Plato & Aristotle in Loeb

I've mentioned this already but it's buried somewhere in another thread.

As the title says, I'm really hoping that we can get our hands on the Loeb volumes for Plato and Aristotle.

For anyone who is interested in learning Ancient Greek - it's truly worth doing so just to be able to read Plato, where poetry and philosophy are nearly one.

In the world of philosophy, there's never been anything quite like Plato. And in many ways, he was an early explorer of transcendent reality; and ever since him, philosophically speaking, the most fundamental discussion in the West has been between those who believe in a transcendent reality, and the skeptics, materialists, and nominalists who deny the existence of any such reality. This, of course, is of keen interest to the Christian.

And after Attic/Classical Greek, NT Greek is far easier. (Actually, the proper way to do it is to start with Homeric Greek Smile )

Aristotle is much harder but also a privilege to read in the original.

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Excellent point ... 'in the west' (west of the Bosporus anyway).

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Most post-moderns, whether they realize it or not, are nominalists, materialists and relativists - and radically so.

Where I live (Boston, US), to bring up Christ or the Bible will almost invariably send people into a kind of apoplexy; it's almost like the initial stirrings of an exorcism. LOL.

So I have learned, via long debate and discussion experience, that Plato and Aristotle are powerful allies in the struggle against this twisted and destructive Weltanschauung.

Oddly enough, Plato and Aristotle (but especially Plato) are almost always taught as if they are nominalists and relativists, which is easily rectified.

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Am I really the only one hoping for this? [:)]

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Am I really the only one hoping for this?

I am somewhat interested in reading these in Greek if they are morphologically tagged. My biblical Greek is okay but I think I would need assistance to read these in the original. Are you proficient enough to read it without tagging?

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Well, I"m in the reverse position [:)] I'm coming from a Classics background; and working to move into NT Greek.

To answer your question: yes, I was a Classics major and have studied Latin & Greek since Prep School (Philips Exeter etc) so I'm quite proficient in Classical/Attic Greek, and even more so in Homeric.

Having said that, it's nice to have tagging and so on because there are always words and forms that one runs across which are hazy or unclear or entirely opaque; either because one has partly completely forgotten; or, the text is unclear and no one is quite sure. Et cetera.

A contemporary classicist once said to me something along the lines of: “well, Greek is actually not a noun. It’s a verb, meaning to spend ones time endlessly rotating from text to lexicon to commentary to grammars.” That seems quite true to me. [:)]

In any case, my understanding is that the Logos Loebs will be fully tagged and all that - so, many people at different levels of learning should be able to make use of these volumes.

The 8 volume Homer Logos Loeb is Under Development: http://www.logos.com/product/31080/homers-iliad-and-odyssey

And many more are at various stages of development: http://www.logos.com/products/search?q=Loeb&start=0&sort=rel&pageSize=60

Indeed, it was the Perseus collection (and now the Loebs) that initially brought me here. I'm still trying to decide on what package would fit me best, lol.

Thanks for posting! [:)]

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Incidentally, reading Aristotle in the original can be tough going, even for lifelong scholars. So having a tagged text would be most welcome!

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Am I really the only one hoping for this?

Considering the fact that we are getting other Loeb editions of Greek authors, I would be surprised if this isn't coming down the pike.

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Thanks Butters. I am interested in trying to read the Greek classics and have already bought into Homer and others. I will keep an eye on Noet to see what else becomes available. I think tagging would be pretty much a must for me to keep my interest.

Where would you advise that I begin reading the classics? Any thoughts about approaching the classics in general?

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Considering the fact that we are getting other Loeb editions of Greek authors, I would be surprised if this isn't coming down the pike.

That's what I've been thinking George. I mean, it's not like their obscure or anything and are likely to be left behind. And yet, and yet....why aren't they in CP yet? [:^)]

I was hoping maybe that some interest would spur things along? LOL.

Anyway. Fingers. Crossed.

[:)]

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Considering the fact that we are getting other Loeb editions of Greek authors, I would be surprised if this isn't coming down the pike.

That's what I've been thinking George. I mean, it's not like their obscure or anything and are likely to be left behind. And yet, and yet....why aren't they in CP yet?

I was hoping maybe that some interest would spur things along? LOL.

Anyway. Fingers. Crossed.

You're right, we don't want any Left Behind—oops, that's already in Verso (I even have it). [:D]

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Where would you advise that I begin reading the classics? Any thoughts about approaching the classics in general?

Thanks Bruce. [:)]

Well, in my opinion the best way into the Classics is via Homer. This is true for many, many reasons. Indeed, this was the way, until relatively recently, that Ancient Greek was traditional taught: Homer -> Classical/Attic -> Koine.

I cut my teeth on Clyde Pharr's Homeric Greek - it has some issues but overall is excellent. It gets the student very quickly into translating and reading the Iliad; and it's VERY fast moving; but for someone who has classical grammar in their bones it's not so bad.

It can be found in pdf form all over the internet, for example: http://cdn.textkit.net/CP_Homeric_Greek_AR5.pdf

Besides the Middle Liddle (which you probably have, along with the LSJ), I would recommend as utterly indispensable (and wish I had it when I was learning): the John Jackson Interlinear Iliad. This is now the Logos version of the English Interlinear/tagged Iliad.

I would also recommend as nearly indispensable:

Cunliffe's A Lexicon of the Homeric Dialect
Robinson's Greek Verb Endings
Marinone's All the Greek Verbs
Wharton's Etymological Lexicon of Classical Greek
Sihler's New Comparative Grammar of Greek & Latin

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I cut my teeth on Clyde Pharr's Homeric Greek - it has some issues but overall is excellent. It gets the student very quickly into translating and reading the Iliad; and it's VERY fast moving; but for someone who has classical grammar in their bones it's not so bad.

This is still available. http://www.textkit.com/learn/ID/165/author_id/81/

It's free. Did I note that it doesn't cost anything? Free, free, free. [:)]

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Thanks for your recommendations and suggestions Butters. I am now more excited about getting Homer in Logos than I was before.

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Thanks for your recommendations and suggestions Butters. I am now more excited about getting Homer in Logos than I was before.

You're very welcome Bruce. Anytime you need anything, just shout.

I suppose the other resource I'd recommend specifically for Homer is Owen & Goodspeed's little book, Homeric Vocabularies: Greek and English Word-lists for the Study of Homer.

This is an invaluable little book - particularly with Homer because so many words are used over and over. And identifying the high frequency words can be very helpful.

I grew up on blizzards of 5x7 vocabulary cards; however, I do believe that software has improved this significantly; especially the sophisticated algorithms (based on spaced repetition research) that have been incorporated into programs.

The best of these, in my opinion, is Anki: http://ankisrs.net It's the most sophisticated, the most robust/reliable/bug free, the most flexible. It's solid as a rock; and works on pretty much all platforms. And very easy to import into.

Anyway, one can easily find the Owen & Goodspeed frequency lists already made - and for free - and import them into Anki.

Oh, and Anki is free too. But it's good to support them financially if you can. [:)]

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There are many Homeric Grammars and dictionaries; however, one that stands out is Monro's Grammar. It's a bit advanced but still helpful to "grow into."

Amazingly enough, Logos has this: http://www.logos.com/product/27094/homeric-grammar

As well as Smyth's Grammar: http://www.logos.com/product/27093/a-greek-grammar-for-colleges

Which is very impressive.

And makes me think that maybe Logos would want to incorporate some of the volumes I mentioned? Particularly Pharr? As George said, it is in the public domain. [:)]

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Well, in my opinion the best way into the Classics is via Homer.

Homer is an excellent choice. I do want Homers' writings in digital format. My favorite English version as a child was by Robert Fitzgerald, and I think this is still my preferred translation. I've not read any other versions in English, therefore, can't make comparisons. Do you have a favorite version in English? Maybe I should get a copy or sample readings by Robert Fagles?

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Butters, it's interesting your comment from Boston and the Bible.

As you probably know, the pattern is not new and seems to have been a major issue for the Alexandrians in the years leading up to the 'last days'.

A Logos resource I recommend is http://www.logos.com/product/17174/between-athens-and-jerusalem
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Collins is good. The volume is unusual in focusing upon the diaspora, instead of events in Palestine. And of course, there's a considerable discussion between the interplay of greek philosophy and jewish culture. I have good coverage in Palestine (2nd Temple) but this is new territory for me. Very interesting.

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Well, in my opinion the best way into the Classics is via Homer.

Homer is an excellent choice. I do want Homers' writings in digital format. My favorite English version as a child was by Robert Fitzgerald, and I think this is still my preferred translation. I've not read any other versions in English, therefore, can't make comparisons. Do you have a favorite version in English? Maybe I should get a copy or sample readings by Robert Fagles?

I prefer Fitzgerald for nostalgic reasons - like you, that's what I grew up reading as a child. I still have the same exact volume, now ratty and in pieces, but cherished. [:)]

As you know, once you study a language no translation seems tolerable. The translation that most scholars prefer is the Lattimore translation. First, it translates the Greek line by line; second it preserves Homer's formulas, which preserves some of the feel of Homer; third, the language is somewhat archaic and forbidding - this also, oddly, gives the sense of the original Greek, which is in a highly archaic and artificial dialect; fourth, Lattimore conveys Homer's hexameter meter somewhat, or at least gives the reader the sense of it. I have no argument with all of this.

Fagles is far too colloquial and doesn't capture much of anything in my opinion.

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Butters, it's interesting your comment from Boston and the Bible.

As you probably know, the pattern is not new and seems to have been a major issue for the Alexandrians in the years leading up to the 'last days'.

A Logos resource I recommend is http://www.logos.com/product/17174/between-athens-and-jerusalem
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Collins is good. The volume is unusual in focusing upon the diaspora, instead of events in Palestine. And of course, there's a considerable discussion between the interplay of greek philosophy and jewish culture. I have good coverage in Palestine (2nd Temple) but this is new territory for me. Very interesting.

Denise, thanks ever so much! [:)] That sounds like an excellent study - and very much look forward to reading it; touches on many interests of mine and about which I have a great deal to learn. Tertullian's question is still ringing in our ears, isn't it? [:D]

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The translation that most scholars prefer is the Lattimore translation

Since I neither read nor speak Greek, I'd say to Logos company, bring Richmond Lattimore's modern translations of Homer, The Odyssey and The Illiad, into its inventory!

[:)]

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Well, if Stephen Daitz likes Rodney Merrill's translation then that's saying a lot: http://www.amazon.com/The-Iliad-Rodney-Merrill/dp/0472033980/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375197856&sr=8-1&keywords=Rodney+Merrill+iliad

His blurb says:

[quote]"Other competent translations of Homer exist, but none accomplish what Merrill aims for: to convey to the reader-listener in translation the meaning and the sounds of Homer, coming as close as possible to the poetry of the original. Merrill accomplishes this virtuosic achievement by translating Homer's Greek into English hexameters, a process requiring not only a full understanding of the original Greek, but also an unusual mastery of the sounds, rhythms, and nuances of English."

One thing to keep in mind, however, is that meter in English is accentual; and relentlessly so; while Homeric meters are syllabic. And there's quite a chasm betwixt the two.

Also, of course, Homeric has pitch accents and many other phonemic qualities that give the language a unique sound that cannot be rendered at all in English.

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The translation that most scholars prefer is the Lattimore translation

Since I neither read nor speak Greek, I'd say to Logos company, bring Richmond Lattimore's modern translations of Homer, The Odyssey and The Illiad, into its inventory!

I think that would be an excellent choice David. However, you can learn Greek! Lots of peeps like me are eager to help too! I love teaching because it helps me learn. [:)]

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I think that would be an excellent choice David. However, you can learn Greek! Lots of peeps like me are eager to help too! I love teaching because it helps me learn.

Once you learn a few basics of Greek, I would recommend joining in the discussion at http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/ and / or http://textkit.com/. I'm sure you will find a number of persons there who are willing to mislead, er …help you. I'm, of course, joking about misleading, but you should be careful about listening uncritically to others who are nearly in the same boat. Get a good grammar such as Smyth and check everything.

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edit: whatever. lol. [:)]

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Whom are you addressing George? LOL?

I've been reading Ancient Greek since high school; and read Classics at Oxford; so I'm fairly proficient and would be a fairly good and reliable teacher methinks.

I've already mentioned Smyth and quite a few other resources. Smyth, by the way, is a bit advanced for beginners to "check."

Did you read the thread?

Of course I was talking about you [NOT]. [;)] I'm talking about others who frequent the sites. B-greek has monitors who are fairly proficient in Greek (I was slated to be one, but I didn't like the new format so I told them I wasn't interested). I'm not sure what the situation is on textkit. Like you I began with classical Greek and Homer (Greek major)—actually first a grammar course using Crosby and Schaeffer with readings from easy authors such as Xenophon then Homer and Plato. Additionally, I had a NT professor in cemetery who was a real bug about being able to read the Greek so I got a couple more years of Greek there.

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Of course I was talking about you [NOT]. I'm talking about others who frequent the sites. B-greek has monitors who are fairly proficient in Greek (I was slated to be one, but I didn't like the new format so I told them I wasn't interested). I'm not sure what the situation is on textkit. Like you I began with classical Greek and Homer (Greek major)—actually first a grammar course using Crosby and Schaeffer with readings from easy authors such as Xenophon then Homer and Plato. Additionally, I had a NT professor in cemetery who was a real bug about being able to read the Greek so I got a couple more years of Greek there.

ah, I see. My bad. I haven't spent much time on Textkit - actually, now that I'm moving into Koine/NT, maybe I'll spend some time at that B-greek site. Starting Greek with Xenophon would be tough-slogging methinks.

Are there discussion forums on NT Greek here on Logos? Or groups, or whatnot?

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Are there discussion forums on NT Greek here on Logos? Or groups, or whatnot?

B-greek is a forum where questions can be posed and discussed. Textkit has some groups which attempt to carry on conversations in Greek (Hence my avoidance of them). Textkit also has a number of resources available.

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Please add me to those who would like to see Plato and Aristotle in Greek Loeb editions. In fact, I'm kind of surprised they didn't roll these out at the very first: if you're going to promote Noet using Plato and Aristotle, why wouldn't you make the effort to scan and tag the Greek too? I imagine a lot of the target audience for the new offer are people who are less interested in antiquated public domain translations (both of which I bought in CP) than they are getting access to the original language tools.

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"Tertullian's question is still ringing in our ears." I probably missed out on that one (due to deep-sixing him, after his disaffection with the Montanists ... the last group to truly understand the early church).

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Considering the fact that we are getting other Loeb editions of Greek authors, I would be surprised if this isn't coming down the pike.

That's what I've been thinking George. I mean, it's not like their obscure or anything and are likely to be left behind. And yet, and yet....why aren't they in CP yet?

Have the translators been dead long enough for them to be in Public Domain?

I haven't checked, but I kind of assumed that the reason we got another edition was that Loeb isn't PD yet.

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Have the translators been dead long enough for them to be in Public Domain?

I haven't checked, but I kind of assumed that the reason we got another edition was that Loeb isn't PD yet.

Not in all cases. E.g. Plato's Republic has a 2013 publication date. They might be able to use its predecessor, however, since I'm sure this wasn't the first translation.

Michael Grigoni

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At the time we began listing the Loeb collections, we decided to hold off on the Loeb editions of Plato and Aristotle because we had just listed the Jowett edition of Plato's dialogues, and the Ross edition of Aristotle's works. I'm glad to know that there's interest in the Loeb editions, however. We'll keep that in mind, although I believe both were a case in which not all of the volumes are in the public domain.

If others are interested in seeing these in Logos/Noet, please let me know in this thread!

Also, it's good to know that there's interest in Lattimore's translations of Homer. I'll see what can be done.

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Thanks for chiming in and letting us know your thinking about this. I'm looking forward to seeing what you will produce in the future. Sounds exciting!

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Also, it's good to know that there's interest in Lattimore's translations of Homer. I'll see what can be done.

thank you Mike.

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However, you can learn Greek! Lots of peeps like me are eager to help too!

I've always wanted a liberal (arts) education. Gone are the days when the study of men (edit: and women) consisted of theology, mathematics, engineering, and the Western classics.

Learning Greek is an option, but unfortunately, I'm not able to invest in the time. [:(]

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However, you can learn Greek! Lots of peeps like me are eager to help too!

I've always wanted a liberal (arts) education. Gone are the days when the study of men (edit: and women) consisted of theology, mathematics, engineering, and the Western classics.

Learning Greek is an option, but unfortunately, I'm not able to invest in the time.

It doesn't take much time—only 23 hrs/day. You get to sleep for an hour. [;)]

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You get to sleep for an hour.

If I were as young as you, George, I might be able to survive that schedule.

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...or not.

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Please add me to those who would like to see Plato and Aristotle in Greek Loeb editions. In fact, I'm kind of surprised they didn't roll these out at the very first: if you're going to promote Noet using Plato and Aristotle, why wouldn't you make the effort to scan and tag the Greek too? I imagine a lot of the target audience for the new offer are people who are less interested in antiquated public domain translations (both of which I bought in CP) than they are getting access to the original language tools.

Very well said Greg - this has long puzzled me too. [:)]

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"Tertullian's question is still ringing in our ears." I probably missed out on that one (due to deep-sixing him, after his disaffection with the Montanists ... the last group to truly understand the early church).

Well, he was the one who asked "What hath Athens to do with Jerusalem" and went on to argue that they have noting to do at all with each other; and that indeed philosophy was more or less not only incompatible with revealed scripture, but alas the work of demons.

So, I'm not a big fan of his. [:)]

Nevertheless, the question itself has been a very fruitful one over the centuries.

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Well, I can check this but Aristotle and Plato were almost certainly included in the first round of original Loebs - and they are undoubtedly in the PD at this point.

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although I believe both were a case in which not all of the volumes are in the public domain.

Thanks for your post Mike. [:)]

The original round of Loebs in the early 20th century must be in the PD by now, methinks. I'd be glad to check on this though.

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However, you can learn Greek! Lots of peeps like me are eager to help too!

I've always wanted a liberal (arts) education. Gone are the days when the study of men (edit: and women) consisted of theology, mathematics, engineering, and the Western classics.

Learning Greek is an option, but unfortunately, I'm not able to invest in the time.

One thing to keep in mind is that it's actually very difficult to put long hours into language study, and not nearly as effective in the long run; much better off doing 1/2 to an hour a day. Most everyone can do so; but it does take a kind of insane discipline to do that every day for years. However, it would open up worlds upon worlds David. [:)]

To be perfectly honest, it is exceedingly rare for anyone to have a genuine liberal arts education, in ANY age. The people who truly did in the past were a decidedly small minority. Same is true today; even more so perhaps.

However, it is NEVER too late to start on obtaining a liberal arts education; and it's never something you permanently have anyway; rather it's a process and a way of life.

If I can ever be of any help, just give me a shout. Many hugs to thee.

Cheers,

Butters [:)]

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Please add me to those who would like to see Plato and Aristotle in Greek Loeb editions. In fact, I'm kind of surprised they didn't roll these out at the very first: if you're going to promote Noet using Plato and Aristotle, why wouldn't you make the effort to scan and tag the Greek too? I imagine a lot of the target audience for the new offer are people who are less interested in antiquated public domain translations (both of which I bought in CP) than they are getting access to the original language tools.

Very well said Greg - this has long puzzled me too.

....and, well, still puzzles me. [:)]

The Lattimore translations are very good, as I mentioned above. However, Lattimore's translations can be found in used bookstores for next to nothing; and the advantages accrued to the reader by reading a translation in Logos seem marginal at best.

On the other hand, the advantages of having a tagged text, and the ability to bring to bear all of the original language tools of Logos to bear on that text, are well-neigh tremendous. It seems to me that this is where Logos really shines. And where Logos ought to focus.

Yes, I am a broken record.....lol [:D]

Okay, so as far as Plato and Aristotle and public Domain:

First, allow me to introduce to you a wonderful resource: http://www.edonnelly.com/google.html

And within this resource, most conveniently, we find the old Loebs listed here: http://www.edonnelly.com/loebs.html

If we look at, say, The Republic, we find this: http://archive.org/details/republicshorey01platuoft

As far as I know, all of the old Loebs have been replaced - most of mine (and I have many, many Loebs) all date from the 1990s, I believe. I have an old catalog of Loeb publications; the catalog is dated 1979, and most of the volumes in the catalog predate WWI, and certainly WWII.

So I should think that pretty much every Aristotle and Plato volume of the early Loebs are now in the PD.

~Butters [:)]

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One thing to keep in mind is that it's actually very difficult to put long hours into language study, and not nearly as effective in the long run; much better off doing 1/2 to an hour a day. Most everyone can do so; but it does take a kind of insane discipline to do that every day for years.

This is so true when it comes to learning anything. A little bit every day can make a huge difference in learning and especially learning a language. Over the last several years I have created a reading plan in Logos to read my Greek NT through each year and this has really helped.

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One thing to keep in mind is that it's actually very difficult to put long hours into language study, and not nearly as effective in the long run; much better off doing 1/2 to an hour a day. Most everyone can do so; but it does take a kind of insane discipline to do that every day for years.

This is so true when it comes to learning anything. A little bit every day can make a huge difference in learning and especially learning a language. Over the last several years I have created a reading plan in Logos to read my Greek NT through each year and this has really helped.

Yes, it's a kind of temptation to believe otherwise: that one can cram 10 years worth of language study in 3 months, but it just ain't so. The brain doesn't work that way, particularly with languages. Kudos to you Bruce for realizing this and creating a system to discipline yourself.

Milford Charles Murray

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Peace, Guys!

This is a bit, off topic ... *smile* sorry!

However, I'd like to bring back to my life some of the joy of having read Homer in the original in the 1950's ....

I'm having great difficulty with Homer's hexameter... although a long time ago I thought I had it "under control."

So I've been going on the internet to find some sites for practise and am having difficulty finding a site that is "clear" enough and "slow" enough to be helpful to me ...

So do you know of any sites like this one that are a bit "clearer" and "slower" until I possibly regain some of my obviously lost skills ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSDO9FnWFWA

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Hello Milford! [:)]

So glad to find a fellow lover of Ancient Greek!

Well, the best way to explore this is to start with Professor Stephen Daitz, Professor Emeritus of Classical Languages, City University of New York.

You are probably going to find that the Ancient Greek pronunciation is a bit different - a lot has changed scholarship wise in the intervening years. I know Oxford Dons who won't have anything to do with the "restored" pronunciation. However, he does go into some of the basic reasons for why the "restored" makes sense.

If I were you, I'd start with The Pronunciation and Reading of Ancient Greek. It's not too expensive - I'd upload it but I hate to cheat them of what is probably badly needed $. What he has done is really a service to scholarship and humanity.

So, here's where you go for the downloads: http://ipodius.bolchazy.com/Audio/LivingVoice.html. There are also CD versions of his recordings, but I figure peeps would probably prefer mp3 downloads.

Anyway, in the above short course he brings you through the "restored" pronunciation and then step by step getting into the hexameter: pitch accents, the syllabic meter, the various phonemic distinctions he'll teach you to make.

And you'll be reciting Ancient Greek AGAIN in no time!

So happy to be of service to you sir. [:)] And hope we can share this love of this magnificent language and the works it encompasses.

Cheers,

~Whiffles

As

Milford Charles Murray

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Peace! Incredibly great! I'll write more later, probably tomorrow! Thanks very kindly! *smile*

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Peace! Incredibly great! I'll write more later, probably tomorrow! Thanks very kindly! *smile*

This reminds me of a scene from the opera Amahl and the Night Visitors (the three kings).

A Chorus of Shepherds, Villagers and Dancers arrive with baskets of fruits and vegetables for the Kings, “Olives and quinces, apples and raisins, nutmeg and myrtle, medlars and chestnuts, this is all we shepherds can offer you.” The grateful Kings sing their appreciation, “Thank you, thank you, thank you kindly.”

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Peace! Incredibly great! I'll write more later, probably tomorrow! Thanks very kindly! *smile*

This reminds me of a scene from the opera Amahl and the Night Visitors (the three kings).

A Chorus of Shepherds, Villagers and Dancers arrive with baskets of fruits and vegetables for the Kings, “Olives and quinces, apples and raisins, nutmeg and myrtle, medlars and chestnuts, this is all we shepherds can offer you.” The grateful Kings sing their appreciation, “Thank you, thank you, thank you kindly.”

This thread should be named: all things classical studies; and opera too. And maybe a bit of Bach thrown in.

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