Introducing Faithlife Connect
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Having not received the explanatory email/coupon code, or a response to a query about the email, I'm nagging one more time. Feeling frozen out by more than our northern Alberta weather.
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Marshall Harrison said:
One final question: How do I get a list of the feature set that came my Silver Library purchase?
Marshall, your Silver Library does not contain any features. Libraries and feature sets were split up as distinct products for Logos 7, so that customers like yourself could choose to only pay for books, and stay on the subscription model for features.
Having said that, I took the liberty of checking your account, and I can see that you also purchased a perpetual license for the Logos 7 Starter Feature Set. You can see for yourself which features you don't have a permanent license to at https://www.logos.com/compare/feature-sets?productIds=121388,120029,124703 ; anything that is listed as "New to You," you currently have a subscription license to, but not a permanent license.
Marshall Harrison said:If I'm not gong to lose any features in this change then I am a lot happier. I will continue to add books and features ad God provides but I'll move away from the subscription service aspects.
Please remember that you won't lose any features from your current subscription until it expires in November. You don't have to make any decision before then; but of course if you prefer, you can use your credit coupon at any time towards an upgrade purchase of the Full Feature Set.
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Sean said:Rob Lambert said:
STOP beating each other up....
Bob is not your Pastor, Faithlife is not your church.... He can change the rules and you can leave. What you shouldn't do is beat him up any further..,
No one is beating Bob up. Customers--some who have spent tens of thousands of dollars, and some who have been with Logos for two decades, are expressing their displeasure with this change, and why. You don't need to rush to Bob's defense; he can handle it.
Well said Sean
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Dustin Pearson said:Rob Lambert said:
Bob is not your Pastor, Faithlife is not your church.... He can change the rules and you can leave. What you shouldn't do is beat him up any further..,
Correct, but he is the owner of a product he is trying to sell. And you are correct he can change things if he wants, but we have every right to disagree and voice that disagreement in order to possibly come to a better agreement, especially for those of us that have supported Logos to this point. Last resort we want, and he wants is for us to leave.
And really once again this is their own fault. Once again Bob's email should have came out now and the changes should have gone into affect in November, or if they wanted to start it now, months ago. But once again hit everyone with a major change and wait for the dust to settle, guess they will never learn.
You are right Dustin, Faithlife never learn, they have no idea how to communicate with their customers. The feedback are getting is deserved and it's their own fault. We have a right to disagree with and voice our disagreement with this decision.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
I can say that we will do our best to level the playing field between owning and subscribing. We don't want to put features out of reach for our owners by limiting them to subscriptions. There might be a few minor cases where that is unavoidable, but our goal is to provide the same feature experience to both audiences.
You haven't done anywhere near your level best at the moment Phil. Owners are being punished for being owners. Simple fact no matter which way you want to paint it. Stop believe your own press and start remembering what it is to be a customer.
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Disciple of Christ (doc) said:Sean said:Rob Lambert said:
STOP beating each other up....
Bob is not your Pastor, Faithlife is not your church.... He can change the rules and you can leave. What you shouldn't do is beat him up any further..,
No one is beating Bob up. Customers--some who have spent tens of thousands of dollars, and some who have been with Logos for two decades, are expressing their displeasure with this change, and why. You don't need to rush to Bob's defense; he can handle it.
Well said Sean
You are right. I reread Bob's statements.
This has the effect of punishing folks who have a good purchased library. The 200 bonus covers 1/3 of the cost of the feature set in Logos 7 with nothing for books or features not in Logos 7 such as lemma in passage. It is in the palabra of the bankruptcy world a Cram Down. Take it or leave it.
Despite the denials my bet is that Logos will be 100 percent subscription in the near term....at least if you want good tools and easy coordination with your operating system.
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Mattillo said:
Just curious but do you plan to add more books overtime to the free classical and free lexham selections in connect?
Faithlife Ebooks Originals (Lexham Press) will turn over every month with ~20 different titles. We may evolve that over time but that's the plan for now.
Faithlife Ebooks Classics will largely stay the same for the time being. Again, we may evolve that over time.
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Avi Lebedev said:
Do we get a permanent license for the free monthly books (Lexham + classic) or will it disappear once we cancel the subscription?
You will have permanent ownership. We will distribute codes for you to use and choose which books you want to use. Once you "purchase" that book with your code, its yours forever.
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Hey Chris,
I have to yet to receive any emails regarding Faithlife Connect. Can you look into this for me when you get a moment?
Thanks,
Cliff
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Clifford B. Kvidahl said:
Hey Chris,
I have to yet to receive any emails regarding Faithlife Connect. Can you look into this for me when you get a moment?
Thanks,
Cliff
Hi Cliff and others who are wondering about their emails, please see my post here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/160589.aspx
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Why cant we use our Logos Now coupons for book purchases? I'm not interested in putting it towards a feature set or a subscription.
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Marshall Harrison said:
Why cant we use our Logos Now coupons for book purchases? I'm not interested in putting it towards a feature set or a subscription.
In case you don’t get an official answer, here’s my guess. The features and data sets go directly to faith life. When you purchase a book, it is going to the publisher primarily, and Faithlife secondary.
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Marshall Harrison said:
Why cant we use our Logos Now coupons for book purchases? I'm not interested in putting it towards a feature set or a subscription.
You can use the coupon for L7 or L8 library purchases. If nothing interests you now, I suggest waiting until L8 is released. You may change your mind once you see what becomes available.
Another option is to check out the extended feature set, or the essential upgrades sets. They contain some useful resources (in addition to a feature set) that you might want to add to your library.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Disciple of Christ (doc) said:Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
I can say that we will do our best to level the playing field between owning and subscribing. We don't want to put features out of reach for our owners by limiting them to subscriptions. There might be a few minor cases where that is unavoidable, but our goal is to provide the same feature experience to both audiences.
You haven't done anywhere near your level best at the moment Phil. Owners are being punished for being owners. Simple fact no matter which way you want to paint it. Stop believe your own press and start remembering what it is to be a customer.
I meant this in the context of using Logos Bible Software, not more broadly to include things like Faithlife TV that are not as well suited for the ownership model. I agree we can do better. I was expressing our desire and plan for Logos 8.
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Marshall Harrison said:
Why cant we use our Logos Now coupons for book purchases? I'm not interested in putting it towards a feature set or a subscription.
The goal of the code was to help people make the transition from Logos Now into the right solution for them moving forward: a Logos 7 feature set or base package, a Logos 8 feature set or base package, or a move up to Faithlife Connect Essentials. More books isn't really a replacement for Logos Now, so we didn't expect people to want to use their codes in that way.
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I'm happy with the feature set I own and with my Silver library plus other books I have acquired. I wanted to put the code towards Barnes Notes on the Old and New Testament which would have used all but $.01 of my $100 code. Disappointed again.
Phil, if I call my rep can it be applied to the Barnes Notes set?
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Certainly, I understand the confusion that many have and even the frustration about paying for a subscription to books I already own. However, I DO NOT feel that I have lost anything or that Faithlife has taken anything away from me. First of all, I have access to every resource I have paid for. Second, my LogosNow subscription is for those features and products for one year. Faithlife is honoring that and giving me a little extra time. I am getting what I paid for this year with LogosNow. Third, Faithflife isn't forcing me to subscribe to Faithlife Connect. They have simply told me the new options I have in light of their business realities. It is up to me to decide how to proceed.
I haven't lost anything. Faithlife is fulfilling everything I paid for. The issue is what I will pay going forward. That is true with any product or service that we deal with. Am I happy about all of this? Not really because I will likely wind up paying more money. Am I angry? No. Am I still "on board" with Logos and believe in the company and its leadership. YES.
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Marshall Harrison said:
I'm happy with the feature set I own and with my Silver library plus other books I have acquired. I wanted to put the code towards Barnes Notes on the Old and New Testament which would have used all but $.01 of my $100 code. Disappointed again.
Phil, if I call my rep can it be applied to the Barnes Notes set?
Yes.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:Marshall Harrison said:
I'm happy with the feature set I own and with my Silver library plus other books I have acquired. I wanted to put the code towards Barnes Notes on the Old and New Testament which would have used all but $.01 of my $100 code. Disappointed again.
Phil, if I call my rep can it be applied to the Barnes Notes set?
Yes.
Thanks Phil. I'm a happy camper now. I'll call on Monday and make the purchase.
I'll continue to add the free Now book of the month as I have 9 more months until my subscription expires. I'll be mostly adding books on Paul and the spread of the early church.
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Chris duMond said:Dave Thawley said:
Chris, Do we own the courses with this product or do we end up losing them from our library ?
Dave, the courses will be access, not ownership. You'll have one year from the issuance of code(s) to select a course, and then 6 months of access to that course once you select it.
When will the codes be issued and will they be all mobile Ed courses?
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Robert Peters said:
When will the codes be issued and will they be all mobile Ed courses?
The codes are already available. You can go to http://connect.faithlife.com/get-started and scroll down to Claim your benefits.
You can use it on any individual (not in a collection or bundle) course from the entire catalog.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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scooter said:
We, the buyers + renters, are stakeholders. Bob, you should have put that long statement out + then stayed with the forums, reading + answering, for day one, then come back for day two to do more of the same.
I believe it was [+ is] your responsibility to us customer-stakeholders to do this: to clear your calendar + have the courage + commitment to be with us through the fray.
Leaders lead - all parts of - change, Bob. You did not complete your mission here.
Scooter, Bob has been engaging! He has posted and responded extensively in the LN forum. I am not happy either with the overall manner in which this change was communicated, but to be fair, Bob has taken quite a bit of time to engage with us in the other forum.
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Jordan Litchfield said:scooter said:
We, the buyers + renters, are stakeholders. Bob, you should have put that long statement out + then stayed with the forums, reading + answering, for day one, then come back for day two to do more of the same.
I believe it was [+ is] your responsibility to us customer-stakeholders to do this: to clear your calendar + have the courage + commitment to be with us through the fray.
Leaders lead - all parts of - change, Bob. You did not complete your mission here.
Scooter, Bob has been engaging! He has posted and responded extensively in the LN forum. I am not happy either with the overall manner in which this change was communicated, but to be fair, Bob has taken quite a bit of time to engage with us in the other forum.
Jordan, I would want a leader there from the beginning to give us a briefing + take the grief coming back at him. As he said, he was ''on the road.''
This shows us he values us less than he should have.......Up front in terms of being there from the start......not part way thru day 2.
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+ scooter, just above My message starts 3 lines up: ''Jordan...''
Looks like I started it wrongly. Twice. I tried to delete it, to no gain.
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A forum moderator could assist you with that if you would like.
FWIW - Your reply must come after the last:
You likely had one below the line you could see in the edit box.
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JT (alabama24) said:
A forum moderator could assist you with that if you would like.
FWIW - Your reply must come after the last:
You likely had one below the line you could see in the edit box.
JT....if U could, please. And, thank U.
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Check out Bob's announcement about the new migration plan for Logos Now members.
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I got the e-mail regarding the new, new Faithlife Connect and want OUT. Please refund me for everything and send me the coupon code promised. I have tried to get this resolved via e-mail and your support staff is refusing to do so.
Thanks.
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