Don't want to see 100's of logos books
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Patrick S. said:
It gets worse — all titles you buy on Vryso website end up in your Logos Bible Software. Now that's ok if it is a respected theological treatise, but do you really want to see Gigi's pretty pink thoughts coming up in your (cough) scholarly Logos searches??
Patrick, adding Vyrso ebooks into common library with Logos is by design. There are very good reasons for it. But even in our paper libraries, we do not keep novels together with cookbooks or theological volumes - we use separate bookshelves for them. I admit, this is one area where it is a LITTLE easier to organize paper books than electronic. But there is a solution called "collections" as many pointed out so well. You can create a dynamic collection by going Tools>Collections and simply typing "ebook" in your "Start with resources matching" search field - name the resulting collection anything you want.
Creating Theology, Counseling, Bible Manners and Customs, etc collections will not only speed up your searches, but will give you more relevant results. Note, Author's collections (such as Spurgeon's or Calvin's writings are automatically done for you by Logos).
Patrick S. said:I've tested this (not with 'There's a Princess in Me' !!) I just bought a John MacArthur title in Vyrso and it got pulled into Logos 4. Yeah you can put the book in the 'hidden resources' box in Logos, but do we really want to be bothered having to do that?? No.
I am not quite sure how "hiding" a resource in Logos will affect its availability in Vyrso reader. I assume it will be unavailable as well. Hiding a resource should not be a big deal (actually, even seeing Gigi come up in one of my "full library" searches on "grace" is not a big deal to me. I can simply ignore that search result. Now, if I was presenting something really serious before scholarly audience...) HOWEVER Logos made it a HUGE deal by only allowing users to hide one book at a time. Had they made it more convenient, it would be a non-issue.
Robert Ellis said:I purchased some new books today in my ipad
then signed in to vyrso but the list of books was buried my by my logos books
Logos should really address the User Interface of their libraries in both Logos and Vyrso. They are really lagging behind the usability curve. My suggestion is to sort the library by type (ebook) or by latest downloaded.
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I haven't tried this, but can't those who intend to buy a lot of cook books and childrens' books and definitely want their Logos and Vyrso libraries separate simply open a separate account to buy such books from? (Think first, though! Logos is definitely not going to be happy if they start getting loads of requests to merge accounts or move individual books from one account to another!)
That said, I would very much want the ability to (just like naming something My Passage Guide automatically makes it the default PG) tag things as Hidden and thereby have them automatically excluded from collections, searches and the Library view. And then a simple check box in Library to turn the filter on and off. (Actually I already have a lot of things tagged as Hidden, but currently I have to manually twist search strings when I want to exclude them.)
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Dave Hooton said:
You have to rebuild index to completely get rid of hidden books (if you temporarily hide a book there is no expensive indexing when you unhide!).
AAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!
Every time Logos downloads (you have no choice) and indexes (you have no choice) every title bought from Vyrso that you don't want in Logos and you want to clean up your index you need to do a total rebuild?!? Yeah right — great (not).
"I want to know all God's thoughts; the rest are just details." - Albert Einstein
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yep
Having bought my first 5 books - I am kinda on hold until they tidy this up
which I am sure they will do
I had to laugh at the idea of recipes or the story of the pink princess ending up in logos
Rob
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Patrick S. said:
It gets worse — all titles you buy on Vryso website end up in your Logos Bible Software. Now that's ok if it is a respected theological treatise, but do you really want to see Gigi's pretty pink thoughts coming up in your (cough) scholarly Logos searches??
I've tested this (not with 'There's a Princess in Me' !!) I just bought a John MacArthur title in Vyrso and it got pulled into Logos 4. Yeah you can put the book in the 'hidden resources' box in Logos, but do we really want to be bothered having to do that?? No.
Thanks to everyone who has commented and offered suggestions on this issue.
I'm reasonably competent with Logos and I'm aware of the technical possibilities regarding collections and filters etc. etc. and I have no problem whatsoever having titles bought in Vyrso appear in my Logos 4 application — if I want them there. I want to have, and be able to make, the choice — me.
Here's the thing:
- Most of the people who are saying this will be primarily buying scholarly (as in matching Logos) titles. They won't have a problem.
- There is now situation where we have two 'bookshops' for scholarly titles — Logos.com & Vyrso.com — there are good titles on Vyrso that are not available on Logos. What's the logic determining which bookshop a title is sold in? Not that I care in one sense — as long as I can easily add, up front, to Logos 4 only what I want.
- If one uses filters like "not ebook" in searches in Logos then ALL Vyrso titles will be excluded — excellent theological titles as well as 'pretty princess'.
- I don't want to be forced to use collections to restrict/filter books in Logos just to get valid content. I've paid big money to get a library that has the distilled knowledge, life experience and spirituality of thousands of persons over more than 2,000+ years. If I am doing an initial type of query I WANT to see results from every book & author. What's the point of restricting (in this case) searches to collections of authors you like. That's like only accepting input from people you like and/or are familiar with. What's the benefit in that!
- I can just see the untechnical user Pastor/Dr/Prof Vagueness using Logos and doing a query like "exercise power princess" and coming up with all sorts of weird titles. Then they'll be on the Logos 4 forums in a flash. Logos 4 has enough problems already... to get decent performance people have to magically know not to do things like text comparisons on complete Bible books, jumpy scrolling etc. etc.
It's great that we have Vyrso — organise it so that it is a plus, not a pain.
p.s. FYI other Bible software can do multiple version Bible text comparisons of the whole Bible at once without raising a sweat.
"I want to know all God's thoughts; the rest are just details." - Albert Einstein
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I can see your point and I agree with you. with the addition of Vyrso there should be additional tools to help manage our Library. New users should not be expected to know that if you need to type ebook to filter vyrso resources.
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Jacob Hantla said:
Easy solution for Logos 4 is to make collections to allow you search keeping your Vyrso and non-Vyrso books separate
Vyrso books:
Non-Vyrso books
Then a search of your non-Vyrso books would just look like this:
Also, you can limit by collections when searching in Logos for iOS, so these collections could help you.
Personally, since my vyrso books are all theological, I can't see any reason why I'd use these collections, but for those who are asking about how to keep them separate, this seems like an easy solution to me.
I think, the problem is not with Vyrso versus non-Vyrso but with the content of the book. This is something that's not adressed to a deep enough level by the Logos-supplied metadata. I have tagged "the Facade" and "Hood" with a tag "fiction" and thus now have a collection "fiction" and another one "non-fiction" which is my entire library minus the "fiction" collection.
Thus, due to the dynamic nature of collections, should Logos release the "Complete works of C.S.Lewis" bundle, I can tag the Narnia-books as fiction and they won't clog up a search for "Lion". It would be nice if the tagging was auto-supplied by Logos, but I think I can handle that without employing a librarian.
Have joy in the Lord!
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NewbieMick said:
It would be nice if the tagging was auto-supplied by Logos, but I think I can handle that without employing a librarian.
Think of the economy, man! [:D]
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alabama24 said:NewbieMick said:
It would be nice if the tagging was auto-supplied by Logos, but I think I can handle that without employing a librarian.
Think of the economy, man!
That's what Kevin does: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/38954/291227.aspx#291227 - in my case it would be the German economy, anyway [B]
Have joy in the Lord!
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NewbieMick said:
in my case it would be the German economy, anyway
German Librarians need work too! (once Oktoberfest is finished) [:)]
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alabama24 said:
German Librarians need work too! (once Oktoberfest is finished)
Or... once Oktoberfest is finished with them!
http://www.life.com/gallery/48911/image/104244087/oktoberfest-2010-the-casualties
"I want to know all God's thoughts; the rest are just details." - Albert Einstein
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Has anyone figured out a reliable bookmarking system for these books from the new site yet? I read several chapters of Red Scorpion and bookmarked it and then did some biblestudy. Unfortunately the ios app will not let you name your bookmark so you better know it's desigantion. And if you cant remember the itle your in real trouble.
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bill triplett said:
Has anyone figured out a reliable bookmarking system for these books from the new site yet?
First, I agree that a good bookmarking system is needed. However, are you aware that when you reopen the book, it will open to where you left off?
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Hi
I am aware that it will open where you left off
but I have found that a bit buggie and have had to start again if I have switched books
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Ted said:
I would like to see my Vyrso books in my Logos library. For me I would not invest in Vyrso books If Logos decides to remove it from my Logos library.
I strongly agree - one of the main values I see with Vyrso and Logos is having all my books together. If they separate them, then I would stop buying Vyrso books.
I also agree with the above posts that I do not want to see Gigi comments show up in a search next to Charles Spurgeon.
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Ronald Quick said:Ted said:
I would like to see my Vyrso books in my Logos library. For me I would not invest in Vyrso books If Logos decides to remove it from my Logos library.
I strongly agree - one of the main values I see with Vyrso and Logos is having all my books together. If they separate them, then I would stop buying Vyrso books.
I think that's the majority over here.Ronald Quick said:I also agree with the above posts that I do not want to see Gigi comments show up in a search next to Charles Spurgeon.
This, however, seems unavoidable if you use Basic Search and run it against the entire library. If there was a content-driven separation between Logos and Vyrso, you could rely on the new "edition:" field - otherwise it helps building collections and using tags.
Mick
Have joy in the Lord!
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Ted said:
I would like to see my Vyrso books in my Logos library. For me I would not invest in Vyrso books If Logos decides to remove it from my Logos library.
I agree Ted. I can see myself buying something by Martyn Lloyd-Jones, or some like him, in Vyrso. I would certainly want that in my Logos Library, too.
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