5.3 Beta 1 Warning
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Please release it. The suspense. [:D]
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Thank you all you brave bleeding edgers. I am super excited about 64-bit Logos (Verbum actually) but no longer do beta. But I am hoping several weeks after you get 5.3 we will get it. I would do beta still but my MBP has not the room for two installations so I will stick to the stable.
-Dan
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Dave Hooton said:
I had been thinking about more memory, but now I will upgrade from 4 GB to 8 GB on laptop with SSD.
Done, but I'm glad I took the laptop with me because the first lot of RAM wouldn't boot the computer. The surprise was that the Windows Experience Index for Memory jumped from 5.9 to 6.8 (running at the same frequency and latencies)!
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Unfortunately, some of us cannot benefit from Logos using more Ram. My mother board is maxed out with 4 GB of ram and right now I have used up 71% with just one tab in Safari and an empty layout in Logos.
When I use the software, my ram peaks to 88% or higher. CPU is Dual core 3.4 Ghz. The Ssd saves me on this machine which is the preferred one to work with.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Todd Phillips said:alabama24 said:
Are we days or weeks away? Inquiring minds want to know.
My guess is that we're just waiting for 5.2b to be released. Stop finding bugs in the release candidates, people!
Yay! 5.2b was just released to the stable channel. Let's go, new beta!
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:
We recommend caution when installing this beta; as the beta testing warnings already state, it should be installed on a dedicated testing computer. We've been running these changes internally for several months without problems, but your system may be sufficiently different from our test computers that you could experience crashes or other problems.
Since we can't ask questions on the "beta testing warnings" post I'll ask here. Does using the beta on my standard account put my cloud data at risk? For instance, could my notes resources be corrupted or my Favorites folders become unusable? I would lose a lot of work and research if folders in my Favorites were erased.
Could the beta upload a layout which would compromise my non-beta desktops which happen to be set to sync to 'Most recent layout - any'?
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David A Egolf said:
Does using the beta on my standard account put my cloud data at risk? For instance, could my notes resources be corrupted or my Favorites folders become unusable? I would lose a lot of work and research if folders in my Favorites were erased.
David A Egolf said:Could the beta upload a layout which would compromise my non-beta desktops which happen to be set to sync to 'Most recent layout - any'?
All these are possible with a beta e.g. I've experienced corrupt layouts, but the biggest risk is experiencing a bug that prevents you completing your crucial study or sermon preparation for a few days. I don't think anyone has experienced complete loss of data.
So you should never run a beta as your primary/sole installation and if you can use a secondary Logos account then you have reduced your risk even further.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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After two years of beta testing I have not experienced any of these issues that Dave has (Praise God).
Though I have seen others experience them. I post only to demonstrate that one can beta test and escape such corruptions.
Needing to re-install a few times aside, beta testing has been relatively problem free.
Though I do have two computers using Logos... So if one is down, the other is not (and is still running the stable version.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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David A Egolf said:
Does using the beta on my standard account put my cloud data at risk? For instance, could my notes resources be corrupted or my Favorites folders become unusable?
This has happened occasionally in the past, but (a) it's only happed [to my knowledge] when a new version of sync has been part of the beta testing, and (b) Logos have always worked very hard to restore data for individual beta testers.
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It has been almost two weeks since Bradley made the announcement. Any chance of 5.3 Beta 1 being released tomorrow? Hoping for speed increases on a machine that has maxed its ram out at 4 GB.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Lynden Williams said:
Any chance of 5.3 Beta 1 being released tomorrow?
It's unlikely. We're working out some final kinks in the installer (which is usually the last part to be tested).
Our current installer works well on a clean machine, but doesn't correctly upgrade 5.2b in-place. While we'd love to put "Only install this on a fresh machine" in the Release Notes, and have everyone read and follow those instructions, there are probably far too many existing machines still set to check the "beta" channel to make that a feasible plan.
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:
Our current installer works well on a clean machine, but doesn't correctly upgrade 5.2b in-place.
Yes, you probably have to keep the resources but nuke everything else!
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Lee said:
but nuke everything else
No, all databases can be upgraded in-place.
The issue is ensuring that all 32-bit DLLs get replaced with the corresponding 64-bit version, including Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime DLLs and DirectX Runtime DLLs.
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:
No, all databases can be upgraded in-place.
The issue is ensuring that all 32-bit DLLs get replaced with the corresponding 64-bit version, including Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime DLLs and DirectX Runtime DLLs.
That's good news. That mean no re-indexing. The C++ and DX runtimes will be a bear. I'd be tempted to uninstall and reinstall, even if you had a working solution.
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:
The issue is ensuring that all 32-bit DLLs get replaced with the corresponding 64-bit version, including Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime DLLs and DirectX Runtime DLLs.
Does this mean we cannot have a 32-bit and a 64-bit installation on the same machine, or will there be two Prerequisites; one for x86 and the other for x64?
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:
will there be two Prerequisites; one for x86 and the other for x64?
There will be two.
Dave Hooton said:Does this mean we cannot have a 32-bit and a 64-bit installation on the same machine
You should be able to, but I guess we'll find out in the beta. [:)]
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:Dave Hooton said:
Does this mean we cannot have a 32-bit and a 64-bit installation on the same machine
You should be able to, but I guess we'll find out in the beta.
Yes we will. I run a backup account which will have the current gold release on it, and my main account runs the beta (contra to suggestions - but that ensures regular beta usage.)
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TCBlack said:
I run a backup account which will have the current gold release on it, and my main account runs the beta (contra to suggestions - but that ensures regular beta usage.)
Have Logos on two differentt machines. The beta runs on the desktop because I use it more often thanks to Ssd. So I have trouble telling what the stable has at any given time if away from the machine. I seldom use it.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Same Lynden.
The exception will be when they implement PB syncing. I'll (make a full back up first of pbs and logos files) install the beta on both
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Bradley, I have a Win 64 machine. Question is if new 5.3 64 will replace (upgrade) our 5.2b 32, or do I have to reinstall to 64 bits version? Thanks, Martin.0
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Based on what Bradley has said, you should only need to upgrade.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:Dave Hooton said:
will there be two Prerequisites; one for x86 and the other for x64?
There will be two.
Dave Hooton said:Does this mean we cannot have a 32-bit and a 64-bit installation on the same machine
You should be able to, but I guess we'll find out in the beta.
Will 64 bit Logos 5 and Verbum use different registry keys ? Also, will Windows need 32 bit and 64 bit RSS feeds with links to installers ?
Noticed 32 bit Logos 5 uses HKCU\Software\Logos4 and 32 bit Verbum uses HKCU\Software\Verbum
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Thanks for moving forward with all of these changes!
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Will 64 bit Logos 5 and Verbum use different registry keys ?
No, it's an in-place upgrade that uses the same registry keys and folders.
Also, will Windows need 32 bit and 64 bit RSS feeds with links to installers ?
No, the one RSS feed will include both the 32-bit and 64-bit installer and the automatic updater will choose the right one for your OS.
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Sounds good - looking forward to trying this.
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I hope it takes advantage of the Xeon Phi coprocessors with 61 cores, 244 threads, 512-bit vectors, and 352 GB/s memory bandwidth.
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Are those even windows compatible yet? last time I read about those your windows pc viewed it as another computing device across the network. Seems like that would be less than useful for logos at this point.Mr. Simple said:I hope it takes advantage of the Xeon Phi coprocessors with 61 cores, 244 threads, 512-bit vectors, and 352 GB/s memory bandwidth.
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Mr. Simple said:
I hope it takes advantage of the Xeon Phi coprocessors with 61 cores, 244 threads, 512-bit vectors, and 352 GB/s memory bandwidth.
Absolutely[:^)]
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Good, I am looking forward to cracking צפנים בתנ"ך), also known as the Torah Code with the next release.
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