a question from an Accordance User
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DMB said:
I underlined analytics, to distingish making your work available across devices (important), vs Logos using your work for marketing to you/others (analytics).
Oh, ok. Thank you for clarifying. [:)]
DMB said:BTW I finally realized that your multiple workspaces in Accordance = multiple layouts in Logos. Logosians have long wanted that capability (instead of work-arounds). In Accordance, I usually have 3-4 open.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:@Kristin - as you are a hard core user of having multiple workspaces open simultaneously, Logos will always frustrate you at fundamental level. Over the years, I have advocated for this capability more than once and opened a feedback item on this, but I currently hold very little hope this will change any time soon, if ever. Accordance is still living (and I hope it continues to do so), so I would suggest that this is your primary platform of choice for your needs and use cases on this alone. If I were your shoes, I would continue to own Logos and play to its strengths when something makes sense to you. I have done this for many years and have gained a lot from both.
Hi Donovan,
Thank you very much for this explanation and for letting me know what you would recommend. I appreciate it, and I think I agree with you. I will use my workspaces in Accordance, and read ANET in Logos. [:)] Thank you.
Donovan R. Palmer said:Plus, you are a great addition to both communities.
Thank you. [:)] That means a lot to me!
Thank you for clarifying this!Donovan R. Palmer said:For years I have used Logos in very poor internet conditions in places like Africa, so I closely monitored what Logos needed and was doing. Unless you are downloading resources, Logos' use of the internet is negligible. In fact, depending on how your computer is configured, you might very well have other apps that at times demand more bandwidth in the background than what it does. With this said, you can make some adjustments in settings and even launch Logos into an 'offline mode'.
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For former accordance users, I have created a layout that allows you to search and study the hebrew and greek texts with all of your hebrew and greek lexicons and dictionaries following your english text and to perform word studies in hebrew and greek in one layout. Somewhat similar to accordance but I believe much better and more user friendly: Original Languages Study - Logos Forums. Try it out if you want and play with it and tweek it if you want. See if it helps you and feels a little like what you were used to with accordance but maybe better. [Y]
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@Brian! You are out of control! (in a very good way!)
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Brian Leathers said:
Try it out if you want and play with it and tweek it if you want. See if it helps you and feels a little like what you were used to with accordance but maybe better.
Hi Brian,
Thank you very much for letting us know. [:)] I will be sure to check out your post, I just wish there was a way to download it like the Accordance Exchange.
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Kristin said:
I just wish there was a way to download it like the Accordance Exchange.
There is a feedback item for this.
https://feedback.logos.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/make-layouts-sharable
Personally, I think Logos should do this with, or without feedback. The more the community shares and showcases their workflows, the better for everyone. Like some software platforms, I think there should be annual awards and recognition for the most downloads, the most innovative, etc.
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can you purchase datasets without have to purchase a package?
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Dick Roberts said:
can you purchase datasets without have to purchase a package?
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In Accordance after I highlight something, I am able to actually search for that highlight. Doing so will show me only the text which contains that specific highlight style (yellow highlight, green underline, or whatever).
Is there a way to do this in Logos?Thanks,
Kristin
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Kristin said:
Is there a way to do this in Logos?Yes - you use a string of the form highlight:"Highlighter Pens/Green Highlighter"
where the element before the / is the name of the highlighting palette while the element after is the name of the highlight itself
And you can use * to wildcard either one.
And an easy way to generate the search is from the Information Tool
With that open, if you click a word that contains a highlight then the details of the highlight will show in the Highlights section of the Information Tool.
Click that to run an Inline Search for that highlight in the book you are studying
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Graham Criddle said:
Yes - you use a string of the form highlight:"Highlighter Pens/Green Highlighter"
where the element before the / is the name of the highlighting palette while the element after is the name of the highlight itself
And you can use * to wildcard either one.
Hi Graham,
Great! Thank you for your help. [:)]
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If I am reading in a book (not a Bible, in case it matters), and I search for a word, the search results appear to the right, which is fine.
However, as soon as I open a specific hit from those search results, instead of it opening the book in a new tab, it just refreshes the book I had open to that new page, completely demolishing where I had been in the text.
In Accordance there is a "recycle" option which you can turn off which causes expanded search results to open in a new tab as opposed to writing over what you are working on. Is there a way to "turn off recycle" in Logos?0 -
If I am reading in a book (not a Bible, in case it matters), and I search for a word, the search results appear to the right, which is fine.
However, as soon as I open a specific hit from those search results, instead of it opening the book in a new tab, it just refreshes the book I had open to that new page, completely demolishing where I had been in the text.
In Accordance there is a "recycle" option which you can turn off which causes expanded search results to open in a new tab as opposed to writing over what you are working on. Is there a way to "turn off recycle" in Logos?0 -
Kristin said:Is there a way to "turn off recycle" in Logos?
does right click, "open link in a new tab" work for you?
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Aaron Hamilton said:
Kristin said:
Is there a way to "turn off recycle" in Logos?
does right click, "open link in a new tab" work for you?
Hi Aaron,
I don't think so. If I right click from the search box, I just get that "send to Proclaim" thing again, and there doesn't seem to be an option to open in a new tab.0 -
Kristin said:
If I right click from the search box, I just get that "send to Proclaim" thing again, and there doesn't seem to be an option to open in a new tab.
That's strange - it worked for me
And once you have a second copy open, you can open the panel menu (three dots icon at the top right) and select Send hyperlinks here. Then simply clicking a search result will update the place in that copy and not your original one
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Graham Criddle said:
select Send hyperlinks here
This is great advice from Graham. I think you may be able to make good use of this functionality. It will save you having to right click on all of your links and open them in new tabs, unless, of course you want several open at once. In this case, even after having a designated tab to send your hyperlinks to, you can right click to open specific links in new tabs.
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Kristin said:Aaron Hamilton said:
Kristin said:
Is there a way to "turn off recycle" in Logos?
does right click, "open link in a new tab" work for you?
Hi Aaron,
I don't think so. If I right click from the search box, I just get that "send to Proclaim" thing again, and there doesn't seem to be an option to open in a new tab.The Send to Proclaim, is a right-click on the found search term, and the right-click menu on Selection instead of the link choice below it.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Per MJ's suggestion in another thread, you can also drag and drop links.
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Graham Criddle said:
And once you have a second copy open, you can open the panel menu (three dots icon at the top right) and select Send hyperlinks here. Then simply clicking a search result will update the place in that copy and not your original one
Hi Graham,
That is odd that you have the option to open it in a new tab and I don't. Given your screenshot, it must have to do with the fact that you are trying to send a link, as opposed to a word, I suppose.
Anyway, I sort of figured out a workaround of duplicating the book I am reading, then do the "send hyperlinks here" to the duplicate. This is obviously several more steps than turning off recycle in Accordance, but for sure a helpful workaround.
Aaron Hamilton said:This is great advice from Graham. I think you may be able to make good use of this functionality. It will save you having to right click on all of your links and open them in new tabs, unless, of course you want several open at once. In this case, even after having a designated tab to send your hyperlinks to, you can right click to open specific links in new tabs.
Hi Aaron,
I agree it is great advice from Graham. [:)] Just to be clear though, I would love the ability to right click and have it open in a new tab... but I just get Send to Proclaim if I right click. Duplicating my page, send results to the duplicate, then opening the search result is all certainly clunkier than Accordance, but for sure better than it eating my page as it had been.
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Kristin said:
Just to be clear though, I would love the ability to right click and have it open in a new tab... but I just get Send to Proclaim if I right click.
Please post a screenshot showing what you are describing.
It would be great to get to the bottom of this!
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Kristin said:
I would love the ability to right click and have it open in a new tab
DMB explained this. You need to select link from the left side of the context menu to have the options visible on the right side. Sorry, can't sent screenshot right now.
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Graham Criddle said:
Please post a screenshot showing what you are describing.
It would be great to get to the bottom of this!
Aaron Hamilton said:DMB explained this. You need to select link from the left side of the context menu to have the options visible on the right side. Sorry, can't sent screenshot right now.
Hi Graham and Aaron,
Oh! Ok, I finally get it. So a "link" means "text." I had thought that the link was going to open an external link. I tried it and it in fact worked, so that is good to know! Thank you both and also to DMB. [:)] Given that is working, I don't think I need a screenshot.
Btw, now the "Send to Proclaim" is missing. Not that I miss it, per se, but I am confused why sometimes it is my only option, and sometimes I don't see it at all. I guess I will show a screenshot anyway since it is missing. (Btw, this screenshot is back to the bible searching φιλεῖ since I had closed that other experiment. One of the side effects of not allowing multiple workspaces open, I suppose.)
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Kristin said:
now the "Send to Proclaim" is missing.
What you select on the left side of the context menu will always determine what you see on the right side. If you click on "selection" again on the left side, you'll see send to proclaim again.
To be clear, link means link. You are right clicking a link that sends you to a specific location in one of your resources. It's not merely text. It's a hyperlink.
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Aaron Hamilton said:
What you select on the left side of the context menu will always determine what you see on the right side. If you click on "selection" again on the left side, you'll see send to proclaim again.
Hi Aaron,
Ok, thanks. It took me a minute to find it again, then once I did, I couldn't get rid of it until I started over. So I think if it happens again, I need to be mindful that I must have clicked something on the left side. That is for sure better than it being random as it had seemed to be.
Aaron Hamilton said:To be clear, link means link. You are right clicking a link that sends you to a specific location in one of your resource. It's not merely text. It's a hyperlink.
If I am understanding correctly, you mean that when opening the word as a new tab in the Greek NT, the Greek NT is considered a link, since it is not opening all of the NT, but only the parts containing the word, and is thus a link? Or are all resources called links?
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Kristin said:
If I am understanding correctly, you mean that when opening the word as a new tab in the Greek NT, the Greek NT is considered a link, since it is not opening all of the NT, but only the parts containing the word, and is thus a link? Or are all resources called links?
The search generates links in the results that can be clicked on to bring you to the location of that result within the resource. They can usually be identified by the blue color.
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Aaron Hamilton said:
The search generates links in the results that can be clicked on to bring you to the location of that result within the resource. They can usually be identified by the blue color.
Oh, ok, thanks for clarifying. Tbh, at first I wasn't sure what you meant since I had perceived the search as the word I was searching (which is in black), or the text (such as the ESV or UBS or whatever, which is black). However, I see now it is referring to the chapter which is a hyperlink. The hyperlink seemed to sort of just be in the way, since I keep trying to select things from the search window. I know that I can't, but it is so instinctive to click in it that is is easy to forget. Anyway, I finally understand why it is called a link. [:)]
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Kristin,
I'm glad to hear this aspect makes sense now. I hope things in general are slowly making more sense as well. From what it sounds like (never used Accordance) it's a big change.
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Aaron Hamilton said:
Kristin,
I'm glad to hear this aspect makes sense now. I hope things in general are slowly making more sense as well. From what it sounds like (never used Accordance) it's a big change.
Hi Aaron,
Thank you, and yes, things are finally starting to make more sense. [:)] To be honest, I think I will still need to always use Accordance for intense research because of the multiple layouts (and also because I find the way Greek and Hebrew are handled to just be smoother over all). That said, the more I use Logos, the more useful I am finding it, especially for reading non-biblical works which aren't available in Accordance. The library Logos has available really is remarkable. Thank you again for your help!
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Kristin said:
That said, the more I use Logos, the more useful I am finding it, especially for reading non-biblical works which aren't available in Accordance. The library Logos has available really is remarkable.
I have built up my library over 20 years, upgrading and buying bits and pieces on sale, and it has really become something very special to me. I use it every day and find it remarkable to carry around a seminary type library on my laptop.
Make sure that you make good use of collections and tagging. The new Smart Search is also very useful for natural language enquiries, which can then be honed down into precise searches.
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Kristin said:
To be honest, I think I will still need to always use Accordance for intense research because of the multiple layouts (and also because I find the way Greek and Hebrew are handled to just be smoother over all).
Use it as much as you can because you never know when Accordance might just go out of business. Hopefully they won't! But if you can manage to learn Logos and master it, you won't even need Accordance anymore.
DAL
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