a question from an Accordance User

@Rick Mansfield (Logos) Floating windows in Logos appear to be very similar to Workspaces in Accordance. I think former Accordance users would really appreciate learning how these work.

Edit: wrong click & can't delete the empty post /edit

Not exactly alike, but probably workable for those who want to do it. I have NT, OT, Patristic, etc. workspaces in Accordance that I can open and close at any time, in any order, and any combination and duplicated number. A HUGE floating windows "workspace" in Logos could encompass all of my Accordance "workspaces," but would not be as easy and nice as choosing which portion, and when, one would want to open and close various portions to stay focused. Nice to know the possible workaround, even so.

I made a suggestion you can vote for

Hi @Justin Gatlin,

I think you are for sure correct that there needs to be options, but your two options of "clear workspace and open layout" or "open this layout in a floating window" both ultimately leave the user with only one fundamental layout open. While I am gathering that the floating windows are thankfully far more powerful than I realized, the floating windows are still connected to the layout that they are floating in. Yet when I have multiple workspaces open in Accordance, all my workspaces are addressing different topics and it would be disorganized for them to be connected with one floating in another. So I think in addition to the ideas you listed, there really needs to be a third option to simply open another layout without closing or modifying the one which is open.

On a side note, I wasn't really sure if I should make this comment here or on the thread post, so if I should comment something like this there, please let me know.

I don't think I understand. You can have floating windows addressing different topics. And I'm not sure what you mean by "one floating in another." Could you elaborate on that?

I voted for Justin's suggestion. Basically, it's the same one as at Logos4, and Steve (up in heaven) trying to piece together a workaround (right-clicking a series of favorites into a floating window, etc).

I'm not sure how just any layout can fit into a floating window. In theory, there'd have to be a single window layout. Or the process quickly becomes complicated (since, as Kristin points out, it's still one layout).

And layouts can conflict with each other (eg linking assignments, and so on). Currently Text Comparisons impact each other.

I can understand Kristin's point. The 'main' window does stuff that other windows can't. Which means you're always going back to the main window for this and that. That's why, in my super-layout, the main window has all the tools. And I keep the main window size a smudge larger than the other windows, so I can see it and quickly click on it (no searching for it).

It sounds like the solution to your workflow would be for Logos to allow for multiple layouts to be viewed at the same time.

Kristin, have you tried playing with the floating windows in the free version of Logos? It really is just like having an additional monitor, just stacked on or beneath your current one. The only difference in the main window and the others is that only one has the tookbar that opens guides, documents, etc. Nesting them would not make them connected to each other, assuming that link sets iterate so new ones take unused letters and don't become connected to the letters in your existing layout.

Denise, I assume link sets would behave like I suggested above to Kristin. But I didn't think about things like "send links here." I feel like I would expect the original layout to take precedence over the ones you are adding. But I also wouldn't want them to be completely isolated. I would expect to have link sets and send links work across the modules if I wanted them to.

I don't know why floating windows can't have the main toolbar toggled on or off but since I never have more than 4 windows open (2 monitors, 2 windows deep) it has never come up as a concern for me.

Like 'u'? My big layout uses up the links.

As complicated as layouts are now, I have my doubts (smiling).

I accidentally hit post too soon and then edited it. But you caught me before I finished!

What you describe (having to re-work links) is pretty much the problem with the right-click favorites work around (or for that matter, right-click library selections). Setting the links each time. But I might be over-thinking-ish.

Not being negative, but the possible complexity, and once-every-few-years discussion doesn't sound too favorable to the feature.

Hi @Mark Allison, regarding your comment, “I don't think I understand. You can have floating windows addressing different topics. And I'm not sure what you mean by "one floating in another." Could you elaborate on that?” It is in part what @DMB clarified saying “The 'main' window does stuff that other windows can't. Which means you're always going back to the main window for this and that.” Additionally though, I often have multiple very unrelated Accordance Workspaces open at the same time. Not only does Logos require all the floating windows to be attached to a layout, but having all the floating windows connected to one layout would put fundamentally unrelated topics together. 

As a simple example, if I want my Mark class Workspace (which I use with students) and my Ugaritic Workspace open (which I do not use with students), to see one on one side of my screen, and one on the other, in Logos these unrelated topics HAVE to be connected, with my Mark layout as a floating window in my Ugaritic layout, or visa versa. I truly don’t want these to layouts connected in anyway, but I need them to both be open. (As everyone knows by now, I normally have multiple Accordance workspaces open at the same time, all of which are intended to be segregated, since if they were intended to be connected, obviously I would just have them as tabs or independent sections of one Workspace, which can easily be done in Accordance.) 

Like you said, “It sounds like the solution to your workflow would be for Logos to allow for multiple layouts to be viewed at the same time.” I think this is the only true solution.

@Justin Gatlin, when you said “Kristin, have you tried playing with the floating windows in the free version of Logos? It really is just like having an additional monitor, just stacked on or beneath your current one. The only difference in the main window and the others is that only one has the tookbar that opens guides, documents, etc. Nesting them would not make them connected to each other, assuming that link sets iterate so new ones take unused letters and don't become connected to the letters in your existing layout.” Going back to my Ugaritic layout and Mark layout example, if I open one of these as a layout, and then open the other as a floating window, the other topic is now inherently connected being one layout. (On a side note, I am not on the free version, I have the full-fledged v.10 version which I bought specifically to make sure I could buy it before subscriptions came with the next version, as I really dislike subscriptions, enough to prevent me from using something with subscriptions).

@Kristin A temporary solution might be to add keyboard shortcuts to your layouts so that you can quickly cycle between them. It's what I do.

Hi @Mark Allison ,

Could you clarify this? Your comment makes it sound like Stage Manager on Mac where all the layouts are actually open, but in reality in Logos, the multiple layouts are all closed, and the only one which is open at a time is the on you are actively looking at. Correct?

Also, I have class soon, but really quickly, is there a way to view more than one layout at a time in the actual program? Is there a way to have my Mark layout and Ugaritic layout open at the same time with this key combination?

No, you can't view them at the same time. You have to toggle between them with a keyboard shortcut. Not ideal, but probably the best you'll be able to do until Logos allows multiple layouts to be displayed simultaneously (I'm making that a feature request now).

https://community.logos.com/discussion/244753/feature-request-allow-for-simultaneous-display-of-multiple-layouts/p1?new=1

Hi @Mark Allison ,

Thank you for adding that as a feature request!! For sure needed, and the number one reason why I can't leave Accordance.

Btw, on the old forum it would show the people who had voted. When I went to your link I saw two people had voted, but with the new forum the votes on polls are anonymous. Is that correct?

Yeah, it looks like they're anonymous, and I don't see any way to change it.

Votes on polls are not anonymous unless the creator of the poll deems it to be so. However, votes on the new feedback system integrated into these forums appear indeed to be anonymous.

Leave a comment; put +1 in it.

Thanks @scooter, that's a great suggestion.

This seems to be becoming a regular practice. I posted today on an existing Accordance Forum thread. Within a couple of hours my post was deleted and the thread locked. Oh well.

Yes, that's one reason why I left Accordance, have sold off a large portion of my library, and deleted my forum account. I can live with a lot of things that aren't ideal if I know management cares and is working hard to make things better. But when it's clear they don't care and don't value me as a customer and a person, then I have no choice but to move on. I had almost 20 years of Accordance being my primary tool. I only open it recently to delete things I've sold.

@Robb Brunansky - May I ask how you sold your library? I might be interested in doing that myself.

I used Facebook marketplace.

Wow, another deleted thread with no response from management. This is why I love Logos so much despite missing some things from Accordance. We get regular communication from management here at Logos and they appreciate our feedback. So that is why I have left the Accordance forums and don't use it anymore and I am considering selling my Accordance and sticking with Logos. The more that I use Logos, the less that I miss Accordance. 😉

I agree. At this point the only thing I miss about Accordance is just nostalgic. Logos does everything I need it to do, and as I've been using it routinely I have found it does things Accordance doesn't that are really nice features to have, like reading plans. I made a quick video showing why Logos is superior to Accordance, in my opinion: https://youtu.be/YIU6MJR1xYc?si=LbRN9bQG3Vm6CEPh

This seems to be becoming a regular practice. I posted today on an existing Accordance Forum thread. Within a couple of hours my post was deleted and the thread locked. Oh well.

Hi @Jerry T ,

I noticed that too! :(

Yes, that's one reason why I left Accordance, have sold off a large portion of my library, and deleted my forum account. I can live with a lot of things that aren't ideal if I know management cares and is working hard to make things better. But when it's clear they don't care and don't value me as a customer and a person, then I have no choice but to move on. I had almost 20 years of Accordance being my primary tool. I only open it recently to delete things I've sold.

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Wow, another deleted thread with no response from management. This is why I love Logos so much despite missing some things from Accordance. We get regular communication from management here at Logos and they appreciate our feedback. So that is why I have left the Accordance forums and don't use it anymore and I am considering selling my Accordance and sticking with Logos. The more that I use Logos, the less that I miss Accordance. 😉

Hi @Robb Brunansky and @Brian Leathers,

I agree completely with the importance of customers being valued. Tbh, what has bothered me hasn't even been the lack of response from mgt, but rather a specific response I got from an employee (who I don't want to name here, and it's obvious anyway), was so out of touch, and made it so obvious that I'm not valued as a customer, that it caused me to come to similar views as the two of you. Given the situation, I am glad Logos has been such a good fit for you guys. So far I admit I still like the functions of Accordance better (both programs really excel at different tasks), but there are also a lot of things I really like, and Rick has assured me that highlights don't corrupt here. :)

At this point the only thing I miss about Accordance is just nostalgic. Logos does everything I need it to do, and as I've been using it routinely I have found it does things Accordance doesn't that are really nice features to have, like reading plans. I made a quick video showing why Logos is superior to Accordance, in my opinion:

While it is not nearly as important as the functionality of the software, another issue though to miss about Accordance is the lack of a message center. I know I have seen others complain about that too, so I hope they add it. Anyway, thank you for the video! I will check it out. :)

@Kristin what do you mean by a message center?

@Kristin what do you mean by a message center?

Hi @Robb Brunansky,

I am talking about the ability to send private messages

What is super weird is that if I google it, Logos does have this also from this help page: https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/17804430393869-Sending-Messages#h_eba8d1b0-4022-4434-ba46-b217536ee033

But if I go to my profile there isn't such an icon. Does Logos have a message portal and I'm just missing it?

I made a quick video showing why Logos is superior to Accordance, in my opinion

Hey Robb, thanks again for the video. :) I just finished watching it. I think you did a really good job comparing them from a pastoral perspective. Even before the 2 min mark you clarify this point, and I agree completely that Logos is better for pastoral work. I still think Accordance is far better for OL and (a lot of) scholarly work. So I think one program or the other is better for specific tasks.

Also, I am still on Acc 13 (I pre-ordered 14 for the features that were supposed to be there….) so it was interesting to see what the Acc Word Study looks like. (I had seen a webinar and decided I didn't need it, but that was awhile ago). Anyway, I was surprised that when you clicked "more" it opened BDAG as opposed to showing more lexicons. The Logos Word Study doesn't fit my particular needs, but I agree they do a far better job at it.

Likewise, I don't ever use the "Topic" function in the Acc Info Pane (I frankly forgot it was there), but I agree it was odd that it included "bishop" but not "overseer" in 1Tim 3:2. I even paused the video and went to check it in Accordance. So I don't need a Topic section either, but if I need to do intense OL work, I go to Accordance (since it is FAR easier), and if I want high quality summaries I go to Logos.

Your video did leave me with a question about Logos though. In 1Tim 3:2 around the 12:32 min mark in your video, you right clicked on ἐπίσκοπον and near the top was the Factbook and Bible Word Study. If I right click on it the only option is Text Comparison. Is that because I am on v.10? Or is there a way to change what appears when you right click? I will add a screenshot of what happens when I right click.

Kristin

Your video did leave me with a question about Logos though. In 1Tim 3:2 around the 12:32 min mark in your video, you right clicked on ἐπίσκοπον and near the top was the Factbook and Bible Word Study. If I right click on it the only option is Text Comparison. Is that because I am on v.10? Or is there a way to change what appears when you right click? I will add a screenshot of what happens when I right click.

you want to choose the "lemma symbol" instead of "selection".

you want to choose the "lemma symbol" instead of "selection".

Hi @Anon,

Thank you for your help and screenshot! :)

@Kristin wrote:

While it is not nearly as important as the functionality of the software, another issue though to miss about Accordance is the lack of a message center.

When feedback was solicited on whether to have a private message (or DM) function in this new platform, the decision was taken not to have that functionality for now. There were concerns about privacy and misuse.

I was on the side of the debate that advocated for it, as it is optional to use, and on some platforms, you can even disable the feature. The end user is in complete control.

My point was that, over all the years of being on many, many forums, even being an admin on some, I had never seen it be a problem. To the contrary, it is a safe way to build community further, without having to disclose your email address.

To circumvent this, on occasion, you may occasionally see people share their email addresses on this forum, which we all know is a really bad practice.

Anyhow, that's where things landed. It is possible to agree to send a user private messages (or DMs) through Faithlife groups. I have done it on occasion, and again, I have not seen any abuse or intrusion into my life through it.

There are some practical things, when it comes to Logos and original language studies, that I have wished for years could be improved. (i.e. the popup parsing window at the bottom of the screen is so small and hard to read) Accordance has a little button that you can increase or decrease the size of that text, and it makes all the difference of the world in the useability of that function.

With that said, there is some neuro science out there about how we bond to a software platform and the dynamics we go through when we change to something else. My impression of this is similar to the old paper Bible you have for many years and then you buy a new one, but you go through a period of adjustment… even though it may be the same version.

This is not to say that impact on cognitive processes and associated workflows are to be ignored, but it is much more than that, and why it is so hard. (there is also the practical issue of moving your content to another Bible software platform - repurchasing resources and/or migrating your generated content)

As an example, some years ago I decided to switch from Spotify to Apple Music. Same music, a very similar approach to streaming music, but I just struggled. For some reason I cannot now recall, I decided to allow my Spotify subscription lapse, and then three months later of using no streaming service, I picked up Apple on a special deal. That period of break made the change seem not so great, and I never looked back as I rebuilt my streaming library.

I think the same is true, whatever you decide to do with Bible software. It takes time to adjust, on top of some of the very real practical implications because the change is multi-dimensional and not easy. The struggle is real, and is not just brand loyalty.

I asked my good ole' friend Perpexity about this and it generated this content:

Neuroscience research provides insights into how we interact with and become attached to software applications we use daily, as well as the challenges we face when switching to new ones.

Bonding to Software Applications

1. Emotional Attachment: Users can develop emotional attachments to applications they use frequently. This attachment is influenced by the satisfaction of psychological needs such as autonomy, competence, and relatedness1.
2. Dopamine Release: Regular app use can trigger dopamine release in the brain, creating a pleasurable sensation that reinforces the habit of using the app2.
3. Cognitive Restructuring: Continuous satisfaction of users' needs through an app can lead to cognitive restructuring, where the app is perceived as part of the self1.

Challenges of Switching Applications

1. Task-Set Inertia: When switching to a new app, users may experience "task-set inertia," where residual activity in brain regions associated with the previous app interferes with performance on the new one3.
2. Cognitive Load: Switching between apps imposes a significant cognitive load on the brain, particularly on the prefrontal cortex responsible for decision-making and executive functions7.
3. Switch Cost: Each transition between apps requires mental effort, leading to slower response times, decreased accuracy, and higher error rates7.
4. Neural Activation: Task switching activates different brain areas, including the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex for planning and initiating tasks, and the anterior cingulate cortex for monitoring conflicts and errors7.
5. Age-Related Factors: Older adults may find app switching more challenging due to reduced connectivity between brain networks of attention, control, and memory6.

Barriers to Adopting New Applications

1. Fear of Change: Many users resist trying new apps due to comfort with their current methods, even if they're not fully satisfied8.
2. Feature Overload: New apps often come with numerous features that can overwhelm users, leading to cognitive overload and resistance to adoption8.
3. Inertia: Users' existing habits and familiarity with current apps can act as a mooring factor, regulating their willingness to switch to new applications5.
4. Task Complexity: The complexity of tasks performed on an app can influence users' willingness to switch. More complex tasks may increase the likelihood of app switching as users seek better tools to meet their needs5.

In conclusion, while we can form strong attachments to frequently used applications through emotional and cognitive processes, switching to new apps presents significant challenges due to the brain's preference for familiar patterns and the cognitive demands of adapting to new systems.

Citations:

1. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9070564/
2. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/brain-friendly-apps-how-neuroscience-can-shape-better-marco-baldocchi-oialf
3. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6675498/
4. https://uxdesign.cc/cognitive-overload-feature-discovery-in-mobile-ux-e0e5700e914c
5. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11591146/
6. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7075496/
7. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/myth-multitasking-insights-from-cognitive-robert-atkinson-i9mwc
8. https://www.42opinionz.com/why-it-is-difficult-to-change-apps/
9. https://www.speakerbus.com/blog/what-is-context-switching-and-how-to-reduce-its-impact
10. https://www.adaptconsultingcompany.com/2024/12/13/proposal-for-experiment-task-switching-and-cognitive-load/
11. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10505959/
12. https://www.reddit.com/r/neuroscience/comments/1flv4s1/essential_software_tools_for_neuroscience/
13. https://emildai.eu/love-loss-and-ai-emotional-attachment-to-machines/
14. https://moldstud.com/articles/p-the-influence-of-neuroscience-in-mobile-app-design
15. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9464703/
17. https://blog.pleexy.com/context-switching-is-hurting-your-productivity-and-brain-health-heres-what-you-can-do-about-it-5bdcebd1fd42
18. https://www.growthengineering.co.uk/cognitive-load-theory/
19. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-ii-existing-practical-applications-neuroscience-ai-dr-sarraf-
20. https://www.scientifica.uk.com/neurowire/best-mobile-apps-for-neuroscientists
21. https://thisisglance.com/blog/the-psychology-of-user-engagement-how-top-mobile-apps-hook-users

Answer from Perplexity: pplx.ai/share

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFjq7-CD6C8

Hi @Donovan R. Palmer,

Thanks for your detailed response, and I will respond in sections since you mentioned a lot of important points.

There are some practical things, when it comes to Logos and original language studies, that I have wished for years could be improved. (i.e. the popup parsing window at the bottom of the screen is so small and hard to read) Accordance has a little button that you can increase or decrease the size of that text, and it makes all the difference of the world in the useability of that function.

For sure! I know that Logos has the additional option to have the popup parsing to the right under "information" but there are really two issues. First, it is just easy to overlook since there are literally two different things called "Information" (from the three dots which provides copyright "Information," and from Tools which provides the parsing "Information"). So I think it would help if these two fundamentally different things were not called the same thing. Anyway, the other problem is that since it pops out as a column, it goes from being too small to large too the point of being obnoxious (literally eating a column of my screen). Likewise, since it has SO MUCH information, it takes a second to load, compared to the Accordance Instant Details which are truly instant.

With that said, there is some neuro science out there about how we bond to a software platform and the dynamics we go through when we change to something else. My impression of this is similar to the old paper Bible you have for many years and then you buy a new one, but you go through a period of adjustment… even though it may be the same version.

I think that is a good analogy, and when I first downloaded Logos that was my impression as well. However, the more I work with it, it has become pretty obvious that Logos in fact does excel in certain ways, and I would argue it is better for a lot of pastors. I would for sure recommend it to any pastor over Acc. However, that said, for original languages Accordance blows Logos out of the water. I am under the impression that I "can" do my work in Logos, however, I can say with certainty that I can do it faster and more efficiently in Accordance. I would argue this is not subjective either, since when it comes to original language tasks, Logos can take 3 or 4 steps when Accordance needs 1 or 2 steps. So done thousands of times a day, it really adds up. Likewise, Accordance is better set up for translators (imo), since when I import my User Bible, I literally just need to click import and I am done. By contrast, while I understand I can upload my text under the "Personal Book," in order to do so I need to litter it with all of this html to let Logos the BIBLE software company know it is a Bible and not a random other book. And frankly, my problem isn't the time it would take to add all the html, the problem is that after it is done, my text is now filled with html, which is obviously unacceptable since I use my text for other purposes. So the amount of steps OL work requires, and the User Bible vs PB issue, are reasons why it is objectively not simply an issue of it being like moving from a paper book. Again, it is simply that the two programs have different focuses (at least they did when I bought Accordance). Logos' Guides are a perfect example of this. Logos isn't claiming that these guides include EVERYTHING, they are claiming that the most important information is front and center and easy to find. I can see that as being crucial for a pastor, but a hindrance for a researcher.

As an example, some years ago I decided to switch from Spotify to Apple Music. Same music, a very similar approach to streaming music, but I just struggled. For some reason I cannot now recall, I decided to allow my Spotify subscription lapse, and then three months later of using no streaming service, I picked up Apple on a special deal. That period of break made the change seem not so great, and I never looked back as I rebuilt my streaming library.

I think this paragraph is a great example why Logos really needs a message center. I love music and listen to it whenever I can (24/7 when I can). Yet I don't use Spotify or Apple Music as I saw issues with both. If there was a message center I could send you a message and ask you about it (in line with your comment above about building community), but on this thread it would be too random and keeps everything more superficial. Like you mentioned above, with any normal message portal, if a user doesn't want to use it, they can simply disable it.

In conclusion, while we can form strong attachments to frequently used applications through emotional and cognitive processes, switching to new apps presents significant challenges due to the brain's preference for familiar patterns and the cognitive demands of adapting to new systems.

This is true. I also think the more I work with Logos the better it will be (without discounting the fact that I already know certain tasks I do are simply faster in Accordance). It also has been challenging since Logos really dropped the ball with training. Those Accordance webinars (which are not only free but you get a coupon!!), provided the opportunity to ask live questions which were helpful to the person asking and everyone there. By contrast, Logos, well, handles it differently. Additionally, any videos I find are from a pastoral perspective. For example, I think @Robb Brunansky's YouTube video he posted did a great job helping pastors get a good grip on how to do crucial tasks in both programs. However, the vast majority of those tasks are not things I do (like the Word Study or Topics as examples), and OL tasks I do every day are normally not in these types of videos. So I think the transition to even learn the software is more difficult for someone who does my type of work compared to a pastor, since there are simply more videos for pastors out there.

Great perspectives. I think it's fair to say that Logos tends to cater more to pastors than to researchers. However, I haven't been impressed with the recent pace of development over at Accordance. The day may come when Logos proves superior even for your purposes.

Great perspectives. I think it's fair to say that Logos tends to cater more to pastors than to researchers. However, I haven't been impressed with the recent pace of development over at Accordance. The day maycome when Logos proves superior even for your purposes.

Hi @Aaron Hamilton,

Thank you, and I for sure haven't been impressed with development over there either. I really hope that Logos improves things for my type of work as well. To be honest though, I don't feel super optimistic since their new "subscription" model seems kind of extreme. If I understand it correctly, any new version is just on this subscription thing, which I am passionately against. (I get that all companies want to squeeze money out of customers, but maybe a compromise would be to have subscriptions for things like the AI thing, but then not requiring a subscription for basic functionality (like improving the right click function of how to search for lemmas). When I originally called Logos' sales to get 10, I did so to avoid the subscription, and said this to the sales guy. The Logos sales rep strongly implied that the subscription model wasn't going to last and said that throughout the years Logos has tried various programs, and thought people would maintain the ability to buy versions outright. So I don't know enough about Logos' history to have any thoughts about that, other than to say I hope he is right.

Well, clicking on 'quote' for you, zoomed me way up the thread. Things really get fixed at Faithlife.

Anyway, hope you're right, but I doubt it (pastor/researcher). Gotta (a) feed the subscribers, and (b) look at growth markets. Those churches have bunches of pews.

Regarding philo for software, I use 4 Bible apps and the connect is inside each app. On Logos, I refuse to let go of my great layout. On Accordance, the good stuff. On BW the automation. On mine, well I just like the developer!

@Robb Brunansky just watched your video. Great stuff there!

A few things about library management… Tags are very helpful. Some are built in, but you can create them, too.

When pulling up your entire library, in the search field at the top, consider using headings like series:new international commentary (note no space after the colon) to pull up all your NICOT/NT volumes. When you want to see all of your titles by Thom Schreiner, type author:Schreiner.

If you've not taken the time to set up Collections, it's definitely worth your time. These are similar to Accordance "Groups" and come in handy especially for searching. I do almost all my searching in my personal library against Collections. Check out this video if you've not set any up yet.

And don't forget that you can drag books from you library to the sidebar and even create folders for frequently used titles or if you need a group handy for a class or project.

Well, clicking on 'quote' for you, zoomed me way up the thread. Things really get fixed at Faithlife.

Hi @DMB, In case it helps to know, I basically ignore the "quote" function for the reason you mentioned. Instead, click > and space, and then it creates that little gray bar and you can paste sections. (If it doesn't work, it is because Logos wants enough space above and below it. So If I press enter a few times it works, and then I can delete the spaces).

I do almost all my searching in my personal library against Collections. Check out this video if you've not set any up yet.

Hi @R. Mansfield,

Thank you for the video. :) I haven't messed with the collections yet, but I think it would be a good idea to do so. I used the Groups in Accordance a lot for text comparison in the "Text Browser," and maybe this will make research a little more organized in Logos.

Thanks, Kristin!

@Rick Mansfield (Logos)

I always love to see how people organise their library. I assume SCR5101 is a course number? (Curious minds want to know!)

Kristin, I know we had the lengthy thread about personal books. If you have some specific tasks that you do in Accordance which feel difficult or impossible in Logos, maybe it would be helpful to make a separate thread about each one. I'm sure that I or others would be happy to make some tutorial videos if there is a better way. I have a hard time keeping up with mega threads like these and am much better about engaging with single topic discussions.

Thanks Rick! I will watch the collections video. Honestly, Logos has so many features that it seems like I find something new every day. And due to ministry responsibilities, I don't always get to spend as much time fiddling with these new features to master them as I would like. But I am very much enjoying it so far, and even acclimating more to the library management in Logos. I think it has a steeper learning curve, at least for me, than the library management in Accordance. I understand the reasons for it, though, so it's worth spending time learning it.

If you have some specific tasks that you do in Accordance which feel difficult or impossible in Logos, maybe it would be helpful to make a separate thread about each one. I'm sure that I or others would be happy to make some tutorial videos if there is a better way. 

Hi @Justin Gatlin,

Thank you for the idea, and your reasoning makes sense. I think right now my biggest issue is that searching the lemma is "clunky" for a lack of a better term. Given what you wrote, I will create a post trying to clarify this, and if you or someone has a better way to do it than I am currently doing, that would be helpful to know. Thank you.

@Kristin what kind of original language work do you do, if you are able to share?

As someone who lives in both worlds, I think it depends on the kind of research a person is doing. Original language research might be better in Accordance, but I think Logos has the edge on research that involves searching libraries. With the new AI features for search, the more expansive library, and the ability to add print books or search everything, even things you don't own, Logos excels at research for my purposes, which typically are not getting into the weeds of original languages but more biblical theology related.

I do original language studies every day. Years ago, I ran Logos and Accordance side by side, with Logos more on the theological library side and Accordance on languages. This has changed, however, since Logos v. 10. It was quite some time ago that I last opened up Accordance, and I am starting to think about selling up.

There are features I still miss in Accordance, but the differences are minor for my level of study. Yes, there are occasionally more clicks to do the same thing, but with everything consolidated in one place and features like AI enhancing my research, it's now more troublesome to run two apps.

@Kristin what kind of original language work do you do, if you are able to share?

Hi @Robb Brunansky,

I am primarily doing translation work resulting in a "translation" not a "version" like the NIV or ESV. So I am exclusively working from the original text. I am thus concerned about exact counts of words (which is why the rare count discrepancies between the Logos lemma and Accordance lexeme caused me distress), and I also look at related words in other ancient languages. I am thus really not concerned at all about commentaries addressing pastoral application. (I would like to clarify though that I think that type of application has its place, and I like both the NIV and ESV, and use them both with students).

As someone who lives in both worlds, I think it depends on the kind of research a person is doing. Original language research might be better in Accordance, but I think Logos has the edge on research that involves searching libraries.

Hi @Robb Brunansky,

I agree with this in part. I for sure agree which program is better depends on the type of research, and I agree that Accordance is better with OL. However, I am not sure if I would agree that Logos is better at searching libraries, as it really depends on the type of search. As mentioned earlier on this thread, if someone wants a clean, organized synopsis of relevant info for a sermon, Logos is better. But if someone is searching for pieces of information which are not relevant for sermons, Accordance is better.

here are features I still miss in Accordance, but the differences are minor for my level of study. Yes, there are occasionally more clicks to do the same thing, but with everything consolidated in one place and features like AI enhancing my research, it's now more troublesome to run two apps.

Hi @Donovan R. Palmer,

This makes sense, but from my perspective it isn't just "occasionally more clicks," but if I were to do all my work in Logos it would literally be thousands of extra clicks every day, which is rough on my wrist and also wastes time. And I obviously don't need AI. :)