Sharing resources of LOGos 4 with Kindle

If the PDF reader is not to your taste...then you could convert the PDF to a native Ebook format using mobipocket creator....

that works too.

Amazon will also convert a PDF for you for no charge. Just add the word "Convert" in your subject line when you email the PDF to your Kindle address.

so it could display better if the page size is shrunk down to a 4" X 5" dimension...is that what your saying?

That's what I read on another thread. I gave up after my initial attempt to send a PDF to Kindle.

I would only go down the PDF route if it is a resource will lots of non-standard characters for which you need the original fonts. For most purposes I find using biblia.com on the Kindle browser less hassle than exporting a whole book to the Kindle.

so it could display better if the page size is shrunk down to a 4" X 5" dimension...is that what your saying?

Yes. If you set up a Word Document template with a 4X5 or 4.5X5 page size, .02 margins all around, 12pt font Your PDF will look pretty good on a Kindle. to test it out set up a document with the above settings. Export from Logos to a new Word document. I find if you try to use this new document it will reset everything to 8.5X11. Then place a single space in the 4X5 doc. then copy and paste all the exported Logos text into the 4X5 doc.If you don't put a space in the document it will do what Word does best, reset everything to what it wants. Let me know if you have any questions.

Shameless bump...

Bob or someone at Logos: What is the chance we will ever see an "export to Kindle" or something like that in the future?

Jerry

Amazon will also convert a PDF for you for no charge. Just add the word "Convert" in your subject line when you email the PDF to your Kindle address.

As best as I can tell, this only works if you have a real Kindle - not a Kindle app.  I use the Kindle app on both my PC Tablet and on my Andoid reader.  My wife has a real Kindle, but then it goes to her Kindle account rather than mine.

Seconded Jerry.  Until then, I continue to buy my books from Amazon...

I got my kindle last week and tried what was mentioned above. Here's what has been working for me...

1. Choose a book and "export" desired contents to a word document

2. In Word I ...

• changed the page size to 3.5 x 4.5
• set the margins to .06 on all sides
• changed font to 12 calibri
• deleted the footer
• changed text to single space
• removed spaces before and after paragraphs
• and formmated any tables that pushed text outside of margins
• Saved as .pdf
• emailed as attachment to "username@kindle.com"

I also saved a MSWord version so I could export future books into it with less work. For the second export I only had to change font size, remove paragraph and line spacing, and remove footer. It is working well for me. feel free to contact me with any questions if this sounds interesting and you need some help.

Thanks matthew! I'll give it a shot

Amazon will also convert a PDF for you for no charge. Just add the word "Convert" in your subject line when you email the PDF to your Kindle address.

As best as I can tell, this only works if you have a real Kindle - not a Kindle app.  I use the Kindle app on both my PC Tablet and on my Andoid reader.  My wife has a real Kindle, but then it goes to her Kindle account rather than mine.

Yes, this is true. The Kindle email address is one of the advantages of having a Kindle directly from Amazon. And I have both an iPad with the Kindle app plus a dedicated Kindle, which I greatly prefer for reading.  But if anything, it was reading on the Kindle app that pushed me over the edge for getting a Kindle. 

By the way, if I may offer a suggestion/tip, I would encourage you and your wife to share accounts rather than having separate ones. Amazon allows the same book on six different devices as a default (this differs occasionally if the publisher requests it). My wife and I do this and it's great for sharing a library together. We have two iPads and a Kindle all tied to the same Kindle account. This has been very handy, for instance, when doing a book study at church. In the old days with physical books, we used to have to take turns reading a book. Now we can read at the same time. It will also sync notes which is a nice feature. If we're both heavily adding notes to a particular book, we will add our initials to our notes. 

1. Choose a book and "export" desired contents to a word document

If you want to export the maximum amount in one sitting set the resource font to the smallest size, Press CTRL + P, select the Tabloid page size. When you export it to Word it will be exported with a normal font size. Doing this I'm able to export an entire Journal (e.g. Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society) with one export. In fact, I would still have 40 more pages to play with. :-)

By the way, if I may offer a suggestion/tip, I would encourage you and your wife to share accounts rather than having separate ones.

Would be nice - if we did not already have separate libraries.  Initially we built individual libraries using the many free books available for the Kindle - but since we each wanted separate books, we built different libraries.  She stuck with the Kindle, but I wanted something more flexible.  My Tablet PC allowed me to build libraries for the Kindle, the Nook, the Google reader, etc.  When it was time to purchase a reader for myself, I chose an Android based reader that could handle these different formats.

So, though the idea may be good for new users, for my wife and I it is not a workable solution.

By the way, if I may offer a suggestion/tip, I would encourage you and your wife to share accounts rather than having separate ones.

Would be nice - if we did not already have separate libraries.  Initially we built individual libraries using the many free books available for the Kindle - but since we each wanted separate books, we built different libraries.  She stuck with the Kindle, but I wanted something more flexible.  My Tablet PC allowed me to build libraries for the Kindle, the Nook, the Google reader, etc.  When it was time to purchase a reader for myself, I chose an Android based reader that could handle these different formats.

So, though the idea may be good for new users, for my wife and I it is not a workable solution.

Yes, I understand. For us, I'm glad we caught it in time. I'd bought a handful of Kindle books already, which I had on my Mac, before I got the iPad. We both got iPads at the same time last year, and initially we had separate Kindle libraries. Fortunately, she'd only purchased one book for herself when I realized there was really no reason for us not to share the same library. For what it's worth, we did re-purchase the only book she'd bought on her own because it was a reference book she'd continue to want access to. And then we combined our libraries. We also have a few B&N nook books and have those libraries shared on our iPads as well. 

Now my parents are also on our Kindle account. I gave them my Amazon access and occasionally, I'll get an email alerting me that a new ebook has just been purchased. They have an iPad. I simply forward the email to them and they mail me a check. It's a very nice arrangement, and we have the advantage of sharing our books together, all with Amazon's blessing. As people discover ebooks such as those for the Kindle or nook, I encourage them to share their libraries with other family members whenever it's possible.

Using the export feature is fine, except that we are limited to 100 pages. That does not cover most books.

Jerry

Based on the number of replies, any chance someone could provide a summary of this discussion for someone (like me) just joining the conversation?

specifically, is it better to go biblias.com or pdf. And then based on the response, what are next steps?

Thank you,

Gregg

Based on the number of replies, any chance someone could provide a summary of this discussion for someone (like me) just joining the conversation?

I'm afraid the conclusion is that opinions differ. There are three main options, each of which has its advocates.

1. Biblia.com, my preferred option. If you have 3G on your Kindle (or just read when on wifi) then this is the no-fuss option. There is no preparation to do. You need to select the mobile version of biblia.com, which does have limited functionality. You get one section of the book on each page. Footnotes are there at the bottom of the section but do not pop up as they do on standard version of biblia.com. Most of your library is available, but those that are not usable on the iPad are also not available on biblia.com.

2. Export the document to Word, using the Print/Export function (limited to 100 pages at a time). Then send the document to your @free.kindle.com email address. It will be converted into the Kindle book format. You may lose formatting of tables etc and may have problems with unusual glyphs (tranliterations etc.). You don't have any hyperlinks or footnotes.

3. Do 2, then save as a PDF and send that to your Kindle. In Word you need to set the page size to about the size of the Kindle screen and choose a comfortable font size, perhaps 12 pt. This may retain the table formatting, pictures and you can choose the fonts.

For what it's worth...I bought my Kindle yesterday. Loving it. I will try to export a Logos book or 2 later but for now I learned something really odd about my Amazon account. My wife and I have 1 account that has two passwords. If I sign in with her password and buy a book it does not show up on my kindle...even though it is the same account! Crazy. 

Amazon did say they can fix it, but for now, since I alone have a Kindle, it's not a big deal...just confusing.

I will try to export a Logos book or 2 later but for now I learned something really odd about my Amazon account. My wife and I have 1 account that has two passwords.

I have a similar situation with my account.  Although it's more like there are two separate accounts with the same email address.  Weird that they would use the password to identify an account.

Matthew,

You describe the process using WORD. Do you have PAGES? Anything different if you use that?

thanks,

Gregg

never used "PAGES", but I assume it can work similarly if you can save a document with specific page size, margins and as a pdf.

Pages can also export directly to ePub, so if rumors that the epub format is going to be allowed on the Kindle soon are true, this might make conversions even easier.

How would you export an entire book, assuming it is more than 100 pages?

I am using PDFCreator as default printer. 

If I choose A3 (not A4), Logos will try to fit in more data, and then I can save everything to a RTF for sending to Kindle.

If I choose A3 (not A4), Logos will try to fit in more data, and then I can save everything to a RTF for sending to Kindle.

This has been tested.  Could "print" more to RTF.  So now if you choose A2 instead of A4, you can get 4 times more information (approx. 400 pages).

One bit of confusion: You said you open the saved WORD file in PAGES And then export to ePub. How come you don't just save in PAGES instead of saving in WORD?

I export from Logos, then use Scrivener to convert to Kindle format, then copy it over to the Kindle.

Works great.

Jason

Can/will Logos remove the 100 page restriction I see for outputting to Kindle/pdf?  It would also be great to be able to single click select a whole resource for transfer.  A simple ToC would be nice too with right/left button navigation to chapter beginnings.

If I choose A3 (not A4), Logos will try to fit in more data, and then I can save everything to a RTF for sending to Kindle.

I turn the font down on the resource to the lowest setting before pulling up the print window. Then I set the Page size to tabloid. you can fit a lot in with these settings.

 It would also be great to be able to single click select a whole resource for transfer.

From the print window if you set the range to 1 to 9999 (assuming the resource has page numbers) it will select everything.

If anyone needs assistance with a Kindle book, setting up a cover page, table of contents, chapter links, and so forth, let me know.  I can add the necessary styling, links, headings, and so forth for you.

It can save time if you email me with a screenshot (or picture) with your resource pulled up, so I can confirm that you own the book.   

So I don't lose your request in the midst of this thread, you can email me directly at joel@joeljupp.com

Joel

I appreciate the offer, Joel. I think I am decent at doing that stuff.

What I am hoping for is a direct export to Kindle feature. I would buy more books from you Logos, honest!

If that can't happen a removal of the 100 page limit would be awfully groovy.

Jerry

 It would also be great to be able to single click select a whole resource for transfer.

From the print window if you set the range to 1 to 9999 (assuming the resource has page numbers) it will select everything.

I wish, Halo Hound. It limits things to 100 pages max.

Jerry

100 Printed pages, but not 100 resource pages. If 5 Resource pages fit on 1 printed page then you are able to export 500 resource pages per export.

Logos does not yet have an official position on putting books on the Kindle.

We definitely do not support your distributing or re-selling the books, but we design our software around a "purchase once, use anywhere" model -- for the original purchaser. Personally, I'd like us to have an "Export to Kindle" feature built right in.

-- Bob

 

Bob or anyone else at Logos,

Will this ever happen? Any progress?

Jerry

My progress is that I have continued to buy from Amazon rather than Logos :-)

My progress is that I have continued to buy from Amazon rather than Logos :-)

I understand where you are coming from, Rob. I buy from Amazon too.

But...

I would like to read the books I already own from Logos on my Kindle. I have scores of books that are for reading and not really studying. Many I have never looked at.

Also, I like Amazon and I like Logos and will continue to buy books from both. However, if I had an "export to Kindle" function, I would buy more books from Logos as I would rather them get my money.

Jerry

I fully concur.  $$$ to Logos rather than Jeff Bezos would be great, but given the problems above and the generally Amazon pricing, then the status quo for me remains.

I guess Logos have to deal with the publishers in order to implement legal export functionality.  Still, Logos could add DRM to protect the content if they wanted to.  If you self-publish on Kindle, then Amazon offer DRM or non-DRM as an option during the online publishing process.

I would like to read the books I already own from Logos on my Kindle. I have scores of books that are for reading and not really studying. Many I have never looked at.

That describes my situation perfectly!

Logos does not yet have an official position on putting books on the Kindle.

We definitely do not support your distributing or re-selling the books, but we design our software around a "purchase once, use anywhere" model -- for the original purchaser. Personally, I'd like us to have an "Export to Kindle" feature built right in.

-- Bob

 

 

Bob or anyone else at Logos,

Will this ever happen? Any progress?

Jerry

I can't speak to whether it will ever happen for e-ink-based Kindles, but our Android app is in Amazon's appstore (http://www.amazon.com/Logos-Bible-Software/dp/B0062RM1VQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=mobile-apps&qid=1320857175&sr=1-2), so you should be able to read your Logos books on a Kindle Fire.

Also, I like Amazon and I like Logos and will continue to buy books from both. However, if I had an "export to Kindle" function, I would buy more books from Logos as I would rather them get my money.

I think this could work like this:

a) Logos prepares a RTF or MOBI - downgraded as compared to Logos resource with internal links, but WITH footnotes and contents, etc.

b) when user chooses "Export to Kindle", Logos server (not the desktop program) would send the file to the user's ABCUSERNAME@free.kindle.com (can be stored in Logos.com profile) with subject "Convert", and Amazon would happily do the rest of the work :-)

Having experimented a bit with this, the mobile view of biblia.com is the least labour-intensive approach to reading a whole Logos book on the Kindle.

There is a thread in the Biblia.com forum that deals with this.

Where? I searched Biblia topic for Kindle and didn't find any posts on this issue. Can you post a link to a specific post?

Where? I searched Biblia topic for Kindle and didn't find any posts on this issue.

Wonder about opening a Kindle's web browser to http://biblia.com ?

Keep Smiling [:)]

Yeah, I didn't find it either...

Wonder about opening a Kindle's web browser to http://biblia.com ?

Attached to this post are a couple of screenshots of Biblia.com on the browser of my Kindle Touch.

Navigation of any website is easier on the Touch than on non-touchscreen Kindles, but it's still awkward to maneuver. You have to go down to read everything on a page and then click the right arrow to advance. 

I still think the easiest way to read a Logos title on the Kindle is to convert the entire text. 

I figure Logos really don't want to go down the path of making it easy to export their books to Kindle.  I do note there is an API for Biblia, so a good programmer could probably write a script or app to go thru entire books and extract the text page by page and make them into a Kindle document.

Very frustrating me thinks... I would like to give Logos my $$$ rather than Amazon but I cannot...

Here is a guide I made to export to Kindle with fully functional native table of contents, footnotes, and chapter navigation marks. I thought I would start a new thread as the message was a little long, and I think the methodology is simple and quick enough that it would be easier for people to find this way.

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/47210.aspx

I bought my kindle because the e-ink does not shine light into my eyes.  I still study on the computer but if I am just reading something with a minimum of highlighting I want it on the kindle.  I export from logos4 using the html format.  The kindle format is based on html so it is a easy conversion.  I might export a chapter or my clippings for review.  Sometimes I want the whole book.  I find 20 file for one book gets messy.  From the windows command console in the folder where the files are I type

   copy * AbbreviationForBookName.html.

  This combines the 100 page segments into one file.  I import this into Calibre and convert to kindle format and send it to my device.  This works well for me.

I honestly can't imagine a scenario where the lack of 3G coverage would make any difference.

Zipping along the highway in the passenger seat or on a train and finish my book and want to get the next.  Or want to access the web on the (albeit limited) experimental browser.  Etc.

I honestly can't imagine a scenario where the lack of 3G coverage would make any difference.

Zipping along the highway in the passenger seat or on a train and finish my book and want to get the next.  Or want to access the web on the (albeit limited) experimental browser.  Etc.

Peter, you realize, of course, that you are taking issue with something I said two years ago. In defense of my statement, I keep virtually none of my books archived, so switching to the next book I'd want to read would not be a problem. The only real problem might occur if I wanted to purchase something new and was stuck with a wifi-only device in a setting that had no wifi.

Regardless--and feel free to call me a Kindle hypocrite--I now have the Kindle with 3G. I've become a big fan of such connectivity in spite of the fact that I generally keep my devices loaded with every title I own.

What I'm using to read most these days is the 64 GB iPad mini I picked up in December. I have 15 GB of Accordance titles on it, 12 GB of Logos titles, 2 GB of Kindle titles and lesser amounts for Nook and other readers. But I've easily got 7,000+ titles with me at all times in my coat pocket. 

I did opt to get the wifi-only version of the mini since I now have an iPhone on Verizon that lets me hotspot, but I think if I had it to do over, I'd get the LTE version--it's just so convenient to have a signal at all times--in spite of what I said two years ago!