What PBs are you working on?
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Mikko Paavola said:
My suggestion is that there would be three options for PBs: Private, Public and Group.
I think this is what Bob P. had said would be done.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
just 'cause
Me thinks thine cause is just.
If your product is anything like your Creeds or cool visual content, I can't wait to see it.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Blair, thank you!
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Bob Pritchett said:
For this reason, though, Logos is going to have some content restrictions on the bookstore -- we aren't looking to create an editing tool, for example, that lets people create lower-quality and lower-price versions of public domain content we sell in high-quality editions, and then use our systems, servers, etc. to distribute them.
This means you can do whatever you want for yourself, but if you want to use our systems to share/distribute the content, we'll be offering support for sharing your "personal" content, not for going into competition with Logos on public domain (or licensed non-PD) content.
-- Bob
that is too bad (competition is a good thing)! As the result, I will no longer purchase "high-quality editions" of Public Domain books from Logos. This is partly due to the very low regard from the company to user-created data and content.
Also, I don't like the assumption that user-created resources are "lower-quality." First of all, I have personally submitted dozens of typos in "superior" official resources. Secondly, if it were not for hundreds of loyal logos customers submitting bugs, suggestions, feedback, etc. official logos features and even resources would not be what they are.
As far as distributing "personal" PBBs, a very simple work-around (for the end users) would be to share source files instead of .logos4 files.
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Vladimir Lukyanov said:
Also, I don't like the assumption that user-created resources are "lower-quality."
I certainly will not claim better typo control than Logos. But I think the basis for the Logos assumption is in the tagging not the editing. Most of us making PB's will not make the effort to match terminology to the Logos Controlled Vocabulary. Nor will I attempt to get Logos to add all the vocabulary that my PB's will use nor to even recognize all the languages. My attempt to making a Sogdian grammar into a PB has not met with great success. I have trouble even getting the text converted reasonably from a scan.[:(] I don't think of sharing sources as a work-around as much as a standard option for "pulp paper" editions. As a PB provider I would not want to "compete" with Logos because of the potential for misunderstandings with newer users. On the other hand, if I've got a high quality PB, I wouldn't mind Logos using it as a base for their edition in exchange for a few new resources.[:D]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
I would mind
Hi MJ
For clarification - did you mean "I wouldn't mind"?
That seemed to be more in line with what you were saying but just checking!!
Graham
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Graham Criddle said:
For clarification - did you mean "I wouldn't mind"?
Thanks - I said I wasn't a great proofreader. I leave that skill to my sister.[;)]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Vladimir Lukyanov said:
that is too bad (competition is a good thing)! As the result, I will no longer purchase "high-quality editions" of Public Domain books from Logos. This is partly due to the very low regard from the company to user-created data and content.
As far as distributing "personal" PBBs, a very simple work-around (for the end users) would be to share source files instead of .logos4 files.
Just to clarify, Bob is saying, through this post and the actions Logos has taken with Personal Books:
1. Logos gives you a product for free (Personal Book) to build your own resources
2. Resources built with this tool are "first class" citizens in the Logos library (searching, highlighting, tagging etc. works the same as Logos resources)
3. Logos offers a store for users to share their resources with others in the same way as they purchase Logos resources, with the same functionality (license, sync, multiple device support, etc.)
4. In return Logos restricts content through THEIR FREE store with THEIR FREE tool to content that you own copyright to, or public domain/free content that does not compete with the same resource offered by Logos.
5. You can still share your content with anyone you want, subject to your own copyright compliance of course, outside the Logos purchasing systems
6. Therefore you are not restricted from building or sharing your own version of a public domain/free resource
7. Therefore you are not charged for building a competitive public domain/free resource
Does this really seem like an unreasonable policy to anyone? Just checking....
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MJ. Smith said:
I'm working on a variety of catechisms that aren't available in Logos - primarily from the Reformed tradition but covering a variety of groups along with some chart sermons and Nestorian and Coptic materials.
Thanks MJ, Looking forward to the time we can use them. [:D]
http://hombrereformado.blogspot.com/ Solo a Dios la Gloria Apoyo
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I'm planning to put Jonathan Edwards' "History of the Work of Redemption" in PBB. I'm going to wait until I'm sure the formatting requirements are finalized.
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Not sure if this is the best place to ask this question, but is there (or will there be) a somewhat definitive step-by-step guide for creating PBs? Although I have lots of experience in Word, I've never built a PB and look forward to it. Thanks.
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I don't have a bit of problem with Bob's policy...when (or IF) they decide that they can or want to make an official version of the official LDS scriptures...i'd be willing to pay for them...but until then....I'm going to attempt to make PBB's.
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Joseph Najera said:
Not sure if this is the best place to ask this question, but is there (or will there be) a somewhat definitive step-by-step guide for creating PBs? Although I have lots of experience in Word, I've never built a PB and look forward to it. Thanks.
Mark Barnes will not be as quick with a video this time around, but if I'm not mistaken there is a plan for one. I'll try to pay attention and if he just can't swing it, I'm sure someone will assemble a video or at least a step by step Wiki Page.
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Dominick Sela said:
5. You can still share your content with anyone you want, subject to your own copyright compliance of course, outside the Logos purchasing systems
6. Therefore you are not restricted from building or sharing your own version of a public domain/free resource
7. Therefore you are not charged for building a competitive public domain/free resource
I agreed with your points 1-4.
And perhaps even 6-7.
But the way you have worded 5 does not appear to be backed up by Bob's post. He says "no" competition for Logos Public domain books. Period.
[therefore making 6-7 not really "worth" any thing?]
Regards, SteveF
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Thomas Black said:
I'm sure someone will assemble a video or at least a step by step Wiki Page
Step by Step is more like mis-step by mis-adventure at the moment[:)] but I'm trying to keep up with events in http://wiki.logos.com/Personal_Books. I will refine it as syntax and bugs are settled but won't be attempting anything like a true step-by-step.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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SteveF said:Dominick Sela said:
5. You can still share your content with anyone you want, subject to your own copyright compliance of course, outside the Logos purchasing systems
6. Therefore you are not restricted from building or sharing your own version of a public domain/free resource
7. Therefore you are not charged for building a competitive public domain/free resource
I agreed with your points 1-4.
And perhaps even 6-7.
But the way you have worded 5 does not appear to be backed up by Bob's post. He says "no" competition for Logos Public domain books. Period.
[therefore making 6-7 not really "worth" any thing?]
I think you should read it again, he does NOT say ""no" competition for Logos Public domain books. Period". Read on...
Bob was speaking about the use of the Logos systems, "bookstore" to offer our PB's. You always have the ability to give/send someone your PB source file, they compile/build it, and they have the resource in their library. If you read the thread you will see that option will be there and will not be prevented. That's #5, and why #6 and #7 are valid.
Here again is the relevant quotes from his reply, note especially the bolded part:
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For this reason, though, Logos is going to have some content restrictions on the bookstore -- we aren't looking to create an editing tool, for example, that lets people create lower-quality and lower-price versions of public domain content we sell in high-quality editions, and then use our systems, servers, etc. to distribute them.
The policies and procedures aren't done, and we're still thinking through all the issues. But I want to point out early-on that the goal of PBB is to support "personal" use. This means you can do whatever you want for yourself, but if you want to use our systems to share/distribute the content, we'll be offering support for sharing your "personal" content, not for going into competition with Logos on public domain (or licensed non-PD) content.
The bolded parts say:
Content restrictions are on the BOOKSTORE not anything else
Can't use LOGOS SYSTEMS to distribute them
You can do whatever you want to share your own PB source files (the only way to share PBs outside of the Logos systems)
Hope that helps!
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Dave Hooton said:
I will refine it as syntax and bugs are settled but won't be attempting anything like a true step-by-step.
4.3 is now "Gold" (or in the Stable channel) and I've noticed that the updated Help file has useful information under "Personal books".
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dominick Sela said:
You always have the ability to give/send someone your PB source file, they compile/build it, and they have the resource in their library.
Yes...(but it will still never be available for download as a book--versus the "old" way of doing things at the "Still Truth" site).
Sorry, but I just thought you were defending Bob's decision a little too vigorously to someone who was in disagreement with that policy. (and yes, Bob, has the right to make any decision he wishes).
I guess at this point we are into "hair-spitting"?
Regards
Regards, SteveF
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Lynden Williams said:
I will start with documents that I want in Logos from our Biblical Research Insitute website, and then proceed from there.
Any plans to make these available via Logos or another source?
Linden
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Maybe you shouldn't do "high quality" productions of those public domain titles. I realize a lot of work goes into making your books, but when the same material is available on other platforms for literally a 1/10 of your price, you've got to ask whether your procedures can be streamlined.
Remember that most of your customers are not only family, but among the poorest of the family.
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John Brooks said:
Maybe you shouldn't do "high quality" productions of those public domain titles. I realize a lot of work goes into making your books, but when the same material is available on other platforms for literally a 1/10 of your price, you've got to ask whether your procedures can be streamlined.
I see your point but I have a slightly different perspective. When I NEED a public domain title, I want a high quality production. When it is a nice/fun to have, I can compile my own sloppy PB. But I admit to having a much smaller collection than most MVP's - well, at least in electronic format.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Dominick Sela said:
This is my understanding of what Bob said. I realize this is not Logos-authoritative, but I thought there may be some value in seeing how another user read what Bob said.
Very well stated Dominick.
I hope everyone understands Bob's position regarding competing duplicate titles in PBB. The only way the system can be viable is if Logos does not fund their competition. There are millions of books out there that Logos will never get around to publishing. I hope we can get busy using the PBB tools to produce those works for our own use. The Logos PBB bookstore can be better viewed as a "vanity press." You can write, promote, sell and distribute your own works to your heart's content. This will be a great help to professors, pastors and prolific unsigned authors.
Please do note Bob said the policies are not nailed down yet. I suppose Logos could develop appropriate policy in response to how PBB tools are used. Logos is providing this for free so we are subject to how they license it. Let us not "go London" on our Benefactor. [:@]
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Super Tramp said:
Logos is providing this for free so we are subject to how they license it.
Has it been officially confirmed that the Personal Books function is a free one for all "package" levels? The ability to create and read PBBs hasn't been free in the past.
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just saw the Official Logos Email - Personal Book Builder is free for all.
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Linden said:Lynden Williams said:
I will start with documents that I want in Logos from our Biblical Research Insitute website, and then proceed from there.
Any plans to make these available via Logos or another source?
Just saw your post. Will make them available via word as soon as I finish. Started on the one on the Sabbath. Taking some time, many footnotes, and I am just learning PBB's. I have managed to complete the Adult study Bible Guide for his week
.8540.8512.Test-TOC(2010).docx
Had to rely on the brothers in the forum to help with the table of contents, and formatting.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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For my first dive into PB's, I'm working on Book VI of John Gill's Body of Doctrinal Divinity. About halfway through checking formatting and adding page numbers (basing pagination on http://tcnr.me/0gt01 ).
Wanted access to this resource and the John Gill collection in community pricing isn't exactly moving fast.
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Bob Pritchett said:
I just want to give a quick "heads up" about the PBB distribution terms. While you'll be able to build whatever you want with PBB, distribution will be supported via our Logos online systems. (Both from your personal page as well as from a central bookstore.)
The bookstore will make it easy to share content with others, and will offer the same cloud-based downloading, syncing, multi-computer use, etc. that Logos-created books support.
For this reason, though, Logos is going to have some content restrictions on the bookstore -- we aren't looking to create an editing tool, for example, that lets people create lower-quality and lower-price versions of public domain content we sell in high-quality editions, and then use our systems, servers, etc. to distribute them.
The policies and procedures aren't done, and we're still thinking through all the issues. But I want to point out early-on that the goal of PBB is to support "personal" use. This means you can do whatever you want for yourself, but if you want to use our systems to share/distribute the content, we'll be offering support for sharing your "personal" content, not for going into competition with Logos on public domain (or licensed non-PD) content.
-- Bob
Looking forward to the bookstore. Thank you.
I understand the limitation on you guys distributing the PBB's of public domain works you sell. I agree with it. Are you going to limit it only to public domain works that you sell? Or all public domain works of which we are not the original authors?
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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Working on some short, lesser known stuff by Jeremiah Burroughs ... but the original copy I have is pretty lousy, so it's tedious going.
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Working on Theology of the Body by John Paul II.
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As soon as the "Bookstore" opens I have completed compiled L4 PBBs to share of:
- Grace and Glory, by Geerhardus Vos
- The Teaching of Jesus Concerning the Kingdom of God and the Church, by Geerhardus Vos
- The Typology of Scripture, Vol. 1, by Patrick Fairbairn
- The Typology of Scripture, Vol. 2, by Patrick Fairbairn
- The Prophecies of the Prophet Ezekiel Elucidated, by E.W. Hengstenberg
- Egypt and the Books of Moses, by E.W. Hengstenberg
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