The Next Chapter in the EEC
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Jim Snowden said:
I think that is reasonable given the initial promised dates at time of the order and the lack of keeping those dates. But maybe I am wrong.
My experience with Abingdon Press and Paulist Press was that the initial promised dates went by the wayside very quickly and the actual delivery was more than twice the original estimate. With Abingdon one volume was never produced; with Paulist Press the series became ongoing and is now pushing 4 times the original estimate of number of volumes. My only current subscription is keeping to its timetable so far.
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Perhaps it is something all publishers struggle with to keep to original promised dates. But in the EEC case it seems rather excessive in that after 12 years Logos have only produced a quarter of what they promised back in 2011 (we have 9 full volumes plus I think 4 half volumes out of the set of 43 promised).
Anyway, Logos replied to me and said their refund policy is only for 30 days after initial sale so they seem to be sticking to that.
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Jake, do you know if Buist Fanning is still going to write the Hebrews Commentary? Timeline?
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Yes, Buist Fanning is still writing the Hebrews commentary. He had been making progress but we haven't had an update from him since last year.
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Jake Mailhot (Faithlife) said:
Yes, Buist Fanning is still writing the Hebrews commentary. He had been making progress but we haven't had an update from him since last year.
Thank you Jake!
Any other updates on the series as a whole while we have your attention?
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Like many others, I purchased the entire EEC set prior to its release and any time a new volume is released it is automatically downloaded to my library. What happens if the series is not complete before I gone? Will the person who gets my library in my will continue to receive the volumes as they are released?
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Jake, Thanks for the quick reply.
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Ronald Quick said:
Like many others, I purchased the entire EEC set prior to its release and any time a new volume is released it is automatically downloaded to my library. What happens if the series is not complete before I gone? Will the person who gets my library in my will continue to receive the volumes as they are released?
That's a new wrinkle, Ronald.
But since what you own, aren't 'books', but rather licenses, which include the completed EEC, your will would direct those licenses to the next owner. The question then would be, whether the new owner would be young enough, to actually see the full EEC (assuming Faithlife is still around). Or need another will.
Complicated.
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DMB said:
What happens if the series is not complete before I gone?
Since the licence isn't tangible perhaps this is a case where you can take it with you.
Although what use a Commentary will be in the dimension of Heaven remains to be seen. I suspect that there will be too much to be doing to allow much time for reading on any platform.
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Jake Mailhot (Faithlife) said:
Hello all,
I've got an update on a few volumes from our academic editor:
[quote]On the NT side, both Michael Burer (Galatians) and Buist Fanning (Hebrews) are close to submitting manuscripts. On the OT side, Richard Averbeck is supposed to submit his manuscript for Leviticus this fall. Additionally the OT editors are close to completing a review of both John Oswalt’s 1–2 Kings and Abner Chou’s Deuteronomy. That's in addition to Joshua and 1 & 2 Chronicles which were already in review with the OT editors.
All of these volumes still have to go through author revision and editorial review, and since that process is unique to each volume the timeline is difficult to predict. It's possible some of these volumes will be on the publication schedule for the second half of 2022. Lexham and the series editors are working diligently to get the manuscripts in great condition and out into the world.
Thanks for your continued patience and support for the series.
Not to raise an issue but I previously accused Jacob of knowing nothing going on with EEC. We are in the first half of 2023. Our last volume was in 2020. And you wonder why we try and demand good information. But what you all put out is never accurate.
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I have spent 25+ years building my Logos library and replacing my paper books, not to mention the 5+ digit numbers ($) spent, but this ECC issue increased my doubts to keep investing in Logos. I can’t trust their words anymore. Very sad[:(]
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Crickets from Lexham/ FL
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Crickets from Lexham/ FL
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Mike Binks said:DMB said:
What happens if the series is not complete before I gone?
Since the licence isn't tangible perhaps this is a case where you can take it with you.
Continuing your humor, EEC's promise of completion (2014 I think) reminds me of Paul in 1 Thes ... Christians beginning to experience die-off. Pretty soon EEC people will begin to die, and they'll wonder ... what about my will and those missing volumes! Where's Paul?!
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I'm not directly involved with EEC, so I don't have secret EEC knowledge. In Jake's defense, it's hard to provide good information for such a complicated project. For my own Lexham commentary projects, I find it hard to predict what will get done and when. I make plans, hit obstacles, try to fix them, get interrupted by something else, and so on. So I've learned that things never seem to go according to plan and the bigger the project, the more issues can pop up that lead to delays. And that's for my projects where some or all of the content has already been submitted like Lexham Geographic Commentary or Lexham Research Commentary. For commentaries that are still with the authors, until a final, acceptable manuscript is submitted to Lexham, everything about the volume and its timeline is TBD.
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Doug I have argued LRC, and EEC are two completely different things. We can see the progress with EEC if they update the webpage. Recently they had an author change that rubbed a lot of people wrong but personally I think even with the change of authors there is still a standard set with EEC that they cannot ignore. I appreciate your comments but your projects and EEC is not the same thing. I am still waiting for LRC volumes and LGC volumes that I have bought and paid for just like EEC.
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Matt Hamrick said:
Doug I have argued LRC, and EEC are two completely different things. We can see the progress with EEC if they update the webpage. Recently they had an author change that rubbed a lot of people wrong but personally I think even with the change of authors there is still a standard set with EEC that they cannot ignore. I appreciate your comments but your projects and EEC is not the same thing. I am still waiting for LRC volumes and LGC volumes that I have bought and paid for just like EEC.
And I am arguing that they are more alike in that Lexham has very little control over the timeline until external authors turn in their work. I'm waiting on authors for most of the balance of the NT aside from Paul's letters and 1 Peter (look for Jude, 2 Peter, and 2-3 John this year though). I'm not sure what you are referring to with the "standard set with EEC that they cannot ignore." I have stopped making specific predictions about LRC progress because I really don't know anything with certainty other than the few volumes that are ready for next steps. What would you expect from updates to the EEC webpage? We don't know where the authors are in the writing process. We can ask but they might give an optimistic time estimate, which we then share with customers who get disappointed when it doesn't turn out as predicted. So the point of my comparison was that commentaries are complicated and time consuming projects. Mine are narrower in scope than EEC but still complicated enough to make my past attempts to predict their progress look naive and foolish in hindsight. That said, I will endeavor to deliver some of those LRC volumes and LGC volumes you're waiting for. That I have some control over. Pretty sure you'll see more LRC this year than any of the other series we're talking about.
P.S. I knew we'd posted bundles of LRC but I guess I didn't realize those LRCs were being pre-sold in bundles where you paid in advance for ones that haven't been delivered. That's my fault for not paying attention to the product configuration, but now that I know about it, I'll work harder to deliver volumes on a steady cadence.
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That standard I am referring to has already been established with the current volumes produced. Those volumes are simply the best commentary in my library. Authors must meet the standard set by the EEC or that volume won't make it into the series as Walt Kaiser found out.
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Matt Hamrick said:
That standard I am referring to has already been established with the current volumes produced. Those volumes are simply the best commentary in my library. Authors must meet the standard set by the EEC or that volume won't make it into the series as Walt Kaiser found out.
Yes, that is true. High quality work takes time. Trying to rush it would lead people to take shortcuts that would damage the quality.
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Doug, any update on Hebrews by Buist Fanning?
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It looks like Job and Galatians are shipping next week! [:D]
Why does Logos say they are shipping next week when I already have them in my library?
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I have them too - not sure what that is all about!
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Ronald Quick said:
It looks like Job and Galatians are shipping next week!
Why does Logos say they are shipping next week when I already have them in my library?
It's the print edition which is what Jacob puts out when he gives an update which tells me Lexham Press cares more about the print edition because it generates more money. Nevertheless, before the print release date we should have the digital copy in our library.
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It looks like the 2 commentaries farthest along are Kings and Ezekiel.
One is "In review with editors" and the other is "In review with Lexham." What's the difference and which is closest to production?
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