Can we please separate notes and highlights
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Hello… Pardon me but I heard that acronym “PBB” mentioned a couple of times already… What does it stand for?
I have always wondered about notes and highlights, so I am enjoying reading you guys… and yes, a few LOLs here and there…
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Thank you, I will have to come back and revisit this at some point.
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@MJ. Smith ..
Wellll… in your "adult to child" posting (which you do regularly) … Quote: "But anyone with a solid knowledge of data analysis and relational database design would understand that logically notes and highlights are variants of the same thing whether they are implemented that way or not - think standard, mathematical normalization rules."
I definitely don't use Logos like you do, don't see Logos as you do, and don't want to. But in a world of databases, I worked with Sybase, Oracle, Prolog, and a couple of others …. which doesn't mean anything other than to say, with relational databases, one of the reasons they were created was to store data efficiently so that it could be presented to the customer the way the customer wanted it.
Your argument is "why don't we accept the merging of Notes and Highlights" (my quote) simply because you… who supposedly know more than little ole me, thinks for whatever reason, that it's the right thing to do.
To put it simply… I object! I see nothing wrong with there being a distinction between Notes and Highlights and I definitely, all the more, think there should be. Especially in a relational database world.
And I see nothing wrong with a discussion of the subject.
You would keep Logos as "mediocre program". Why not think outside the box and think of what it could become. But that does take a little bit of imagination…..
in my humble opinion… which I do believe I am allowed to express. Thank you very much! 😎
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I remember yours and my argument about "searching in Logos" … and I remember well how you argued to keep search the same. Now please, just think for a moment, if I had agreed with you and we left search in Logos like it was then? Logos would be a poor "mediocre program" as to what it is now. I am glad there are people that listen.
Lighten up… a program is made for customers…. Let the customers discuss it and have a voice in the matter.
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I am sorry that my style of communication makes you feel "talked down to". That is never my intention. I have explained in the past why my communication style is as it is — multiple autistic young adults in the family combined with a natural terse precision. (If you think I'm terse you should "hear" my cousin.) This has clearly resulted in a massive misunderstanding of positions. I am sorry that we have not learned to understand other each and will take a recognition of that failure forward.
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@MJ. Smith No problem. I normally appreciate the way you want to help people. Keep it up. 😎
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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This is very helpful! Thank you.
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I'm coming late to this particular party, but I was just about to post a thread topic on this issue. Again, back in L3, you could create a note and give the note a visual markup. But you could also add additional markups to that note markup to create different visual effects. If, in the process of combining a few markups, you didn't get the kind of visual result you wanted (i.e. not enough contrast between foreground and background elements), you could erase the added markups and start over WITHOUT ERASING THE NOTE ALTOGETHER.
It now appears that erasing ANY PART of a combination of markup overlaps WILL ERASE EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE NOTE ITSELF!! That is ridiculous…truly, truly ridiculous. NOTES MUST BE UNAFFECTED BY MARKUP CHANGES. Each note has one pinned markup (which can be changed), but any other overlayed markup CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO DELETE THE NOTE ITSELF. It's crazy that I have to type such a comment.
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Gotta agree with MJ on this one. There are times I don't want HL in a notebook with my notes, but there are times where it is essential that they are in the same notebook. So I prefer the flexibility to the divorce.
Now, if they'll allow the anchors to show up when print/exporting the HLs, it'd be a really good tool.
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So, you agree it better to have them separated, with the option to incorporate one with the other as you will, not the reverse, which is a royal, complicated pain, as it stands today it is not very intuitive.
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I'm fine with MJ's suggested framing of the problem:
I suggest that people reframe the question as "I want my visual notes and my textual notes permanently separated. I don't want that separation to require any advanced knowledge on my part - I want it to "just work". I believe that those who wish to mingle visual notes and textual notes should have to do so explicitly. Therefore, please create a default notebook simply for the default of visual notes and require any other destination to be explicitly chosen - in the palette, right context menu …"
We really do need a solution, though. I've completely stopped using the notes feature, because it simply doesn't work for me due to this single issue. This drastically reduces the value of Logos for my study.
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why doesn't setting the highlighting palettes to default to a highlights only notebook not work for you? that is a piece that I don't understand.
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Perhaps because I just haven't figured it out yet? I think you articulated where I am pretty well: "I don't want that separation to require any advanced knowledge on my part - I want it to "just work""
Some of this may well be user limitations on my part. I hope to be able to retire in the next few years, but for now, I still have a full-time secular job. I can do a lot with Logos, but there's a limit to how much time I can put into learning work arounds. A feature may be incredibly powerful, but if it doesn't "just work," it's not useful to me.
As an aside, MJ, I do want to thank you for all the time you put in with hints, tips and tricks, and just general problem solving. That's a huge contribution to the community.
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Thanks, I agree that highlights should go into a separate notebook by default precisely because users who do not understand the feature are left in the best position to set it as they want it when they do understand.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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My thinking…. let Highlights go to Highlights notebook by default. No confusion, no mess, simple, easy peezy. 😎 Problem solved.
Much of the confusion, etc. is because the Hightlights blend in with Notes… but making Highlights have a default place to go solves the problem. Then users can move them as they wish.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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My thinking…. let Highlights go to Highlights notebook by default. No confusion, no mess, simple, easy peezy. 😎 Problem solved.
I agree - I proposed this as the answer in my original post. I genuinely appreciate your agreement.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Let's assume that I welcome this idea, but until now I have created a separate notebook for each bible book and each other volume I read. Is there a possibility to gather all Highlights scattered and kind of bulk-edit them, i.e. move them to that one single "Highlights notebook"?
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Is there a possibility to gather all Highlights scattered and kind of bulk-edit them, i.e. move them to that one single "Highlights notebook"?
Yes - and the general approach to moving notes from one notebook to another is outlined here
In the screenshot below, I can click the Highlights filter to filter the Notes tool to just show highlights
and then, for demo purposes, I've just selected a few of those highlights. The outlined box would allow me to choose a notebook for them
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