Linux version of Logos Bible Software
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Most of the issues we see at this point come after logging in (e.g., updating Logos doesn't work as it should). Most set up issues have been resolved with the Ferion script. If you get more errors after trying to run the Logos.sh script, I'd recommend either continue reaching out on the forum, or join us in Telegram or in Matrix (the two are bridged) for more help.
The heavy hammer is deleting the wine bottle and Logos install and reinstalling, but that is usually only necessary if you start messing with something, not on initial install.
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To delete the wine bottle, where would that be located? Sorry for all the questions!
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To delete the wine bottle, where would that be located? Sorry for all the questions!
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No problem. If you followed a standard install and didn't pass any custom variables/paths to it, then it should be located in:
/home/$USER/LogosBible_Linux_P
I might recommend joining us in Telegram or Matrix and we can be more responsive there.
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I just installed the newest version of Logos (9.16.0.0006) using the fast install ferion script in a debian bullseye container on my new chromebook. Everything installed fine. But when I click on the library icon (either with my touchpad or a mouse) the library doesn't open. My workaround is right clicking (in ChromeOs it is a two-finger long press) and then a box opens that allows me to either open the library, open it in a floating window, or open it in a new tab. I choose the latter and my library opens in a tab.
Is anyone else having this issue? Also, the other menu bugs still appear to be unfixed as well.
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Just out of curiosity, I tried installing Verbum on my new Steam Deck (its OS is based on Arch Linux) but using Proton to emulate Windows. The Verbum installer ran but crashed just before the point where it asks you to enter your email and password.
I wonder if one of the scripts people are discussing here would work, and if so, which one. I've just discovered this thread so I haven't yet browsed all the way through. Any helpful hints are most appreciated!
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Here is Verbum on my Steam Deck, running on a Windows external SSD installation. For those of you who may not know, the Steam Deck is intended to be primarily a handheld gaming device for Steam games, but it has emulators that can run other game formats. It can also serve as a "regular" PC as needed. The display is 7 inches, to give you perspective.
I have one of my Verbum layouts running now on the Steam Deck. It was designed for a larger display, obviously! The controls can do a decent job of emulating mouse and keyboard commands, The display is a touchscreen. The device has 16 GB or RAM and a 512 GB SSD. It also has an SD card slot.
Performance is decent, considering this is an external SSD connected through a USB-C port. Performance should be better running from the internal SSD.
You can connect external devices (mouse, keyboard) through Bluetooth as desired.
Playing around with "stuff" like this is one way I decompress after any stressful episode. Even if this idea proves to be impractical or impossible, it's still fun trying it out.
Questions? Casual comments? All are welcome!!
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I run Logos on steam deck too, with a monitor plugged in and bluetooth peripherals.
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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John Goodman said:
I run Logos on steam deck too, with a monitor plugged in and bluetooth peripherals.
Excellent! I've tried the script, but I get errors. I need the xwd command but then I can't install that. I'm learning Arch Linux! How did you get around all that?
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I didn’t install the ferion script on Arch, but in Debian. I had to install lsof, x11-apps, cabextract, winbind, and zenity as dependencies. IIRC, xwd was installed by installing x11-apps in Debian.
Edit: Try sudo pacman -S xorg.xwd.
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Bill Anderson said:
I didn’t install the ferion script on Arch, but in Debian. I had to install lsof, x11-apps, cabextract, winbind, and zenity as dependencies. IIRC, xwd was installed by installing x11-apps in Debian.
Edit: Try sudo pacman -S xorg.xwd.
Thanks, Bill. I tried your suggestion and a couple of others I've found online. All give me errors. I know that the Steam Deck's system folders are read-only by default to keep people from doing damage to them! There's a command to remove that read-only lock but even that doesn't fix the problem.
John Goodman says that he has a Steam Deck. I wonder how he got around this!
Getting this done is not a huge priority for me, but it's the kind of project that will help me learn a bit more about Linux, so I'm giving it a shot!
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Sunday's pretty busy for me but I'll give more detail asap... mod the ferion script to do the quick install option but running on Proton instead of wine. i.e. search through for wine / wineserver commands and give them a prefix path. You shouldn't need any dependencies installed to do that, but it might be dependent on what games have already installed windows components etc. From memory I think I am running Proton experimental but anything recent should work...
My guess is your .net install failed.
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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I did not use sudo.
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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Logos 10 Release notes for Linux users (Unofficial): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NZx2lktFOTpGH3Kzxcmdzbd6rOqRoQcNcAjWhCni6w8/edit?usp=sharing
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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To run on steamdeck just download a wine build... https://github.com/Kron4ek/Wine-Builds/releases/download/7.18/wine-7.18-staging-amd64.tar.xz
Extract the file in a dir and run the Logos Installer. instead of typing wine type /full/path/to/wine64 and its that simple.
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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I've been looking over Verbum 10. before today, I wondered if there'd be any serious reason to upgrade. I've found a few! I have an M1 MacBook Air. Verbum 10 runs natively on M1 Macs. And now, thanks to you, I see that the folks at Logos/Verbum have simplified the process of installation on Linux, even though Linux is still not officially supported. Besides that, Faithlife has added some interesting resources to just about every level of Verbum.
Hmmmm.... It may not be a matter of if but of when!
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IMHO the mobile apps are worth the cost of the upgrade alone.
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In the 12 years I've been using Logos Bible Software, I haven't seen a more compelling upgrade than Logos 10. It's a truly remarkable step forward. My journey with Logos Bible Software began while studying for the ministry - over the years, I've grown to love it as a dependable tool for the real-life challenges of day-to-day ministry. I fell into using it quite by accident because, at the time, I found it difficult to obtain a copy of the required Hebrew textbook and faithlife provided the convenience of a quick download. What began with one book has grown over the years to a large collection of well-used and well-loved classics of theology, a rich library of Bible commentaries and some quite remarkable study tools and original language resources. I love the flexibility to sit at home in my office with a big 4k monitor and study in depth with many useful panels open on one day and then sit in a cafe with my iPad between pastoral visits or before meeting up with someone for lunch.
Over the years we've had some great updates and some of which were solid but not exciting and a half-baked one. This upgrade to Logos 10 is one of those special times when they hit the ball right out of the park. I've been using it for a couple of months now and I am truly delighted with the upgrade. They have carefully listened to their customers and come up with some fantastic changes which make a huge difference.
The first thing I notice straight away is the speed. Mac users will be pleased with native M1 support and I hear great things about performance there, but on older hardware like my 2017 MacBook Pro, it has a fresh new zing: indexing is quicker, load times are quicker, panels more responsive, it seems to have been tuned up everywhere. Speed is a crucial feature and not just on the desktop where they have made a giant leap forward, mobile and the web app are much faster too. Remarkably, the web app is now usable on a Raspberry Pi computer! There were many times when I was listening to a talk and would try to open my Bible on my phone only to find it was too slow and the speaker had moved on to talking about the next thing before I got there. Now it just pops open in a snap and everything just works very quickly.
The desktop has a welcome visual refresh but the mobile app is what I'm most excited about. Just reading a Bible, highlighting and searching all got a lot simpler. I don't need to search for verses on google any more, the fuzzy search has me covered. I used to have to try to remember an accurate quote to find the verse but now simple searches like 'Joseph's coat' will take you to the right place quickly. For complicated searches, like every time Jesus spoke about money, things got a lot easier too - no more angle brackets etc. It used to feel like coding more than searching sometimes...
A lot of thought has gone into redesigning Logos to better facilitate different ways of working with the text. I'm a visual thinker - when I write a sermon I have a 4 step process: I begin with prayer, and then I study the passage in depth at my desk. Once I have that done, I print the passage to PDF and put it into the Notability app on my iPad where I draw all over it while I pray and think some more. Finally, I go on a walk and compose the message orally, preaching to the wind as I walk my dog. The theory is that if I can't remember the sermon, then my congregation won't either so it has to be memorized. In Logos 10 for iPad, I no longer need to mess about creating a google doc, exporting it to pdf and syncing it to my iPad to be added to my notes. I simply open the toolbox and start drawing on my passage! The next time I study the passage, my hand-drawn notes are linked and tagged so I will find them again. This is a huge game-changer. It means that Logos works the way I work with the text. It frees up my time to focus on the task of communicating God's word.
Sticking with mobile, my favourite feature ever is the new read-aloud function. I've been asking for this on the forums and UserVoice for over a decade and it has finally landed! No longer are we reliant on the quirks of accessibility tools to listen to our books in audio. Text-to-speech has come on a long way and I have listened to quite a few books using the synthesized voices from my iPhone. It was never easy before but the functionality is now baked right in. It means I can listen through my AirPods on the go, while commuting, walking the dog etc.
Logos is not supported on Linux so it is a lesser-known thing that it works very well using the wine compatibility layer. I have been very involved in the community effort to get a Linux port working. Logos 10 now uses .net 6 which is a sort of under-the-hood change many people won't notice, it's what makes M1 mac compatibility possible for example. For this release, faithlife has been very generous in providing us with information and assistance to get it working in time for launch day. Logos 10 is now easier than ever to install on Linux and although we still have some minor issues many folks who are depending on it every day for Bible study will be delighted to know it already works from day zero. Officially it is supported on Windows, Mac, and Web for the desktop as well as iOS, Android and Web for mobile so if Linux users need support they should reach out to us on our Telegram channel: https://t.me/linux_logos
I do have some niggles - the library is still in need of a visual refresh and more screen space. I'd like to be able to sort the library by size and remove some of the bigger resources to free up disk space. On the web app, it is insufficient to view six out of nine-thousand titles without far more filtering options. The web app could also do with being built for wider screens. For the English, we could do with more Anglicised Bibles, the Common Worship lectionary and resources as well as more British content. There are still some really important books which are not in the faithlife catalogue. Projects for Logos 11 no doubt!
However, there are plenty of new features I haven't mentioned like on-the-fly translation, print library, the timeline, etc, but I wanted to focus on the things which have impacted me as I use the software day to day. With this update to Logos 10, I have repeatedly found myself surprised and delighted by how much it has made it easier for me to do my ministry and to enjoy my reading and listening.
Release notes for Linux: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NZx2lktFOTpGH3Kzxcmdzbd6rOqRoQcNcAjWhCni6w8/edit?usp=sharing
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I pulled the trigger and went for Verbum 10! I'll try installing on my Steam Deck later on today, I suspect!
The desktop app is noticeably quicker on my M1 Mac. I haven't yet tried the mobile app, but that's next!
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John Goodman said:
To run on steamdeck just download a wine build... https://github.com/Kron4ek/Wine-Builds/releases/download/7.18/wine-7.18-staging-amd64.tar.xz
Extract the file in a dir and run the Logos Installer. instead of typing wine type /full/path/to/wine64 and its that simple.
I have the wine build downloaded and extracted into a dir called Verbum 10. Do you mean that I can ignore the Logos/Verbum 10 for Linux release notes entirely? Simply running the Verbum installer in that dir doesn't seem to accomplish anything. Is there anything I need to do to install the wine build? I'm missing something here! Thanks!
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John Goodman said:
In the 12 years I've been using Logos Bible Software, I haven't seen a more compelling upgrade than Logos 10. It's a truly remarkable step forward.
Is an update to the ferion scripts planned for Logos 10? If not, I and others may appreciate a more clear and detailed installation procedure, especially the Wine part because the ferion script effectively keeps Wine under the covers for a Logos installation.
John, I really appreciate the work you have done to make Logos on Linux (using Wine) a viable solution.
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In fact I have a modded ferion script which works but I haven't sent Daniel a pull request. The problem is the download link for Logos 10 seems to be private to paying customers at the moment. I think we can only do the script once we can distribute the installer link as before.
For many users: e.g. Ubuntu. They may feel a script is no longer needed.
E.g. if you are on Ubuntu and you can install wine 7.18 staging. And it must be the staging version.
You can probably then simply double click the LogosSetup.exe installer and you are good to go. I believe it will actually sort you out a desktop and menu shortcut too!
The login page may be a bit garbled but if you can manage to enter your email address and password its all fine from there. I recommend choosing minimal install and then adding more resources later. Later you can turn off hardware acceleration in Logos program settings to remove black boxes from the startup but I don't think its worth it to sacrifice the acceleration.
This approach would put Logos into the default .wine prefix but its beautifully GUI centred.
I hope that is helpful.
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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John Goodman said:
In fact I have a modded ferion script which works but I haven't sent Daniel a pull request. The problem is the download link for Logos 10 seems to be private to paying customers at the moment. I think we can only do the script once we can distribute the installer link as before.
John, by "paying customer", does this include Faithlife Connect subscribers? If so, then I would be happy to try out the new script.
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Try this: https://github.com/jg00dman/LogosLinuxInstaller/blob/master/install_Logos10_download.sh
It requires you to download the installer and place it in the LogosBible10 folder... can do app image or not. This is only tested by me so far. You understand this is early days. It only changes stuff in ~/LogosBible10 and only if that folder doesn't exist so should be safe.
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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I removed the above just to be able to make a set of different pull requests to Daniel. You can now find...
A Logos 10 installer here: https://github.com/jg00dman/LogosLinuxInstaller/blob/Logos-10/install_Logos10_download.sh
A Verbum 10 installer here: https://github.com/jg00dman/LogosLinuxInstaller/blob/Verbum-10/install_Verbum10_download.sh
Download the raw version of the script and then type chmod u+x ./install_Verbum10_download.sh or Logos etc to make it executable.
Then run it with ./install_Verbum10_download.sh
You get a choice to use an appImage for wine which is a good idea because it keeps it separate from whatever is on your system.
You have to download the actual installer for Logos or Verbum and place them in the directory the script creates called LogosBible10 or VerbumBible10 in your home directory. The script will then run the installer for you having set everything up.
For support use Telegram or Matrix. Telegram and Matrix are bridged.
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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John Goodman said:
I removed the above just to be able to make a set of different pull requests to Daniel. You can now find...
A Logos 10 installer here: https://github.com/jg00dman/LogosLinuxInstaller/blob/Logos-10/install_Logos10_download.sh
A Verbum 10 installer here: https://github.com/jg00dman/LogosLinuxInstaller/blob/Verbum-10/install_Verbum10_download.sh
Download the raw version of the script and then type chmod u+x ./install_Verbum10_download.sh or Logos etc to make it executable.
Then run it with ./install_Verbum10_download.sh
You get a choice to use an appImage for wine which is a good idea because it keeps it separate from whatever is on your system.
You have to download the actual installer for Logos or Verbum and place them in the directory the script creates called LogosBible10 or VerbumBible10 in your home directory. The script will then run the installer for you having set everything up.
For support use Telegram or Matrix. Telegram and Matrix are bridged.
John, I installed Logos 10 using your script. Does your script install a .desktop file? If so, where is it located?
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No but if you run ./Logos.sh shortcut that should still work. The script is only a modded version of Daniel's and should retain all his features.
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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Thanks to John's generous help, I have Verbum 10 running on my Steam Deck. It is in the process of indexing resources, having completed downloads. I haven't had a chance to really try Verbum out yet. After installation, it crashed a couple of times. Restarting my device made Verbum much more stable. The Steam Deck is designed to be a (relatively large) handheld gaming device. Its specs are good enough to enable it to be used as a Linux PC, so it should be able to handle Verbum reasonably well. It's a safe bet that the Deck's designers never imagined this use for their device!
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John Goodman said:
I removed the above just to be able to make a set of different pull requests to Daniel. You can now find...
A Logos 10 installer here: https://github.com/jg00dman/LogosLinuxInstaller/blob/Logos-10/install_Logos10_download.sh
A Verbum 10 installer here: https://github.com/jg00dman/LogosLinuxInstaller/blob/Verbum-10/install_Verbum10_download.sh
Download the raw version of the script and then type chmod u+x ./install_Verbum10_download.sh or Logos etc to make it executable.
Then run it with ./install_Verbum10_download.sh
You get a choice to use an appImage for wine which is a good idea because it keeps it separate from whatever is on your system.
You have to download the actual installer for Logos or Verbum and place them in the directory the script creates called LogosBible10 or VerbumBible10 in your home directory. The script will then run the installer for you having set everything up.
For support use Telegram or Matrix. Telegram and Matrix are bridged.
For anyone who wants to use John's script to install Logos 10, I thought I would write up the steps I took in order to get everything working. The steps below assume you have installed all dependencies needed to run the script.
- Click on the link John provides for either the Logos 10 or Verbum 10 script. You will be taken to Github.
- In the upper right hand corner on Github, you will seek a button named "Raw." Right click that button and choose "Save Link As" (Note: I used Chrome for this. Your browser may have a differently named option.) Save the file.
- In a terminal, navigate to the folder where you saved the script file (for example, cd /home/{username}).
- In the terminal, run the following command: chmod u+x ./install_Verbum10_download.sh (or ./install_Logos10_download.sh).
- In the terminal, run the command ./install_Verbum10_download.sh (or ./install_Logos10_download.sh).
- Dowload the Verbum or Logos installation file (for the Verbum installation file go to https://verbum.com/install and click "Download"; for the Logos installation file go to https://www.logos.com/get-started and click on "Download Windows").
- Near the end of the script, a box will pop up instructing you to place the Verbum or Logos installation file you downloaded in Step 7 into the directory the script has created. Copy or move the installation file there. Click through the pop up box to run the Verbum or Logos installation file.
- Follow the prompts to install Verbum or Logos. At the end, the script will give you the option of launching Verbum or Logos. Do that. You will be welcomed by the login screen where you will enter your Verbum or Logos credentials.
- Once you have Verbum or Logos running, you will want to create a shortcut. To do that, from the terminal go to the directory where your Verbum or Logos executable is stored (for example, Logos.sh) and type (for Logos) ./Logos.sh shortcut. This will create a shortcut in your launcher.
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So I have Logos 10 put on my Ubuntu laptop (I just did the minimal Install). Is there a way to just move the library from the logos 9 folder to the logos 10 to minimize downloading?
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