a question from an Accordance User
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Kristin said:
That said, the more I use Logos, the more useful I am finding it, especially for reading non-biblical works which aren't available in Accordance.
One other bit of advice that I give to people learning Logos. Spend some time memorising keyboard commands. The more you can keep your hands on the keyboard, the faster you can move around. It takes a bit of work up front to memorise them, but it pays off in the long run. (i.e MacOS 'Command' 'Option' 'L' is a launch pad for so many things.)
I would love to see more keyboard commands or the ability to create your own keyboard commands brought to Logos, but I would suggest that for each user, there are at least 6 to 12 commands that will speed up your specific use case workflows.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
Make sure that you make good use of collections and tagging. The new Smart Search is also very useful for natural language enquiries, which can then be honed down into precise searches
Hi Donovan,
Thank you for the tip about collections. I will keep that in mind. [:)] By Smart Search, you are referring to the Logos store. Correct?
DAL said:Use it as much as you can because you never know when Accordance might just go out of business. Hopefully they won't! But if you can manage to learn Logos and master it, you won't even need Accordance anymore.
I unfortunately agree with you, DAL. [U] I love Accordance and hope it is around for the rest of my life, but I can also see that it would be prudent to get Logos just in case. I also agree with you about the importance of learning Logos well. It is for sure time consuming to learn, but it seems well worth it. So I am trying to make a point to use it whenever I am not doing intensive work.
One thing that I have had some confusion about.... if I save a layout, then I make changes, delete something, add something etc, then I close the layout, the next time I open it, it will revert back to the SAVED version, and if I want to change how the layout opens, I would need to save it as a new layout. Is this correct? It appears to be the case but I am not sure.It occurred to me that maybe I should create a "test" layout and use it just to poke at things to see if anything I do makes Logos bite back or not.
Donovan R. Palmer said:One other bit of advice that I give to people learning Logos. Spend some time memorising keyboard commands. The more you can keep your hands on the keyboard, the faster you can move around.
Hi Donovan,
Thanks for the tip, and I agree that is great advice. I for sure type without ever looking at the keyboard, and I do have Mac specific commands memorized as well. So I agree that is helpful (and sort of critical) to not need to look at the keyboard.
Donovan R. Palmer said:I would love to see more keyboard commands or the ability to create your own keyboard commands brought to Logos, but I would suggest that for each user, there are at least 6 to 12 commands that will speed up your specific use case workflows.
Concerning commands, really what I need with this is just for Logos to not write over my Mac keyboard shortcuts. It is also sort of frustrating when I need Alex to speak something and I try to use my Mac key and Logos ignores it. (Btw, I know the "read aloud" option, but it is just not sufficient as a workaround for multiple reasons. Only speaking English is a huge issue, but not the only issue).
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Kristin said:
By Smart Search, you are referring to the Logos store. Correct?
The Smart Search is the AI-assisted search available in All and Book searches.
Kristin said:I would need to save it as a new layout. Is this correct?
You can save it without creating a new layout. If you don't save it, any changes are lost; if you save as current which if the usual case for me, any changes are saved.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Kristin said:
One thing that I have had some confusion about.... if I save a layout, then I make changes, delete something, add something etc, then I close the layout, the next time I open it, it will revert back to the SAVED version, and if I want to change how the layout opens, I would need to save it as a new layout. Is this correct? It appears to be the case but I am not sure.
I recommend you experiment.
1. Go to settings, and on the 3rd item 'At Startup Open To', play with 'Most recent layout - local'. It loads in whatever you had when you shut down previously. This doesn't mean a 'saved' layout ... just where you left off.
2. Or, in that settings list, select a saved layout (bottom of the list choices). But any layout changes after you saved a layout, won't appear..
3. And during your work, 'saving' your layout isn't your only choice. The app periodically saves snap shots. And also saves a your layout when you shut down. That's heaven sent, when you make a mistake and need to go back ... even 2 weeks ago.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:
I recommend you experiment.
1. Go to settings,... 3. And during your work, 'saving' your layout isn't your only choice. The app periodically saves snap shots. And also saves a your layout when you shut down. That's heaven sent, when you make a mistake and need to go back ... even 2 weeks ago.
Hi DMB,
Thank you for the idea, and I think you are right about experimenting. (Which provoked my idea of a test layout). I agree the snapshots are helpful. Accordance has this too, it is just called an "Autosaved Session" and can be really useful.
Speaking of experimenting, I was watching a Heiser video where he was talking about the short version of God's name and was using Logos. In the video, for reasons I truly don't know, he decided to find all instances of this short form in the Hebrew by starting in English. [:^)] This produced 26 results. I then stopped the video and went to Accordance, and obviously there are 49 hits.I ran the search myself in Logos and also produced 26 results. I then used the Hebrew in Logos which also produced 49 hits. While a lot of questions could be asked about why he would start with an English text, it did leave me wondering, why is there a number discrepancy between the English and Hebrew? Is it just an error?
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Kristin said:
why is there a number discrepancy between the English and Hebrew? Is it just an error?
No, one wouldn't expect them to match. Translation should never be based on the word only. Rather it reflects the meaning of the text and the grammatical requirements of each language for readability.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Hi MJ,
I agree completely that starting with the English is always a bad idea (as I expressed above). That said, what is the 26 supposed to be representing if not the Hebrew behind it? I thought that is what "lemma.h:יָהּ" meant.
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Kristin said:DMB said:
I recommend you experiment.
1. Go to settings,... 3. And during your work, 'saving' your layout isn't your only choice. The app periodically saves snap shots. And also saves a your layout when you shut down. That's heaven sent, when you make a mistake and need to go back ... even 2 weeks ago.
Hi DMB,
Thank you for the idea, and I think you are right about experimenting.
Kristin,
I think it is time you moved away from this long thread and voiced your queries in individual threads. This will provide better visibility and responses as this thread has gone beyond the point of attracting users when the current "question" is difficult to track.
Dave
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Hi Dave,
Thanks for letting me know. I had been nervous to post other places since I think the questions I have are as a result of not being familiar with the software. However, if it would be better for me to post language issues on a language thread, I can certainly do that. Thank you.
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Kristin said:
I thought that is what "lemma.h:יָהּ" meant.
One starts with the English when one wants to know every Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic lemma that is translated by the English word somewhere in the translation. One starts with the Hebrew when one wants to know what English words are used to translate the lemma. In both cases, you find all occurrences of word/lemma in the text. One starts with the English or with the Hebrew depending upon what you want to know. Both help you understand where the meanings in the two languages overlap and where they differ. Logos specifically prides itself in making some elements of original language study available to those who don't know the original languages ... following in the tradition of Strong.
Kristin said:I have are as a result of not being familiar with the software.
I find many of your questions relate to language study in general rather than relating specifically to Logos implementation. This question is an example where the issue is when to search on the English vs. when to search on the Hebrew. The answer is the same whether you are using paper concordances + Englishman concordances or if you are using one of the many multi-language software tools.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Kristin said:
However, if it would be better for me to post language issues on a language thread, I can certainly do that.
Don't start a "language issues" thread for a number of ongoing questions that blow out like this thread has. Just start a new thread with a meaningful, specific title when you have a different question that directly relate to the "how" of Logos.
Dave
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Hi Dave,
Ya, I understood that. [:)] To be honest, I had previously been nervous to post other places since I am worried my questions are just not being familiar with the software, but if it is fine to just post individual threads, that seems better to me too. Thank you for clarifying though.
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This appears to be a difference in tagging:
So it appears that the ESV is following the tagging of the LHB instead of the SESB.
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Brian Leathers said:
This appears to be a difference in tagging: So it appears that the ESV is following the tagging of the LHB instead of the SESB.
Thank you so much for the screenshot! Yes, that is for sure the reason for the discrepancy. [:)] Thank you. Thank you also for the screenshot on the other thread, that was really helpful.
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Hi, Rick Mansfield. (I guess my quote of your post above didn't take)
Greetings from a longtime Accordance user and forum participant, though not so much lately. I actually did own Logos way back in the earlier days of it's existence.
Anyway, the utter embarrassment that Brand X has become has led me to look into Logos. I called Logos sales to ask two questions:
1. Is there a crossgrade discount available from my Accordance software, and perhaps even my very large library? It was disappointing to hear that no such discount exists. To re-buy even a fraction of my Accordance library would simply not be possible for me at this stage of my life. A shame, but I guess not surprising.
2. Is there a family subscription that would allow me to pay a bit more for a single subscription but share it with my wife, each with our own "profiles," so to speak. Again, the answer was no.
Still, it's great to see your name here along with several others, including Kristin. I may yet jump ship but at a disappointingly low level. Sometimes you've just gotta start over from scratch. This appears to be one of those times.
God be with you, my helpful friend.
Long in the tooth ... short in the memory ... still carried by the grace of God through Jesus Christ, sealed by the Spirit.
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John Barnett said:
1. Is there a crossgrade discount available from my Accordance software, and perhaps even my very large library? It was disappointing to hear that no such discount exists. To re-buy even a fraction of my Accordance library would simply not be possible for me at this stage of my life. A shame, but I guess not surprising.
Hi John, I know you addressed this to Rick, but I just want to add my two cents that this was actually the reason why I went to Accordance in the first place. After BW died, I contacted Logos and got this response, so I contacted Accordance, and they were happy to help. While I am grateful to have Logos now also, Accordance has been (and is) a better fit for my language needs and workflow, so it worked out well having gone with them. But I agree completely that Logos' policy is unusual.
John Barnett said:Still, it's great to see your name here along with several others, including Kristin.
Thank you.
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I used to love personal books and have tons of them in my library. However, since the introduction of the Notes database, I have been moving more to putting everything in notes and anchoring whatever it is to verses to aid in searching and finding things. I find that much closer to what the user is looking for, although, unfortunately, notes will not scroll with the Bible text.
I also used Accordance for a long time when I first started looking at Bible software, and I keep it because of the superior graphics, but Logos is my favorite by far.
Good luck with finding what you need, and welcome to the forums.
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cshover8669 said:
I used to love personal books and have tons of them in my library. However, since the introduction of the Notes database, I have been moving more to putting everything in notes and anchoring whatever it is to verses to aid in searching and finding things.
I found a useful tool that lets you surface notes in which you have mentioned a verse, button anchored it.
A while ago I noticed in the passage guide that there was a section called "Your content." If you have the passage guide linked to your Bible, when you are scrolling through your Bible, it shows you notes and other features you have which relate to a passage where you have typed the verse into that note.
After that, I customised a guide, using only the "Your content"your content feature and called the guide my content. It works in commentaries and other resources as well.
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Antony Brennan said:
After that, I customised a guide, using only the "Your content"your content feature and called the guide my content. It works in commentaries and other resources as well.
You don't have to customize a guide, you can access any guide section alone if you scroll down in the guides menu. https://ref.ly/logos4/Guide?t=System+Guide+Customizations%3a+Your+Content+(Bible+Reference)
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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Justin Gatlin said:
You don't have to customize a guide, you can access any guide section alone if you scroll down in the guides menu. https://ref.ly/logos4/Guide?t=System+Guide+Customizations%3a+Your+Content+(Bible+Reference)
I know. But I wanted to customise it and call it ”My Content” 😎
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John Barnett said:
Hi, Rick Mansfield. (I guess my quote of your post above didn't take)
Greetings from a longtime Accordance user and forum participant, though not so much lately. I actually did own Logos way back in the earlier days of it's existence...
John, good to hear from you! Without giving away your email address publicly, do you still have the gmail address that uses a first initial, middle name, and last name? If so, I'd like to send you a direct email.
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Kristin, You're very welcome.
Editorial comment on my initial post:
Shortly after making it I regretted referring to Brand X as an "utter embarrassment." This was (and is) unfair and untrue as a blanket statement. (One particular matter of importance to me was behind the comment.)
When I tried to sign into the forum to remove it, for some reason the forum was not accepting the same login I had just used. When I reset my password this morning I found that the post was no longer editable by me, so I wanted to add this note of contrition.
I cannot comment on original language work in Logos, but Accordance is indeed a fabulous tool for that, and that was the reason I bought and used it in the first place.
Long in the tooth ... short in the memory ... still carried by the grace of God through Jesus Christ, sealed by the Spirit.
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Rick,
Email still the same, and of course I welcome any communication from you.
Long in the tooth ... short in the memory ... still carried by the grace of God through Jesus Christ, sealed by the Spirit.
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To Rick Mansfield
Rick you created a great screen for using Hoffmans Morphological Color coding in NA 28.
How did you do that? I am not computer savvy but I really liked what Dr Hoffman has done.
Thanks
Nick
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Nick Cole said:
Rick you created a great screen for using Hoffmans Morphological Color coding in NA 28.
How did you do that? I am not computer savvy but I really liked what Dr Hoffman has done.
Hi Nick! Not exactly certain what you mean by "great screen." Can you give me a few more details? Sorry my memory is fuzzy, but I've not even finished my first cup of coffee this morning ;-)
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I'm not Rick, but I did a little googling and saw a highlighting system that you could easily reproduce with a visual filter. Is this what you mean? Excuse the giant fonts. I blow my fonts up when I teach to make them easier to see on a projector.
If so, you can download the one I made here and tweak it as you see fit. https://flshare.net/p56cr4
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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DAL said:ReformedDoc said:
I am telling Nathan....
Great guy, but man did he ruined the Accordance forums and rubbed people the wrong way when he became “the face of Accordance!” I guess, as an employee, he’s required to do that; but Bad for business, though!
DAL
I've spent a long time in deep prayer whether I should respond to this or not. I've decided to go ahead and respond to ensure clarity from me on this. I've also told both Kristin and Rick some of this personally, and I'll also try to reach out to DAL personally as well.
I won't hijack the discussion on comparing both Bible apps since in my current position, it wouldn't be proper for me to do so, other than to say while I work for one company, I still have numerous friends over here who I consider to be dear brothers and sisters in Christ and fellow ministry laborers.
I've done administrative work for multiple and various forums and social media pages over the years (including when the weather company I work for had their own forums and blog and later their own full-fledged social media platform). With the exception of any clear violations of any community guidelines I was given wherever I worked or admined (such as a spammer posting obscene content, we received plenty of that on the weather forums), I have never personally unilaterally banned or restricted people's posting privileges on any site I have admined or took admin action without prior and extensive consultation with whatever team I was working with and with a collective decision from the team. Many admin-level changes over the years on places I have admined have been done in my personal admin account (even at the weather company I worked for), but I did not (and do not) unilaterally make admin-level decisions. To me, with great power comes great responsibility, and I never want to come across as a one-man "tyrant". If I have rubbed any people the wrong way over my years of admining various forums and social media accounts, I can assure you it has not been my personal intention, and I want to take a moment to personally say I am sorry for anyone I have rubbed the wrong way.
Sometimes I don't always come across as the nicest guy in the room, and I'll be the first one to admit that. However, I daily strive to at least be nicer than this guy.
Dr. Nathan Parker
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Hey all, I have been reading through this thread the past week and have found it immensely helpful. I've been saddened by the changes in Accordance leadership and lack of development of the software. I've also started the great migration to Logos. That being said, I feel a renewed excitement for Bible software and have been loving getting to know Logos more. It's also been great seeing so many familiar faces in this thread. I look forward to many years ahead of Bible study and research in Logos as part of this great community, if the Lord wills. Thanks again for all the tips (especially the one about the journal subscription for $50/year)!
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Robb Brunansky said:
I have been reading through this thread the past week and have found it immensely helpful. I've been saddened by the changes in Accordance leadership and lack of development of the software. I've also started the great migration to Logos.
Hi Robb,
I am glad you have found this thread helpful! I have also been really sad about the changes at Accordance (enough that here I am, and I have now invested a lot in Logos), but I still love doing most of my language work in Accordance. I hope both platforms are around forever as I find them both valuable.
Robb Brunansky said:It's also been great seeing so many familiar faces in this thread.
Same here. [:)]
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Robb Brunansky said:
Hey all.... I've also started the great migration to Logos.
Hi Robb, welcome to new pastures.
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