Most Important Logos 8 Bugs and Improvements for Academic/Seminary Users
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Another thing with Search Improvements is the ability to match/ignore diacritics, vowel points, etc. For instance, there is currently absolutely no way to distinguish between "mode" and "mōðe".
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Reuben Helmuth said:
For instance, there is currently absolutely no way to distinguish between "mode" and "mōðe".
You can already distinguish between languages: danish:mōðe
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Mark Barnes said:
You can already distinguish between languages: danish:mōðe
But mōðe is not Danish. It's a typo/OCR error of mōše (the SBL Academic transliteration of the Hebrew מֹשֶׁה = Moses). It occurs twice here: https://ref.ly/logosres/txtlcrtcsmvrvwl?ref=lms.LMS+I+2.1.2.c&off=1337
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Kiyah said:
BUG: The RSV is missing interlinear information for the following books: Susanna and Bel and the Dragon. See this forum post for more details (https://community.logos.com/forums/t/174718.aspx). Initially I included Song of the Three Youths and 2 Esdras, however Song of the Three Youths seems to be working now, and 2 Esdras never had any interlinear info since the original text is in Latin (according to Isaiah from Faithlife). This problem does not exist for the RSVCE or RSV2CE.
An update to the RSV should ship today (April 1, 2019) that we believe will address these issues.
Rick Brannan
Data Wrangler, Faithlife
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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) said:Kiyah said:
BUG: The RSV is missing interlinear information for the following books: Susanna and Bel and the Dragon. See this forum post for more details (https://community.logos.com/forums/t/174718.aspx). Initially I included Song of the Three Youths and 2 Esdras, however Song of the Three Youths seems to be working now, and 2 Esdras never had any interlinear info since the original text is in Latin (according to Isaiah from Faithlife). This problem does not exist for the RSVCE or RSV2CE.
An update to the RSV should ship today (April 1, 2019) that we believe will address these issues.
The updates have downloaded and the RSV reverse interlinear looks to be working now. Thanks!
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
Please keep your requests focused on the kinds of things relevant to the needs of the academic/seminary audience
Here's something that would be really nice... partner with www.academia.edu to have all their academic papers available on demand in Logos. One possibility would be to simply have them available in the "public" tab of our Docs menu (with relevant faceted browsing, of course). I would prefer a solution, however, where I could get notified within Logos of any new Papers from the people I follow or the subjects I've selected. Also, I'd strongly prefer having these as library resources rather than "documents". Of course, a new resource type ("article" or "paper") would be required.
I would like the ability to set up "channels" that would automatically download papers that meet my criteria. Additionally, if the entire catalog could be indexed and populate the Cloud Resources Search Results, that would be incredible.
I know this is more of a New Feature request, but I think the value would be HUGE for academic users.
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Reuben Helmuth said:
Here's something that would be really nice... partner with www.academia.edu to have all their academic papers available on demand in Logos. One possibility would be to simply have them available in the "public" tab of our Docs menu (with relevant faceted browsing, of course). I would prefer a solution, however, where I could get notified within Logos of any new Papers from the people I follow or the subjects I've selected. Also, I'd strongly prefer having these as library resources rather than "documents". Of course, a new resource type ("article" or "paper") would be required.
I would like the ability to set up "channels" that would automatically download papers that meet my criteria. Additionally, if the entire catalog could be indexed add populate the Cloud Resources Search Results, that would be incredible.
I know this is more of a New Feature request, but I think the value would be HUGE for academic users.
This indeed would be HUGE!!!!!! Great idea!!!!![Y][Y][Y]
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Charlene said:Reuben Helmuth said:
Here's something that would be really nice... partner with www.academia.edu to have all their academic papers available on demand in Logos. One possibility would be to simply have them available in the "public" tab of our Docs menu (with relevant faceted browsing, of course). I would prefer a solution, however, where I could get notified within Logos of any new Papers from the people I follow or the subjects I've selected. Also, I'd strongly prefer having these as library resources rather than "documents". Of course, a new resource type ("article" or "paper") would be required.
I would like the ability to set up "channels" that would automatically download papers that meet my criteria. Additionally, if the entire catalog could be indexed add populate the Cloud Resources Search Results, that would be incredible.
I know this is more of a New Feature request, but I think the value would be HUGE for academic users.
This indeed would be HUGE!!!!!! Great idea!!!!!
I concur. This would be awesome.
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I still just want all the citations for everything in my library, especially journals, to be fully there and in the proper format I selected in the program settings.
I would love to click on ibid and have it take me to the resource, and not to the line above that also says ibid, and so forth.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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abondservant said:
I still just want all the citations for everything in my library, especially journals, to be fully there and in the proper format I selected in the program settings.
I would love to click on ibid and have it take me to the resource, and not to the line above that also says ibid, and so forth.Agreed!
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Reuben Helmuth said:
Here's something that would be really nice... partner with www.academia.edu to have all their academic papers available
I went to check this site out, and it gives two options to sign up: Google or FaceBook. I clicked the Google button and nothing happened.
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Michael S. said:Reuben Helmuth said:
Here's something that would be really nice... partner with www.academia.edu to have all their academic papers available
I went to check this site out, and it gives two options to sign up: Google or FaceBook. I clicked the Google button and nothing happened.
Third option:
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Reuben Helmuth said:
I would like the ability to set up "channels" that would automatically download papers that meet my criteria. Additionally, if the entire catalog could be indexed and populate the Cloud Resources Search Results, that would be incredible.
On further reflection, there should likely be a separate section; one that allows for filtering by "channel(s)" and has the filter remain from session to session (no need to search over 22 million papers every time if my interests only span ~100,000 of those).
Also, this ability (to search the entire text of all papers) would likely need to be limited to FL Connect members, since it does require a premium account on www.academia.edu.
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Mark Barnes said:Rick Brannan (Faithlife) said:
I know we've done some work in this area (LN & sense tagging of TR variant units) but I'm not sure of how or when it will be released. I'll check, though.
That's good news!
Hi Mark.
I think the BSL data will be updated with the next dataset update release, and reverse interlinears (KJV, NKJV, etc.) will be updated subsequently.
Rick Brannan
Data Wrangler, Faithlife
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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) said:
I think the BSL data will be updated with the next dataset update release, and reverse interlinears (KJV, NKJV, etc.) will be updated subsequently.
Good news. I'm pleased to see any progress with this data - it's a vital part of Logos!
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Phil, perhaps this very late response is not too late?
Please make Aland's Synopsis of the Four Gospels fully functional, by which I mean (in the order of my preference): 1) the Greek formatted so the individual lines of each Gospel are parallel (as in Throckmorton's Gospel Parallels; some years back Logos 4 or later offered this feature in the Burton-Goodspeed Harmony of the Gospels for Historical and Critical Study); 2) the ability to highlight individual words in each Gospel - this becomes especially important if the individual lines cannot be made parallel); 3) the ability to double click Greek words to reach lexica.
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Steve Maling said:
1) the Greek formatted so the individual lines of each Gospel are parallel (as in Throckmorton's Gospel Parallels
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Kevin A Lewis said:Michael S. said:
Works Cited.
What good is it if when I copy and paste from a resource, the works citation is not correctly formatted? It even lets you pick the format (Turabian, Chicago, etc..), why if it is not correctly formatted?
An absolute must - currently very inconsistent.
Shalom
I second this...Wait, I guess I'm "thirding" this!
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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Charlene said:abondservant said:
I still just want all the citations for everything in my library, especially journals, to be fully there and in the proper format I selected in the program settings.
I would love to click on ibid and have it take me to the resource, and not to the line above that also says ibid, and so forth.Agreed!
Well, now I see I probably "fourth" of "fifthed" or "sixthed" this! LOL
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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Fr Devin Roza said:
Glad to hear you'll be working on this. Here are some things I would consider priorities:
- Ability to build complex searches using a sidebar/drop-down menu. We need to be able to use the amazing search capabilities of the software without having to remember how to write all the commands and curly brackets and so on.
- Build "Information management" into the notes tool. The most important building block that is still missing is structured tagging. This would allow a researcher to, for example, create structured tags that reflect a future table of contents an article or book they are working on, and add clippings and notes to different sections of that table of contents as they research. That is, not only are you taking notes and clipping, but you are organizing them in the software as you research.
- Redesign the context menu for speed and better utility. It is constantly used by academic and seminary users.
- Fix the "New Testament's use of the Old Testament" interactive - The "Original Language" button of this interactive is broken, making what should be one of the most useful interactives for the classroom and study almost entirely useless. It has been broken for over three years now. Cf. https://community.logos.com/forums/t/119433.aspx?PageIndex=1
- Revise the Lexham Survey of Theology with an ecumenical team of theologians - I know this isn't programming as such, but it is important to allow academic use of the Theology Guide. Currently the base text of the theology guide, the Lexham Survey of Theology, is written from a orthodox Evangelical perspective. While I consider it fundamental that any Theology Guide produced by Lexham reflect faithfully the orthodox Evangelical perspective, it should also reflect faithfully other perspectives, such as the Catholic, Orthodox, and other traditions within Protestantism. At the very least, I can attest that it does not do so as regards Catholicism. I think this is understandable given there were no Catholics or Orthodox on the team of scholars who designed it and reviewed it. This greatly limits its usefulness within academic circles, where an openness to representing other peoples viewpoints in ways they can affirm as accurate is essential.
There are other points, of course, but I think those five would be what I would see as top priorities.
Yup...everything he said! Especially numbers 1 and 4.
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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Thanks for doing this and for giving us a place to be heard! (I'm often confused if we should submit these sorts of suggestions here on the forums, on the UserVoice site, or @ the social media type place on faithlife.com)
- Nonbiblial Texts & Corpora. Currently, the biblical text enjoys more features and usability than other corpora. The ability to do thinks like graph search results, etc. in the Apostolic Fathers, Apocrypha, Pseudepigrapha, etc. would be wonderful. To offer my anecdotal experience from four different institutions, the focus on, availability, & usability of (current) nonbiblical texts is where some of Logos' competitors have gained a leg up to be known as (a) program(s) that is/are more geared towards academic use.
- Building out the morphology charts would be helpful. Occasionally, I run into forms in nonbiblical texts that I want to double-check; the morphology charts would be a great help in times like these but they mostly aren't due to their abbreviated nature.
- When compiling notes, quotes, etc. for papers and reference, the notes tags (though not on mobile devices) & notebooks can quickly become very cumbersome. Not to mention a multiplicity of tags, I currently have a growing list of 30+ notebooks labeled "Dissertation - XXXXX" to simply try to keep some of my research straight. The ability to have some sort of hierarchical or otherwise similar organizational structure would be a huge win in terms of functionality & usability (cf. https://community.logos.com/forums/p/182741/1057169.aspx#1057169)
- Oftentimes in academic use, the TOC in lexical and reference works get out of hand. A way to expand/close all would be a great help.
- The ability to see our notes/highlights in non-downloaded sources on ios/mobile devices would be a great win.
- On Android devices, a more streamlined way to pull up a lexicon entry on a highlighted word would be great. The only way I am currently aware of is to highlight a word > Info > Bible Word Study, and then select a lexicon. Could there be an option along the way–maybe between "Search" and "Bible Word Study"–that would take us directly to our preferred lexicon?
- It would be a HUGE win for academic users, would be the ability to highlight footnotes. Much academic interaction comes from these little guys and, at best, highlighting the footnote number to copy and paste the actual text within the note is a bit cumbersome.
- Being able to use filters on mobile devices (e.g. setting up a reader LXX or GNT) would be a great feature
- If I were to shoot for the stars, a big ask would be for a feature that competes with Accord.'s Infer search.
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Chris Lane said:
Nonbiblial Texts & Corpora. Currently, the biblical text enjoys more features and usability than other corpora. The ability to do thinks like graph search results, etc. in the Apostolic Fathers, Apocrypha, Pseudepigrapha, etc. would be wonderful. To offer my anecdotal experience from four different institutions, the focus on, availability, & usability of (current) nonbiblical texts is where some of Logos' competitors have gained a leg up to be known as (a) program(s) that is/are more geared towards academic use.
This is high on my list ... I'm glad to see its appearance here.
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MJ. Smith said:
3. Option to show all possible parsing of a manuscript lexical item - root and morphology - to encourage the learning of actually reading the language rather than accepting Logos tagging as true.
+1!
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I think I would also like to add my voice to the discussion in support of the context menu. Once I understood its organization it became an efficient and frequently utilized tool.
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I've noticed that in the LSJ, if I have the work of an author in my library, the only option in the context menu is to go to their work. If I don't have an author/work in my library, it links to the author in the "I. Authors and Works" section. In the former situation, it would be nice to have both location options available in the context menu upon a right-click so that we could easily navigate to either place.
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