Thoughts on L6 Starter vs Feature Crossgrade

I’m doing a bit of research on whether or not to upgrade to L6, I pretty much decided that Starter would be fine unless I go for the L6 Feature Crossgrade. Anything higher seems to have a massive amount of extraneous resources which I have no use for. Of course, the salesperson at Logos wants me to go Bronze stating that I would not receive Factbook, Universal Timeline, etc. But reading a few of these threads it appears that Factbook and Timeline have problems. Just wondering and looking for a few thoughts and advice. Also, is there a way to compare L6 Starter and L6 Feature Crossgrade?

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Graham Criddle

I’m doing a bit of research on whether or not to upgrade to L6

For a start have you installed the free core engine available at https://www.logos.com/product/46767/logos-6-core-engine

Anything higher seems to have a massive amount of extraneous resources which I have no use for.

And that's an important assessment as only you can determine what is of real value to you

Of course, the salesperson at Logos wants me to go Bronze stating that I would not receive Factbook, Universal Timeline, etc

As you are probably aware Factbook is available with the core engine (but limited by your library) and Universal Timeline is also available in the Core Upgrade.

But reading a few of these threads it appears that Factbook and Timeline have problems

As per my comment in the other thread where you raised this I wouldn't let any such problems put you off. They work well and provide useful functionality albeit there are some issues. Are there any specific issues which concern you?

Also, is there a way to compare L6 Starter and L6 Feature Crossgrade?

You can do this at https://www.logos.com/compare?productIds=43516,45041 - basically use the "Select and Compare" button on the Logos 6 page.

Are there particular features you are interested in in any of these packages?

Deacon Steve

Dave M, It's hard to know how to comment without knowing how you use Logos now and what you envision. I'm not sure what problems Factbook and TImeline have that are dissuading you at the moment. Just in case, did you look through the Features page? It has lots of info and you can expand to get more detail for much of it. That may help you. Or you can reply back with more detail on your use and perhaps others can offer guidance.

Mike Binks

Anything higher seems to have a massive amount of extraneous resources which I have no use for.

It is surprising how often this 'extraneous' material pops up as a link from a resource and provides just the explanation one is looking for.

Dave M

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/725586#Comment_725586

Graham, thanks for this. I don't believe I have installed the free core engine (which probably means I have not). So if Factbook and Universal Timeline are included, that's good. Thanks for the link to compare. After browsing through that, I would appear that the Starter would be better. I'm not into Media and a lot of Data - except for the instruction videos. Just so you know, I pastor a small SBC church in Ohio and as of now I do all the teaching so I get focused more on commentaries and the like. Thanks for taking the time for such a comprehensive response. Greatly aids in the decision.

Dave M

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/725589#Comment_725589

Thanks, Mike. I might just have to take my chances.

Dave M

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/725588#Comment_725588

Steve, I guess I won't get too concerning with performance. That can always be corrected. I've been with Logos for about three years now and never really had a problem. I use Logos 5 now and for sermon and teaching prep.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/725600#Comment_725600

I don't believe I have installed the free core engine (which probably means I have not)

I'd go ahead and do it - you get the benefits of some of the new features and this is where bug fixes are going to happen in general.

So if Factbook and Universal Timeline are included, that's good.

To clarify - Factbook is included in the core engine but Universal Timeline is not. That needs Bronze or one of the Crossgrades

Just so you know, I pastor a small SBC church in Ohio and as of now I do all the teaching so I get focused more on commentaries and the like

That's helpful. Some of the things you get in the Core Upgrade not included in Starter are:

The Bible Books dataset
The Preaching Themes dataset
The Thematic Outlines dataset
The TImeline Dataset

all of which may be helpful in preparing for teaching / preaching.

But they don't include the commentaries you get in Starter - but you may already have the commentaries you need.

From a pricing perspective it will all vary depending on what you already have

Thanks for taking the time for such a comprehensive response. Greatly aids in the decision.

You're welcome - pleased to help

Graham

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/725586#Comment_725586

But reading a few of these threads it appears that Factbook and Timeline have problems

As per my comment in the other thread where you raised this I wouldn't let any such problems put you off. They work well and provide useful functionality albeit there are some issues. Are there any specific issues which concern you?

I will take responsibility for having fanned the flames of doubts about Factbook and Timeline when I wrote "Timeline and Factbook are both feature areas that have received quite a bit of flak for not being fully fleshed out when they first were released" on this other thread. But I won't take responsibility for starting it. Bootjack posted about "the slow fix for Timeline / Factbook" and I confess I don't really know what he was referring to. So Dave is probably concerned about these features for no particular reasons he's aware of but only due to these rumors.

I'd like to hear from Bootjack specifically what he meant.

My comment was based on vague memories of people complaining that:

Timeline is a somewhat limited feature as it stands. Not that it's buggy, but that it doesn't include the ability to create one's own timelines like Logos 3 (Libronix) had. MJ Smith could comment more about that, as I know it's been something she's wanted for a long time. Also it seems to be missing some people/events that one would have expected to be there. Here are some threads with complaints or suggestions for enhancements of the Timeline feature:
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/101172.aspx
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/94929.aspx
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/76599.aspx
Factbook has had a relatively high number of bugs reported, but just my subjective sense is that they are being fixed almost as fast as they're being reported. There are still a few open threads where users have complained about "by design" functionality or reported bugs which haven't been tracked down or fixed yet:
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/94883.aspx
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/97647.aspx
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/102342.aspx
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/103735.aspx - got a "will look into" reply but not acknowledged as a bug yet
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/101465.aspx - acknowledged but not reported fixed yet
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/104626.aspx - Faithlife has acknowledged they still have work to do here
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/99914.aspx
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/102259.aspx
Perhaps more. I got tired of looking.

Dave M

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/725718#Comment_725718

Rosie, Well, thanks ... I guess. I did not try to open a can or worms or put snakes on a plane. Just kinda wanted to get a few thoughts on some features of L6.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/725936#Comment_725936

I'd like to point out that the features that get the most complaints are often features that work well and are used a great deal - hence the problems are noticed. I've become wary of newer features without complaints ... it may be they work so badly they aren't used much. [:#]