Flat Earth Anyone: ONE HUNDRED PROOFS
This is posted for historic and reference only, I post because I found it after bumping into a !flat-eather" last week, didn't realise they still existed there are a few times he references the bible, but most of his reasoning science has since disproved, so that said it may only provide some of you with comedic value.
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Thanks. I look forward to perusing it for the sheer historical novelty of it.
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Thank God for "science." If it wasn't for "science," we would still believe Joshua 10 was actually true. Yes, science, our new god.
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They'll come around eventually [;)]
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Great catch!!!
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You have a long way to go. Keep searching. You may actually find the truth. However, you will need to improve your research techniques.
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Welcome to the forums Chuck. As many people jump into the forums without having found the guidelines, let me point you towards them Forum Guidelines - Faithlife Forums (logos.com). And if you have any questions on using Logos, you now know where to find us.
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Thanks for your help, but I am well acquainted with the guidelines. So what is your opinion on Joshua 10? Just an eclipse? God stopped the Earth from spinning for the afternoon, despite what the text says? The Earth is a stationary, non-rotating plane, and God actually stopped the Sun and Moon like the text says? Thanks in advance for your help in this matter.
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Chuck Easley said:
I am well acquainted with the guidelines. So what is your opinion on (....)
I personally read this as a contradiction. Discussion of opinions is better suited to a discussion platform (like e.g. https://www.christiandiscourse.net/ ).
Have joy in the Lord!
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Chuck Easley said:
Thanks for your help, but I am well acquainted with the guidelines.
Sorry, but as your post count reflected the two posts in this thread, I assumed you were new and like most new members had likely not seen the guidelines.
Chuck Easley said:So what is your opinion on Joshua 10? Just an eclipse?
My opinion is not appropriately shared in this forums as it is theological in nature. But from your three posts I can tell you that any serious attempt to answer you in a discussion where we both genuinely wanted to understand each other's position would have to start in linguistics and how the meaning of a text is determined.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I disagree. The original post has been up for 4 years. So what’s your opinion on Joshua 10? Another issue would be God’s creation of the Earth before He created the Sun. See the creation account in Genesis. It amazes me that people who lived long ago believed God’s Word, yet we who believe we are so intelligent chose to believe NASA instead of God. We have been deceived, and we enjoy it.
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Chuck Easley said:
I disagree. The original post has been up for 4 years. So what’s your opinion on Joshua 10?
Your "I disagree" has absolutely no relevance to my refusal to be drawn into a theological argument. I have the advantage of knowing my answer so I trust my opinion that it is theological. For me, this is "end of discussion".
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Chuck Easley said:
Thanks for your help, but I am well acquainted with the guidelines. So what is your opinion on Joshua 10? Just an eclipse? God stopped the Earth from spinning for the afternoon, despite what the text says? The Earth is a stationary, non-rotating plane, and God actually stopped the Sun and Moon like the text says? Thanks in advance for your help in this matter.
Just one quick point/question. People who support flat earth typically say they are just "following Scripture" by "accepting what the Bible says". The Bible mentions "pillars" that hold up the "sky dome", so those two things, pillars and a dome, are REAL things. But the Bible also says that the sun goes into a tent at night. Where's this tent? Have you seen it? Shouldn't it be very obvious? But, of course, the flat disk concept of earth doesn't include the sun "going to be at night in a tent", does it?, because proponents admit there is always somewhere on the flat plane(t) that is receiving light from the sun. So what's the deal with the tent? The Bible SAYS THERE IS A TENT. How come there isn't a tent?
If you choose to reply by saying, "that's just figurative language", then you have just given the reply that resolves all of the fundamental flat earth claims. The pillars are figurative. The dome is figurative. The so-called "firmament" is a really, really, really bad translation of the Hebrew word raaqiya`, which is best translated by the NASB's "expanse". Also, the meteors that come barreling into our atmosphere at 10-20,000 mph and explode causing massive physical damage to buildings, etc.--how do those make it through the solid dome??? If you say they don't, then where do they come from and what are they? If satellites aren't real, as most flat earthers claim, how do weather satellites show us geosynchronous pictures of hurricanes moving across the ocean's waters and provide highly accurate predictions of when and where such storms will make landfall?
There is a guy who wrote a book examining how measurements of the Copernican worldview correlate with certain Biblical phenomena at an extraordinarily high level approaching 1.0. Those kinds of correlative numbers can be viewed as effectively miraculous, but flat earth "theoreology" takes all that nifty mathematical richness and flushes it. Why do that in order to gain nothing? The Bible describes things in the heavens "as they appear" to readers of the Book who look up. No scientist refuses to acknowledge that the sun, moon, and stars "look like" they are moving across the sky. But that apparent movement is something that can be easily and rationally accounted for by the standard model of scientific description.
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Chuck Easley said:
I disagree. The original post has been up for 4 years.
Chuck, this is the correct place to post Personal Books for Logos Bible Software, discuss how to use Personal Books, discuss how to use the software, etc... It is not the appropriate place to ask for or give opinions concerning the theological issues raised in those resources.
Appropriate Questions:
How do I get this into Logos?
How do I make my own personal book?
How do I format headings so that they are part of the table of contents?
Do you think this book may ever make it into Logos as an official release?
Are there other resources in Logos concerning flat earth?
Inappropriate questions:
What is your opinion concerning flat earth?
Do you think the earth is flat?
How can you not see that the earth is flat/round because...?
This is not a forum for theological discussion no matter how much you wish it to be so. There are many forums for such flat earth and other theological discussion. No responsible forum member will engage in your discussion concerning Joshua 10; however, other members and I can point you to a number of resources dealing with Joshua 10, but somehow I don't feel like that's what you want.
Disclaimer: I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication. If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.
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Joseph Turner said:
No responsible forum member will engage in your discussion concerning Joshua 10
And of course while I was typing someone couldn't resist engaging.
Disclaimer: I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication. If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.
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Joseph Turner said:Joseph Turner said:
No responsible forum member will engage in your discussion concerning Joshua 10
And of course while I was typing someone couldn't resist engaging.
Some say I'm irresponsible, I suppose. Joseph is correct, though. The Logos forum is supposed to be for how to use the software, not discussing the meaning of what's in the software. It's funny, though. Flat earthers are a particular breed of apologists, doing what they do because they are "defending the faith", at least in their own sight. Once again, I say, "YHWH and His word needs no defending." Besides, neither ':Elohhiym nor the Bible are protected by postulating logical absurdities. Also, science doesn't need to be dismissed in order to accept miracles.
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Yes of course, science. Speaking of science, I better put my mask on and go get that experimental vaccine for that virus that’s never actually been found in a human. But hey, the scientists did find it in a Petri dish, and that’s good enough for me. Besides, I saw a well known Baptist preacher say the vaccine is a gift from God. Wish me luck. Talk to y’all later this afternoon
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Joseph Turner said:
No responsible forum member will engage in your discussion concerning Joshua 10; however, other members and I can point you to a number of resources dealing with Joshua 10, but somehow I don't feel like that's what you want.
Just in case someone is looking for a resource with a literal interpretation that's also compatible with science:
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David Paul said:
Just one quick point/question. People who support flat earth typically say they are just "following Scripture" by "accepting what the Bible says".
Excellent discussion points. But 'like it or not' on Sunday morning in Bible class, the pastor has to dutifully explain why all the earthlings and their associated possessions didn't fall off the suddenly stopped spinning earth. People aren't stupid (in general) ... they HAVE to ask. And everyone knows, the poor guy (usually) has to deliver.
Now, to keep this within forum guidelines (at least the proverbial coffeetable), my opinion (strictly my own), is Logos tries to just 'skip it' (how you resolve text with doctrine), or alternatively, sell apologetic books that fail to impress .... next Sunday, 'are tattoo's realy satanic?' (Leviticus extended).
Which is why I advocate a doctrinal mapping tool (to the text). By denomination.
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Chuck Easley said:
Yes of course, science. Speaking of science, I better put my mask on and go get that experimental vaccine for that virus that’s never actually been found in a human. But hey, the scientists did find it in a Petri dish, and that’s good enough for me. Besides, I saw a well known Baptist preacher say the vaccine is a gift from God. Wish me luck. Talk to y’all later this afternoon
Wow. I can't tell if you are serious or doing parody to get a rise out of people.
Either way, this is hilarious!
Jerry
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DMB said:
Excellent discussion points. But 'like it or not' on Sunday morning in Bible class, the pastor has to dutifully explain why all the earthlings and their associated possessions didn't fall off the suddenly stopped spinning earth. People aren't stupid (in general) ... they HAVE to ask. And everyone knows, the poor guy (usually) has to deliver.
most (that is, crossing denominational lines) theological works I’ve seen would point out that God worked a miracle, which goes beyond the natural world and cannot be explained by science. We don’t know how it worked but we can know that it would not have the consequences it would if it happened through only natural causes.
I think certain theological views have trouble though. Some expect science to follow the Bible and when it doesn’t, they argue that science is false. Others expect the Bible to follow science and, when it doesn’t, claims that the Bible “errs.” If one of them posts on the forums, expect sparks to fly.
FL would probably rather avoid the debates that arise from these conflicting views. It’s not the purpose of the forum. Hence, banning theological debate.
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David Wanat said:
I think certain theological views have trouble though. Some expect science to follow the Bible and when it doesn’t, they argue that science is false. Others expect the Bible to follow science and, when it doesn’t, claims that the Bible “errs.”
Agree completely. Again, just my thinking, the theologian/churchmen mistake is always to un-miracle the accounts, thinking it'll better sell, after the Enlightenment. That is why my two favorite churchmen are Tertullian (got tangled in the text but climbed out), and Marcion (demonstrated people can believe pretty much anything).
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I decided to skip the quackcine injection. Too many side-effects, according to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. I am announcing my move over to ChristianForums.com. They list Unitarians as non-Christians, so I will not be allowed to post in their "Christian Only" sub-forums, per their rules. They consider Unitarians like myself to be in the same category as the following religions:
(list copied from their website)
Buddhist
Deist
Hindu
Jehovahs-Witness
Judaism
Mormon
Muslim
Oneness
Other-Religion
Pagan
Pantheist
Seeker
Taoist
Unitarian (here I am, near the bottom)
UnorthodoxWish me luck!
Cheers!
P.S. When you wake up every morning, ask yourself this one question: Does the Earth feel like it is moving or does it feel like it is stationary? If you answer stationary, then welcome to the club!!!
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A few book suggestions (some in Logos, others requested.)
- Russell, Inventing the Flat Earth: Columbus and Modern HIstorians
- Peterson, Flat Earths and Fake Footnotes: The Strange Tale of How the Conflict of Science and Christianity Was Written Into History
- Greenwood, Scripture and Cosmology : Reading the Bible Between the Ancient World and Modern Science
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Chuck Easley said:
They list Unitarians as non-Christians, so I will not be allowed to post in their "Christian Only" sub-forums
Hi Chuck, just curious is there any web site that explains accurately what Unitarians believe, etc.? Thanks ahead of time for the info.
Peace and grace.
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Hamilton Ramos said:
is there any web site that explains accurately what Unitarians believe, etc.?
Having a best friend, aunt, and daughter-in-law who were/are unitarian, I know you must first distinguish whether you mean unitarian (Christian) or Unitarian Universalist. Then you must recognize that Unitarians represent a theological stream not an individual church. Our Unitarian Universalist Faith | UUA.org does a decent job of defining one strand. Note the Principles and Sources and you'll have a good understanding of them.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thank you for the link MJ.
Do you know what is UU position on Spiritual Intelligence?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_intelligence
Peace and grace.
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