Official: You Can Now Get Early Access to the Next Version of Logos

How much will early access to Logos Pro cost?

Customers who own the Logos 10 Full Feature Set or subscribe to Faithlife Connect (excluding Starter and Mobile) can purchase the subscription for just $9.99/month. When Logos Pro launches in the fall with the other tiers of subscription, you’ll have the option to maintain your subscription to Logos Pro or switch to one of the other subscription tiers at a continued large discount.

Mark, I currently have Logos 10 Silver (full feature set except for the print library and translation features).  By what date do I have to upgrade to the full feature set in order to qualify for the discounted Logos Pro subscription rate?

How'd you get it for $4.99??   Cost me $9.99?????

It's possible that some of you might be offered a trial and others not because the marketing folks are running some tests right now.

What shouldn't happen is that the /early-access page says one thing, and then the billing page says something else, as Frank was experiencing. We fixed a bug that we thought would help with this earlier today, but we'll look again.

Does that mean we will all be offered a free trial?

So, I would like to follow up on my previous response to Mark's post. After giving this serious thought, I have moved away from my initial willingness to "try a subscription." As someone who has used  Logos for nearly a decade now and paid for each new release and the tools/features with each upgrade, I did so happily. Why? Because I love the software and what it is capable of... plus I was purchasing something I thought I would be able to own and use for the rest of my life and ministry. However, now I am seriously wondering if I was misguided.

I think Jim Dean's assessment is a fair critique:

"...from what I’ve understood from all that’s been communicated by Logos staff, in this thread and in emails, is that the decision they are still mulling over is whether to offer any further perpetual licenses to ANY non-AI features, at ALL, EVER.  I don’t think they are at a loss as to know HOW to sell them - that’s easy. They’ve been doing it for three decades. The features will already be IN the code that is ON the local PC.  I’m not sure people realize that. The subscription simply sends an unlock to tell the engine on the PC that the user is allowed to implement that feature for that day or month. 

Their decision is SOLELY related to their income projections.  Will they make more money by trapping users into permanent subscriptions, or lose more money by turning off customers who’ve been faithfully paying for years or decades.  The new and future customers that don’t have tens of thousands of dollars invested aren’t trapped - they can more easily choose to walk away, use other tools, whatever … without that prior investment being a factor. 

My point here is simple.  Logos doesn’t need help knowing HOW to offer both subscriptions AND the option for periodic perpetual license feature upgrade-purchases.  They just need to figure out which will make them more money. 

If their concern was to do the best for their customers, they would offer both and not force hundreds of thousands or millions of customers to make a difficult, unhappy choice, possibly feeling betrayed in the process. THAT would be the path of integrity. "

So, if any Faithlife/Logos staff are paying attention to what I am saying here, this is where I am: I really am beginning to consider how much longer I will be able to use Logos. I don't want to be forced to make the choice between owning vs. subscribing. Please don't force any of us to make that choice. Please, let us decide whether we want to purchase one-off, or subscribe. (If you are concerned about the cost of running AI, I get that. But there is another option: make the AI features a subscription that are an add-on service that can be rented.)

In the end, I think it comes down to this: If you don't let us continue to make that choice, and you decide to shift towards only having your software available as a rental/subscription type of software, I fear that my days as a Logos customer will be nearing an end. (Thank God I never off loaded my physical library.)

Don't get me wrong.... I am against "monthly payments of any kind"... don't like anything that I have to pay monthly for. I try to pay cash and if I don't have cash then I save until I do.... having said that... I subscribed to Logos Pro... (my wife questioned my sanity lol) but I like it. I like the new Search, I like the Summarize feature.... I like Sermon Assistant. But I think there are many like me, that don't like monthly payments. But I do think this is a way of the future. In my mind, you can blame Microsoft for starting all this monthly subscription stuff!! 

And I'm a thinking (maybe trying to convince myself or hoping) that the monthly subscription will be cheaper than "buying the updates" every two years... AND I do understand the monthly income will definitely help Logos in the process. Maybe a win for me and a win for Logos??

I am also thinking... it was probably Mark Barnes that came up with this idea  .... (sounds about right to me)... and I am a fan of Mark Barnes. Since he became Product Manager of Tools (I think that's his title)... I have seen good things in Logos. 

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I own Logos 10 Full Features and base packages.  Would it be better for me yo cancel FL Connect No Library and just go ahead and subscribe to Logos Pro? Other than the free 3 ebooks, 25% off a Lexham Press purchase and 2% cash back, what else would I lose or gain?

In this specific case, I think you're OK with canceling and getting Pro if that's what you'd like to do. You will lose all the perks you mentioned, plus any more perks that you didn't mention. Are Mobile Ed courses part of Connect No Library? I think they may be. If so, you'd lose those, too.

For others with similar questions, I'm only giving this answer because DAL says

1. they already own the Logos 10 Full Feature Set, so they won't lose any features
2. they have the "No Library" version of Connect, so they won't lose any books
3. they understand they'll lose the perks, and they're OK with that

In all other circumstances, we recommend sticking with Connect until we announce a migration plan.

My Logos Now expires May 17. I have the full feature set already, i.e., could switch to Logos Pro. Still, I don't know what to do on May 17. I would love to have the AI features of Logos Pro but don't want to pay for 2 subscriptions, especially as Logos Pro contains only 5 books that I don't already own.

Here is my usage of the Logos Now features (list is taken from another post):

• ongoing updates and upgrades to the latest Logos feature sets
• Yes, I am glad for this.
• 3 eBooks monthly from faithlife classics
• No more benefit to me
• 2 mobile ed courses annually at 180 day temporary licence
• No more benefit to me
• 25% off Lexham resource per month
• I have used this occasionally
• Special deals on selected resources
• No more benefit to me
• 2% return the following year on what I purchased
• This has been the main benefit for me. However, as the credit is awarded in February, I don't think I will subscribe to Logos Now and Logos Pro until Feb 2025. I assume I will drop Logos Now before then, i.e., I will likely no longer benefit from it.
• Faithlife TV (which I do watch and have benefitted from!)
• I have used this occasionally, but as I haven't noticed any updates in the last few years, I don't use it anymore. But elsewhere here in the forum, FL stated that FL TV might be revived.

The last point in Mark's recommendation is what makes me hesitant. If I switch to Logos Pro, will I still get 

• ongoing updates and upgrades to the latest Logos feature sets (I assume this is the case)
• 25% off Lexham resource per month
• 2% return the following year on what I purchased
• Faithlife TV

Is there any recommendation from FL for me?

Armin

For those who like subscriptions this sounds great, early access to new features et al. However I would be very sorry to see the end of the two yearly option to buy the full feature sets as they stand at that time.

Bulking up my library is not what I am looking for anymore but would like to keep my Logos features regularly updated (even if it is every two years), can we be assured that you will not be looking to end this option, even if you are leaning heavily to subscription based feature sets.

For myself at least, a subscription only service would end any future payments.

Don't get me wrong.... I am against "monthly payments of any kind"... don't like anything that I have to pay monthly for. I try to pay cash and if I don't have cash then I save until I do.... having said that... I subscribed to Logos Pro... (my wife questioned my sanity lol) but I like it. I like the new Search, I like the Summarize feature.... I like Sermon Assistant. But I think there are many like me, that don't like monthly payments. But I do think this is a way of the future. In my mind, you can blame Microsoft for starting all this monthly subscription stuff!! 

And I'm a thinking (maybe trying to convince myself or hoping) that the monthly subscription will be cheaper than "buying the updates" every two years... AND I do understand the monthly income will definitely help Logos in the process. Maybe a win for me and a win for Logos??

I am also thinking... it was probably Mark Barnes that came up with this idea  .... (sounds about right to me)... and I am a fan of Mark Barnes. Since he became Product Manager of Tools (I think that's his title)... I have seen good things in Logos. 

I too am completely against subscriptions and will cease purchases and also will no longer "sell" Logos Bible Software as I have done through the years without credit. No more training on the features Logos can bring to personal study, etc. As a silent sales partner that never sought recognition - a couple dozen or more users were sold on Logos - no longer in the plan for me, as long as subscription is the only option offered.

In relation to Microsoft, they have seen the error and are offering purchase options again.

I see the view you are trying to convince yourself in relation to the subscription being cheaper than buying, only issue is without a drastic change of direction from Faithlife - all those monthly subscription payments leave you with nothing once you stop paying....

Bulking up my library is not what I am looking for anymore but would like to keep my Logos features regularly updated (even if it is every two years), can we be assured that you will not be looking to end this option

A two-year update is no longer favored but FL could provide an annual update.

Hi, Dave ...

I don't think "2 years" was the point of Mark's comment ... rather, it was the apparently widely shared desire to purchase perpetual license feature upgrades on a regular basis.

I'm unsure of what FL-communications you are basing your comment about "favored" - apparently you've gotten information that a two year cycle for permanent purchase upgrades has been rejected, but that annual upgrades of that type are still in the running.  If that's the case, please clarify where you got that information from.  It surprised me.

This is not what Dave is saying, and I hope we don't get a whole new wave of unfounded speculation on this. Logos has officially said that they are still working on the way forward.

It is not insider knowledge that the two-year cycle is not favored. From the first official post in this thread ...

We’re living in a period of significant technological change, and only a subscription model enables us to continuously release new features and improvements as soon as they are built. Many of you don’t want to wait up to two years for improvements that could significantly benefit your Bible study. Subscription also allows us to include AI features which we can’t offer with permanent licenses due to the significant ongoing costs and rapidly changing technology.

Logos subscriptions aren’t new. More than ten thousand people have been subscribing to Logos for nearly a decade. But we’re now embracing subscription for our software because doing so has five distinct advantages. 

1. New users can have much lower upfront costs and try Logos with much less commitment.
2. It allows us to continuously release new features and improvements as soon as they are built, rather than holding them back for a major release every two years. That’s especially important at a time of rapid technological change.
3. It allows us to include features like AI, which we can’t offer permanent licenses to because of the significant ongoing costs.
4. It’s a sustainable way of ensuring we can keep delivering improvements for decades to come.
5. Releasing early and often significantly shortens the feedback loop, enabling us to continually tweak our improvements to ensure they’re really solving the most important things for all our customers.

There are customers who don't want to wait two years for new features, and Logos wants to release new features as they are produced. From these statements, one can conclude, reasonably enough, that Logos no longer favors the two-year cycle. It is not insider knowledge.

I have signed up for the trial of Logos Pro, and am still in the trial period. My question is this: if I continue, and commence paying $9.99US for a period of time, say for two years, what will happen if I discontinue my subscription? Will my installation revert to where it was when I began to subscribe? Will the end-result then be different from my saving up the $9.99US per month, and upgrading (like I have done in the past)? 

If you stop the subscription, everything will stop with the subscription.

For those who want to get any new features and are happy to pay a subscription to get them, all well and good. This has been going on for some time now; but can we be assured the option to own what we pay for is still going to be an option, whether it be two yearly, once a year or even every six months.

My point is that I can buy what I want or not, not to subscribe to stuff I have no interest in. Which is the reason I always upgrade to the new feature sets providing they offer something I want.

I have spent many thousands of dollars on Logos packages and books and am happy with my purchase of Logos 10 Portfolio.  Along with my packages I have added hundreds of additional books.  I would continue to buy upgrades and feature additions when they arrive, though I am now concerned about the future direction of the company.  I only need updates to fix flaws or vulnerabilities and to capably run on future OS upgrades.  I find value in what I have now, but of course would be willing to buy future packages if there are useful new features.

I am not opposed to AI via subscription if that is the only viable model, but I do not need the AI features.  I have been trialing the new AI features for the past few weeks and at this point have found them very underwhelming and not worth $10 a month for my use.  If others find them useful that is great.  Likewise the additional books are of almost no value to me.  

FL is not my company so they can and will do what they think is best for them.  Generally I avoid subscriptions when possible, but do have a few of them for what I consider essential services like online backup and storage, password managers, etc.  I do not consider this subscription essential or of value equaling $10 per month.  It is possible this may change in the future.  I much prefer to buy a program with a perpetual license even if in the long run it costs more than a subscription.  

I have been disheartened by this whole conversation; perhaps improperly.  If there is a Logos 11 with perpetual license I will almost certainly buy it.  It is highly unlikely I will continue a subscription and I am concerned with the uncertainly this has created consequently I am now hesitant to spend money on additional books going forward.

... what will happen if I discontinue my subscription? Will my installation revert to where it was when I began to subscribe? Will the end-result then be different from my saving up the $9.99US per month, and upgrading (like I have done in the past)? 

After the two years you would revert / fall back to where you were before the subscription period.

The end result will be different in that there may perhaps not be an option to purchase an upgrade feature set as was in the past ... the current marketing strategy for new features seems to be via subscription only and no feature sets for purchase. There have been comments by Faithlife/Logos staff that some consideration is given to suggestions for reconsidering and amending the subscription model with a different "fall back" solution

Also, the $9.99 is only a special offer for now for users who own the L10 full feature set, the more final pricing after the subscription model with several tiers has not been mentioned.

the $9.99 is only a special offer for now for users who own the L10 full feature set,

Also to Logos connect subscribers.