Patrick Fairbairn
- The Typology of Scripture, Vol. 2, by Patrick Fairbairn
- The Prophecies of the Prophet Ezekiel Elucidated, by E.W. Hengstenberg
- Egypt and the Books of Moses, by E.W. Hengstenberg
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I could use everyone's advise on this one. Using a firefox plugin called downthemall and Word Macros I am able to convert all of John MacArthur's sermons into a commentary format. I currently have three or four books completed. Primarily as a proof of concept test run. This would be for my own personal, non-distributed purposes. I emailed GTY but have not received a reply. According to your reading of their permissions here would this project fit within the bounds of what they have pre-approved?
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Halo Hound said:
I could use everyone's advise on this one. Using a firefox plugin called downthemall and Word Macros I am able to convert all of John MacArthur's sermons into a commentary format. I currently have three or four books completed. Primarily as a proof of concept test run. This would be for my own personal, non-distributed purposes. I emailed GTY but have not received a reply. According to your reading of their permissions here would this project fit within the bounds of what they have pre-approved?
Sounds like you're fine to me. You're not even going to distribute copies, so you are well within their boundaries.
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Bob Pritchett said:
For this reason, though, Logos is going to have some content restrictions on the bookstore -- we aren't looking to create an editing tool, for example, that lets people create lower-quality and lower-price versions of public domain content we sell in high-quality editions, and then use our systems, servers, etc. to distribute them.
If a PD item is already available from Logos we can just search the Products page and see if it is already in Logos. But what about the items in Pre-Pub or CP that may not be available for years? What about the items that are 'next' on your list of PD items to make available over the next few years?
[My recommendation would be to allow the PB until the Logos version is available - maybe with a notice that Logos is trying to make it available - and in some cases Logos might want to acquire the docx file as a starting place (many of the PB will not be 'low quality works' except maybe in looks - i.e. all needed links will be there)]
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Jacob Hantla said:
Looking forward to the bookstore. Thank you.
I understand the limitation on you guys distributing the PBB's of public domain works you sell. I agree with it. Are you going to limit it only to public domain works that you sell? Or all public domain works of which we are not the original authors?
We're still finalizing the policies. But in general, the bookstore is for your own content. If users start uploading public domain stuff we haven't done yet, it will destroy the market for high quality editions we might do. This ends a major source of revenue for Logos, and limits all the user's to possibly lower-quality editions. If we fight quality by allowing multiple people to submit their own editions of the same PD books, now the store gets cluttered with hard-to-distinguish multiple editions of the same works. You might take notes on a low quality edition and then find a higher quality edition available later, and then want to move your notes from one to another. And to distinguish between good/bad editions people would start building "brands" of editions (even if the brand was just their name), and then we're creating a big free-for-all marketplace that generates no revenue.
Etc.
-- Bob
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So Bob, correct me if I am wrong, but if I read your post correctly, you do not intend for PBBs to be publicly shared in the same way that they were under Libronix. This is a disappointment.
Many PBB authors created PBBs of books Logos has not created and never would create a PBB if one was available from Logos. Not one of the books mentioned in my earlier post in this thread is offered by Logos. In fact, several PBBs that I made for Libronix I will not be compiling for Logos 4 because there are now Logos resources of those PBBs or soon will be (Hengstenberg's commentary on the Psalms, William Ramsay's works).
I understand and respect the revenue issue, but I am hoping there is a better way forward.
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What if there would be a statement in all of the PBBs that would be offered via the store that the person who produces the given PBB agrees with terms or guidelines that would include taking off PBB from the public if Logos produces the same book or resource? You think it would work? It would not solve the problem of a few different versions of the same publication though.
Bohuslav
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Bob Pritchett said:
If users start uploading public domain stuff we haven't done yet, it will destroy the market for high quality editions we might do.
Bob, what are your thoughts re: 19th century hymnals, ancient liturgical rites, church creeds, religious poetry and art etc. ... i.e. related materials that don't appear to be in Logos' long term plans - although they may well be?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Bob Pritchett said:Jacob Hantla said:
Looking forward to the bookstore. Thank you.
I understand the limitation on you guys distributing the PBB's of public domain works you sell. I agree with it. Are you going to limit it only to public domain works that you sell? Or all public domain works of which we are not the original authors?
We're still finalizing the policies. But in general, the bookstore is for your own content. If users start uploading public domain stuff we haven't done yet, it will destroy the market for high quality editions we might do. This ends a major source of revenue for Logos, and limits all the user's to possibly lower-quality editions. If we fight quality by allowing multiple people to submit their own editions of the same PD books, now the store gets cluttered with hard-to-distinguish multiple editions of the same works. You might take notes on a low quality edition and then find a higher quality edition available later, and then want to move your notes from one to another. And to distinguish between good/bad editions people would start building "brands" of editions (even if the brand was just their name), and then we're creating a big free-for-all marketplace that generates no revenue.
Etc.
-- Bob
That makes sense and is reasonable. Let me make sure I understand
- We are free to use PBB to make our own versions of public domain works but not distribute them via Logos' store
- Logos remains the only official distributor and creator of public domain works
- The store becomes an awesome and effective place for us to distribute (Sell?) our own individual works, i.e. self-publis.
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
What if there would be a statement in all of the PBBs that would be offered via the store that the person who produces the given PBB agrees with terms or guidelines that would include taking off PBB from the public if Logos produces the same book or resource? You think it would work? It would not solve the problem of a few different versions of the same publication though.
Hi! When the PB store (and PB sync) will be launched?
I hope the PB store could work as Bohuslav suggested. There's so much PDs Logos will probably never publish, that limiting all the PDs off is not necessary. And if Logos is going to publish a PD that is already in PB store, they could remove the existing PB.
About different versions of the same publication: I suggest there could be some way to send a private message to the person who has made the PB, so if someone wants to help to improve the PB he could ask for the docx and send it back after editing for recompiling.
Another suggestion: If there will be very well made PBs, some of them could be changed to official Logos resources (is that easy or would the book need to be totally re-tagged?). Especialy Bible translations of non-English languages (I think Logos should have the Bible in as many languages as possible, at least one free translation / language and PBs could help a lot for that effort).
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I am very interested in the two volume work Typology of Scripture for Logos 4. Any suggestions. I have a print copy, but I'd love to have a Logos 4 Library resource in addition.
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Larry,
I would be happy to provide the Word files to you, but there is one issue. Last I compiled them, there were some issues with the accent marks for the greek not displaying correctly and order for the hebrew words was reversed in some cases. This is supposed to be corrected in a future release, but I don't know if that has been released (and I haven't had time to re-compile the resources with the current beta).
Bill
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Bill - Thanks for the reply -
Since I have zero experience compiling PPB resources, I would not know how to utilize the Word files.
Perhaps you can suggest the procedure. If so, I would be willing to learn.
Larry
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Bill,
Having worked with Greek and Hebrew I would love to have those docx files and would go through them as time permits to do corrections.
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The problem with the original language words is with the compiler. I believe that I typed the words in correctly when I made the Logos 3 versions. I wouldn't mind having another set of eyes take a look at it, though.
I'll upload the files later when I have a chance to zip them up.
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Practiced with Darwin's "Descent of Man" (volume 1)
Spent the last month with A. D.White's, "A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom" (1896)
- - - checking all work against a first edition copy I own.
It looks like it will be for my personal use only.
After the time I spent formatting and tagging I truly appreciate the length of time a pre-pub takes.
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Would like these titles but your downloads don't work.. Please post each on Forum as directed by LOGOS they will appear on the WIKI List (http://community.logos.com/forums/t/40588.aspx) or send via email morganfj at gmail.. thanks
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Download links not working.. please post on forum individually or send copy via email morganfj at gmail Thank MJ Sincerely Fred
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Fred, it helps if you say whose post you are responding to. It was MJ's post you clicked Reply to (which we can see by following your Replied link), but she was quoting Blair's post, so he's really the one you should be addressing this to.
I had problems downloading his files at first too by clicking on the links he provided (the Download button on the pages those links took me to did nothing), but then I just went to the main website address (http://divinesoteriology.com), clicked the Books link on the left, and then I was able to download them by clicking on each book title in sequence.
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