Sermons: Make Sermon Mode sermons sortable

Make the Sermon list in Preaching Mode sortable by most recent, alphabetical, etc. I preach three sermons every Sunday and my limited ADHD mind sometimes cannot remember what I titled my own sermon when I am trying to bring it up to preach. Right now it just seems to be random.

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Pastor Jeremy Wallace

Maria

I would love this! In fact, for me, just having them automatically ordered by most recently opened/edited would be enough. The more lessons I have created, the more difficult locating the proper lesson is becoming.

yes

Nice idea!

Yes... Do it!

I use the sermon manager and set the date the sermon will deliver. It should default sort by that! The day I open preaching mode is the day I am looking for that sermon I said I would preach...

Pastor Jeremy Wallace

@Keith Jones Hmmm...I set the date the sermon will be delivered in the date field in the Sermon Manager also...It does appear in date order in the Sermon Manager, but not when I go to open the preaching mode on the day that I'm preaching. I have to search for the name of the sermon in order to find it. I have hundreds of sermons in the sermon manager now, and when I open the preaching mode on my ipad they are not sorted in any order that I can recognize. I'm not sure why yours works differently. Please let me know if I am misunderstanding or doing something differently than you are. Thank you for the comment!

Maria

For anyone looking for more thoughts on this issue - I tried to list all the forum posts concerning this issue that I could find here:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/208807/1216048.aspx#1216048

Maria

@Jeremy Wallace Hello! I think that when Keith said "should" he meant he "wished it would," not that it was actually happening. I think he is venting in support of your suggestion. Which is great, because we need all the votes we can get!! I'm surprised that so few people seem to be struggling with this. I keep expecting more to show up - here's hoping!

Maria

My own vote would be to have them ordered by "last edited," since that will definitely bring up the sermon I'm most concerned with at the moment. (It might not be the top one, but it would be pretty close to the top.)

Ordering them by "occasion date" (Keith's suggestion) is quite logical, but I worry that there could be a situation where I should have updated an occasion date but forgot to do so, and that could cause trouble.

unknown

Ordering by last edited date would certainly be helpful. It would be even more helpful to offer a filter capability that includes the Series and passage references to reduce the number of sermons to peruse when looking for one that may not be the latest.

Maria

A Faithlife representative explained to me (via email) why sermon docs seem to be randomly ordered on mobile. Here's what I understood (hopefully this is an accurate portrayal - if something seems off, it's likely that my explanation is lacking): Document modification times aren't synced across devices. This means that, if we modify a sermon doc on one device (laptop), then switch devices (maybe to a mobile device to present), the second device doesn't know what time that doc was last modified. So, it can't properly order the docs by modification time - it uses only the modification times it is aware of (ie. modifications made on that very device itself).

The Faithlife representative explained that changing this would be extremely complex, and would require profound changes. Because of that, it isn't on the list of expected improvements right now. They are aware of the issue, and they are keeping it in mind for possible work in the future, but nothing is planned now.

Given this, I'll start advocating for sermon docs to be sorted by "Occasion date" on mobile, instead of date last modified, since, I think, the syncing issue wouldn't impact that.

T. Gorden

It would be extremely easier to find sermons if a date order or search was available.

T. Gorden

Agree

unknown

Totally agree! The mobile App is not as useful for updating or adding content for future study because it ONLY list by title. I would really love for it to function like the Sermon Manager on the desktop version. Hopefully, this will be a future added in the future.

unknown

I would like to see the default sorting in Sermon Manger be the same on the desktop and the mobile app. The desktop sorts by date scheduled and the mobile app only list the title. For research, I would find it easier to open a certain date (like next week) or even a specific text and add something on the fly. On the mobile app, it list the document by title and the type is "sermon". Hopefully, this will be a future feature.

Pastor Kevin

When starting or selecting a sermon for preaching mode, they should be displayed by date that coincides with the the planner.

Timothy Henderson

I was directed to this thread for a post I made dealing with this exact same issue…

As the OP from this thread stated, I too often have multiple sermons and don't remember what the TITLE was I used… It would be nice if it showed the DATE. There have been times I've had to go back in my office, open Logos on my computer, and go to the Sermon Manager to remember what the TITLE was so I can then go in and find it on the tablet to preach it.

I would like a 'Sort By' option and the ability to sort by DATE… It would also be nice to have it Default to my chosen 'Sort By' option, unless I choose to change it.