What PBs are you working on?
With the news that the PB tool is going to be free I've begun playing more with larger books. Last night I learned some lessons while converting CCEL's Summa Theologica to PB.
1) When dealing with Large Word Documents let the resource repagenate completely before starting to work with it.
2) Give everything a style and minimize the number of styles used. It's a lot easier to simply modify a style then to go line-by-line through the document.
3) Don't double space. This resulted in way too much space between paragraphs when I brought it into Logos. Instead Single space everything and apply different paragraph spacings to your various styles.
So far I've worked on two larger resources, both from CCEL; Summa Theologica-Thomas Aquinas and Exposition of Scripture: 2 Cor, Gal, Phil, Col, Thess, 1 Tim.-MacLaren. Below is a screen shot of what they look like in L4. I highly doubt Summa is at the Logos version's quality. There are many errors in it and I do not know how many of them are a result of my formatting procedures and which are inherent in the CCEL version.
What PBs are you working on?
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Wuff, wuff. I never built anything in L3, so the learning curve is going to be greater for me. I will start with documents that I want in Logos from our Biblical Research Insitute website, and then proceed from there.
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Working on a couple of titles, but source is a mess may have to abandon..but am looking at it from a different angle... have written a program to strip the source and rejoin all the paragraphs, strip the bad characters out of the text, may have found a way to export it direct to docx
its looking a bit better am gonna add milestones.in the text file, at least it will hopefully by end of night.. hopefullly then I can pull it into Word for final finishing..
but I need to run some tests as I may have found a way of writing the text out as a docx.. but need to run a lot more tests
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Bibles, Bibles, Bibles... [:)]
I am still waiting to see the possibility to assign the "BibleText" Search Field tag to the Biblical text to get Copy Bible Verses or Bible Search working properly with the PB Bibles.
It used to be a "Known Issue" in the former Beta Release Notes but now in the Logos 4.3 RC1 "Known Issues" it is absent. I just posted a separate thread on this issue: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/36274.aspx
Bohuslav
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Peace to my Forum Brothers and Sisters! *smile*
I've made two books successfully. Worked well.
What did not work is my Table of Contents.... Although I've used Word since Word 6, I've never before tackled a table of contents....
Would anyone be willing to post a .docx file with a working table of contents that I could learn from ---- perhaps emulate ???
It would most certainly speed up my "learning curve"!
BTW, so far (about 15 hours) my Personal Books have NOT synched to my backup computer....
Will they ever????
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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I have footnotes in a document that are not linked. I have used bookmarks, but when they compile, they do not work. How do you create footnotes in a PBB? The footnote does not link to another book. I need to master the basics first.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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I'm working on a variety of catechisms that aren't available in Logos - primarily from the Reformed tradition but covering a variety of groups along with some chart sermons and Nestorian and Coptic materials.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I am putting all the papers I write for college in one of my books. My other books are basically going to be my own commentaries. And not sure how the SFA is going to work, but if all else fails I will use my PBB for my sermons.
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Milford Charles Murray said:
Would anyone be willing to post a .docx file with a working table of contents that I could learn from ---- perhaps emulate ???
It would most certainly speed up my "learning curve"!
BTW, so far (about 15 hours) my Personal Books have NOT synched to my backup computer....
Will they ever????
<> means selected from sytles in ribbon bar
<Heading1>Title</Heading1>
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+--<Heading2>Intro
+--<Paragraph>introduction text
+--<Heading2>Chapter 1
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| +--<Heading3>Section Header
| +--<Paragraph>Section Text
+--<Heading2>Chapter 2
| +--<Paragraph >Section Header
+--<Heading2>Intro|
+--<Heading2>Intro|
+--<Heading2>Intro|
+--<Heading2>Introposting sample in files [View:http://community.logos.com/forums/t/36283.aspx:550:0]
Milford Charles Murray said:Would anyone be willing to post a .docx file with a working table of contents that I could learn from ---- perhaps emulate ???
It would most certainly speed up my "learning curve"!
BTW, so far (about 15 hours) my Personal Books have NOT synched to my backup computer....
Will they ever????
Have the book cover and metadata synced from machine 1 to machine 2, but the content is saying not licenced
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Milford Charles Murray said:
What did not work is my Table of Contents.... Although I've used Word since Word 6, I've never before tackled a table of contents....
Just to be clear you do realize that generating a table of contents in Word is not necessary for creating a Logos resource with a table of contents. In your document go to the line you want in your Logos Table of Contents (e.g. a Chapter Title). Place the cursor anywhere on that line. Now give that line the style "Heading 1." How you do this will depend on the version of Word you are using. If you are using 2007 or 2010 click on the "Home" tab. On the ribbon along the top there will be a section called "styles." One of the styles will be "Heading 1" Click on it and it will give whatever your cursor is on that style. If you want to mark something as a subheading give it the style "Heading 2." If you don't like the formating of that style right click on the "heading 1" box on the ribbon and select "modify style." Play around with things there a bit and you'll see what happens.
You can add a table of contents to the beginning of your document if you want to. It will take everything you've labeled as "heading 1" and "Heading 2" and use those styles to complete the table of contents. After stylizing your document with your headings go to the beginning of the document. Select the "references" tab and then "Table of contents". Select the style you want and it will generate your table for you.
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Thanks for the tip Halo. This information would be good for the wiki.
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DominicM said:Milford Charles Murray said:
Would anyone be willing to post a .docx file with a working table of contents that I could learn from ---- perhaps emulate ???
It would most certainly speed up my "learning curve"!
BTW, so far (about 15 hours) my Personal Books have NOT synched to my backup computer....
Will they ever????
Milford Charles Murray said:Have the book cover and metadata synced from machine 1 to machine 2, but the content is saying not licenced?
Once again, thanks, Dominic, for looking at this matter.... Nothing has synced to machine 2 ....
However, it may be just purely academic only for me at this point because my old (I mean OLD!) and trusty (at least up until today!) seems to have met its maker. Made some fan noise, then turned off. Tomorrow I will remove the back and take a peek, but am not hopeful!
Peace and Joy Always! *smile*
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Halo Hound said:Milford Charles Murray said:
What did not work is my Table of Contents.... Although I've used Word since Word 6, I've never before tackled a table of contents....
Just to be clear you do realize that generating a table of contents in Word is not necessary for creating a Logos resource with a table of contents. In your document go to the line you want in your Logos Table of Contents (e.g. a Chapter Title). Place the cursor anywhere on that line. Now give that line the style "Heading 1." How you do this will depend on the version of Word you are using. If you are using 2007 or 2010 click on the "Home" tab. On the ribbon along the top there will be a section called "styles." One of the styles will be "Heading 1" Click on it and it will give whatever your cursor is on that style. If you want to mark something as a subheading give it the style "Heading 2." If you don't like the formating of that style right click on the "heading 1" box on the ribbon and select "modify style." Play around with things there a bit and you'll see what happens.
You can add a table of contents to the beginning of your document if you want to. It will take everything you've labeled as "heading 1" and "Heading 2" and use those styles to complete the table of contents. After stylizing your document with your headings go to the beginning of the document. Select the "references" tab and then "Table of contents". Select the style you want and it will generate your table for you.
Thanks for your reply, Phillip! *smile* Peace to you!
and Always Joy in the Lord!
I found your information very helpful and hope in the next few days to accomplish some very nice looking private books! *smile*
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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MJ. Smith said:
I'm working on a variety of catechisms that aren't available in Logos - primarily from the Reformed tradition but covering a variety of groups along with some chart sermons and Nestorian and Coptic materials.
I have finished
- The Anathemas of the Second Council of Constantinople
- The Augsburg confession
- THE BAPTIST CONFESSION OF FAITH OF 1689
- The Belgic Confession
- The Canons of Dordt
- The Canons of the Council of Orange
- THE SECOND HELVETIC CONFESSION
you can download the .docx files
http://divinesoteriology.com/archives/category/bible-studies
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I started on the book of enoch but not really sure how to make a bible like book. So I went ahead, and started working on more arminian resources. I am currently working on
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Blair Laird said:
I have finished
- The Anathemas of the Second Council of Constantinople
- The Augsburg confession
- THE BAPTIST CONFESSION OF FAITH OF 1689
- The Belgic Confession
- The Canons of Dordt
- The Canons of the Council of Orange
- THE SECOND HELVETIC CONFESSION
you can download the .docx files
Thank you very much.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
Bibles, Bibles, Bibles...
I am still waiting to see the possibility to assign the "BibleText" Search Field tag to the Biblical text to get Copy Bible Verses or Bible Search working properly with the PB Bibles.
It used to be a "Known Issue" in the former Beta Release Notes but now in the Logos 4.3 RC1 "Known Issues" it is absent. I just posted a separate thread on this issue: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/36274.aspx
This issue is resolved already in the Logos 4.3 RC1. See the above link to the thread in which there is more information in the matter.
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I just want to give a quick "heads up" about the PBB distribution terms. While you'll be able to build whatever you want with PBB, distribution will be supported via our Logos online systems. (Both from your personal page as well as from a central bookstore.)
The bookstore will make it easy to share content with others, and will offer the same cloud-based downloading, syncing, multi-computer use, etc. that Logos-created books support.
For this reason, though, Logos is going to have some content restrictions on the bookstore -- we aren't looking to create an editing tool, for example, that lets people create lower-quality and lower-price versions of public domain content we sell in high-quality editions, and then use our systems, servers, etc. to distribute them.
The policies and procedures aren't done, and we're still thinking through all the issues. But I want to point out early-on that the goal of PBB is to support "personal" use. This means you can do whatever you want for yourself, but if you want to use our systems to share/distribute the content, we'll be offering support for sharing your "personal" content, not for going into competition with Logos on public domain (or licensed non-PD) content.
-- Bob
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Bob Pritchett said:
The bookstore will make it easy to share content with others, and will offer the same cloud-based downloading, syncing, multi-computer use, etc. that Logos-created books support.
Thank you Bob for the information. Just one question: will Logos provide syncing between all the platforms (PC, MAC, iPhone, iPad etc.) used by a particular user, if the book is not "public" but "personal" and in this case not visible in the Logos store?
Bohuslav
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Woah! Will we be able to bypass Logos's distribution systems and import public domain content that DOES already exist in paid logos packages on our own? I have been hoping to use several of my PBB resources from Logos 3 in Logos 4 but there are paid Logos versions of these resources already out there.
I guess what I'm asking is will you allow us to share books with each other in .lbxlls or .logos4 format via email or some other means or will we only be allowed to use your systems? I understand if you don't want your bandwidth used to distribute public domain resources you already sell, as long as we have some other means of importing resources that are in the public domain.
If we aren't allowed to share resources anymore outside of Logos's control (stilltruth.com) this will be a significant departure from the spirit of the original personal book builder program. I'd much rather have control and freedom to import and share whatever we want to like we did with Logos 3 than have the convenience of your public servers with strings attached.
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Just a user, but I think Bob covered these questions....here is what I read:
BS said:Will we be able to bypass Logos's distribution systems and import public domain content that DOES already exist in paid logos packages on our own?
You can important anything you want into YOUR system and use for PERSONAL use. It will sync to YOUR devices only. It is up to you in that case to comply with copyright, etc. laws. How and what you can share is the topic of Bob's post, covered below.
BS said:will you allow us to share books with each other in .lbxlls or .logos4 format via email or some other means or will we only be allowed to use your systems?
Sharing is different - if you are putting out resources in PBB format that compete with Logos resources, they don't want that. It appears that web-site "stores" like StillTruth may decide to be tied into Logos' systems as the only was to share (which means users are licensed) the compiled final version of PBBs. If you want to put up a web site unrelated to Logos' systems you can, but there is no way technically then to share final version PBBs of resources - you would have to share the source .docx Word files and users would have to compile them on their own. This is because you could pass the final output PBB file to another user via email, but their system wouldn't recognize it because they are not licensed to use it. This is identical to the reason why I cannot email you a bunch of my Logos resources and you are then able to use them - no license.
Of course in that case you are responsible for not offering things in copyright violation as well.
So Logos' "support" for sharing final-form PBB files includes sync to all devices you own, license, indexing, all the things we get with existing resources. You can alternatively sync, license, index a resource YOURSELF by BUILDING it on your system with source.
So IMHO, a site like StillTruth can tie into Logos systems, be restricted in what is available in that it can't compete with Logos resources (we don't know how this works, those resources will clearly have a different type of license beyond a personal one for the builder of the resource), and people can download and sync PBBs just like a new Logos resource. Or a site like StillTruth could offer source .docx files without any restriction, but you download, compile, use personally, and you have no way to share other than through the source.docx files. Logos isn't preventing the dissemination of other versions of PBB resources, just preventing the use of their systems and functionality among users when those resources compete with Logos' own resources.
BS said:If we aren't allowed to share resources anymore outside of Logos's control (StillTruth.com)
Not true - see above, you can share, source files; or final PBBs if they don't compete.
This is my understanding of what Bob said. I realize this is not Logos-authoritative, but I thought there may be some value in seeing how another user read what Bob said. This policy makes sense to me, so I would be grateful if someone from Logos corrects my understanding.
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Bob Pritchett said:
For this reason, though, Logos is going to have some content restrictions on the bookstore...
Understood and expected. Just on the personal side I'm also taking the position of not distributing word docs of personally created versions of anything you guys are selling. I just feel this is a safer line to draw for myself.
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Logos books coming from public domain are notable in their quality. However, they are are also marketing convenience. So Halo, I guess this is where you are coming from. I also feel that PB's contribute to Logos loyalty. If you have time invested in them you would be less likely to look to another competitor. Back on subject, I built several theology books and was pleasantly surprised to see them appear in collections that have syntax for them!
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BS said:
If we aren't allowed to share resources anymore outside of Logos's control (stilltruth.com) this will be a significant departure from the spirit of the original personal book builder program.
Logos and I have dialogued from time to time. We have never had a conflict of interest at any level concerning PBB's This is just plain not an issue.
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Bob Pritchett said:
For this reason, though, Logos is going to have some content restrictions on the bookstore -- we aren't looking to create an editing tool,
Finally, an official clarification.This position is exactly what I predicted Logos must do to make the program economically viable. I have no problem supporting this model. That is why I purchased the Calvin 500 Collection, the Spurgeon Collection, and a host of other public domain works.
My concern is this:
Logos may take forever to get around to publishing my particular interests. If I took it upon myself to produce Restoration Movement works by Alexander Campbell or one of the lesser writers, would Logos remove my creation from distribution channels to place their own secondary publication? If yes, why should anyone create a work that is not of their own original authorship? I presume that is what you mean by "editing tool", isn't it? So all PBBs of Menno Simmons would be banned from the bookstore. (In theory, that is.)
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Super Tramp said:
If yes, why should anyone create a work that is not of their own original authorship?
Speaking for myself:
- because I need access now
- because I think the resource is unlikely to be produced by Logos in the near future
- because I want to influence Logos' direction by showing that there is a market
- because I want to include value added features that Logos is not yet providing
- just 'cause
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Bob Pritchett said:
I just want to give a quick "heads up" about the PBB distribution terms. While you'll be able to build whatever you want with PBB, distribution will be supported via our Logos online systems. (Both from your personal page as well as from a central bookstore.)
The bookstore will make it easy to share content with others, and will offer the same cloud-based downloading, syncing, multi-computer use, etc. that Logos-created books support.
That's a good system! I'm waiting for that. Is there any estimate when it will be launched?
My suggestion is that there would be three options for PBs: Private, Public and Group. There's situations, when it would be helpful to share PBs for colleagues etc. and the resources are not intented/allowed to be put in public share (intended just for that group, copyright restrictions...). If we need to share docx-files and everyone compiles them themselves, it will be a waste of time and Logos server space. In addition, with a Group option everyone would always have the latest version of the document automatically.
I'm working on:
- C.F.W. Walther: Law and Gospel (1929 Public Domain edition)
- Finnish resources: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/36329.aspx
I'd like to see also Kretzmann's "The Popular Commentary of the Bible" ( http://www.kretzmannproject.org ) in PB, but there would be too much work for me.
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Mikko Paavola said:
My suggestion is that there would be three options for PBs: Private, Public and Group. There's situations, when it would be helpful to share PBs for colleagues etc. and the resources are not intented/allowed to be put in public share (intended just for that group, copyright restrictions...). If we need to share docx-files and everyone compiles them themselves, it will be a waste of time and Logos server space. In addition, with a Group option everyone would always have the latest version of the document automatically.
I would like that also. I second that suggestion. Very good. [Y]
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Mikko Paavola said:
My suggestion is that there would be three options for PBs: Private, Public and Group. There's situations, when it would be helpful to share PBs for colleagues etc. and the resources are not intented/allowed to be put in public share (intended just for that group, copyright restrictions...). If we need to share docx-files and everyone compiles them themselves, it will be a waste of time and Logos server space. In addition, with a Group option everyone would always have the latest version of the document automatically.
I like your idea!
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yes excellent idea, hope it gets adopted.
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