EEC Update
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Jake Mailhot said:
Hi Folks,
Sorry for the delayed response here. The latest updates for the EEC are rather brief:
- Amos, Jonah, & Micah is in the middle of typesetting and is on track to release in print this Fall
- Daniel is also in the middle of typesetting. It will get a simultaneous print & digital release early next year.
Thank you Jake! Any updates on the Jeremiah volume?
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Jake Mailhot said:
Hi Folks,
Sorry for the delayed response here. The latest updates for the EEC are rather brief:
- Amos, Jonah, & Micah is in the middle of typesetting and is on track to release in print this Fall
- Daniel is also in the middle of typesetting. It will get a simultaneous print & digital release early next year.
So, back in January I noted you said Daniel would be this summer. This tells me you really don't know either what is going on Jake.
Again, I am patient, but getting older. I really thought when I bought this it would be finished in my lifetime even without hitting the 2019 ambition date. Still, a year goes by and nothing. I believed in Faithlife, but will never pay for something not delivered in the future. And for the record, I don't care about the print, just the digital version I paid for.
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Jake Mailhot said:
Daniel is also in the middle of typesetting. It will get a simultaneous print & digital release early next year.
If the digital release of Daniel is being delayed to coincide with the print release... that would be a very bad customer relations move. (A much better one, if simultaneous general release is really that valuable to Faithlife, would be to release Daniel digitally and soon but only to those who have prepaid for the entire set.) I write this as someone who has not pre-ordered the series and is not part of its target audience to begin with.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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SineNomine said:
If the digital release of Daniel is being delayed to coincide with the print release... that would be a very bad customer relations move.
Totally agree. If this is true, such a move would be extremely disrespectful to those of us who shelled out a ton of money almost eight years ago to preorder the entire digital commentary series. After all, we were told the entire series would already be done by the end of this year.
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Matt Hamrick said:Jake Mailhot said:
Hi Folks,
Sorry for the delayed response here. The latest updates for the EEC are rather brief:
- Amos, Jonah, & Micah is in the middle of typesetting and is on track to release in print this Fall
- Daniel is also in the middle of typesetting. It will get a simultaneous print & digital release early next year.
And for the record, I don't care about the print, just the digital version I paid for.
I totally agree with Matt's comment. Those of us who keep asking for updates on the EEC could care less about print editions. We are not impressed by these.
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Daniel Radke said:
Those of us who keep asking for updates on the EEC could [not] care less about print editions.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Check your emails! Owners of the EEC get the Walking with Ancient Path's volume for free. Not sure how they are selecting people but good stuff!
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also check to make sure you did not get charged for it. I received one email telling me my credit card was charged and then one telling me how to get it for free. Sent email to customer service to get the charge reversed.0 -
A big THANK YOU to Faithlife for blessing us with such a wonderful bonus![Y]
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Leo Wee Fah said:
A big THANK YOU to Faithlife for blessing us with such a wonderful bonus!
Yes - thank you!
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edit:mistake
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Amos, Jonah and Micah downloaded to my library on July 1. Somehow I missed seeing it.
Edit - Oops - that was just an update.
Thanks Logos
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I also had an update to the James volume by Varner. I wonder what was updated since it was pulled from production?
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Ronald Quick said:
I also had an update to the James volume by Varner. I wonder what was updated since it was pulled from production?
Might not be as dead as you think I may have been misinformed but I thought I heard it got reworked with corrections to cite the unattributed items into https://www.amazon.com/James-Commentary-Greek-William-Varner/dp/1948048019 If it has been modified Varner may still be tweaking little corrections there, or it may be simple as glaring spelling mistakes being reported and corrected.
-dan
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Lexham Press reported they pulled EEC James from publication and then told us they will find a new author. So, all the commentary being pulled from all the different publishers I have DO NOT CITE in the title, tag, and series of the resources so I do not cite them.
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I was just wondering what the next volume to be released will be and approximately when.
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Ronald Quick said:
I was just wondering what the next volume to be released will be and approximately when.
The print edition of Amos, Jonah & Micah is scheduled to release on October 30.
Daniel was recently posted for pre-order. It will be released in print and digital on March 4, 2020.
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Thank you Jake! Any other eec updates you might know?
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Jake Mailhot said:Ronald Quick said:
I was just wondering what the next volume to be released will be and approximately when.
The print edition of Amos, Jonah & Micah is scheduled to release on October 30.
Daniel was recently posted for pre-order. It will be released in print and digital on March 4, 2020.
Again for now I don't care about the print, just the digital I paid for. But the take away is now we can anticipate 2 year release cycles for an EEC volume? The lack of information (when you are trying to be transparent) is staggering. But that is how I see it and my instincts usually are very good.
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Jake - Thanks for the update.
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Matt Hamrick said:
Again for now I don't care about the print, just the digital I paid for.
If they're still working on the digital version then that's fine. However, if it is ready then it should be released. This series was promoted as a digital version. Here's a quote from the product page:
The publication of the EEC by Lexham Press marks the first time a major Bible commentary series has been published in digital form before its print counterpart—and the first time it has been published with a digital format in mind.
https://www.logos.com/product/7565/evangelical-exegetical-commentary
Either way, I'll be happy on March 4th.
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Ronald Quick said:Matt Hamrick said:
Again for now I don't care about the print, just the digital I paid for.
If they're still working on the digital version then that's fine. However, if it is ready then it should be released. This series was promoted as a digital version. Here's a quote from the product page:
The publication of the EEC by Lexham Press marks the first time a major Bible commentary series has been published in digital form before its print counterpart—and the first time it has been published with a digital format in mind.
https://www.logos.com/product/7565/evangelical-exegetical-commentary
Either way, I'll be happy on March 4th.
They once would release the digital resource when it was available, but over time they are starting to release the digital with the print versions at the same time. This is a new concept with the commentary series. And frankly I believe why it takes so long to get a volume released because it takes time to get the print ready. Don't forget Jake once told us at the end of summer (meaning now) the digital would be ready. The digital version is probably done and waiting for the print versions to catch up to release on the same day March 4. This is a new concept with this series.
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Matt Hamrick said:Ronald Quick said:Matt Hamrick said:
Again for now I don't care about the print, just the digital I paid for.
If they're still working on the digital version then that's fine. However, if it is ready then it should be released. This series was promoted as a digital version. Here's a quote from the product page:
The publication of the EEC by Lexham Press marks the first time a major Bible commentary series has been published in digital form before its print counterpart—and the first time it has been published with a digital format in mind.
https://www.logos.com/product/7565/evangelical-exegetical-commentary
Either way, I'll be happy on March 4th.
They once would release the digital resource when it was available, but over time they are starting to release the digital with the print versions at the same time. This is a new concept with the commentary series. And frankly I believe why it takes so long to get a volume released because it takes time to get the print ready. Don't forget Jake once told us at the end of summer (meaning now) the digital would be ready. The digital version is probably done and waiting for the print versions to catch up to release on the same day March 4. This is a new concept with this series.
This is not what FL sold us when signing up to this series. It was a digital series. If they are holding back digital versions just to line up with a print copy they have broken their word to us. Digital volumes should not be getting held back simply to release at same time as print. They need to clarify what is going on with this series in terms of the release of the digital versions. And should do so so this week, not in a few months time.
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Matt Hamrick said:
They once would release the digital resource when it was available, but over time they are starting to release the digital with the print versions at the same time.
The reality is that producing the digital and the print editions simultaneously is far more cost effective since we can edit, proof, and typeset the manuscript once instead of splitting the production process into two phases for each edition.
However, because the print editions need to be finalized and printed far in advance of the release date, that means the digital versions are usually finished in advance as well. For users who have pre-ordered the 44-volume EEC collection, the digital versions should be delivered as they are completed. Because of the variety of factors influencing the production process, we can't guarantee how early these digital versions will be delivered, but it will likely be a month or more before the release date.
In addition, there will likely be a few volumes that will be published digitally first—Amos, Jonah, & Micah was published digitally more than a year before the print edition. Many of these digital-first volumes will be ones that require special considerations for the print edition (such as splitting the print edition into two volumes).
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Jake Mailhot said:
For users who have pre-ordered the 44-volume EEC collection, the digital versions should be delivered as they are completed. Because of the variety of factors influencing the production process, we can't guarantee how early these digital versions will be delivered, but it will likely be a month or more before the release date.
Jake thank you for your response, I'll take it that you are in fact releasing the digital versions as soon as they are ready to those of us who pre-ordered the set. With a project like this there is always going to be unforeseen delays in the actual writing of volumes and due to issues in recent years with referencing not being done as well as it should have I am fine if better checking means a slightly longer writing process. It would be most disappointing though if FL is in any way holding back digital versions when they are ready to release. For now I'll take your word this is not happening and that FL Is honouring the original terms of the sign-up and hope that is that does change they will be transparent about that and the reasons why.
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Jake, I just call it as it appears to us. However, the lack of info surrounding EEC is not your fault and you are the messenger reaching out to us, so for that I apologize and will not target you again for stuff you say. However, the stuff you say causes more confusion. So, I made the call months ago to ignore the EEC and just be happy when a volume arrives. And I intend to do exactly that.
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With all this talk of print editions of the EEC, I wonder if this means that the digital editions will have page numbers listed in them?
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Matt Hamrick said:
So, I made the call months ago to ignore the EEC and just be happy when a volume arrives. And I intend to do exactly that.
Good call—but uncontrollable curiosity will still drive me to continue reading this thread [:$]
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Jake Mailhot said:
In addition, there will likely be a few volumes that will be published digitally first
There it is. The commentary billed itself as being all digital first, which is why I am confused about all the print talk. All of us bought the digital version and that is the version we want info about.
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