What PBs are you working on?

Working on a couple of titles, but source is a mess may have to abandon..but am looking at it from a different angle... have written a program to strip the source and rejoin all the paragraphs, strip the bad characters out of the text, may have found a way to export it direct to docx

its looking a bit better am gonna add milestones.in the text file, at least it will hopefully by end of night.. hopefullly then I can pull it into Word for final finishing..

but I need to run some tests as I may have found a way of writing the text out as a docx.. but need to run a lot more tests

Peace to my Forum Brothers and Sisters!                *smile*

             I've made two books successfully.  Worked well.

What did not work is my Table of Contents....      Although I've used Word since Word 6, I've never before tackled a table of contents....

                      Would anyone be willing to post a .docx file with a working table of contents that I could learn from  ----    perhaps emulate ???                

                                             It would most certainly speed up my "learning curve"!

BTW, so far (about 15 hours) my Personal Books have NOT synched to my backup computer....

                              Will they ever????

Milford Charles Murray said:

 Would anyone be willing to post a .docx file with a working table of contents that I could learn from  ----    perhaps emulate ???                

                                             It would most certainly speed up my "learning curve"!

BTW, so far (about 15 hours) my Personal Books have NOT synched to my backup computer....

                              Will they ever????

<> means selected from sytles in ribbon bar

<Heading1>Title</Heading1>
|
+--<Heading2>Intro
+--<Paragraph>introduction text
+--<Heading2>Chapter 1
 |      |
 |     +--<Heading3>Section Header
 |            +--<Paragraph>Section Text
 +--<Heading2>Chapter 2
 |      +--<Paragraph >Section Header
+--<Heading2>Intro|
+--<Heading2>Intro|
+--<Heading2>Intro|
+--<Heading2>Intro

posting sample in files [View:http://community.logos.com/forums/t/36283.aspx:550:0]

Milford Charles Murray said:

Would anyone be willing to post a .docx file with a working table of contents that I could learn from ---- perhaps emulate ???

It would most certainly speed up my "learning curve"!

BTW, so far (about 15 hours) my Personal Books have NOT synched to my backup computer....

Will they ever????

Have the book cover and metadata synced from machine 1 to machine 2, but the content is saying not licenced

Halo Hound said:

Milford Charles Murray said:

What did not work is my Table of Contents....      Although I've used Word since Word 6, I've never before tackled a table of contents....

Just to be clear you do realize that generating a table of contents in Word is not necessary for creating a Logos resource with a table of contents. In your document go to the line you want in your Logos Table of Contents (e.g. a Chapter Title). Place the cursor anywhere on that line. Now give that line the style "Heading 1." How you do this will depend on the version of Word you are using. If you are using 2007 or 2010 click on the "Home" tab. On the ribbon along the top there will be a section called "styles." One of the styles will be "Heading 1" Click on it and it will give whatever your cursor is on that style. If you want to mark something as a subheading give it the style "Heading 2." If you don't like the formating of that style right click on the "heading 1" box on the ribbon and select "modify style." Play around with things there a bit and you'll see what happens.

You can add a table of contents to the beginning of your document if you want to. It will take everything you've labeled as "heading 1" and "Heading 2" and use those styles to complete the table of contents. After stylizing your document with your headings go to the beginning of the document. Select the "references" tab and then "Table of contents". Select the style you want and it will generate your table for you.

Thanks for your reply, Phillip!           *smile*                      Peace to you!

                    and                                                                                                Always Joy in the Lord!

     I found your information very helpful and hope in the next few days to accomplish some very nice looking private books!             *smile*

I started on the book of enoch but not really sure how to make a bible like book. So I went ahead, and started working on more arminian resources. I am currently working on 

Perseverance and
Apostasy: by Albert Nash

Bohuslav Wojnar said:

Bibles, Bibles, Bibles...

I am still waiting to see the possibility to assign the "BibleText"  Search Field tag to the Biblical text to get Copy Bible Verses or Bible Search working properly with the PB Bibles.

It used to be a "Known Issue" in the former Beta Release Notes but now in the Logos 4.3 RC1 "Known Issues" it is absent. I just posted a separate thread on this issue:  http://community.logos.com/forums/t/36274.aspx

This issue is resolved already in the Logos 4.3 RC1. See the above link to the thread in which there is more information in the matter.

Bob Pritchett said:

The bookstore will make it easy to share content with others, and will offer the same cloud-based downloading, syncing, multi-computer use, etc. that Logos-created books support.

Thank you Bob for the information. Just one question: will Logos provide syncing between all the platforms (PC, MAC, iPhone, iPad etc.) used by a particular user, if the book is not "public" but "personal" and in this case not visible in the Logos store?

Just a user, but I think Bob covered these questions....here is what I read:

BS said:

Will we be able to bypass Logos's distribution systems and import public domain content that DOES already exist in paid logos packages on our own?  

You can important anything you want into YOUR system and use for PERSONAL use. It will sync to YOUR devices only. It is up to you in that case to comply with copyright, etc. laws. How and what you can share is the topic of Bob's post, covered below.

BS said:

will you allow us to share books with each other in .lbxlls or .logos4 format via email or some other means or will we only be allowed to use your systems?  

Sharing is different - if you are putting out resources in PBB format that compete with Logos resources, they don't want that. It appears that web-site "stores" like StillTruth may decide to be tied into Logos' systems as the only was to share (which means users are licensed) the compiled final version of PBBs.  If you want to put up a web site unrelated to Logos' systems you can, but there is no way technically then to share final version PBBs of resources - you would have to share the source .docx Word files and users would have to compile them on their own. This is because you could pass the final output PBB file to another user via email, but their system wouldn't recognize it because they are not licensed to use it. This is identical to the reason why I cannot email you a bunch of my Logos resources and you are then able to use them - no license.

Of course in that case you are responsible for not offering things in copyright violation as well.

So Logos' "support" for sharing final-form PBB files includes sync to all devices you own, license, indexing, all the things we get with existing resources.  You can alternatively sync, license, index a resource YOURSELF by BUILDING it on your system with source.

So IMHO, a site like StillTruth can tie into Logos systems, be restricted in what is available in that it can't compete with Logos resources (we don't know how this works, those resources will clearly have a different type of license beyond a personal one for the builder of the resource), and people can download and sync PBBs just like a new Logos resource. Or a site like StillTruth could offer source .docx files without any restriction, but you download, compile, use personally, and you have no way to share other than through the source.docx files.  Logos isn't preventing the dissemination of other versions of PBB resources, just preventing the use of their systems and functionality among users when those resources compete with Logos' own resources.

BS said:

If we aren't allowed to share resources anymore outside of Logos's control (StillTruth.com)

 Not true - see above, you can share, source files; or final PBBs if they don't compete.

This is my understanding of what Bob said. I realize this is not Logos-authoritative, but I thought there may be some value in seeing how another user read what Bob said. This policy makes sense to me, so I would be grateful if someone from Logos corrects my understanding.

Logos books coming from public domain are notable in their quality.  However, they are are also marketing convenience.  So Halo, I guess this is where you are coming from.  I also feel that PB's contribute to Logos loyalty.  If you have time invested in them you would be less likely to look to another competitor.  Back on subject, I built several theology books and was pleasantly surprised to see them appear in collections that have syntax for them!

I'm working on some macros for Calvin's Commentaries.

Mikko Paavola said:

My suggestion is that there would be three options for PBs: Private, Public and Group. There's situations, when it would be helpful to share PBs for colleagues etc. and the resources are not intented/allowed to be put in public share (intended just for that group, copyright restrictions...). If we need to share docx-files and everyone compiles them themselves, it will be a waste of time and Logos server space. In addition, with a Group option everyone would always have the latest version of the document automatically.

 I would like that also. I second that suggestion. Very good. [Y]

yes excellent idea, hope it gets adopted.

MJ. Smith said:

just 'cause

Me thinks thine cause is just.

If your product is anything like your Creeds or cool visual content, I can't wait to see it.

Bob Pritchett said:

For this reason, though, Logos is going to have some content restrictions on the bookstore -- we aren't looking to create an editing tool, for example, that lets people create lower-quality and lower-price versions of public domain content we sell in high-quality editions, and then use our systems, servers, etc. to distribute them.

This means you can do whatever you want for yourself, but if you want to use our systems to share/distribute the content, we'll be offering support for sharing your "personal" content, not for going into competition with Logos on public domain (or licensed non-PD) content.

-- Bob

 

that is too bad (competition is a good thing)! As the result, I will no longer purchase "high-quality editions" of Public Domain books from Logos. This is partly due to the very low regard from the company to user-created data and content.

Also, I don't like the assumption that user-created resources are "lower-quality." First of all, I have personally submitted dozens of typos in "superior" official resources.  Secondly, if it were not for hundreds of loyal logos customers submitting bugs, suggestions, feedback, etc. official logos features and even resources would not be what they are.

As far as distributing "personal" PBBs, a very simple work-around (for the end users) would be to share source files instead of .logos4 files.

Vladimir Lukyanov said:

that is too bad (competition is a good thing)! As the result, I will no longer purchase "high-quality editions" of Public Domain books from Logos. This is partly due to the very low regard from the company to user-created data and content.

As far as distributing "personal" PBBs, a very simple work-around (for the end users) would be to share source files instead of .logos4 files.

Just to clarify, Bob is saying, through this post and the actions Logos has taken with Personal Books:

1. Logos gives you a product for free (Personal Book) to build your own resources

2. Resources built with this tool are "first class" citizens in the Logos library (searching, highlighting, tagging etc. works the same as Logos resources)

3. Logos offers a store for users to share their resources with others in the same way as they purchase Logos resources, with the same functionality (license, sync, multiple device support, etc.)

4. In return Logos restricts content through THEIR FREE store with THEIR FREE tool to content that you own copyright to, or public domain/free content that does not compete with the same resource offered by Logos.

5. You can still share your content with anyone you want, subject to your own copyright compliance of course, outside the Logos purchasing systems

6. Therefore you are not restricted from building or sharing your own version of a public domain/free resource

7. Therefore you are not charged for building a competitive public domain/free resource

Does this really seem like an unreasonable policy to anyone? Just checking....

I'm planning to put Jonathan Edwards' "History of the Work of Redemption" in PBB. I'm going to wait until I'm sure the formatting requirements are finalized.

I don't have a bit of problem with Bob's policy...when (or IF) they decide that they can or want to make an official version of the official LDS scriptures...i'd be willing to pay for them...but until then....I'm going to attempt to make PBB's.

Dominick Sela said:

5. You can still share your content with anyone you want, subject to your own copyright compliance of course, outside the Logos purchasing systems

6. Therefore you are not restricted from building or sharing your own version of a public domain/free resource

7. Therefore you are not charged for building a competitive public domain/free resource

I agreed with your points 1-4.

And perhaps even 6-7.

But the way you have worded 5 does not appear to be backed up by Bob's post.  He says "no" competition for Logos Public domain books. Period.

[therefore making 6-7 not really "worth" any thing?]

SteveF said:

Dominick Sela said:

5. You can still share your content with anyone you want, subject to your own copyright compliance of course, outside the Logos purchasing systems

6. Therefore you are not restricted from building or sharing your own version of a public domain/free resource

7. Therefore you are not charged for building a competitive public domain/free resource

I agreed with your points 1-4.

And perhaps even 6-7.

But the way you have worded 5 does not appear to be backed up by Bob's post.  He says "no" competition for Logos Public domain books. Period.

[therefore making 6-7 not really "worth" any thing?]

I think you should read it again, he does NOT say ""no" competition for Logos Public domain books. Period". Read on...

Bob was speaking about the use of the Logos systems, "bookstore" to offer our PB's.  You always have the ability to give/send someone your PB source file, they compile/build it, and they have the resource in their library. If you read the thread you will see that option will be there and will not be prevented. That's #5, and why #6 and #7 are valid.

Here again is the relevant quotes from his reply, note especially the bolded part:

[quote]

For this reason, though, Logos is going to have some content restrictions on the bookstore -- we aren't looking to create an editing tool, for example, that lets people create lower-quality and lower-price versions of public domain content we sell in high-quality editions, and then use our systems, servers, etc. to distribute them.

The policies and procedures aren't done, and we're still thinking through all the issues. But I want to point out early-on that the goal of PBB is to support "personal" use. This means you can do whatever you want for yourself, but if you want to use our systems to share/distribute the content, we'll be offering support for sharing your "personal" content, not for going into competition with Logos on public domain (or licensed non-PD) content.

The bolded parts say:

Content restrictions are on the BOOKSTORE not anything else

Can't use LOGOS SYSTEMS to distribute them

You can do whatever you want to share your own PB source files (the only way to share PBs outside of the Logos systems)

Hope that helps!

Dominick Sela said:

You always have the ability to give/send someone your PB source file, they compile/build it, and they have the resource in their library.

Yes...(but it will still never be available for download as a book--versus the "old" way of doing things at the "Still Truth" site).

Sorry, but I just thought you were defending Bob's decision a little too vigorously to someone who was in disagreement with that policy. (and yes, Bob, has the right to make any decision he wishes).

I guess at this point we are into "hair-spitting"?

Regards

Maybe you shouldn't do "high quality" productions of those public domain titles. I realize a lot of work goes into making your books, but when the same material is available on other platforms for literally a 1/10 of your price, you've got to ask whether your procedures can be streamlined.

Remember that most of your customers are not only family, but among the poorest of the family.