5.3 Beta 1 Warning

Now that 5.2b RC1 has been released, we're preparing for the release of 5.3 Beta 1 (which is not available yet but coming soon).

5.3 Beta 1 has a lot of major changes under-the-hood, and could potentially be unstable. These changes don't dramatically impact the UI, but are laying the foundation for future improvements in performance, scalability and functionality.

We recommend caution when installing this beta; as the beta testing warnings already state, it should be installed on a dedicated testing computer. We've been running these changes internally for several months without problems, but your system may be sufficiently different from our test computers that you could experience crashes or other problems.

If you don't want to be an early beta tester, you may wish to run "set update channel to default" right now to ensure that your system doesn't automatically download the beta.

Note that as previously announced] (and then amended for OS X 10.8) Logos 5.3 requires Windows 7 SP1 or Mac OS X 10.9 or later.

Here's what's changing:

64 Bit. Logos is now a 64-bit program (for all Mac users, and for most Windows users). There isn't a separate installer; the program will automatically install the 64-bit version if your OS is capable of running it.
Code rewrite. A core component was rewritten in C# and native C++ for greater cross-platform support and performance. This has introduced a large amount of completely new code.
Memory-mapped I/O. Many Logos databases are now accessed through a technology known as "memory-mapped I/O"; while this should be faster, it's completely new code.
Logos resource display. The internals of the resource display were rewritten to support EXCITING NEW FEATURE.
New C++ compilers. The code is now compiled with the newest C++ compilers on both Windows and Mac.

The goal of these changes is to improve the foundation of Logos 5 without changing the user experience. However, since this is introducing a lot of completely new code, there may be (potentially significant) regressions. Please install with caution.

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Martin Grainger Dean

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/620294#Comment_620294

Bradley, I have a Win 64 machine. Question is if new 5.3 64 will replace (upgrade) our 5.2b 32, or do I have to reinstall to 64 bits version? Thanks, Martin.

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/620321#Comment_620321

Based on what Bradley has said, you should only need to upgrade.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/620216#Comment_620216

will there be two Prerequisites; one for x86 and the other for x64?

There will be two.

Does this mean we cannot have a 32-bit and a 64-bit installation on the same machine

You should be able to, but I guess we'll find out in the beta.

Will 64 bit Logos 5 and Verbum use different registry keys ? Also, will Windows need 32 bit and 64 bit RSS feeds with links to installers ?

Noticed 32 bit Logos 5 uses HKCU\Software\Logos4 and 32 bit Verbum uses HKCU\Software\Verbum

Keep Smiling [:)]

Joel Dougherty

Thanks for moving forward with all of these changes!

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/620414#Comment_620414

Will 64 bit Logos 5 and Verbum use different registry keys ?

No, it's an in-place upgrade that uses the same registry keys and folders.

Also, will Windows need 32 bit and 64 bit RSS feeds with links to installers ?

No, the one RSS feed will include both the 32-bit and 64-bit installer and the automatic updater will choose the right one for your OS.

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/620518#Comment_620518

Sounds good - looking forward to trying this.

Mr. Simple

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/621413#Comment_621413

I hope it takes advantage of the Xeon Phi coprocessors with 61 cores, 244 threads, 512-bit vectors, and 352 GB/s memory bandwidth.

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/621482#Comment_621482

I hope it takes advantage of the Xeon Phi coprocessors with 61 cores, 244 threads, 512-bit vectors, and 352 GB/s memory bandwidth.

Are those even windows compatible yet? last time I read about those your windows pc viewed it as another computing device across the network. Seems like that would be less than useful for logos at this point.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/621482#Comment_621482

I hope it takes advantage of the Xeon Phi coprocessors with 61 cores, 244 threads, 512-bit vectors, and 352 GB/s memory bandwidth.

Absolutely[:^)]

Mr. Simple

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/621495#Comment_621495

Good, I am looking forward to cracking צפנים בתנ"ך‎), also known as the Torah Code with the next release.

Fr Devin Roza

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/621509#Comment_621509

Thanks for the 64-bit and for the new Citation formats!

Here's a shot of Verbum occupying over 6GB of RAM (out of 8GB in the computer) (FYI - this is not a bug, just an extreme search scenario)!

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/623322#Comment_623322

It's good to exercise the RAM occasionally!

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/623481#Comment_623481

Anyone else have a crash while doing a basic search on <gen-rev> on entire library?

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/623490#Comment_623490

Anyone else have a crash while doing a basic search on <gen-rev> on entire library?

Logs?

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/623507#Comment_623507

This was before the crash thats hobbled my installation. Let me see if I can reproduce it.

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/623507#Comment_623507

Anyone else have a crash while doing a basic search on <gen-rev> on entire library?

Logs?

3264.Logos.zip

Don't forget though that I am having other issues - my logos installation is experiencing "something strange". Here is the thread. The two things may be related, thus my question.

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/88477.aspx

Ben

Any hints on what the "exciting new feature" might be?

"The internals of the resource display were rewritten to support EXCITING NEW FEATURE."

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/623755#Comment_623755

Any hints on what the "exciting new feature" might be?

Personal Book Sync.

Alan Palmer (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/623825#Comment_623825

The exciting new feature has not been announced yet. The changes in 5.3 are architectural in nature (see Bradley's comment about "internals being rewritten"). The actual feature will probably not be shipping in 5.3.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/623838#Comment_623838

Huh. [:)] [:D] [Y]

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/623713#Comment_623713

Don't forget though that I am having other issues - my logos installation is experiencing "something strange". Here is the thread. The two things may be related, thus my question.

Your installation is logging an extremely high number of corrupted databases.

Is this the same hardware you were running 5.2b on (without issues, I assume)?

Do you ever log off or shut down Windows while Logos 5 is running, or do you exit Logos and wait for it to finish exiting before logging off your computer? (I'm trying to think of reasons why DBs might not be saving correctly.)

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/623856#Comment_623856

Same hardware. No issues with 5.2b. I almost never turn my computer off - maybe once a week. But when I do, Logos is closed.

I deleted every .db I could find, and then let Logos re-download, and re-index. I at least have all my resources back.

Fr. Joel Turmo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/615048#Comment_615048

"Installing the 64-bit 5.3 Beta 1 and 32-bit 5.2b on the same Windows computer (e.g., in different user accounts) will not work; the 32-bit version will crash at startup after 5.3 is installed."

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/639084#Comment_639084

"Installing the 64-bit 5.3 Beta 1 and 32-bit 5.2b on the same Windows computer (e.g., in different user accounts) will not work; the 32-bit version will crash at startup after 5.3 is installed."

You might find the suggestion at http://community.logos.com/forums/t/88684.aspx enables you to get this working.