????????
I get educated everyday when my Logos goes mobile on my Nexus 7 and sometimes on my phone too.
Something tells me this isnt what you meant, huh?
Given that this thread was started by Johnny Cisneros, one of the creators of the DVD "Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew with Logos Bible Software" I'm guessing this new venture has to do with training videos for mobile devices.
Johnny, could you tell us more? Is there a website yet? I googled "Logos Mobile Education" and didn't find anything except this thread.
It seems premature to create a forum about something that hasn't even been announced yet. Who is going to have questions about it? Apart from this sort of speculative "what the heck is it?" kind of question. Maybe that's the whole point -- to create some buzz surrounding it before it's released.
http://blog.logos.com/2013/05/announcing-logos-mobile-education
We're excited about our new Logos Mobile Education division and its potential to help you learn and grow. Please use this new forum to post your thoughts or questions. We appreciate your feedback. Thank you! Johnny
Ok, I have briefly read through the blog announcement, and have discerned that Logos will be implementing an online bible course. Now for the questions.
1. What level of courses will be offered? Will it be for babies (beginners), toddlers (those that are aware, but know very little), teenagers (those that have the training of their parents, and want to go further), adults (those that know much, and want to know much more), or seniors (those that are seasoned and can teach, preach, etc.)?
2. Will this be somehow integrated within the Logos application or will it be a separate website with links to the individual's Logos program?
3. Will there be a cost for this in addition to ownership/license of Logos or will it just require the user/student to be a registered user with the resources?
4. Are there any samples or video descriptions of this?
5. Will this be an academic program with credits or is it for anyone desiring to go further in their personal study?
From the blog post:
Will this be somehow integrated within the Logos application or will it be a separate website with links to the individual's Logos program?
Every video is transcribed for cross-referencing and tagging within Logos, so the video content can be discovered in searches, just like books within Logos; this makes your course part of your permanent library.
From the blog post: Will this be somehow integrated within the Logos application or will it be a separate website with links to the individual's Logos program? Every video is transcribed for cross-referencing and tagging within Logos, so the video content can be discovered in searches, just like books within Logos; this makes your course part of your permanent library.
Thanks Mark; I missed that.
Maybe its too soon, but it would be nice to have more of a description of the details since the word is now out. [:)]
Hi rosie.
I do agree with you
Certainly sounds interesting..... [H]
Great! Looking to learn how we can LEARN more! Let's make all this tech stuff work for us. So we can be more effective in sharing the GOOD NEWS in the WORD and of CHRIST!!
I also hope you are going to bring Morris in on this too! He has being working from the beginning to bring training together with the Logos Software for the plain man or women in the world to grow and be more effective with the Logos Software. I feel he has the background and experience that would be a great help in the development of this project.
Is Logos Mobile Education a more sophisticated version of Proctor's training videos? Is LME training in the use of specific Logos resources? Is LME, as stated earlier, an education in biblical or ministerial subjects?
Unfortunately I fear, like many of the Logos Resources, the price would mean that it would be out of reach for many of us :-(
Are you talking about actual college type courses? Or just training on how to use Logos?
We need more details.
teenagers (those that have the training of their parents, and want to go further)
Don't teenagers already know everything? If you don't believe that, just ask one [:D]. (Speaking from long experience here: 3 adult children, each of whom was a former teen; 7 grandchildren who have pass through those years; 1 grandchild just now learning of his vast knowledge)
Don't teenagers already know everything? If you don't believe that, just ask one [:D]. (Speaking from long experience here: 3 adult children, each of whom is a former teen; 7 grandchildren who have pass through those years; 1 grandchild just now learning of his vast knowledge)
I too am excited about this, my main question would be about cost, what if any is going to be the cost of this?
I look forward to learning more about this. It sounds like a real help section F1 option that is lacking in Logos. The cost is something that concerns me, I would like it to be considered part of the package so the user can get the full use out of the tools they have purchased.
J.T.
The blog post says it's both, lectures in biblical studies, theology and church history, and screencasts showing how to "validate lecture content" in Logos.
Logos has been focused on equipping users for Bible study… Logos has not had instruction in biblical content as a primary goal… The time has come for us to address this problem…
…biblical studies, theology, church history, or any subject a Logos Mobile Education course might cover
Logos Mobile Education courses include expert professors recorded in HD video... Screencast demonstrations are added to lectures to show students how Logos can be used to validate lecture content
Looking Forward to This!
If the Faithful Living Series is anything to go by, then I'm really looking forward to this. I give the initiative 10 stars and can't wait for the first course / module.
We have been going through the Faithlife bible Reading Plan as a church and our mens ministry has been going through the Abraham course (one session per month) and it's been great.
Thanks Logos... and keep up the good work.
teenagers (those that have the training of their parents, and want to go further) Don't teenagers already know everything? If you don't believe that, just ask one . (Speaking from long experience here: 3 adult children, each of whom was a former teen; 7 grandchildren who have pass through those years; 1 grandchild just now learning of his vast knowledge)
Don't teenagers already know everything? If you don't believe that, just ask one . (Speaking from long experience here: 3 adult children, each of whom was a former teen; 7 grandchildren who have pass through those years; 1 grandchild just now learning of his vast knowledge)
Hi Jack;
Yes, that is so true. I should have placed the teenagers beyond the senior (seasoned). [:D]
You are blessed. So far, I have 3 grandchildren (the oldest being 5) and 7 adults (we are done). [:)]
This is exciting! This is why I started LearnLogos.com. Glad to see Logos recognizing the need.
I hope this doesn't come out wrong, but I'm having trouble getting excited about this at the moment.
The blog article is written in the present tense as if it's available now, but has no real details about how to get it, what exactly is available, and how much. If it were written as more of a "it's coming in the future" article, I could understand the lack of details. But that's not how I read it.
I'd like to get excited about this. I really would. But, I wish a sentence or two would have been used to at least give us an availability date if nothing more.
Hi John;
Good to see you visit the board. [:)]
I enjoy your webinars and continue to look forward to each one of them.
Sounds like a fantastic idea. Only wish my lectures at university had been available like this! I could have concentrated on the lecture content rather than note taking. I think it has a lot of potential. Price point will be interesting as I have the Greek and Hebrew videos I bought while on discount. Not sure I could have afforded them at the full price.
David
I'd like to know more about this myself...
Is this a replacement to AM Bible Courseware; something similar to the "Charles Stanley Institute for Christian Living" they once offered online; or a full fledged seminary courseware engine inside Logos?
As long as I am explaining things, I should add two important design philosophies in our courses. That is "usefulness for teaching and preaching" and "the skills to do further study on your own."
As we have flown in professors from various schools we have stressed to them the need to make the material applicable to teachers and preachers. Demonstrate how the information can be communicated to others. The second task is highly specialized. That is to learn how to apply your Logos skills to the material you are now studying. Learn to dig out the information just like the teacher did before you. So we have created a whole series of context based lessons which will teach you to use Logos for theology, church history, hermeneutics, etc. One of our forum menbers, Mark Barnes has become a major contributor in this area of practical application.
When a professor asks us to describe the program we say, "Think of this as vocational training for ministry." We expect that our users will already be serving in ministry and their desire for education is real and practical.
I love what I'm hearing so far and am very excited. Not just as a possible customer, but down the road as a possible contributor once I'm more qualified for professor work.
Ah, gee ! The courses I teach are quiet for the summer, I saw this potentially meaty learning opportunity pushed on the Logos software home page, and I got excited about some deeper learning now that the summer is relatively free. Then, what ....? I have the same questions as Erwin Stull plus is there a timeline when this becomes available ?
Bob Kostrubanic
Glad to know that I am not that far behind the curve on this new venture?
Cost will be an issue. I am just about maxed out. I truly appreciate Logos, the program and the company, but about all I can afford now from time to time is a community pricing offer that I am interested in. Many of us do not get paid like a TV evangelist.
Sounds like my situation. I could not pastor this church if I were not retired military as well as drawing Social Security; the funds I get from the church hardly cover my gas expense. I purchase and purchase the things I use and use, but eventually must just use what I have already purchased. Hopefully at some point we will be able to move into more of these materials; the need for them is absolutely massive.
Cost: As I stated in an earlier response, we base our prices on our cost to produce the product. We are not focused on making the most affordable product but rather the best solution. That being said we know that the cost of education has risen in the past few years to the point at which people are searching for alternatives. There are a lot of free education opportunities on the internet but it is hard to distinguish between good and bad programs and none of them are connected to essential library resources. That’s where Logos Mobile Education comes in.
Here is our formula for maximum reduction in the cost of a first class education in Biblical studies.
I am excited to see what courses will be offered. I will complete my BS in Religion in April 2014 and would love to use the classes to supplement my current education. So will it be general courses, prescribe courses around a topic, or classes for credit? Many questions, will you provide more answers? Please!
This is truly exciting news! How does this integrate with your Knox Theological Seminary (KTS) relationship? IS KTS the feeder group for instructors? What is the vetting process for your potential instructors?
Very good poijt. Sort of a "cart before the horse" problem.
Thanks, Dale, for the larger scope of information. I am getting excited and looking forward to what will be offered at the end of the summer. I have completed my Certificate of Graduate Studies at Dallas Theological and have been trying to decide what to do next. I will never likely ever work fulltime in ministry. I am still practicing law and have just taken on a protege to whom I have committed at least 2 or more years. Then there is the cost of courses at DTS; $1500+ per course. It gets expensive. You may be offering the level of courses I want at a more affordable price. At least that is my hope. The concept of being a part of a community of like-minded "study partners" is very exciting, too.
Just one question. Will potential students be able to identify the particular "bent" of the lecturer/professor from his/her bio? I tend to be very conservative and have thoroughly enjoyed the wonderful professors at DTS who are all very conservative and subscribe to the theological statement of the institution.
Just one question. Will potential students be able to identify the particular "bent" of the lecturer/professor from his/her bio?
We do NOT want to have to try to GUESS the ""BENT"" we want it in cold clear black and white LARGE PRINT BOLD (and maybe underlined).
And will there be classes for all ""BENT""s?
We do NOT want to have to try to GUESS the ""BENT"" we want it in cold clear black and white LARGE PRINT BOLD (and maybe underlined). And will there be classes for all ""BENT""s?
i agree, but the professor and his place of teaching will tell you volumes about the "bent"
Interesting comments. Thanks! I will try to address a couple of issues raised and share more of our philosophy.
Logos Moble Ed is designed to offer an efficient way to learn academic and vocational skills in an environment which will be used every day in ministry. It is an ambitious project because it assumes a new "normal" ministry working environment that is digital dependent, or better stated, digitally enhanced. This is a biblical studies program that assumes that the student will own a large Logos digital library, be competent in using Logos Bible Software and will continue to use the software everyday in ministry as part of a "normal" working environment. It represents a departure from the segmented life of "living and studying at school" and then "working in real life ministry." In many cases these two life segments are so disconnected that it is hard to believe the first has anything to do with the second. School is very different than ministry. This is also true of the environment of ministry. If you use Logos every day, you know that school did not really prepare you for this digital working environment.
So our concept once again is to study in the same environment in which you will work, so that you are not only permanently connected to your education, but you are also continuing to learn both content and independent study skills every day as you apply what you learn. Our focus is not on attaining credential or degrees. That is the role of institutions. Our goal is to build confidence in exegesis and develop skill and comfort with digital resources.
The Knox program is unrelated to Logos Mobile Ed, but as someone suggested, Knox professors could find their way into our Mobile Ed courses and there is nothing to prevent Knox from using Mobile Ed courses as part of their program, but there is no contractual obligation to connect the two programs.
As to the bent of professors you really need to do your own assessment. If I described any professor's bent my assessment would itself be colored by my own perspective. I like the suggestion of examining the doctrinal position of the school. While not a perfect reflection of any individual's position it at least demonstrates some common ground held by faculty. Our goal is to present a broad range of faculty. Why? We want to accommodate as many of our users as is practical. You may also want to better understand both those thing with which you agree and disagree. It helps you understand and minister to the varied backgrounds represented in the typical local church.
[A] This is a biblical studies program that assumes that the student will own a large Logos digital library, be competent in using Logos Bible Software
A) How LARGE a library? Silver? Master? Gold? Capstone? Platinum? Diamond? Portfolio? The soon coming Orthodox or Reformed?
This is a biblical studies program that assumes that the student will own a large Logos digital library, be competent in using Logos Bible Software A) How LARGE a library? Silver? Master? Gold? Capstone? Platinum? Diamond? Portfolio? The soon coming Orthodox or Reformed?
This is a biblical studies program that assumes that the student will own a large Logos digital library, be competent in using Logos Bible Software
The courses are tagged to Platinum 5 with additional tags to suggested works outside Platinum. The mandate to the editors is to insure that the courses can be fully completed within the boundaries of Platinum plus any additional reference work that might be a specific to a course requirement. At first that sounds contradictory but it is not. Core curriculum is covered with Platinum. Specific electives however, may require specialized books just as would be the case in a traditional classroom environment. For example if you are taking an elective on Dead Sea Scroll materials or another topic like pastoral counseling, you will find these required works listed with the course descriptions or even built into the cost of the course. We have not yet made that final determination.
Let's face it. There is a huge body of resources available beyond Platinum. We encourage the editors to include suggestions with links to additional readings throughout the Logos ecosystem. Many users have very large libraries that will receive these links already and others may be looking for ideas for additional titles within their area of interest.
This sounds really exciting, can't wait to see it roll out. It's just the kind of "formality" I am looking for, my own pace but with some challenge and meat to it.
Dale, will our credits for successfully completing a course be captured reliably somewhere, like on Logos servers, so if one day a seminary comes out with a degree program requiring completion of courses A through Z, and I completed A through F a year earlier, that could be counted if they chose to (I realize they may not wish to grant credit but I was more wondering is my transcript kept somewhere in case)? Or will they have no way of knowing that I already completed the course(s)?
Nothing really preventing the professor filming the video subsequently interacting with students via a forum or on-line chat (except time committment and availability... ).
Will video lectures include closed captioning or English subtitles? I am deaf Christian interesting in biblical studies. Thanks.
Welcome to the forums Edgar. You make a valid point.
Edgar,
if you look on PrePub the first set of videos say they have CC.
Thanks.
The lectures are not captioned, but transcripts of all the lectures are included in the text.
[H] Could you type your response in braille, please? [H]
To me that greatly enhances the value of the courses.
One question/suggestion; Do "enrollees" qualify for academic pricing on other Logos resources? I think it would be a good marketing point.
This is exciting! This is why I started LearnLogos.com. Glad to see Logos recognizing the need. It's a great resource too john and lots cheaper than logos mobile ed.
What's LearnLogos.com? Haven't heard of it.
I can't say I'm familiar with what John is doing, but I don't believe he's hiring professors from around the country for his content. If he is, let us know!
We've had almost two dozen in for filming, and that's just the beginning.
Baptist MDiv student here at Luther Rice Seminary (I work days in the insurance industry in a callcenter) and hope one day to be a future assistant pastor if I am ordained and God calls me to a specific church or ministry.
In exchange for a free look at your developing content as it progresses, I would be happy to be a test subject (i dislike guinea pig) for one of your courses and, in particular, help you with the tests (as in I can take the tests and tell you whats good or bad about them).
Blessings as you all pursue this course of study offering.Joshua
p.s. I would enjoy a long free lengthy look at the sessions with Mr. Bock [:)]
You are responding to an announcement more than a decade old. The Logos Mobile Education unit has essentially been closed with the exception of finishing a few unfinished projects.
