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Daniel Di Bartolo | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Sep 5 2017 10:41 AM

Provide feedback and bug reports on LogosNext V6 here. You need to be invited to join the LogosNext Beta. We'll be releasing a public Beta soon. 

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Steven Branson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 1:15 PM

My initial reaction is I am very excited about this Logos upgrade, using it already and it makes my work 10 times easier, switching back and forth with a slide of the finger to all my resources. Keep up the good work, I mainly work on IPad 12.9 and this test app is a great improvement for my studies.

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James McAdams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 1:47 PM
The work on the UI is brilliant - it's clean, attractive and the animations for the menus coming in look smooth and smart, while remaining fast enough that they don't get in the way. The tab system is obviously the most exciting development, and it's incredible. You can quickly compare multiple resources, preserve your location while following links etc - it's a great feature. I will say that if you're viewing a resource with the swiping mode rather than scrolling mode, it's a tad counterintuitive that you need to use two fingers to swipe (one finger changes tabs) - I think that would make more sense if you swapped the one-finger/two finger interactions. I don't find myself using the atlas often in the existing app, but when the vector maps roll out, I expect to view them more often, and when that happens, I'll definitely want the option of viewing them full-screen (especially when using a phone-screen) so I hope that gets added as an option for a new tab rather than just a pop-over. I do find myself missing the "swipe up" interaction on a verse, but if that gets lost in a new approach to interaction, I can understand that, and it's not hard to get the same thing through the menu system - it's also slightly less important given that I won't need to repeat the interaction as often (given the multiple tab situation). Other than that, any feedback for now would be aimed at desired features (better offline support for interlinear resources, better display for search results, open any image full-screen etc), but that's presumably not the kind of feedback you're after in this thread. My main thoughts are that this is a really positive development. Exciting, well thought through and well-implemented. Love it!
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James McAdams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 1:50 PM

Sorry for the lack of spacing between paragraphs in my last comment! It looked fine when I was composing it on my phone!

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Daniel Di Bartolo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 2:03 PM

James McAdams:
I will say that if you're viewing a resource with the swiping mode rather than scrolling mode, it's a tad counterintuitive that you need to use two fingers to swipe (one finger changes tabs) - I think that would make more sense if you swapped the one-finger/two finger interactions.

Your right about this. When the app ships, here's how it will work: If you're set to paging: 1 finger swipe to change page, two finger swipe to change resource. If you're set to scrolling: 1 finger swipe changes resource. Two finger swipe changes resource. The majority of people use scrolling mode.

James McAdams:
I don't find myself using the atlas often in the existing app, but when the vector maps roll out, I expect to view them more often, and when that happens, I'll definitely want the option of viewing them full-screen (especially when using a phone-screen) so I hope that gets added as an option for a new tab rather than just a pop-over.

This is the direction we're going: most tools, resources, and documents should open in a new tab. 

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James McAdams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 2:31 PM

Daniel Di Bartolo:

Your right about this. When the app ships, here's how it will work: If you're set to paging: 1 finger swipe to change page, two finger swipe to change resource. If you're set to scrolling: 1 finger swipe changes resource. Two finger swipe changes resource. The majority of people use scrolling mode.

That sounds perfect, yeah.

One issue I keep having - when using the text comparison tool, it will generally load up to requested verse, but after a second or two (without any interaction from me) it will jump back several verses.

So just now, I typed in the reference for Genesis 32:20, and it displays those verses for under two seconds before it scrolls up to Genesis 32:7.

This happens consistently, regardless of which collection I compare, or whether I type the passage manually or open the guide to a reference from the bible verse context menu.

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Gavin Murphy | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 3:02 PM

Sorry for my ignorance! What is LogosNext?

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 3:24 PM

Gavin Murphy:

Sorry for my ignorance! What is LogosNext?

I believe the beta for the next major release of Logos Mobile. LogosNext v6. Possibly, only available on TestFlight(?); at least I don't see it on the Android Beta channel. I would have liked to join in the testing on my iPad, if it were open.

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Phil Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 3:34 PM

Glad to see the nice work that has been done on this new version.  Here are some initial thoughts:

  • While the library icon (on the bottom) is great for quickly opening a resource in a new tab, it would still be nice to tap on the book name at the top of the window to change the resource of the current tab (already at the desired reference)
  • Could you clarify the functionality of the Logos icon button at the bottom center of the window.  I initially though it was a quick link to the first tab in the list, but that doesn't seem to hold true in all cases.
  • In the tab view, it would be nice to have a button to close all tabs without having to swipe-close each one.
  • also in the tab view, if would be nice to have a second view option that just lists the resource and reference of the tab, allowing for quicker jumping between multiple tabs by listing many open tabs on the screen at once.
  • Very much like the new popout main menu on the right side, as well as the drop down resource menu.
  • It would also be nice on the Book-Chapter-Verse selection screen to have a button labeled "open in new tab" that could be pressed before selecting the verse.  This would be nice in a situation whenever you are asked to turn to a different passage, but you would like to preserve your current tab (location).

Really excited to see this initial work so far.  nice job team.

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Daniel Di Bartolo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 4:30 PM

Phil Miller:
While the library icon (on the bottom) is great for quickly opening a resource in a new tab, it would still be nice to tap on the book name at the top of the window to change the resource of the current tab (already at the desired reference)

This is something we hear a lot, and a fix is coming. 

Phil Miller:
Could you clarify the functionality of the Logos icon button at the bottom center of the window.  I initially though it was a quick link to the first tab in the list, but that doesn't seem to hold true in all cases.

It's "the Bible" button. A common complaint we here about the current app is that it's difficult to make your way back to the Bible. That button with 1.) Open your preferred Bible in a new tab (if it isn't open) OR 2.) Open the last used instance of your preferred Bible. 

Phil Miller:
It would also be nice on the Book-Chapter-Verse selection screen to have a button labeled "open in new tab" that could be pressed before selecting the verse.  This would be nice in a situation whenever you are asked to turn to a different passage, but you would like to preserve your current tab (location).

We're exploring a solution where we give you an option to open in a new tab or your existing tab. 

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Andrew116 | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 4:30 PM

I'm loving it so far!

Great things:

  • Tabbed browsing is great! Genius. I can see myself using this a lot. I will probably have a Greek+English 2 panel tab, Hebrew+English 2 panel tab, and then whatever books etc I'm reading.
  • I love how easy it is to switch tabs. 
  • I love the ability to sync tabs. 

Suggestions

  • I agree that 1 finger swipe to change tabs and 2 fingers to change page is counter intuitive. Not a deal breaker but took me a while to figure out - originally I thought it was a bug. 
  • I would like the ability to have some tabs use 'scrolling view' and some tabs use 'page turning'. It seems at the moment that changing the view settings on 1 tab affects them all. I can see the advantage of that, and think that should be default. Otherwise it will be chaos. But what about an option in that "View Settings" pane that says 'Settings affect this tab only'?    Here's my use case: I use page turning when I read books. But when I am looking at original languages with English in the 2nd pane, I prefer scrolling. It is annoying to have to keep changing the view options. 
  • Still really keen for offline word lookup for original languages (Daniel we've chatted about this in the past so I don't think I need to explain what I mean here?)

BUGS:

  • When changing view options, turning on scrolling causes the open tab to freeze.
  • Turning off scrolling when holding iPad horizontally makes the margins really narrow (turning iPad vertical then back to horizontal fixes).

Love your work guys. Feels like a great direction to be heading!

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Andrew116 | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 5:33 PM

James McAdams:

Daniel Di Bartolo:

Your right about this. When the app ships, here's how it will work: If you're set to paging: 1 finger swipe to change page, two finger swipe to change resource. If you're set to scrolling: 1 finger swipe changes resource. Two finger swipe changes resource. The majority of people use scrolling mode.

Hmmm... would it be better to keep behaviour consistent... 2 finger swipe always changes resources? 

I will switch between scrolling and page turning, and suspect I will find myself making the wrong gesture frequently. 

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Gavin Murphy | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 5:38 PM

When would V6 come out?

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 5:44 PM

Andrew116:
Hmmm... would it be better to keep behaviour consistent... 2 finger swipe always changes resources? 

Yes

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Daniel Di Bartolo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 5:56 PM

Gavin Murphy:
When would V6 come out?

We don't normally comment about release dates, but I can tell you that we'll release it "when it's ready". :) We WILL be releasing V6 to a public beta fairly soon-- I'll send you an invite when we do. 

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 6:03 PM

Have not used this, but it sounds great so far. Any chance that among these changes is the ability on Android to select which lines get displayed/hidden for interlinear resources? Can't wait to try this out! 

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John Murphy | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 6:24 PM

I’d love to get in on the beta as well! Excited!

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 9:20 PM

Randy W. Sims:

Andrew116:
Hmmm... would it be better to keep behaviour consistent... 2 finger swipe always changes resources? 

Yes

That's the plan. Two-finger swipe always changes tabs. But in scrolling mode, one-finger swipe is unused. To make it even more convenient for scrollers, one-finger swipe will also change tabs in scrolling mode. If you bounce back and forth between scrolling and paging, using two-finger swipe will be your best bet. But if you use scrolling consistently, you'll probably like the convenience of one-finger swipe to change tabs.

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Andrew116 | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 6 2017 12:42 AM

Hmm... sometimes to check what mode I'm in, I try swiping with one finger. I think this will be disorientating. I think consistency = user friendly ... But... up to you guys!

More than that I care about Quick and offline lookup of Greek and Hebrew words. That is the real deal breaker / point of differentiation between logos and Accompetitor. With one long press in the Accompetitor app, I have the word parsed, glossed, and the lexicon entry opened. Instantly and offline. That's something Logos really could use!!

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 6 2017 3:29 AM

Congrats on these new features! Definitely a major improvement. Some suggestions...

1. On the view where you can see all your open tabs, I would like to be able to drag a tab that has a single resource in it on top of another tab with a single resource, and get the option to transform them into a single tab with two resources. You could allow the user to determine which resource will end up on which side simply by whether they drag it to the left or right hand side of the tab.

2. On the view where you can see all your open tabs, I suggest that closing a resource of a dual-resource tab leave that half of the tab empty, but still in dual-resource mode, with a link to open a book on that half (as it currently does on the right-hand-side after selecting the two vertical bars). So, if you close the left-hand resource, that half is empty. If you close the right-hand resource, that half is empty. Then, you could simply make the two vertical lines button appear in the upper-right-hand corner, allowing users to toggle between dual and single modes. Or, if a user taps on "Done" with one half of the tab empty, the tab then switches automatically to single-resource mode.

3. It might be nice to have some way to switch which resource is on the left and which is on the right of a tab with two resources. I tried to do this intuitively by tapping and dragging on the book title in the view where you can see all your open tabs, but it doesn't allow it. One could imagine that there if you tap and drag on the book title, that would activate dragging the resource around within the tab (or even moving it to another tab... cf. my first suggestion), while tapping and dragging anywhere else on the tab would drag the entire tab to change tab order. 

4. I agree that when in scrolling mode, either one or two finger swiping should switch tabs, and that when in page-swipe view, single swipe should be for a page swipe, and double swipe for a tab swipe. 

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