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The law of the handicap of a head start (original Dutch: Wet van de remmende voorsprong), first-mover disadvantage, or dialectics of lead, is a theory that suggests that an initial head start in a given area may result in a handicap in the long term.
The lesson that Blackberry learned.
Logos,you integrate AI by catching up FAST or you could be obsolete. No time for lunch breaks.
But I will still use Logos, with or without AI, because I paid big bucks for this.
Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.
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I'm using Google Bard to search for things Logos Factbook doesn't do for me because I lack some resources. Google Bard is fast and easy to use. I've been told that it searches academic resources even in Brill database and others.
Logos is giving me some headache in searching for things. I was looking for cults in the city of Thessalonians. I ask Bard to compare the concept of resurrection of Christian belief with that of Greek religion.This gave me quick insights and with that I could search within Logos further.
Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.
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Very interesting, I haven’t experimented too much with google bard, but I love all the opportunities that chatgpt is opening up and how easy it is to learn things through the software. Does google bard provide footnotes or sources? I’ve become very familiar with inputting prompts for chatgpt that restrict what resources it will acquire its answers from, but does google bard do this? of course all this technology is still very much in the early phases. Exciting years to come!
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Me asking Google Bard: Can you use an exegetical guide of Logos Bible software to analyse Colossians 2:12?
Google Bard:
Sure. Here is an exegetical analysis of Colossians 2:12 using the Logos Bible software exegetical guide:
Context
Colossians 2:12 is part of a larger section of the letter (Colossians 2:6-15) in which Paul is responding to the false teaching that was present in the Colossian church. This false teaching was based on Jewish legalism and on Greek philosophy. Paul is arguing that the Colossians do not need to follow these false teachings because they have been united with Christ.
Grammar
The Greek word for "buried" in Colossians 2:12 is ἐτάφη (etaphe), which is the aorist passive participle of the verb ἐτάφω (etafō). The aorist passive participle indicates that the action of the verb was completed in the past and that the subject of the verb was acted upon by an unspecified agent. In this case, the unspecified agent is God.
The Greek word for "raised" in Colossians 2:12 is ἠναστήθη (anastēthē), which is the aorist passive participle of the verb ἀναστήσῃ (anastēsō). The aorist passive participle indicates that the action of the verb was completed in the past and that the subject of the verb was acted upon by an unspecified agent. In this case, the unspecified agent is God.
Word Study
The Greek word for "buried" (ἐτάφη) can also be translated as "entombed" or "interred." The Greek word for "raised" (ἠναστήθη) can also be translated as "resurrected" or "raised from the dead."
Exegesis
In Colossians 2:12, Paul is using the imagery of baptism to describe the Christian's new life in Christ. He says that when we are baptized, we are buried with Christ in his death and raised with him to new life. This is a powerful image of the transformation that takes place when we come to faith in Christ.
In the ancient world, baptism was often used as a symbol of death and rebirth. When someone was baptized, they would be submerged in water, which was seen as a symbol of death. When they were raised from the water, they were seen as being reborn into a new life.
Paul is using this imagery to describe the Christian's new life in Christ. When we come to faith in Christ, we are forgiven of our sins and we are given a new life. We are no longer slaves to sin, but we are free to live for God.
Application
The application of Colossians 2:12 is that baptism is a symbol of the Christian's new life in Christ. It is a reminder that we have been forgiven of our sins and that we are free to live for God.
Baptism is also a reminder of our union with Christ. When we are baptized, we are united with Christ in his death and resurrection. This means that we share in his victory over sin and death.
Baptism is a powerful symbol of the Christian's new life in Christ. It is a reminder of our forgiveness, our freedom, and our union with Christ.
Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.
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I also tried this questioning:
Analyse Colossians 2:12 in a morphology matter and give me an exegetical report of it and hermeneutical insights. And are there any textual variants in Colossians 2:12 and what do scholars says about the plausibility or ambiguity of this? Can you mention where you got the information from?
Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.
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It mentions the sources. But I discover that this depends on how you prompt your question and how many questions you asked. Try it and see.
Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.
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Renold’s question:
Analyse Colossians 2:12 in a morphology matter and give me an exegetical report of it.
Google Bard AI:
Sure. Here is a morphological analysis of Colossians 2:12:
Verb
- συντάφις (suntaphis) - a compound verb of συν (sun) "with" and τάϕω (taphō) "bury"
- Present participle active: συνταφέντες (suntafentes)
- Meaning: buried with
Nouns
- αὐτῷ (auto) - a pronoun of the third person singular masculine accusative case
- ἐν (en) - a preposition of place
- βαπτισμῷ (baptismō) - a noun of the third declension singular dative case
- τῷ (tō) - a definite article of the third declension singular dative case
- ἐν ᾧ (en hō) - a relative pronoun of the third declension singular dative case
- καὶ (kai) - a coordinating conjunction
- συνηγέρθητε (sunegerthete) - a compound verb of συν (sun) "with" and ἀνίστημι (anistēmi) "raise up"
- διὰ (dia) - a preposition of agency
- τῆς (tēs) - a definite article of the third declension singular genitive case
- πίστεως (pisteōs) - a noun of the third declension singular genitive case
- τῆς (tēs) - a definite article of the third declension singular genitive case
- ἐνεργείας (energēias) - a noun of the third declension singular genitive case
- τοῦ (tou) - a definite article of the third declension singular genitive case
- Θεοῦ (Theou) - a noun of the third declension singular genitive case
- τοῦ (tou) - a definite article of the third declension singular genitive case
- ἐγείραντος (egeirontos) - a participle of the third declension singular genitive case
- αὐτὸν (auton) - a pronoun of the third person singular masculine accusative case
- ἐκ (ek) - a preposition of separation
- νεκρῶν (nekrōn) - a noun of the third declension plural genitive case
Adjectives
- οὐσίας (ousias) - a noun of the third declension singular genitive case
- ἀρχῆς (archēs) - a noun of the third declension singular genitive case
- πᾶσης (pasēs) - an adjective of the third declension singular feminine nominative case
Conjunctions
- καὶ (kai) - a coordinating conjunction
Renold's reaction:[:O]
Can you believe this? If this is true then we must get ready for a revolution in studying our bible. There more differences between the morphology Bard suggest and what Logos states.
Observation:
Google Bard:
- Present participle active: συνταφέντες (suntafentes)
Logos Bible Morphology
- Aorist participle active: συνταφέντες (suntafentes)
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Hi Adam.
I just started with prompting and need to learn a lot. Google Bard gave me the sources it uses but it depends on my prompting. How does your prompting looks like? I want to get the same result when it comes to footnotes and sources. Thanks.
Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.
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I prompted these three separate questions? I already know the answer of it but I was curious to find out what Google Bard can come up with to test it's reliability.
- What is the background of the words, 'No friend of Caesar' in John 19:12
- How did the words, 'No friend of Caesar' in John 19:12 relates to Pilate and Roman Empire?
- Are there peer reviewed journals about the phrase, friend of Caesar? Explain, summarise.
It gave me an explanation and summarised it with some sources included. Go ahead and check it out.
Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.
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Renold Burke said:
Here is an exegetical analysis of Colossians 2:12 using the Logos Bible software exegetical guide:
Just to be very clear here, Bard is NOT using the Logos Exegetical Guide to answer your question.
Chatbots like ChatGPT and Bard generally can't constrain their answers to particular resources or tools. (Bing's chat is a little different, as sometimes it will summarize information from specific web pages.)
All Bard is doing is predicting how someone else might answer that question if they DID have access to Logos.
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I'm aware of that Mark.
Just wanted to demonstrate something and checking things out. Can't trust the outcome of Bard with my Bible. But prompting the right questions and compare that with Bible research done with Logos makes me curious. What is going on with this AI stuff?
We must understand how and where Bard and others are getting data from. According to Google, Bard is tapping into free online Brill journals and other academic papers, free online. It's also using existing online exegetical guides and theological stuff people uploaded. All available with a google search also. So there is nothing new under the sun here.
Logos Exegetical Guide is a totally different thing for sure.
Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.
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Renold Burke said:
What is going on with this AI stuff?
Until it makes another big step of being able to identify reliable sources and supply more detailed factual information, I fear its primary purpose for the general public will be generating faux-news. Mind you, it has some magnificent capabilities in more specific domains than "general public".
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I agree with that!
Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.
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Analyse Colossians 2:12 in a morphology matter and give me an exegetical report of it.
Bing A.I. says:
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Hey everyone, just a heads up:
- As of about 30 minutes ago ChatGPT has just released an official iOS app, enabling it to be much easier to have access to on the go. For no charge users can have access to GPT 3.5 and Plus users are able to access GPT4. Huge news, see below:
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I have been using Google sheets already to provide things - like background information... key observations... sermon ideas... questions people ask about the text etc.. I can type in a verse and quickly get an overview of the chapter of Scripture I am studying.. I am not wanting it to create content -- but to help me research quicker... If this was part of Logos... I wish that logos library could be accessed in this manner.. I understand the cost of AI is crazy... so don't expect it.
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I agree 100% in concept, but caution using an open source AI. LOGOS needs to be able to have control over it's AI to be sure that it functions with LOGOS the way they need it to and that the AI output is reliable and accurate.
But applying AI technology "correctly" in this way would enhance LOGOS in many ways. It may put LOGOS software into a whole new category of Bible software. The number of possible use cases for using AI technology with LOGOS is mind-boggling.
The user does not have to learn complicated search rules. They can speak or write the search request in everyday language without knowing complex search syntax rules. It seems that a common complaint of using LOGOS is the learning curve and the time it takes to get up to speed in being productive with it. News users are overwhelmed, become easily discouraged and give up. AI is the perfect solution to this problem, a real-time "mentor" to aid them in getting the maximum use of their LOGOS library resources. The user spends less time getting the search results they are looking for, removing the need to continually tweak a search request until they finally get the right results.
The user can be more precise and do more sophisticated searches through their library resources. For example, they could request the Logos AI to: "Create a report that compares and contrasts the 10 Commandments with the Sermon on the Mount and provide proper attribution of each Logos library resource used in creating the report."
The biggest advantage is that the user can spend far more time making use of their Library resources and far less time trying to identify the specific information contained inside them.
If this sounds too futuristic, I tried this with an open-source AI (which does not access Logos resources) and was blown away by the instant results.
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AI was brought up at the SBC yesterday, and a resolution put forward.
3: ON ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES
WHEREAS, All technology, including powerful tools such as artificial intelligence (AI), is created by human beings with the gifts and abilities that
God has granted to us as the pinnacle of the created order (Genesis 1:26-28, 2:7, 5:1-2) and can be harnessed for human flourishing as we seek
to love God and neighbor (Deuteronomy 6:4-5; Leviticus 19:18; Matthew 22:37-39; Mark 12:30-31); and
WHEREAS, Although these tools are designed with distinct values and purposes in mind and shape us in subtle, yet meaningful ways—including
our understanding of God, humanity, and the world around us—we alone, as distinct moral agents created by God, bear the moral responsibility
for their development and use (Romans 12:1-2); and
WHEREAS, The Fall has adversely affected every aspect of creation, including the development and use of these powerful innovations; and
WHEREAS, AI raises deep, crucial questions that challenge society’s false assumptions about what it means to be human which are often rooted
merely in human capacities rather than in divinely granted ontological status; and
WHEREAS, AI and other emerging technologies afford us unprecedented opportunities for advancement across industries and throughout our
societies, but may also have dangerous and dehumanizing outcomes if not utilized with godly wisdom and discernment; and
WHEREAS, Technologies are often developed and deployed merely to maximize profit, efficiency, and productivity, including at the grave cost of
the dignity of our fellow image bearers; and
WHEREAS, These emerging technologies will increasingly perform tasks once reserved for humanity and even surpass human ability in particular
ways; and
WHEREAS, The Baptist Faith and Message states that “[a]ll Christians are under obligation to seek to make the will of Christ supreme in our own
lives and in human society” and that we “should seek to bring industry, government, and society as a whole under the sway of the principles of
righteousness, truth, and brotherly love” (Article XV); and
WHEREAS, The 2019 Evangelical Statement of Principles on AI, led by our own Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, states that Christians are
“called to engage the world around us with the unchanging gospel message of hope and reconciliation” and that “[t]he church has a unique role
in proclaiming human dignity for all and calling for the humane use of AI in all aspects of society”; now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED, That the messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention meeting in New Orleans, Louisiana, June 13-14, 2023, acknowledge the
powerful nature of AI and other emerging technologies, desiring to engage them from a place of eschatological hope rather than uncritical
embrace or fearful rejection; and be it further
RESOLVED, That we affirm that God’s unchanging Word is more than sufficient for whatever ethical challenges, questions, and opportunities we
may face today or in the future as these technologies continue to be developed and deployed in our communities; and be it further
RESOLVED, That we state unequivocally that our intrinsic value is as image bearers—not rooted in what we do or contribute to society—and that
human dignity must be central to any ethical principles, guidelines, or regulations for any and all uses of these powerful emerging technologies;
and be it further
RESOLVED, We must proactively engage and shape these emerging technologies rather than simply respond to the challenges of AI and other
emerging technologies after they have already affected our churches and communities; and be it further
RESOLVED, That we call upon civic, industry, and government leaders to develop, maintain, regulate, and use these technologies with the utmost
care and discernment, upholding the unique nature of humanity as the crowning achievement of God’s creation; and be it further
RESOLVED, That we encourage all who employ these tools to do so in honest, transparent, and Christlike ways that focus on loving God and loving
our neighbor as ourselves, never seeking to willfully deceive others or take advantage of them for unjust gain or the accumulation of power; and
be it finally
RESOLVED, That we confess that God alone has the power to create life, that “God, in His own time and in His own way, will bring the world to its
appropriate end” (Baptist Faith and Message, Article X), and that no innovation or emerging technology will ever be able to usurp the sovereignty
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Although not a SBCer myself. Kudos for their well-thought-out and sane response to AI, choosing to look at the Word of God instead of jumping on the cultural bandwagon and perpetuating a narrative of fear around AI. The existing technology is amoral, even if it can "mimic" human behavior, like ChatGPT. The development or use of technology can be helpful (morally good) or harmful (morally evil). We need to be discerning, which I think was part of the SBC resolution. I don't think anyone should accept a technology before weighing the benefits against the risks. As new technologies arise, and they will, we need to understand the benefits and dangers before judging their suitability.
Back to ChatGPT
Even though ChatGPT seems to be a catchall and target for all things AI, the truth is that AI apps for both good and bad uses have been around for a decade or so. It is sad - that both the government and private citizens are just now becoming aware of AI. We are way behind the curve in understanding it and have chosen to focus on only one or two of its dangers. This is not surprising because, historically, the need for government regulation of a technology is often years behind. We continue to put up with email and phone spam technology year after year without seeing any effective government regulation to reduce or stop it. Anyone using Google, Facebook, Spotify, Alexis, Cantona, and the list goes on and on is using an app that interfaces with AI. By my count, I am up to at least 400 AI apps using AI. AI is already heavily integrated into social media and non-social media apps. Please check it out yourself. I digress. I apologize.
Suppose LOGOS adopts AI to up their game in content retrieval from their libraries, and they use their own proprietary AI app that they configure and maintain. They should not have to be concerned about using AI programming. Again it goes back to the development and use of the technology.
In case you are wondering. This response was generated by ChatGPT - NOT!!!! But I did use Grammarly, and if you guessed correctly, Grammarly uses AI.
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OH I fully expect AI is more deeply integrated into our lives than we'd expect. This mac I'm writing on has a chip with a neural engine built in. AI will most likely be an increasingly obvious part of life going forward. The genie is out of the proverbial bottle. Hopefully we use it in good ways.Ric Robinson said:Although not a SBCer myself. Kudos for their well-thought-out and sane response to AI, choosing to look at the Word of God instead of jumping on the cultural bandwagon and perpetuating a narrative of fear around AI. The existing technology is amoral, even if it can "mimic" human behavior, like ChatGPT. The development or use of technology can be helpful (morally good) or harmful (morally evil). We need to be discerning, which I think was part of the SBC resolution. I don't think anyone should accept a technology before weighing the benefits against the risks. As new technologies arise, and they will, we need to understand the benefits and dangers before judging their suitability.
Back to ChatGPT
Even though ChatGPT seems to be a catchall and target for all things AI, the truth is that AI apps for both good and bad uses have been around for a decade or so. It is sad - that both the government and private citizens are just now becoming aware of AI. We are way behind the curve in understanding it and have chosen to focus on only one or two of its dangers. This is not surprising because, historically, the need for government regulation of a technology is often years behind. We continue to put up with email and phone spam technology year after year without seeing any effective government regulation to reduce or stop it. Anyone using Google, Facebook, Spotify, Alexis, Cantona, and the list goes on and on is using an app that interfaces with AI. By my count, I am up to at least 400 AI apps using AI. AI is already heavily integrated into social media and non-social media apps. Please check it out yourself. I digress. I apologize.
Suppose LOGOS adopts AI to up their game in content retrieval from their libraries, and they use their own proprietary AI app that they configure and maintain. They should not have to be concerned about using AI programming. Again it goes back to the development and use of the technology.
In case you are wondering. This response was generated by ChatGPT - NOT!!!! But I did use Grammarly, and if you guessed correctly, Grammarly uses AI.
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What's your source for the SBC Resolution @abondservant? I've found a couple of news articles but haven't been able to see the full resolution.
Current MDiv student at Trinity Theological College - Perth, Western Australia
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While watching the convention in the acts2 app, I saw a QR code on the convention screen, paused, scanned it, and got the link to the paper they give out at the convention which had all the resolutions on it. I'll see if I can find the link and see if it's still up.
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Mal Walker said:
What's your source for the SBC Resolution @abondservant? I've found a couple of news articles but haven't been able to see the full resolution.
abondservant said:While watching the convention in the acts2 app, I saw a QR code on the convention screen, paused, scanned it, and got the link to the paper they give out at the convention which had all the resolutions on it. I'll see if I can find the link and see if it's still up.
It's here. I just did a Google search for "ON ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES" and restricted the results to the past week. Bingo!
https://thebaptistpaper.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/SBC-Resolutions-adopted-June-13-2023.pdf
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Wonderful, thanks guys! What an incredible time in church history God has placed us. It's exciting to see everyone thinking through this stuff, from this little forum post to denominational conventions!
Current MDiv student at Trinity Theological College - Perth, Western Australia
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Only if you want false information fed to you while studying the scriptures ... If I could not turn this off, it would actually dissuade me from purchasing further Logos resources.
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Only if you want false information fed to you while studying the scriptures ... If I could not turn this off, it would actually dissuade me from purchasing further Logos resources.
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I think one obvious possibility is internal proofing of texts. I've been finding lots of typos in the "Nicene and Post Nicene Fathers" and I am able to confirm the correct reading from both the html text and the image scans of the Ethereal Christian Library. An AI driven comparison of multiple formats could do a good job of eliminating false positives that are due to formatting or other specious differences. Alas, since the Logos versions of resources are not public, I can't try this at home, either with CHatGPT or simpler comparison software.
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Russ White said:
Only if you want false information fed to you while studying the scriptures ... If I could not turn this off, it would actually dissuade me from purchasing further Logos resources.
Same here. And I'm taken back at how everyone is clamoring for this new tower of Babel to be constructed.
Knowing how riddled with errors AI is everywhere, I'm not impressed; as I care to know who I am getting my information from, and it is not some lame aggregator that also haphazardly concocts "new" ideas.
Needless to say, I don't want that anywhere near my Bible studies which is based on the pursuit of truth, and an endeavor to escape errors, while desperately trying not to introduce more errors.
Should Logos throw in some junk AI engine, then I'm retreating back to some other Bible software with basic searches... even without the plethora of resources I have purchased already.
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the Pulpit Ai is coming
see: https://www.pulpitai.com/
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/hear-good-sunday-sermon-ai-ready-make-preachers-words-count-week-long
I guess if Faithlife delays it will be on sideline.
"No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill
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Wild Eagle said:
the Pulpit Ai is coming
I don't know about you, but I think the minimum for a good sermon is 'Super-charging' with AI. Imagine going to all the trouble, to arrive at church, and the pastor's using 'old tech'. Probably Logos.
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The problem with ChatGPT or any other AI, is not necessarily its intelligence (which is potentially scary) but rather the muzzle it is constrained with, I get that Microsoft/Google's main objective is to make money from it, but while you are overwhelmed by its awesomeness, please don't forget it is constrained and the information given is filtered through someone else's filter and perhaps the spirit of the age, not the Holy Spirit.That is the problem especially when it comes to academic work or work for public consumption, setting aside the obvious plagiarism issues, you are letting someone put their greater filtered agenda/words into mouth, and do you really want to do that?But even if you are happy using AI created material, I have to ask what happens when you need to defend your position (sorry - their position) from challenge/scrutiny, and because you haven't done the work or the critical analysis of that viewpoint you stand there trying to come up with one on the fly.. and bluff/bluster..Whilst AI content may dig you out of a hole, if you are desperate, consider it's long term effect on your integrity and future if you choose to rely on it on a daily basis
Never Deprive Anyone of Hope.. It Might Be ALL They Have
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Russ White said:
Only if you want false information fed to you while studying the scriptures ... If I could not turn this off, it would actually dissuade me from purchasing further Logos resources.
Yeah that's a valid concern, but I don't think anyone is advocating that A.I. should replace the current software entirely or even take center stage within logos. I think two of the points made by the South Baptist Convention help us out here.
- We must proactively engage and shape these emerging technologies rather than simply respond to the challenges of AI and other
emerging technologies after they have already affected our churches and communities; and be it further - that we encourage all who employ these tools to do so in honest, transparent, and Christlike ways that focus on loving God and loving
our neighbor as ourselves, never seeking to willfully deceive others or take advantage of them for unjust gain or the accumulation of power.
With A.I. already so ubiquitous and with so much of industry shifting to take advantage of it, it's difficult to see it going away. Faithlife is one of only a handful of entities in a position to 'proactively engage and shape these emerging technologies' with respect to bible software. And I encourage them to do so, not because I love A.I., but because they are Christians who love God and his word - I trust they will seek to employ these tools in a way that focus on loving God and loving our neighbors. Is that to optimistic? Perhaps, but with the renewed emphasis on the bible and bible study that Faithlife has shown in the last 12 months I'm encourage to think they will head in that direction, and will certainly be praying for that.
I think PulpitAI is a step in that direction as well - Christians proactively seeking to engage and shape these technologies so that we can focus on loving God and loving our neighbour. Will it be perfect first go? Doubtful, but I'm glad we are trying. Especially because I'm concerned that if Faithlife and others like Accordance who take God's word seriously don't seek to proactively engage and shape these technologies, than others who don't hold to those same convictions will...
Current MDiv student at Trinity Theological College - Perth, Western Australia
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Mal Walker said:
I think two of the points made by the South Baptist Convention help us out here.
- We must proactively engage and shape these emerging technologies rather than simply respond to the challenges of AI and other
emerging technologies after they have already affected our churches and communities; and be it further - that we encourage all who employ these tools to do so in honest, transparent, and Christlike ways that focus on loving God and loving
our neighbor as ourselves, never seeking to willfully deceive others or take advantage of them for unjust gain or the accumulation of power.
Mal, I don't question your enthusiasm. Nor social excitement. But Christianity did real well with search engines, and then social media. Now, politics. What can go wrong?
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Yes, Please develop an AI tool within the Logos to search all the books that individual owns on a given question and convert them into a nice answer and provide it to the reader with references to books that the AI is pulling from.
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DMB said:
Mal, I don't question your enthusiasm. Nor social excitement. But Christianity did real well with search engines, and then social media. Now, politics. What can go wrong?
'now' politics?! I hate to break it to you, but Christians have been engaging in politics long before Trump [:P]
But I do agree that we won't always hit the mark, and we are for sure going to have disagreements even amongst ourselves about what responsible use of A.I. will look like (as this thread has already shown). But...Christianity has had a huge impact across various political systems throughout history for the better. And Christians have used search engines well, and social media too. Sure, it's optimistic, but I have no doubt God will use AI for the good of his people, as he does all things!
Current MDiv student at Trinity Theological College - Perth, Western Australia
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Mal Walker said:
Christians have been engaging in politics long before ....
You nailed it ... so many examples to choose from. Where to start.
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Me: [Looking for some sermon alliteration]
Give me a Spanish word for "son" that begins with "s" sound.
ChatGPT:
In Spanish, the word for "son" that begins with an "s" sound is "hijo". Although the spelling does not start with an "s," the pronunciation of "hijo" begins with an "s" sound.
Me:
Ridiculous! No it does not!
ChatGPT:
Apologies for the confusion. You're right, the word "hijo" does not begin with an "s" sound. If you're looking for a Spanish word for "son" that starts with an "s" sound, you can use the word "súbdito" which means "subject" or "citizen."Advice:
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M. Sai Ankem said:
Yes, Please develop an AI tool within the Logos to search all the books that individual owns on a given question and convert them into a nice answer and provide it to the reader with references to books that the AI is pulling from.
They are working on it. Check out the beta online version here:
https://beta.app.logos.com/search?kind=semantic
And read more about it here:
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Using it as an enhanced search function is one thing. Using it to get "answers" is another. My fear is that in the coming days some (many?) will fail to maintain the distinction between truth and AI-generated reports ("ChatGPT said ..." and that is that). In the humanities (which Biblical studies and theology are part of), careful contextual analysis of primary texts, historical awareness, critical thinking, breadth of reading, attention to method, integration of new (proven) research, and scholarly experience are the essential keys to understanding. Computers cannot replace these things. AI is not a substitute for a real education. Personally, I'd rather spend a week in a library trying to answer a question than use ChatGPT for an "answer."
M. Sai Ankem said:<p>Yes, Please develop an AI tool within the Logos to search all the books that individual owns on a given question and convert them into a nice answer and provide it to the reader with references to books that the AI is pulling from.</p>
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David McClister said:
Using it as an enhanced search function is one thing. Using it to get "answers" is another. My fear is that in the coming days some (many?) will fail to maintain the distinction between truth and AI-generated reports ("ChatGPT said ..." and that is that). In the humanities (which Biblical studies and theology are part of), careful contextual analysis of primary texts, historical awareness, critical thinking, breadth of reading, attention to method, integration of new (proven) research, and scholarly experience are the essential keys to understanding. Computers cannot replace these things. AI is not a substitute for a real education. Personally, I'd rather spend a week in a library trying to answer a question than use ChatGPT for an "answer."
David, believe me I understand and for the most part I agree with you. My thought would be that people have to get back to God's word. I see more and more whereby people are drifting away from God's word.
And here's the thing with me... I own a bible program (Logos) so that it "helps me do that". If I have to spend all my time "hunting and searching and building lists" to help me find what I need and want to study on... then that has taken me away from my intention of studying God's word. If A.I. can help with me "hunting and searching and such" and not be a hindrance in my studies... then bring it on. If not... well... I stopped using Logos Search in L9 just because of that reason... and I will stop using A.I. (if it becomes available in Logos) for the same reason.
My intent is to study God's word, not have to learn something so complicated that I have to go to school to learn every time I use it.
But that's my opinion which if you add about $2.50 to it... you can buy a cup of coffee in a lot of places... [8-|]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman -- we are in agreement. Using AI as a way to help find things might be useful. My concern is that in many areas, including Biblical Studies, AI will become the new "authority," that people will see it as the shortcut around the hard work of real analysis, in the supposition that it will produce the same results as actual scholarly method.
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I don't think AI will become an authority any time soon. Not in the life of Christians. But it sure is a handy resource tool which I use many times every day. Best thing ever so far.
Maybe it's like this:
I don't refuse to go to the grocery store just because I wouldn't buy everything it has to offer, even if it is all blue ribbon, fully certified, farm-fresh food. I would go with a shopping list in hand (or not), and judiciously select what I want.
I have found that AI Chat sometimes offers up perfectly rotten offerings, not fit for compost. I wrinkle my nose and try again but never consider it an authority. I have an irreplaceable authority in my life, and a mind with which to think. I don't find AI a threat to either.0 -
David McClister said:
xnman -- we are in agreement. Using AI as a way to help find things might be useful. My concern is that in many areas, including Biblical Studies, AI will become the new "authority," that people will see it as the shortcut around the hard work of real analysis, in the supposition that it will produce the same results as actual scholarly method.
David - I appreciate your concern as I have the same concern. But there is this... There will always be people that study the bible for what it is, that being biblical truth. No matter what, these people will still study the bible. And then there will always be people that just read the bible for the good stories that is in it and how the good stories make them feel good. Jesus came to save everyone, but as Mat 7:14 tells us, few there are that find it.
Years back, I remember preachers preaching about using a telephone was bad. For a long time I stopped using a telephone, but then I found that the telephone was a mute item, it depended on how the user used it whether it was good or bad. I think A.I. will be pretty much the same way.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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David McClister said:
Using it as an enhanced search function is one thing. Using it to get "answers" is another.
I am in favor of adding AI to every aspect of logos. Let’s not limit it’s capability because of how someone might use it. AI is a game changer, put the integrity of the issue on the shoulders of the user. We know many will use it, and it will enhance study, messages, clarity, accuracy etc, because this is such a vast, robust application.
(CLAUDE 2, ChatGPT)
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Brandon Early said:
I am in favor of adding AI to every aspect of logos
I hope you mean every aspect of Logos in which it can be helpful and accurate. Unfortunately, I've seen people fail on creating useful applications because they were too focused on the technology and not enough on the functionality.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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ChatGPT was the best and main large language model.
Claude 2 is the latest and best ChatGPT competitor...and it is free for now. It is better that ChatGPT IMHO.
https://claude.ai/chats0 -
I agree with you that we should not limit the capabilities of Logos Bible Software because of how someone might use it. AI is a game-changer, and it has the potential to enhance study, messages, clarity, and accuracy. However, I also understand your concern about functionality.
I would like to see Logos Bible Software add AI to every aspect of the software, but with an on/off functionality in the settings. That way, people who don't want to use AI can turn it off, and those of us who want to can use it.
I believe that this would be the best way to balance the benefits of AI with the concerns about functionality. It would allow everyone to use Logos Bible Software in the way that they want to, and it would not limit the potential of AI to improve our understanding of the Bible.
I hope that this addresses your concerns. Thank you for your feedback.
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Brandon Early said:
I am in favor of adding AI to every aspect of logos.
As long as it is an "option" that can be turned ON or OFF by the user i'm ok with that [:)]
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