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  • Renold Burke
    Renold Burke Member Posts: 90 ✭✭

    The law of the handicap of a head start (original Dutch: Wet van de remmende voorsprong), first-mover disadvantage, or dialectics of lead, is a theory that suggests that an initial head start in a given area may result in a handicap in the long term.
    The lesson that Blackberry learned.


    Logos,

    you integrate AI by catching up FAST or you could be obsolete. No time for lunch breaks.

    But I will still use Logos, with or without AI, because I paid big bucks for this.

    Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.

  • Renold Burke
    Renold Burke Member Posts: 90 ✭✭

    I'm using Google Bard to search for things Logos Factbook doesn't do for me because I lack some resources. Google Bard is fast and easy to use. I've been told that it searches academic resources even in Brill database and others.
    Logos is giving me some headache in searching for things. I was looking for cults in the city of Thessalonians. I ask Bard to compare the concept of resurrection of Christian belief with that of Greek religion. 

    This gave me quick insights and with that I could search within Logos further. 

    Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.

  • Adam
    Adam Member Posts: 16

    Very interesting, I haven’t experimented too much with google bard, but I love all the opportunities that chatgpt is opening up and how easy it is to learn things through the software. Does google bard provide footnotes or sources? I’ve become very familiar with inputting prompts for chatgpt that restrict what resources it will acquire its answers from, but does google bard do this? of course all this technology is still very much in the early phases. Exciting years to come!

  • Renold Burke
    Renold Burke Member Posts: 90 ✭✭

    Me asking Google Bard: Can you use an exegetical guide of Logos Bible software to analyse Colossians 2:12?

    Google Bard:

    Sure. Here is an exegetical analysis of Colossians 2:12 using the Logos Bible software exegetical guide:

    Context

    Colossians 2:12 is part of a larger section of the letter (Colossians 2:6-15) in which Paul is responding to the false teaching that was present in the Colossian church. This false teaching was based on Jewish legalism and on Greek philosophy. Paul is arguing that the Colossians do not need to follow these false teachings because they have been united with Christ.

    Grammar

    The Greek word for "buried" in Colossians 2:12 is ἐτάφη (etaphe), which is the aorist passive participle of the verb ἐτάφω (etafō). The aorist passive participle indicates that the action of the verb was completed in the past and that the subject of the verb was acted upon by an unspecified agent. In this case, the unspecified agent is God.

    The Greek word for "raised" in Colossians 2:12 is ἠναστήθη (anastēthē), which is the aorist passive participle of the verb ἀναστήσῃ (anastēsō). The aorist passive participle indicates that the action of the verb was completed in the past and that the subject of the verb was acted upon by an unspecified agent. In this case, the unspecified agent is God.

    Word Study

    The Greek word for "buried" (ἐτάφη) can also be translated as "entombed" or "interred." The Greek word for "raised" (ἠναστήθη) can also be translated as "resurrected" or "raised from the dead."

    Exegesis

    In Colossians 2:12, Paul is using the imagery of baptism to describe the Christian's new life in Christ. He says that when we are baptized, we are buried with Christ in his death and raised with him to new life. This is a powerful image of the transformation that takes place when we come to faith in Christ.

    In the ancient world, baptism was often used as a symbol of death and rebirth. When someone was baptized, they would be submerged in water, which was seen as a symbol of death. When they were raised from the water, they were seen as being reborn into a new life.

    Paul is using this imagery to describe the Christian's new life in Christ. When we come to faith in Christ, we are forgiven of our sins and we are given a new life. We are no longer slaves to sin, but we are free to live for God.

    Application

    The application of Colossians 2:12 is that baptism is a symbol of the Christian's new life in Christ. It is a reminder that we have been forgiven of our sins and that we are free to live for God.

    Baptism is also a reminder of our union with Christ. When we are baptized, we are united with Christ in his death and resurrection. This means that we share in his victory over sin and death.

    Baptism is a powerful symbol of the Christian's new life in Christ. It is a reminder of our forgiveness, our freedom, and our union with Christ.

    Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.

  • Renold Burke
    Renold Burke Member Posts: 90 ✭✭

    I also tried this questioning:

    Analyse Colossians 2:12 in a morphology matter and give me an exegetical report of it and hermeneutical insights. And are there any textual variants in Colossians 2:12 and what do scholars says about the plausibility or ambiguity of this? Can you mention where you got the information from?

    Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.

  • Renold Burke
    Renold Burke Member Posts: 90 ✭✭

    It mentions the sources. But I discover that this depends on how you prompt your question and how many questions you asked. Try it and see. 

    Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.

  • Renold Burke
    Renold Burke Member Posts: 90 ✭✭

    Renold’s question: 

    Analyse Colossians 2:12 in a morphology matter and give me an exegetical report of it. 

    Google Bard AI:

    Sure. Here is a morphological analysis of Colossians 2:12:

    Verb

    • συντάφις (suntaphis) - a compound verb of συν (sun) "with" and τάϕω (taphō) "bury"
    • Present participle active: συνταφέντες (suntafentes)
    • Meaning: buried with

    Nouns

    • αὐτῷ (auto) - a pronoun of the third person singular masculine accusative case
    • ἐν (en) - a preposition of place
    • βαπτισμῷ (baptismō) - a noun of the third declension singular dative case
    • τῷ (tō) - a definite article of the third declension singular dative case
    • ἐν ᾧ (en hō) - a relative pronoun of the third declension singular dative case
    • καὶ (kai) - a coordinating conjunction
    • συνηγέρθητε (sunegerthete) - a compound verb of συν (sun) "with" and ἀνίστημι (anistēmi) "raise up"
    • διὰ (dia) - a preposition of agency
    • τῆς (tēs) - a definite article of the third declension singular genitive case
    • πίστεως (pisteōs) - a noun of the third declension singular genitive case
    • τῆς (tēs) - a definite article of the third declension singular genitive case
    • ἐνεργείας (energēias) - a noun of the third declension singular genitive case
    • τοῦ (tou) - a definite article of the third declension singular genitive case
    • Θεοῦ (Theou) - a noun of the third declension singular genitive case
    • τοῦ (tou) - a definite article of the third declension singular genitive case
    • ἐγείραντος (egeirontos) - a participle of the third declension singular genitive case
    • αὐτὸν (auton) - a pronoun of the third person singular masculine accusative case
    • ἐκ (ek) - a preposition of separation
    • νεκρῶν (nekrōn) - a noun of the third declension plural genitive case

    Adjectives

    • οὐσίας (ousias) - a noun of the third declension singular genitive case
    • ἀρχῆς (archēs) - a noun of the third declension singular genitive case
    • πᾶσης (pasēs) - an adjective of the third declension singular feminine nominative case

    Conjunctions

    • καὶ (kai) - a coordinating conjunction

    Renold's reaction:[:O]

    Can you believe this? If this is true then we must get ready for a revolution in studying our bible. There more differences between the morphology Bard suggest and what Logos states. 

    Observation:

    Google Bard:

    • Present participle active: συνταφέντες (suntafentes)

    Logos Bible Morphology 

    • Aorist participle active: συνταφέντες (suntafentes)

    Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.

  • Renold Burke
    Renold Burke Member Posts: 90 ✭✭

    Hi Adam.

    I just started with prompting and need to learn a lot. Google Bard gave me the sources it uses but it depends on my prompting. How does your prompting looks like? I want to get the same result when it comes to footnotes and sources. Thanks.

    Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.

  • Renold Burke
    Renold Burke Member Posts: 90 ✭✭

    I prompted these three separate questions? I already know the answer of it but I was curious to find out what Google Bard can come up with to test it's reliability. 

    1. What is the background of the words, 'No friend of Caesar' in John 19:12
    2. How did the words, 'No friend of Caesar' in John 19:12 relates to Pilate and Roman Empire?
    3. Are there peer reviewed journals about the phrase, friend of Caesar? Explain, summarise.

    It gave me an explanation and summarised it with some sources included. Go ahead and check it out.

    Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.

  • Mark Barnes (Logos)
    Mark Barnes (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 1,952

    Here is an exegetical analysis of Colossians 2:12 using the Logos Bible software exegetical guide:

    Just to be very clear here, Bard is NOT using the Logos Exegetical Guide to answer your question.

    Chatbots like ChatGPT and Bard generally can't constrain their answers to particular resources or tools. (Bing's chat is a little different, as sometimes it will summarize information from specific web pages.)

    All Bard is doing is predicting how someone else might answer that question if they DID have access to Logos.

  • Renold Burke
    Renold Burke Member Posts: 90 ✭✭

    Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.

  • Renold Burke
    Renold Burke Member Posts: 90 ✭✭

    I'm aware of that Mark. 

    Just wanted to demonstrate something and checking things out. Can't trust the outcome of Bard with my Bible. But prompting the right questions and compare that with Bible research done with Logos makes me curious. What is going on with this AI stuff?

    We must understand how and where Bard and others are getting data from. According to Google, Bard is tapping into free online Brill journals and other academic papers, free online. It's also using existing online exegetical guides and theological stuff people uploaded. All available with a google search also. So there is nothing new under the sun here. 

    Logos Exegetical Guide is a totally different thing for sure.

    Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,284

    What is going on with this AI stuff?

    Until it makes another big step of being able to identify reliable sources and supply more detailed factual information, I fear its primary purpose for the general public will be generating faux-news. Mind you, it has some magnificent capabilities in more specific domains than "general public".

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Renold Burke
    Renold Burke Member Posts: 90 ✭✭

    Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.

  • Lynden O. Williams
    Lynden O. Williams MVP Posts: 9,008

    Analyse Colossians 2:12 in a morphology matter and give me an exegetical report of it.

    Bing A.I. says:




    Mission: To serve God as He desires.

  • Adam
    Adam Member Posts: 16

    Hey everyone, just a heads up:

    • As of about 30 minutes ago ChatGPT has just released an official iOS app, enabling it to be much easier to have access to on the go. For no charge users can have access to GPT 3.5 and Plus users are able to access GPT4. Huge news, see below:


    https://openai.com/

  • Brenden Bridges
    Brenden Bridges Member Posts: 17 ✭✭

    I have been using Google sheets already to provide  things - like  background information... key observations... sermon ideas... questions people ask about the text etc.. I can type in a verse and quickly get an overview of the chapter of Scripture I am studying.. I am not wanting it to create content -- but to help me research quicker... If this was part of Logos... I wish that logos library could be accessed in this manner.. I understand the cost of AI is crazy... so don't expect it.

  • Ric Robinson
    Ric Robinson Member Posts: 6 ✭✭

    I agree 100% in concept, but caution using an open source AI.   LOGOS needs to be able to have control over it's AI to be sure that it functions with LOGOS the way they need it to and that the AI output is reliable and accurate.

    But applying AI technology "correctly" in this way would enhance LOGOS in many ways. It may put LOGOS software into a whole new category of Bible software. The number of possible use cases for using AI technology with LOGOS is mind-boggling.

    The user does not have to learn complicated search rules. They can speak or write the search request in everyday language without knowing complex search syntax rules.  It seems that a common complaint of using LOGOS is the learning curve and the time it takes to get up to speed in being productive with it.  News users are overwhelmed, become easily discouraged and give up.  AI is the perfect solution to this problem, a real-time "mentor" to aid them in getting the maximum use of their LOGOS library resources.  The user spends less time getting the search results they are looking for, removing the need to continually tweak a search request until they finally get the right results.

    The user can be more precise and do more sophisticated searches through their library resources. For example, they could request the Logos AI to: "Create a report that compares and contrasts the 10 Commandments with the Sermon on the Mount and provide proper attribution of each Logos library resource used in creating the report."

    The biggest advantage is that the user can spend far more time making use of their Library resources and far less time trying to identify the specific information contained inside them.

    If this sounds too futuristic, I tried this with an open-source AI (which does not access Logos resources) and was blown away by the instant results. 

  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭

    AI was brought up at the SBC yesterday, and a resolution put forward.

    3: ON ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES
    WHEREAS, All technology, including powerful tools such as artificial intelligence (AI), is created by human beings with the gifts and abilities that
    God has granted to us as the pinnacle of the created order (Genesis 1:26-28, 2:7, 5:1-2) and can be harnessed for human flourishing as we seek
    to love God and neighbor (Deuteronomy 6:4-5; Leviticus 19:18; Matthew 22:37-39; Mark 12:30-31); and
    WHEREAS, Although these tools are designed with distinct values and purposes in mind and shape us in subtle, yet meaningful ways—including
    our understanding of God, humanity, and the world around us—we alone, as distinct moral agents created by God, bear the moral responsibility
    for their development and use (Romans 12:1-2); and
    WHEREAS, The Fall has adversely affected every aspect of creation, including the development and use of these powerful innovations; and
    WHEREAS, AI raises deep, crucial questions that challenge society’s false assumptions about what it means to be human which are often rooted
    merely in human capacities rather than in divinely granted ontological status; and
    WHEREAS, AI and other emerging technologies afford us unprecedented opportunities for advancement across industries and throughout our
    societies, but may also have dangerous and dehumanizing outcomes if not utilized with godly wisdom and discernment; and
    WHEREAS, Technologies are often developed and deployed merely to maximize profit, efficiency, and productivity, including at the grave cost of
    the dignity of our fellow image bearers; and
    WHEREAS, These emerging technologies will increasingly perform tasks once reserved for humanity and even surpass human ability in particular
    ways; and
    WHEREAS, The Baptist Faith and Message states that “[a]ll Christians are under obligation to seek to make the will of Christ supreme in our own
    lives and in human society” and that we “should seek to bring industry, government, and society as a whole under the sway of the principles of
    righteousness, truth, and brotherly love” (Article XV); and
    WHEREAS, The 2019 Evangelical Statement of Principles on AI, led by our own Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, states that Christians are
    “called to engage the world around us with the unchanging gospel message of hope and reconciliation” and that “[t]he church has a unique role
    in proclaiming human dignity for all and calling for the humane use of AI in all aspects of society”; now, therefore, be it
    RESOLVED, That the messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention meeting in New Orleans, Louisiana, June 13-14, 2023, acknowledge the
    powerful nature of AI and other emerging technologies, desiring to engage them from a place of eschatological hope rather than uncritical
    embrace or fearful rejection; and be it further
    RESOLVED, That we affirm that God’s unchanging Word is more than sufficient for whatever ethical challenges, questions, and opportunities we
    may face today or in the future as these technologies continue to be developed and deployed in our communities; and be it further
    RESOLVED, That we state unequivocally that our intrinsic value is as image bearers—not rooted in what we do or contribute to society—and that
    human dignity must be central to any ethical principles, guidelines, or regulations for any and all uses of these powerful emerging technologies;
    and be it further
    RESOLVED, We must proactively engage and shape these emerging technologies rather than simply respond to the challenges of AI and other
    emerging technologies after they have already affected our churches and communities; and be it further
    RESOLVED, That we call upon civic, industry, and government leaders to develop, maintain, regulate, and use these technologies with the utmost
    care and discernment, upholding the unique nature of humanity as the crowning achievement of God’s creation; and be it further
    RESOLVED, That we encourage all who employ these tools to do so in honest, transparent, and Christlike ways that focus on loving God and loving
    our neighbor as ourselves, never seeking to willfully deceive others or take advantage of them for unjust gain or the accumulation of power; and
    be it finally
    RESOLVED, That we confess that God alone has the power to create life, that “God, in His own time and in His own way, will bring the world to its
    appropriate end” (Baptist Faith and Message, Article X), and that no innovation or emerging technology will ever be able to usurp the sovereignty
    and power of God.

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  • Ric Robinson
    Ric Robinson Member Posts: 6 ✭✭

    Although not a SBCer myself. Kudos for their well-thought-out and sane response to AI, choosing to look at the Word of God instead of jumping on the cultural bandwagon and perpetuating a narrative of fear around AI. The existing technology is amoral, even if it can "mimic" human behavior, like ChatGPT. The development or use of technology can be helpful (morally good) or harmful (morally evil). We need to be discerning, which I think was part of the SBC resolution. I don't think anyone should accept a technology before weighing the benefits against the risks. As new technologies arise, and they will, we need to understand the benefits and dangers before judging their suitability.

    Back to ChatGPT

    Even though ChatGPT seems to be a catchall and target for all things AI, the truth is that AI apps for both good and bad uses have been around for a decade or so. It is sad - that both the government and private citizens are just now becoming aware of AI. We are way behind the curve in understanding it and have chosen to focus on only one or two of its dangers. This is not surprising because, historically, the need for government regulation of a technology is often years behind. We continue to put up with email and phone spam technology year after year without seeing any effective government regulation to reduce or stop it. Anyone using Google, Facebook, Spotify, Alexis, Cantona, and the list goes on and on is using an app that interfaces with AI. By my count, I am up to at least 400 AI apps using AI. AI is already heavily integrated into social media and non-social media apps. Please check it out yourself. I digress. I apologize.

    Suppose LOGOS adopts AI to up their game in content retrieval from their libraries, and they use their own proprietary AI app that they configure and maintain. They should not have to be concerned about using AI programming. Again it goes back to the development and use of the technology.

    In case you are wondering. This response was generated by ChatGPT - NOT!!!! But I did use Grammarly, and if you guessed correctly, Grammarly uses AI.

  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭

    Although not a SBCer myself. Kudos for their well-thought-out and sane response to AI, choosing to look at the Word of God instead of jumping on the cultural bandwagon and perpetuating a narrative of fear around AI. The existing technology is amoral, even if it can "mimic" human behavior, like ChatGPT. The development or use of technology can be helpful (morally good) or harmful (morally evil). We need to be discerning, which I think was part of the SBC resolution. I don't think anyone should accept a technology before weighing the benefits against the risks. As new technologies arise, and they will, we need to understand the benefits and dangers before judging their suitability.

    Back to ChatGPT

    Even though ChatGPT seems to be a catchall and target for all things AI, the truth is that AI apps for both good and bad uses have been around for a decade or so. It is sad - that both the government and private citizens are just now becoming aware of AI. We are way behind the curve in understanding it and have chosen to focus on only one or two of its dangers. This is not surprising because, historically, the need for government regulation of a technology is often years behind. We continue to put up with email and phone spam technology year after year without seeing any effective government regulation to reduce or stop it. Anyone using Google, Facebook, Spotify, Alexis, Cantona, and the list goes on and on is using an app that interfaces with AI. By my count, I am up to at least 400 AI apps using AI. AI is already heavily integrated into social media and non-social media apps. Please check it out yourself. I digress. I apologize.

    Suppose LOGOS adopts AI to up their game in content retrieval from their libraries, and they use their own proprietary AI app that they configure and maintain. They should not have to be concerned about using AI programming. Again it goes back to the development and use of the technology.

    In case you are wondering. This response was generated by ChatGPT - NOT!!!! But I did use Grammarly, and if you guessed correctly, Grammarly uses AI.

    OH I fully expect AI is more deeply integrated into our lives than we'd expect. This mac I'm writing on has a chip with a neural engine built in. AI will most likely be an increasingly obvious part of life going forward. The genie is out of the proverbial bottle. Hopefully we use it in good ways.

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  • Mal Walker
    Mal Walker Member Posts: 403 ✭✭✭

    What's your source for the SBC Resolution @abondservant? I've found a couple of news articles but haven't been able to see the full resolution.

    Current MDiv student at Trinity Theological College - Perth, Western Australia

  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭

    While watching the convention in the acts2 app, I saw a QR code on the convention screen, paused, scanned it, and got the link to the paper they give out at the convention which had all the resolutions on it. I'll see if I can find the link and see if it's still up. 


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  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What's your source for the SBC Resolution @abondservant? I've found a couple of news articles but haven't been able to see the full resolution.

    While watching the convention in the acts2 app, I saw a QR code on the convention screen, paused, scanned it, and got the link to the paper they give out at the convention which had all the resolutions on it. I'll see if I can find the link and see if it's still up. 

    It's here. I just did a Google search for "ON ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES" and restricted the results to the past week. Bingo!

    https://thebaptistpaper.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/SBC-Resolutions-adopted-June-13-2023.pdf 

  • Mal Walker
    Mal Walker Member Posts: 403 ✭✭✭

    Wonderful, thanks guys! What an incredible time in church history God has placed us. It's exciting to see everyone thinking through this stuff, from this little forum post to denominational conventions!

    Current MDiv student at Trinity Theological College - Perth, Western Australia

  • Russ White
    Russ White Member Posts: 564 ✭✭

    Only if you want false information fed to you while studying the scriptures ... If I could not turn this off, it would actually dissuade me from purchasing further Logos resources.

  • Russ White
    Russ White Member Posts: 564 ✭✭

    Only if you want false information fed to you while studying the scriptures ... If I could not turn this off, it would actually dissuade me from purchasing further Logos resources.

  • Brian Wilkie
    Brian Wilkie Member Posts: 13 ✭✭

    I think one obvious possibility is internal proofing of texts. I've been finding lots of typos in the "Nicene and Post Nicene Fathers" and I am able to confirm the correct reading from both the html text and the image scans of the Ethereal Christian Library.  An AI driven comparison of multiple formats could do a good job of eliminating false positives that are due to formatting or other specious differences. Alas, since the Logos versions of resources are not public, I can't try this at home, either with CHatGPT or simpler comparison software.

  • A Reformed
    A Reformed Member Posts: 89 ✭✭✭

    Only if you want false information fed to you while studying the scriptures ... If I could not turn this off, it would actually dissuade me from purchasing further Logos resources.

    Same here. And I'm taken back at how everyone is clamoring for this new tower of Babel to be constructed.

    Knowing how riddled with errors AI is everywhere, I'm not impressed; as I care to know who I am getting my information from, and it is not some lame aggregator that also haphazardly concocts "new" ideas.

    Needless to say, I don't want that anywhere near my Bible studies which is based on the pursuit of truth, and an endeavor to escape errors, while desperately trying not to introduce more errors.

    Should Logos throw in some junk AI engine, then I'm retreating back to some other Bible software with basic searches... even without the plethora of resources I have purchased already.

  • Wild Eagle
    Wild Eagle Member Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭

    "No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill