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My initial reaction is I am very excited about this Logos upgrade, using it already and it makes my work 10 times easier, switching back and forth with a slide of the finger to all my resources. Keep up the good work, I mainly work on IPad 12.9 and this test app is a great improvement for my studies.
Sorry for the lack of spacing between paragraphs in my last comment! It looked fine when I was composing it on my phone!
I will say that if you're viewing a resource with the swiping mode rather than scrolling mode, it's a tad counterintuitive that you need to use two fingers to swipe (one finger changes tabs) - I think that would make more sense if you swapped the one-finger/two finger interactions.
Your right about this. When the app ships, here's how it will work: If you're set to paging: 1 finger swipe to change page, two finger swipe to change resource. If you're set to scrolling: 1 finger swipe changes resource. Two finger swipe changes resource. The majority of people use scrolling mode.
I don't find myself using the atlas often in the existing app, but when the vector maps roll out, I expect to view them more often, and when that happens, I'll definitely want the option of viewing them full-screen (especially when using a phone-screen) so I hope that gets added as an option for a new tab rather than just a pop-over.
This is the direction we're going: most tools, resources, and documents should open in a new tab.
That sounds perfect, yeah.
One issue I keep having - when using the text comparison tool, it will generally load up to requested verse, but after a second or two (without any interaction from me) it will jump back several verses.
So just now, I typed in the reference for Genesis 32:20, and it displays those verses for under two seconds before it scrolls up to Genesis 32:7.
This happens consistently, regardless of which collection I compare, or whether I type the passage manually or open the guide to a reference from the bible verse context menu.
Sorry for my ignorance! What is LogosNext?
I believe the beta for the next major release of Logos Mobile. LogosNext v6. Possibly, only available on TestFlight(?); at least I don't see it on the Android Beta channel. I would have liked to join in the testing on my iPad, if it were open.
Glad to see the nice work that has been done on this new version. Here are some initial thoughts:
Really excited to see this initial work so far. nice job team.
While the library icon (on the bottom) is great for quickly opening a resource in a new tab, it would still be nice to tap on the book name at the top of the window to change the resource of the current tab (already at the desired reference)
This is something we hear a lot, and a fix is coming.
Could you clarify the functionality of the Logos icon button at the bottom center of the window. I initially though it was a quick link to the first tab in the list, but that doesn't seem to hold true in all cases.
It's "the Bible" button. A common complaint we here about the current app is that it's difficult to make your way back to the Bible. That button with 1.) Open your preferred Bible in a new tab (if it isn't open) OR 2.) Open the last used instance of your preferred Bible.
It would also be nice on the Book-Chapter-Verse selection screen to have a button labeled "open in new tab" that could be pressed before selecting the verse. This would be nice in a situation whenever you are asked to turn to a different passage, but you would like to preserve your current tab (location).
We're exploring a solution where we give you an option to open in a new tab or your existing tab.
I'm loving it so far!
Great things:
Suggestions
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Love your work guys. Feels like a great direction to be heading!
Hmmm... would it be better to keep behaviour consistent... 2 finger swipe always changes resources?
I will switch between scrolling and page turning, and suspect I will find myself making the wrong gesture frequently.
When would V6 come out?
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We don't normally comment about release dates, but I can tell you that we'll release it "when it's ready". We WILL be releasing V6 to a public beta fairly soon-- I'll send you an invite when we do.
Have not used this, but it sounds great so far. Any chance that among these changes is the ability on Android to select which lines get displayed/hidden for interlinear resources? Can't wait to try this out!
I’d love to get in on the beta as well! Excited!
That's the plan. Two-finger swipe always changes tabs. But in scrolling mode, one-finger swipe is unused. To make it even more convenient for scrollers, one-finger swipe will also change tabs in scrolling mode. If you bounce back and forth between scrolling and paging, using two-finger swipe will be your best bet. But if you use scrolling consistently, you'll probably like the convenience of one-finger swipe to change tabs.
Hmm... sometimes to check what mode I'm in, I try swiping with one finger. I think this will be disorientating. I think consistency = user friendly ... But... up to you guys!
More than that I care about Quick and offline lookup of Greek and Hebrew words. That is the real deal breaker / point of differentiation between logos and Accompetitor. With one long press in the Accompetitor app, I have the word parsed, glossed, and the lexicon entry opened. Instantly and offline. That's something Logos really could use!!
Congrats on these new features! Definitely a major improvement. Some suggestions...
1. On the view where you can see all your open tabs, I would like to be able to drag a tab that has a single resource in it on top of another tab with a single resource, and get the option to transform them into a single tab with two resources. You could allow the user to determine which resource will end up on which side simply by whether they drag it to the left or right hand side of the tab.
2. On the view where you can see all your open tabs, I suggest that closing a resource of a dual-resource tab leave that half of the tab empty, but still in dual-resource mode, with a link to open a book on that half (as it currently does on the right-hand-side after selecting the two vertical bars). So, if you close the left-hand resource, that half is empty. If you close the right-hand resource, that half is empty. Then, you could simply make the two vertical lines button appear in the upper-right-hand corner, allowing users to toggle between dual and single modes. Or, if a user taps on "Done" with one half of the tab empty, the tab then switches automatically to single-resource mode.
3. It might be nice to have some way to switch which resource is on the left and which is on the right of a tab with two resources. I tried to do this intuitively by tapping and dragging on the book title in the view where you can see all your open tabs, but it doesn't allow it. One could imagine that there if you tap and drag on the book title, that would activate dragging the resource around within the tab (or even moving it to another tab... cf. my first suggestion), while tapping and dragging anywhere else on the tab would drag the entire tab to change tab order.
4. I agree that when in scrolling mode, either one or two finger swiping should switch tabs, and that when in page-swipe view, single swipe should be for a page swipe, and double swipe for a tab swipe.
You need to be invited to join the LogosNext Beta.
I requested an invite, but haven't had one yet. I'd be glad to participate, though.
I requested an invite, but haven't had one yet.
The email will come from Apple, not FL. Have you checked carefully for it?
Hello all,
I've been playing with the LogosNext app and I wanted to say—awesome job! It's fresh and exciting but also easy to use!
A couple of thoughts:
1. Like everyone else is saying, page turning should be a one finger swipe and changing tabs should be a two finger swipe.
2. I love how clean the pages are now, but there should be a header option so you know which resource is open and where you are. Maybe the resource's short name and chapter/verse? As I was changing tabs to different commentaries I couldn't tell which commentary was which. See mockup below.
3. You can't link a Text Comparison tab to the other tabs. That would be a nice feature!
4. I noticed that something that is broken in the non-beta app got fixed (which is great!). When previewing a cross reference in the ESV, LORD (for Yahweh in the OT) now says "LORD" instead of "Lord" (Adonai) which has been misleading. Glad to see this fixed in LogosNext.
5. Lastly (and not super important), I wish more fonts were available. Even just a sans-serif option would be welcomed. That being said, I do love the default font.
Awesome job, team. Thanks for all you do!
I've been on the beta using Testflight but it's not there for me either. How does one request an invite? I guess if I don't know, I'm not likely to get one. Kind of like fight club?
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I've been on the beta using Testflight but it's not there for me either. How does one request an invite?
Technically, it isn't a "beta," but an "alpha." I have been told that FL is waiting for approval from Apple for the update to shift over to the regular beta channel, at which point you (should) have access to it. This could be within days.
Do you want the reports here limited to what is listed in the App Description, What to look for, section?
I really love the direction and new aesthetic. I didn't think I'd like tabs on mobile, but WOW! Really nice work.
I'm doing this at work so, just a few quick observations:
Some of this may be me getting acclimated to a different way of navigation, but these are a few impressions:
Could you clarify the functionality of the Logos icon button at the bottom center of the window.
Thank You!!!
I didn't think I'd like tabs on mobile, but WOW! Really nice work.
"Tabs" isn't really the right word... "desktops" comes closer, but isn't quite right either.
Workspace?
Better, I think. I reserve the right to change my mind. [:)]
Nope, nope! You're locked in now!
I didn't think I'd like tabs on mobile, but WOW! Really nice work. "Tabs" isn't really the right word... "desktops" comes closer, but isn't quite right either.
Yeah. When tabs were mentioned long ago, I kept thinking of those clunky file cabinet tabs like we have on desktop. All I could imagine was a big clunky interface. This is smooth. Now that I say that I wanna go try and find if there’s a limit to number of tabs/desktops/workspaces...
Is anyone having trouble with the splitter bar? I keep missing it. Maybe my small fingers? It needs a big invisible grab area to widen it. I think I’m getting better but it’s a pain.
How do you find the slider on a new tab?
There currently isn't one, not sure if one is planned
How do you find the slider on a new tab? There currently isn't one, not sure if one is planned
Not sure what you mean? If it's the slider for the top/bottom windows (is that the right word?), then open tab view and press the two boxes in the top right corner to display the slider.
Apologies if I've misunderstood.
How do you find the slider on a new tab? There currently isn't one, not sure if one is planned.
There currently isn't one, not sure if one is planned.
thanks Graham.
the reason I asked is because there is one on the first tab, the one that is there when the app opens.
I'm still trying to figure out how to change books or Bibles in that first tab.
How do you find the slider on a new tab? There currently isn't one, not sure if one is planned Not sure what you mean? If it's the slider for the top/bottom windows (is that the right word?), then open tab view and press the two boxes in the top right corner to display the slider. Apologies if I've misunderstood.
thanks James. That is what I was looking for.
Definately not that easy to find.
I have seen Apple mentioned several times on this thread and am confused. Are all the wonderful changes that are being discussed only available on Apple devices? If so, I would assume Android support will follow at some point?
Yes, Android is coming soon. The final release will be simultaneous with iOS. We're just ahead on iOS.
How about My Tag editing access?
Before I give my first impressions, I'll just say that I'm delighted that there's a multi-tabbed interface. I've been wanting that for a long, long time (without realising it!). It answers a lot of my frustrations. That said…
My first 15 minutes with the app were frustrating to say the least. I encountered the following issues:
To end with a positive, I absolutely love how quick it is to move to a different tab (although I think we'd be better off calling these 'panels'). That answers my #1 frustration with the existing app. The library also seems much more responsive. That answers my #2 frustration.
BIG THANKS to everyone who has been providing detailed feedback. We can't respond to every individual comment, but please know that we're reading each and every one. Here's why it's helpful:
This IS a beta, and we are currently working on several things that you have mentioned in your critical feedback. Some things just aren't ready yet. In fact, we just shipped an update that impacted some animations, gestures, ect.
Looking forward to chatting more.
The library very frequently jumped to the top when I scrolled down. It made it almost impossible to choose resources below the fold. It's calmed down now, but was very annoying for at least 10 minutes.
I know this is annoying. It's a known issue. It happens when you're library is loading. Moving forward, we want to do a better job of indicating to people when their library is loading and when/if it will impact performance in some way.
Because the UI only comes up when you scroll down (not if you scroll up), it's hard to get the UI to appear when you're at the beginning of the resource.
Also a known issue. We're addressing this.
The animation when you tap the blue button gives the appearance you're going one tab to the left/right, regardless of how many tabs there actually are. I would prefer a more realistic animation.
We are working on an interaction here.
Yes, Please. Was disappointed that it did not work that way [:(]
Is there a way to be invited still or is it limited in who can be sent an invite? Thanks!
Is there a way to be invited still or is it limited in who can be sent an invite?
I don't speak for FL, but from another post it doesn't sound like more invites will be given out for the Alpha... but the beta should be available soon. Are you a beta test using TestFlight? My guess is that you could receive an invite to that if you want. All warnings should be heeded, however.
Thanks James
I had missed that. Very helpful, Graham
Hi Daniel
So far I have only used the beta for reading in scrolling mode however I am finding the proclivity of the top and bottom bars to appear for almost every touch of the screen a bit of a distraction.
I sometimes like to move a paragraph that I have read (and think I have understood) off the screen and find that the top bar has obscured my new start point.
Please will the team take a look at this behaviour perhaps making the bars only appear after a short 'tap' and avoiding the appearing at the start of a 'drag'?
I'm not sure if the topic guide is trying to tell me something, but every time I type in a search for "Gluttony", it changes it to "Love" and gives me the results for that.
It seems to do the same regardless of what topic I search for. Really odd.
