Sharing resources of LOGos 4 with Kindle

Amazon will also convert a PDF for you for no charge. Just add the word "Convert" in your subject line when you email the PDF to your Kindle address.

Matthew Helfrich said:

so it could display better if the page size is shrunk down to a 4" X 5" dimension...is that what your saying?

Yes. If you set up a Word Document template with a 4X5 or 4.5X5 page size, .02 margins all around, 12pt font Your PDF will look pretty good on a Kindle. to test it out set up a document with the above settings. Export from Logos to a new Word document. I find if you try to use this new document it will reset everything to 8.5X11. Then place a single space in the 4X5 doc. then copy and paste all the exported Logos text into the 4X5 doc.If you don't put a space in the document it will do what Word does best, reset everything to what it wants. Let me know if you have any questions.

R. Mansfield said:

Amazon will also convert a PDF for you for no charge. Just add the word "Convert" in your subject line when you email the PDF to your Kindle address.

As best as I can tell, this only works if you have a real Kindle - not a Kindle app.  I use the Kindle app on both my PC Tablet and on my Andoid reader.  My wife has a real Kindle, but then it goes to her Kindle account rather than mine.

I got my kindle last week and tried what was mentioned above. Here's what has been working for me...

1. Choose a book and "export" desired contents to a word document

2. In Word I ...

• changed the page size to 3.5 x 4.5
• set the margins to .06 on all sides
• changed font to 12 calibri
• deleted the footer
• changed text to single space
• removed spaces before and after paragraphs
• and formmated any tables that pushed text outside of margins
• Saved as .pdf
• emailed as attachment to "username@kindle.com"

I also saved a MSWord version so I could export future books into it with less work. For the second export I only had to change font size, remove paragraph and line spacing, and remove footer. It is working well for me. feel free to contact me with any questions if this sounds interesting and you need some help.

Floyd Johnson said:

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R. Mansfield said:

Amazon will also convert a PDF for you for no charge. Just add the word "Convert" in your subject line when you email the PDF to your Kindle address.

As best as I can tell, this only works if you have a real Kindle - not a Kindle app.  I use the Kindle app on both my PC Tablet and on my Andoid reader.  My wife has a real Kindle, but then it goes to her Kindle account rather than mine.

Yes, this is true. The Kindle email address is one of the advantages of having a Kindle directly from Amazon. And I have both an iPad with the Kindle app plus a dedicated Kindle, which I greatly prefer for reading.  But if anything, it was reading on the Kindle app that pushed me over the edge for getting a Kindle. 

By the way, if I may offer a suggestion/tip, I would encourage you and your wife to share accounts rather than having separate ones. Amazon allows the same book on six different devices as a default (this differs occasionally if the publisher requests it). My wife and I do this and it's great for sharing a library together. We have two iPads and a Kindle all tied to the same Kindle account. This has been very handy, for instance, when doing a book study at church. In the old days with physical books, we used to have to take turns reading a book. Now we can read at the same time. It will also sync notes which is a nice feature. If we're both heavily adding notes to a particular book, we will add our initials to our notes. 

R. Mansfield said:

By the way, if I may offer a suggestion/tip, I would encourage you and your wife to share accounts rather than having separate ones.

Would be nice - if we did not already have separate libraries.  Initially we built individual libraries using the many free books available for the Kindle - but since we each wanted separate books, we built different libraries.  She stuck with the Kindle, but I wanted something more flexible.  My Tablet PC allowed me to build libraries for the Kindle, the Nook, the Google reader, etc.  When it was time to purchase a reader for myself, I chose an Android based reader that could handle these different formats.

So, though the idea may be good for new users, for my wife and I it is not a workable solution.

Using the export feature is fine, except that we are limited to 100 pages. That does not cover most books.

Jerry

Gregg Farah said:

Based on the number of replies, any chance someone could provide a summary of this discussion for someone (like me) just joining the conversation?

I'm afraid the conclusion is that opinions differ. There are three main options, each of which has its advocates.

1. Biblia.com, my preferred option. If you have 3G on your Kindle (or just read when on wifi) then this is the no-fuss option. There is no preparation to do. You need to select the mobile version of biblia.com, which does have limited functionality. You get one section of the book on each page. Footnotes are there at the bottom of the section but do not pop up as they do on standard version of biblia.com. Most of your library is available, but those that are not usable on the iPad are also not available on biblia.com.

2. Export the document to Word, using the Print/Export function (limited to 100 pages at a time). Then send the document to your @free.kindle.com email address. It will be converted into the Kindle book format. You may lose formatting of tables etc and may have problems with unusual glyphs (tranliterations etc.). You don't have any hyperlinks or footnotes.

3. Do 2, then save as a PDF and send that to your Kindle. In Word you need to set the page size to about the size of the Kindle screen and choose a comfortable font size, perhaps 12 pt. This may retain the table formatting, pictures and you can choose the fonts.

David Buckham said:

I will try to export a Logos book or 2 later but for now I learned something really odd about my Amazon account. My wife and I have 1 account that has two passwords.

I have a similar situation with my account.  Although it's more like there are two separate accounts with the same email address.  Weird that they would use the password to identify an account.

never used "PAGES", but I assume it can work similarly if you can save a document with specific page size, margins and as a pdf.

Jerry Bush said:

How would you export an entire book, assuming it is more than 100 pages?

I am using PDFCreator as default printer. 

If I choose A3 (not A4), Logos will try to fit in more data, and then I can save everything to a RTF for sending to Kindle.

One bit of confusion: You said you open the saved WORD file in PAGES And then export to ePub. How come you don't just save in PAGES instead of saving in WORD?

Can/will Logos remove the 100 page restriction I see for outputting to Kindle/pdf?  It would also be great to be able to single click select a whole resource for transfer.  A simple ToC would be nice too with right/left button navigation to chapter beginnings.

Michael Anda said:

 It would also be great to be able to single click select a whole resource for transfer.

From the print window if you set the range to 1 to 9999 (assuming the resource has page numbers) it will select everything.

I appreciate the offer, Joel. I think I am decent at doing that stuff.

What I am hoping for is a direct export to Kindle feature. I would buy more books from you Logos, honest!

If that can't happen a removal of the 100 page limit would be awfully groovy.

Jerry

100 Printed pages, but not 100 resource pages. If 5 Resource pages fit on 1 printed page then you are able to export 500 resource pages per export.

My progress is that I have continued to buy from Amazon rather than Logos :-)

I fully concur.  $$$ to Logos rather than Jeff Bezos would be great, but given the problems above and the generally Amazon pricing, then the status quo for me remains.

I guess Logos have to deal with the publishers in order to implement legal export functionality.  Still, Logos could add DRM to protect the content if they wanted to.  If you self-publish on Kindle, then Amazon offer DRM or non-DRM as an option during the online publishing process.

Jerry Bush said:

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Bob Pritchett said:

Logos does not yet have an official position on putting books on the Kindle.

We definitely do not support your distributing or re-selling the books, but we design our software around a "purchase once, use anywhere" model -- for the original purchaser. Personally, I'd like us to have an "Export to Kindle" feature built right in.

-- Bob

 

 

Bob or anyone else at Logos,

Will this ever happen? Any progress?

Jerry

I can't speak to whether it will ever happen for e-ink-based Kindles, but our Android app is in Amazon's appstore (http://www.amazon.com/Logos-Bible-Software/dp/B0062RM1VQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=mobile-apps&qid=1320857175&sr=1-2), so you should be able to read your Logos books on a Kindle Fire.

Jonathan Pitts said:

Having experimented a bit with this, the mobile view of biblia.com is the least labour-intensive approach to reading a whole Logos book on the Kindle.

There is a thread in the Biblia.com forum that deals with this.

Where? I searched Biblia topic for Kindle and didn't find any posts on this issue. Can you post a link to a specific post?

Yeah, I didn't find it either...

I figure Logos really don't want to go down the path of making it easy to export their books to Kindle.  I do note there is an API for Biblia, so a good programmer could probably write a script or app to go thru entire books and extract the text page by page and make them into a Kindle document.

Very frustrating me thinks... I would like to give Logos my $$$ rather than Amazon but I cannot...

I bought my kindle because the e-ink does not shine light into my eyes.  I still study on the computer but if I am just reading something with a minimum of highlighting I want it on the kindle.  I export from logos4 using the html format.  The kindle format is based on html so it is a easy conversion.  I might export a chapter or my clippings for review.  Sometimes I want the whole book.  I find 20 file for one book gets messy.  From the windows command console in the folder where the files are I type

   copy * AbbreviationForBookName.html.

  This combines the 100 page segments into one file.  I import this into Calibre and convert to kindle format and send it to my device.  This works well for me.

Peter Bowers said:

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R. Mansfield said:

I honestly can't imagine a scenario where the lack of 3G coverage would make any difference.

Zipping along the highway in the passenger seat or on a train and finish my book and want to get the next.  Or want to access the web on the (albeit limited) experimental browser.  Etc.

Peter, you realize, of course, that you are taking issue with something I said two years ago. In defense of my statement, I keep virtually none of my books archived, so switching to the next book I'd want to read would not be a problem. The only real problem might occur if I wanted to purchase something new and was stuck with a wifi-only device in a setting that had no wifi.

Regardless--and feel free to call me a Kindle hypocrite--I now have the Kindle with 3G. I've become a big fan of such connectivity in spite of the fact that I generally keep my devices loaded with every title I own.

What I'm using to read most these days is the 64 GB iPad mini I picked up in December. I have 15 GB of Accordance titles on it, 12 GB of Logos titles, 2 GB of Kindle titles and lesser amounts for Nook and other readers. But I've easily got 7,000+ titles with me at all times in my coat pocket. 

I did opt to get the wifi-only version of the mini since I now have an iPhone on Verizon that lets me hotspot, but I think if I had it to do over, I'd get the LTE version--it's just so convenient to have a signal at all times--in spite of what I said two years ago!