What PBs are you working on?

With the news that the PB tool is going to be free I've begun playing more with larger books. Last night I learned some lessons while converting CCEL's Summa Theologica to PB.

1) When dealing with Large Word Documents let the resource repagenate completely before starting to work with it.

2) Give everything a style and minimize the number of styles used. It's a lot easier to simply modify a style then to go line-by-line through the document.

3) Don't double space. This resulted in way too much space between paragraphs when I brought it into Logos. Instead Single space everything and apply different paragraph spacings to your various styles.

So far I've worked on two larger resources, both from CCEL; Summa Theologica-Thomas Aquinas and Exposition of Scripture: 2 Cor, Gal, Phil, Col, Thess, 1 Tim.-MacLaren. Below is a screen shot of what they look like in L4. I highly doubt Summa is at the Logos version's quality. There are many errors in it and I do not know how many of them are a result of my formatting procedures and which are inherent in the CCEL version.

What PBs are you working on?

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Lynden O. Williams

Wuff, wuff. I never built anything in L3, so the learning curve is going to be greater for me. I will start with documents that I want in Logos from our Biblical Research Insitute website, and then proceed from there.

DominicM

Working on a couple of titles, but source is a mess may have to abandon..but am looking at it from a different angle... have written a program to strip the source and rejoin all the paragraphs, strip the bad characters out of the text, may have found a way to export it direct to docx

its looking a bit better am gonna add milestones.in the text file, at least it will hopefully by end of night.. hopefullly then I can pull it into Word for final finishing..

but I need to run some tests as I may have found a way of writing the text out as a docx.. but need to run a lot more tests

Bohuslav Wojnar

Bibles, Bibles, Bibles... [:)]

I am still waiting to see the possibility to assign the "BibleText" Search Field tag to the Biblical text to get Copy Bible Verses or Bible Search working properly with the PB Bibles.

It used to be a "Known Issue" in the former Beta Release Notes but now in the Logos 4.3 RC1 "Known Issues" it is absent. I just posted a separate thread on this issue: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/36274.aspx

Milford Charles Murray

Peace to my Forum Brothers and Sisters! *smile*

I've made two books successfully. Worked well.

What did not work is my Table of Contents.... Although I've used Word since Word 6, I've never before tackled a table of contents....

Would anyone be willing to post a .docx file with a working table of contents that I could learn from ---- perhaps emulate ???

It would most certainly speed up my "learning curve"!

BTW, so far (about 15 hours) my Personal Books have NOT synched to my backup computer....

Will they ever????

Lynden O. Williams

I have footnotes in a document that are not linked. I have used bookmarks, but when they compile, they do not work. How do you create footnotes in a PBB? The footnote does not link to another book. I need to master the basics first.

MJ. Smith

I'm working on a variety of catechisms that aren't available in Logos - primarily from the Reformed tradition but covering a variety of groups along with some chart sermons and Nestorian and Coptic materials.

Matt Hamrick

I am putting all the papers I write for college in one of my books. My other books are basically going to be my own commentaries. And not sure how the SFA is going to work, but if all else fails I will use my PBB for my sermons.

DominicM

Would anyone be willing to post a .docx file with a working table of contents that I could learn from ----    perhaps emulate ???

                                             It would most certainly speed up my "learning curve"!

BTW, so far (about 15 hours) my Personal Books have NOT synched to my backup computer....

                              Will they ever????

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posting sample in files [View:http://community.logos.com/forums/t/36283.aspx:550:0]

Would anyone be willing to post a .docx file with a working table of contents that I could learn from ---- perhaps emulate ???

It would most certainly speed up my "learning curve"!

BTW, so far (about 15 hours) my Personal Books have NOT synched to my backup computer....

Will they ever????

Have the book cover and metadata synced from machine 1 to machine 2, but the content is saying not licenced

Milford Charles Murray

Would anyone be willing to post a .docx file with a working table of contents that I could learn from ----    perhaps emulate ???

                                             It would most certainly speed up my "learning curve"!

BTW, so far (about 15 hours) my Personal Books have NOT synched to my backup computer....

                              Will they ever????

Have the book cover and metadata synced from machine 1 to machine 2, but the content is saying not licenced?

Once again, thanks, Dominic, for looking at this matter.... Nothing has synced to machine 2 ....

However, it may be just purely academic only for me at this point because my old (I mean OLD!) and trusty (at least up until today!) seems to have met its maker. Made some fan noise, then turned off. Tomorrow I will remove the back and take a peek, but am not hopeful!

Peace and Joy Always! *smile*

Blair Laird

I'm working on a variety of catechisms that aren't available in Logos - primarily from the Reformed tradition but covering a variety of groups along with some chart sermons and Nestorian and Coptic materials.

I have finished

The Anathemas of the Second Council of Constantinople
The Augsburg confession
THE BAPTIST CONFESSION OF FAITH OF 1689
The Belgic Confession
The Canons of Dordt
The Canons of the Council of Orange
THE SECOND HELVETIC CONFESSION

you can download the .docx files

http://divinesoteriology.com/archives/category/bible-studies

Bohuslav Wojnar

Bibles, Bibles, Bibles...

I am still waiting to see the possibility to assign the "BibleText" Search Field tag to the Biblical text to get Copy Bible Verses or Bible Search working properly with the PB Bibles.

It used to be a "Known Issue" in the former Beta Release Notes but now in the Logos 4.3 RC1 "Known Issues" it is absent. I just posted a separate thread on this issue: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/36274.aspx

This issue is resolved already in the Logos 4.3 RC1. See the above link to the thread in which there is more information in the matter.

Bob Pritchett

I just want to give a quick "heads up" about the PBB distribution terms. While you'll be able to build whatever you want with PBB, distribution will be supported via our Logos online systems. (Both from your personal page as well as from a central bookstore.)

The bookstore will make it easy to share content with others, and will offer the same cloud-based downloading, syncing, multi-computer use, etc. that Logos-created books support.

For this reason, though, Logos is going to have some content restrictions on the bookstore -- we aren't looking to create an editing tool, for example, that lets people create lower-quality and lower-price versions of public domain content we sell in high-quality editions, and then use our systems, servers, etc. to distribute them.

The policies and procedures aren't done, and we're still thinking through all the issues. But I want to point out early-on that the goal of PBB is to support "personal" use. This means you can do whatever you want for yourself, but if you want to use our systems to share/distribute the content, we'll be offering support for sharing your "personal" content, not for going into competition with Logos on public domain (or licensed non-PD) content.

-- Bob

Bohuslav Wojnar

The bookstore will make it easy to share content with others, and will offer the same cloud-based downloading, syncing, multi-computer use, etc. that Logos-created books support.

Thank you Bob for the information. Just one question: will Logos provide syncing between all the platforms (PC, MAC, iPhone, iPad etc.) used by a particular user, if the book is not "public" but "personal" and in this case not visible in the Logos store?

Woah! Will we be able to bypass Logos's distribution systems and import public domain content that DOES already exist in paid logos packages on our own? I have been hoping to use several of my PBB resources from Logos 3 in Logos 4 but there are paid Logos versions of these resources already out there.

I guess what I'm asking is will you allow us to share books with each other in .lbxlls or .logos4 format via email or some other means or will we only be allowed to use your systems? I understand if you don't want your bandwidth used to distribute public domain resources you already sell, as long as we have some other means of importing resources that are in the public domain.

If we aren't allowed to share resources anymore outside of Logos's control (stilltruth.com) this will be a significant departure from the spirit of the original personal book builder program. I'd much rather have control and freedom to import and share whatever we want to like we did with Logos 3 than have the convenience of your public servers with strings attached.

NetworkGeek

Just a user, but I think Bob covered these questions....here is what I read:

Will we be able to bypass Logos's distribution systems and import public domain content that DOES already exist in paid logos packages on our own?

You can important anything you want into YOUR system and use for PERSONAL use. It will sync to YOUR devices only. It is up to you in that case to comply with copyright, etc. laws. How and what you can share is the topic of Bob's post, covered below.

will you allow us to share books with each other in .lbxlls or .logos4 format via email or some other means or will we only be allowed to use your systems?

Sharing is different - if you are putting out resources in PBB format that compete with Logos resources, they don't want that. It appears that web-site "stores" like StillTruth may decide to be tied into Logos' systems as the only was to share (which means users are licensed) the compiled final version of PBBs. If you want to put up a web site unrelated to Logos' systems you can, but there is no way technically then to share final version PBBs of resources - you would have to share the source .docx Word files and users would have to compile them on their own. This is because you could pass the final output PBB file to another user via email, but their system wouldn't recognize it because they are not licensed to use it. This is identical to the reason why I cannot email you a bunch of my Logos resources and you are then able to use them - no license.

Of course in that case you are responsible for not offering things in copyright violation as well.

So Logos' "support" for sharing final-form PBB files includes sync to all devices you own, license, indexing, all the things we get with existing resources. You can alternatively sync, license, index a resource YOURSELF by BUILDING it on your system with source.

So IMHO, a site like StillTruth can tie into Logos systems, be restricted in what is available in that it can't compete with Logos resources (we don't know how this works, those resources will clearly have a different type of license beyond a personal one for the builder of the resource), and people can download and sync PBBs just like a new Logos resource. Or a site like StillTruth could offer source .docx files without any restriction, but you download, compile, use personally, and you have no way to share other than through the source.docx files. Logos isn't preventing the dissemination of other versions of PBB resources, just preventing the use of their systems and functionality among users when those resources compete with Logos' own resources.

If we aren't allowed to share resources anymore outside of Logos's control (StillTruth.com)

Not true - see above, you can share, source files; or final PBBs if they don't compete.

This is my understanding of what Bob said. I realize this is not Logos-authoritative, but I thought there may be some value in seeing how another user read what Bob said. This policy makes sense to me, so I would be grateful if someone from Logos corrects my understanding.

spitzerpl

For this reason, though, Logos is going to have some content restrictions on the bookstore...

Understood and expected. Just on the personal side I'm also taking the position of not distributing word docs of personally created versions of anything you guys are selling. I just feel this is a safer line to draw for myself.

Jerry M

Logos books coming from public domain are notable in their quality. However, they are are also marketing convenience. So Halo, I guess this is where you are coming from. I also feel that PB's contribute to Logos loyalty. If you have time invested in them you would be less likely to look to another competitor. Back on subject, I built several theology books and was pleasantly surprised to see them appear in collections that have syntax for them!

TCBlack

If we aren't allowed to share resources anymore outside of Logos's control (stilltruth.com) this will be a significant departure from the spirit of the original personal book builder program.

Logos and I have dialogued from time to time. We have never had a conflict of interest at any level concerning PBB's This is just plain not an issue.

Ryan

I'm working on some macros for Calvin's Commentaries.

Tom

I'm working on a variety of catechisms that aren't available in Logos - primarily from the Reformed tradition but covering a variety of groups along with some chart sermons and Nestorian and Coptic materials.

Thanks MJ, Looking forward to the time we can use them. [:D]

Dave Moser

I'm planning to put Jonathan Edwards' "History of the Work of Redemption" in PBB. I'm going to wait until I'm sure the formatting requirements are finalized.

Joseph Najera

Not sure if this is the best place to ask this question, but is there (or will there be) a somewhat definitive step-by-step guide for creating PBs? Although I have lots of experience in Word, I've never built a PB and look forward to it. Thanks.

Linden

I will start with documents that I want in Logos from our Biblical Research Insitute website, and then proceed from there.

Any plans to make these available via Logos or another source?

Matthew C Jones

This is my understanding of what Bob said. I realize this is not Logos-authoritative, but I thought there may be some value in seeing how another user read what Bob said.

Very well stated Dominick.

I hope everyone understands Bob's position regarding competing duplicate titles in PBB. The only way the system can be viable is if Logos does not fund their competition. There are millions of books out there that Logos will never get around to publishing. I hope we can get busy using the PBB tools to produce those works for our own use. The Logos PBB bookstore can be better viewed as a "vanity press." You can write, promote, sell and distribute your own works to your heart's content. This will be a great help to professors, pastors and prolific unsigned authors.

Please do note Bob said the policies are not nailed down yet. I suppose Logos could develop appropriate policy in response to how PBB tools are used. Logos is providing this for free so we are subject to how they license it. Let us not "go London" on our Benefactor. [:@]

Lynden O. Williams

I will start with documents that I want in Logos from our Biblical Research Insitute website, and then proceed from there.

Any plans to make these available via Logos or another source?

Just saw your post. Will make them available via word as soon as I finish. Started on the one on the Sabbath. Taking some time, many footnotes, and I am just learning PBB's. I have managed to complete the Adult study Bible Guide for his week

.8540.8512.Test-TOC(2010).docx

Had to rely on the brothers in the forum to help with the table of contents, and formatting.

Wes Saad

For my first dive into PB's, I'm working on Book VI of John Gill's Body of Doctrinal Divinity. About halfway through checking formatting and adding page numbers (basing pagination on http://tcnr.me/0gt01 ).

Wanted access to this resource and the John Gill collection in community pricing isn't exactly moving fast. I *may* do the rest of Doctrinal Divinity later.

Debra W Bouey

Working on some short, lesser known stuff by Jeremiah Burroughs ... but the original copy I have is pretty lousy, so it's tedious going.

NetworkGeek

Working on Theology of the Body by John Paul II.

Bill Anderson

As soon as the "Bookstore" opens I have completed compiled L4 PBBs to share of:

Grace and Glory, by Geerhardus Vos
The Teaching of Jesus Concerning the Kingdom of God and the Church, by Geerhardus Vos
The Typology of Scripture, Vol. 1, by Patrick Fairbairn
The Typology of Scripture, Vol. 2, by Patrick Fairbairn
The Prophecies of the Prophet Ezekiel Elucidated, by E.W. Hengstenberg
Egypt and the Books of Moses, by E.W. Hengstenberg

All of these are former Libronix PBBs made available earlier on Stilltruth.

spitzerpl

I could use everyone's advise on this one. Using a firefox plugin called downthemall and Word Macros I am able to convert all of John MacArthur's sermons into a commentary format. I currently have three or four books completed. Primarily as a proof of concept test run. This would be for my own personal, non-distributed purposes. I emailed GTY but have not received a reply. According to your reading of their permissions here would this project fit within the bounds of what they have pre-approved?

Mr. Simple

Bill -

I am very interested in the two volume work Typology of Scripture for Logos 4. Any suggestions. I have a print copy, but I'd love to have a Logos 4 Library resource in addition.

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