NEW FEATURE: Bible Study Builder
*This feature requires a license to access it. Please join this Faithlife group if you'd like to participate in testing Bible Study Builder.*
The Bible Study Builder allows you to craft personalized Bible studies with ease using your Logos library and intuitive AI-driven questions. Simply type in a Bible reference into the search box in the left sidebar (click Add Questions at the top left to open and close the question sidebar) and select a question from published study guides or utilize AI to generate thought-provoking questions.
From there, you can move questions into your Bible Study document, reorder them, edit them to reword them, and add your own questions, notes, or additional text or headings. At the end of this process, the output can be shared or exported. Editing can be done online and offline. This feature is available on the desktop app, web app and mobile app: iOS and Android – phones, tablets, and iPads.
Let us know what you think about the Bible Study Builder in the comments below!
Ali Pope | Logos Desktop and Mobile Program Manager
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Does the selection of resources questions come from respect prioritization? Does it exclude books in the cloud?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Does the selection of resources questions come from respect prioritization? Does it exclude books in the cloud?
It does not currently respect prioritization. For a given range, it might be that your highest prioritized Bible Study happens to have one question on a passage, whereas other books have many questions. For that reason, we currently order by the number of questions found. We are interested in more feedback on this, though.
BSB includes Cloud resources.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
For that reason, we currently order by the number of questions found.
Unfortunately for me, that in effect means two resources that I am rarely interested in are almost always first. I have no interest in questions of the type that asks how the student reacts in the situation - although I am interested in similar questions when visualizing the original setting. I'd rather have 1 useful question than 40 I can imagine using.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Is there a list of the books that have been indexed for the question database?
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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The question database refers to a different function - sentence related; the answer database Andrew provided a screen shot because the documentation was not released; the questions for BSB in theory are anything that (a) have a Bible index and (b) has an input field. Unfortunately, Kyle and I found that is not true this afternoon. Some books are structured so the questions lack the milestones - Kyle is adding these books to his work queue. I don't know the details to find these but I just found some Utley books fall into that category. I've spent about 7 hours today tracking down the problems as I had provided Phil Gons a file of nearly 2000 potential sources a couple of years ago. I've not done a good job of keeping that particular coding up because Logos was taking over the function, for the most part.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
The question database refers to a different function - sentence related; the answer database Andrew provided a screen shot because the documentation was not released; the questions for BSB in theory are anything that (a) have a Bible index and (b) has an input field. Unfortunately, Kyle and I found that is not true this afternoon. Some books are structured so the questions lack the milestones - Kyle is adding these books to his work queue. I don't know the details to find these but I just found some Utley books fall into that category. I've spent about 7 hours today tracking down the problems as I had provided Phil Gons a file of nearly 2000 potential sources a couple of years ago. I've not done a good job of keeping that particular coding up because Logos was taking over the function, for the most part.
Understand. Having a list somewhere would allow others to discover books that are not indexed.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Very nice tool!
BUG #1: I tried it on 1Sam 20:1-42. Under LessonMAKER, the different types of questions are all listed together. They should be listed under different collapsible subheadings such as Open It, Explore It, Get It, Apply It. Other resources provide the subheadings in the BSB.
BUG #2: I entered John 3:16. The several resources in the BSB that are labeled "John" should say "John - DIY Jn", "John -- HNTC Jn" etc.
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Mark Smith said:
Understand. Having a list somewhere would allow others to discover books that are not indexed.
Maybe we can get a list out of Kyle ... it would certainly help us help him.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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The concept is really cool, and I think it will be a valuable part of my workflow in a few iterations, but the implementation has a lot of quirks.
Not being able to drag and drop questions is clunky, and not being able to right-click blocks in the editor to delete them is bizarre. I also don't understand why it doesn't have the full-text editing capability of the sermon editor (no highlighting or changing text color). Dragging and dropping text into the Bible Study makes it a response to the question instead of something like a clipping. I would want it to at least take prioritization into account with some weighting, if not following it strictly. Maybe even a thumbs up/thumbs down button where we can train it to prioritize certain series within the specific tool.Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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It would be great I you could combine this tool with the translation tool!
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Justin Gatlin said:
Not being able to drag and drop questions is clunky,
Are you referring to dragging/dropping a question from the sidebar into the Bible Study? Or dragging/dropping (reordering) question blocks within the Bible Study?
Justin Gatlin said:Dragging and dropping text into the Bible Study makes it a response to the question instead of something like a clipping.
What text are you dragging and dropping into the Bible Study?
Thank you for the other pieces of feedback. We're tracking all of your suggestions and will consider them for future iterations.
Ali Pope | Logos Desktop and Mobile Program Manager
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I can provide something like that. Right now there are about 1000 resources so it might be distributed as a publicly available Google doc.Mark Smith said:Is there a list of the books that have been indexed for the question database?
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Kyle G. Anderson said:
I can provide something like that. Right now there are about 1000 resources so it might be distributed as a publicly available Google doc.
That would be fine.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Ali, thanks for this update.
This first bullet should be stated at the top, otherwise users go straight to Logos and start searching for this feature, only to get frustrated not finding it.
- This feature requires a license to access it. Please join this Faithlife group if you'd like to participate in testing Bible Study Builder.
- But for our new members to Logos you have skipped several steps for more visual learners. Simply type in a Bible reference Where? Where does one type this? Seems obvious but new Logos users may not know where to click to start typing.
Thanks for your help.
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Garrell Calton said:
- This feature requires a license to access it. Please join this Faithlife group if you'd like to participate in testing Bible Study Builder.
- But for our new members to Logos you have skipped several steps for more visual learners. Simply type in a Bible reference Where? Where does one type this? Seems obvious but new Logos users may not know where to click to start typing.
Thanks for your suggestions, Garrell. I've updated my post to reflect them.
Ali Pope | Logos Desktop and Mobile Program Manager
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PL said:
BUG #1: I tried it on 1Sam 20:1-42. Under LessonMAKER, the different types of questions are all listed together. They should be listed under different collapsible subheadings such as Open It, Explore It, Get It, Apply It. Other resources provide the subheadings in the BSB.
BUG #2: I entered John 3:16. The several resources in the BSB that are labeled "John" should say "John - DIY Jn", "John -- HNTC Jn" etc.
These aren't technically bugs, though they are great suggestions. I've noted them (as I have with all other suggestions) for future iterations.
Ali Pope | Logos Desktop and Mobile Program Manager
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Thanks Ali. I personally find it hard to use now, with the large number of uncategorized questions from the (excellent) LessonMAKER resource, and with the several undistinguished set of John questions.
The former can be worked around by clicking on the LessonMAKER link and opening the resource itself. The latter can be worked around by a mouse hover, so I understand these are not high priority issues.
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Ali Pope said:
Let us know what you think about the Bible Study Builder in the comments below!
Since I did not follow these directions which were posted later than my initial reactions, here are the "out of place" comments:
- Question noise in BSB - Logos Forums
- SUGGESTION re: questions from resources in BSB - Logos Forums
- 2 Suggestions to improve Bible Study Builder - Logos Forums
- Copyright concerns regarding Bible study builder - Logos Forums
- Simple AI tweak to make the Bible Study Builder tower over competitors - Logos Forums
- BUGS: Two errors in Bible Study Builder - Logos Forums
- BUGGISH behavior on multipart questions - Logos Forums
- Book production issue: Max Lucado - Logos Forums
- Comments on new Bible Study document - Logos Forums
- Data issues re: questions - Logos Forums
- BUG: Missing information on actual biblical reference - Logos Forums CRITICAL
- DATA ISSUE: Bible study builder makes bad assumption about tagging - Logos Forums
- BUG? Indexed with input boxes but not picked up in - Logos Forums
- Comments on new Bible study document (which I don't expect to use) - Logos Forums
- BUG: Exegetical summaries missing from answers dataset - Logos Forums
- Pick Up Where I Left Off/Bible Study Builder--5 stars - Logos Forums
- Bible Study Questions for Hebrews 2:7-9 (Verbum 37 B1) - Logos Forums
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I must be missing something obvious:
How do I remove a question or "block" item on the right side of the BSB? I don't seem to find a "Delete" option anywhere...
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PL said:
I must be missing something obvious:
How do I remove a question or "block" item on the right side of the BSB? I don't seem to find a "Delete" option anywhere...
We've had that feedback from others, and we're going to make it easier. Right now, treat the question as if it were a paragraph in Microsoft Word. That is, selected the question and note text, and press delete on your keyboard. If you're left with an empty question, press delete again.
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A few other irritations as I have tried to use this tool. I think it is the best example of a great idea with counter-intuitive execution since the fuzzy Bible search. Hopefully it will similarly improve over time.
1.) As others have mentioned, the delete behavior is poorly designed. At minimum, I should be able to right-click and delete or add a block.
2.) I understand from a business perspective why the Sermon Builder and Bible Study Builder are separate since they are in separate tiers. However, the inability to create slides or even paste images into the Bible Study builder is a serious problem. The Bible Study builder should be available as a standalone tool like it is now, but it should also be incorporated into the questions section of the sermon builder so we can create notes, handouts, and slides in one tool.
3.) Copying and pasting content from a book creates two blocks, one for the quote and one for the citation. That's dumb. It should create one block with the citation built-in or; even better, create a footnote block at the bottom where I can also see what resources the questions came from. I should also be able to highlight a block of text and drag it straight to the Bible Study builder without copying and pasting.
4.) As I mentioned earlier, it is also not intuitive to click the arrow to send a question from the question list to the document and then drag it where I want it. I should be able to pull it straight from the list of questions to a particular place in the document and have it create the block there.
5.) The Bible study tool should have a manager like the sermon editor so that you can find ones you have worked on recently and attach dates to them. Someone leading a small group has a schedule and may want to work ahead. Without the ability to assign and interact with metadata, you have to resort to unwieldy things like putting dates in the file name.
6.) Bible study content is not indexed for docs searching. That's a huge wasted opportunity. The whole point of Logos is having all of your content accessible and interconnected.Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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Justin Gatlin said:
As others have mentioned, the delete behavior is poorly designed. At minimum, I should be able to right-click and delete or add a block.
Justin Gatlin said:I should be able to pull it straight from the list of questions to a particular place in the document and have it create the block there.
Easier delete and drag/drop are both coming, but it's unlikely they'll make v37.
Justin Gatlin said:Bible study content is not indexed for docs searching.
This will be fixed. I'm not sure whether it will make v37 or have to wait for v38.
Thanks for the other suggestions. Some of them were things we discussed internally and guessed might be useful to some. Others are new ideas. We're keen to hear of all suggestions for improvement. Subscription allows us to improve tools over time, and we plan to do that with Bible Study Builder.
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Mark,
The concept behind the Bible Study Tool (building blocks, adding headers etc.) is very promising for making extensive annotations for Bible Study / Preparation of Lectures. I hope we will see something like this in the (near) future!
Hans
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I've been using the Bible Study Builder for a few weeks, and found it to be useful. I'll probably move my old Bible study writing workflow across.
There are a couple of things that would be nice to have:
- Use of templates. Similar to a sermon, I have categories of questions I use each time. For the moment I have set up a Bible Study called template that I copy and paste.
- The ability to add subquestions. I have a question then might want to follow up afterwards. Being able to nest questions under others would make that work easier. Currently I add them as a note under the question.
Excited to see where this goes!
PS - will there be a nicer way of viewing the finished documents on a mobile device? Currently opening in edit mode means the text is small and potential to overwrite things is high!
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I love the concept, and plan to use it!
Major red flag: Most of the questions come from published works (not AI), yet I can't find any citations for the questions. It seems like this new tool is not merely enabling plagiarism, but actively encouraging it, and making it difficult to avoid.Am I missing something?
If not, is there any way footnotes with sources could be added to the bottom? There's such an epidemic of plagiarism in Biblical study and sermons, I'd love to see Logos pushing back!0 -
Dru Lattin said:
I love the concept, and plan to use it!
Major red flag: Most of the questions come from published works (not AI), yet I can't find any citations for the questions. It seems like this new tool is not merely enabling plagiarism, but actively encouraging it, and making it difficult to avoid.Am I missing something?
If not, is there any way footnotes with sources could be added to the bottom? There's such an epidemic of plagiarism in Biblical study and sermons, I'd love to see Logos pushing back!One example of how this can be done: When I copy and paste from a commentary or Scripture into the BSB, it includes citation. Why not include this in questions? Again, I think it'd be better as an endnote, but it'd be a start.
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Dru Lattin said:
Major red flag: Most of the questions come from published works (not AI), yet I can't find any citations for the questions. It seems like this new tool is not merely enabling plagiarism, but actively encouraging it, and making it difficult to avoid.
M.J. had posted similar concerns but no response yet from Logos.
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Yasmin Stephen said:Dru Lattin said:
Major red flag: Most of the questions come from published works (not AI), yet I can't find any citations for the questions. It seems like this new tool is not merely enabling plagiarism, but actively encouraging it, and making it difficult to avoid.
M.J. had posted similar concerns but no response yet from Logos.
Thanks! I've followed up on that thread as well.
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Dave Couch said:
PS - will there be a nicer way of viewing the finished documents on a mobile device? Currently opening in edit mode means the text is small and potential to overwrite things is high!
documents.logos.com now lets you view Bible studies.
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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Kyle G. Anderson said:
I can provide something like that. Right now there are about 1000 resources so it might be distributed as a publicly available Google doc.Mark Smith said:Is there a list of the books that have been indexed for the question database?
Has the document with the list of 1000 resources indexed for use with the Bible Study Builder been made available? Thanks.
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