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Michael Childs said:
It does seem to me as long as you don't share it, and delete it when you have read it, that this is fair use. Others disagree. You have to decide for yourself if this is ethical.
With the direction Logos is going with the printing feature and wide-ranged availability, I think this is true.With the beta version's print feature it is super easy to save a large chunk of text as a PDF. Logos has said you can use the resources on as many computers and platforms as you would like so long as you are not sharing. My guess is that they want you to get the most of the program and the investment with them you have made. If exporting to PDF with integrity allows that to happen, I personally don't see a problem.
Of course, I'm not one of the publishers or authors :-)
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This kind of use clearly falls under the principles set forth in the Fair Use Provision of the 1976 Copyright Act, despite the fact that 34 years ago, the kinds of devices we are using were not directly addressed. It's not even an ethical question at this point. It's simply allowed. This includes not just the creating of PDFs for your own use, but also using material that you have in Bible software in education settings such as using a data projector to share images with a group. Content can even be copied onto handouts for educational purposes; however, if a publisher has not granted permission for this kind of distribution, all handouts have to be gathered back up when the class session is over.
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R. Mansfield said:
This kind of use clearly falls under the principles set forth in the Fair Use Provision of the 1976 Copyright Act, despite the fact that 34 years ago, the kinds of devices we are using were not directly addressed.
Thanks for the info!
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Philip Spitzer said:
With the beta version's print feature it is super easy to save a large chunk of text as a PDF.
I'm using beta, but I'm not quite sure how this works (That is, saving text into PDF).
Elder/Pastor, Hope Now Bible Church, Fresno CA
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Roger Feenstra said:
I'm using beta, but I'm not quite sure how this works (That is, saving text into PDF).
Use Print/Export and a PDF printer driver (you will likely have to download one).
Prov. 15:23
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You can also copy and paste a limited amount of text into Word. It is then easy to convert the text into a Kindle book. I will sometimes do this so I can listen to a book that I purchased from Logos while driving. The Kindle does a good job of converting text to speech. Being able to listen to my Logos books on my Kindle gives those books greater value than the same book in print. As a result, I buy more books from Logos than I would otherwise.
As I understand the Logos license, it goes with the user and not the machine. The Logos website summaries it as follows: "The short version is this: "The license goes with the user. Every user must purchase their own package. If you have a work machine and a laptop and they are both yours for your personal use, you may load it on both for your personal use - because the license goes with the user." Can you purchase one package and have two people use it? No. The license goes with the user. The license is a single user license."
http://www.logos.com/ArticleViewer/2090This enlightened approach to the software license is one reason why I spend so much money on Logos products.
In an interesting development, the Library of Congress recently relaxed the rules on "text to speech" and copyrights.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/media/how-library-of-congresss-digital-copyright-exemptions-affect-e/19569018/Bill
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Does anyone know how the new Kindle 3G "webkit" browser will be? Any chance that it could be faster than the previous browser?
Joel
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Just to clarify, I am curious about the speed of the new Kindle 3G browser? Apparently, it's a webkit browser (which is used by Safari), and with the faster refresh rates, I wonder if it'd be possible to access library.logos.com at a reasonable speed.
12 seconds does seem too slow for most situations, but 2 or 3 seconds might be doable.
If anyone gets to try one, please let us curious folks know about the speed of the new browser.
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Joel,
I found the following review of the Kindle 3 browser: "Its web browser, now based on WebKit (like modern smartphone browsers) is much improved, but due to the limitations of the hardware (most importantly the greyscale e-ink display) it's easily bested by any modern smartphone. The browser is listed as "experimental," and aptly so." http://www.fastcompany.com/1684575/wanted-amazon-kindle-3rd-generation
Bill
Joel J. said:Lust to clarify, I am curious about the speed of the new Kindle 3G browser? Apparently, it's a webkit browser (which is used by Safari), and with the faster refresh rates, I wonder if it'd be possible to access library.logos.com at a reasonable speed.
12 seconds does seem too slow for most situations, but 2 or 3 seconds might be doable.
If anyone gets to try one, please let us curious folks know about the speed of the new browser.
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I just received my Kindle 3 and tried library.logos.com. It works fairly well. This is my first Kindle so I have no basis of comparison to previous Kindles. A couple videos I watched while waiting for the K3 to arrive show remarkable speed improvements in this version verses the K2.
A few things to note
- The font is a little small when reading a text. It's still readable, but if you are reading on a Kindle for low vision problems you will continue to have problems on library.logos.com. If you change the font size, only the images at the top/bottom of the website change. The text itself stays the same size.
- The article mode allows you to change text size. However, doing this removes the navigation arrows on the website. You would have to change to article mode, increase text size, read all of that page, go back to web mode, navigate to the arrow, click it, wait for page to load, go back to article mode, increase text size.....
- Navigation is not that difficult. I read a few pages and when you get to the bottom, you have to navigate to the arrow to click to the next page. When you get to the bottom of the second page, the Kindle remembers the location of the last click so it is usually fairly close to the arrow again. Often, it appeared on the arrow, but certainly not every time.
- Speed: I was using the wifi so I cannot comment as to 3G speeds. The wifi was quite responsive. By making the website limited on graphics, Logos has really helped for the page to load quickly. It was as fast as or perhaps faster loading on the Kindle than on my HTC Incredible.
Overall, the website is usable. The ideal would be for the website to load the entire book or at least chapter then you could read like any other Kindle book. That would take longer to load, but it would be faster than navigating to the next page. If you had to stop reading at a point, you would have to locate where you were in your reading. The small font might be a problem for some, but it did not bother me that much. I think I will use it on occasion but I will more likely learn to export specific books I want to read to PDF.
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This is a very helpful review. Thanks for taking the time to let us know how the new kindle works. I look forward to hearing more about pdf exporting.
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I'm in total agreement with Paul's recent post. He beat me to the punch, but his review is even better than the one I had. Thanks, Paul!
The Kindle 3 is very nice to use, and in my opinion, it is worth getting a Kindle 3 just to use for Logos. I have been pleasantly surprised at how well it has performed.
I also agree that the website could (or should) be updated to use with Kindle. Switching pages can be a bit cumbersome, but it's "almost" there. Like Paul said, if entire chapters or an entire book could load, then it would be very easy.
I have already emailed Logos to suggest that they update their website to work with Kindle, and I hope that you all do, too. On the WiFi, it performs very well. Granted, we would all use a computer for research, but for reading extended portions of books, library.logos.com on a Kindle is nearly perfect. All it needs is one tweak...
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I wouldn't really suggest reading PDF's on the Kindle. It is better to drag and drop a text file, or if you have a PDF, convert it to Amazon's .azw format. It is easier to read than a PDF.
On the Kindle DX, though, PDF's would be easy and awesome. That would be the way to go if you plan on lots of PDF's.
Joel
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Kevin, Can you actually just copy the book material and put it in Word and then email it to Kindle?
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What I do is export what I want to read as an html document and then I add chapter links and e-mail it to my free kindle address. Unfortunately, I think I can only get 100 pages at a time. So for longer books it takes several rounds. Anyway, the idea of having a kindle for me is to be able to read my material when I am on the road and do not have access to the internet.
The spirit of a pilgrim greatly facilitates praying. An earth-bound, earth-satisfied spirit cannot pray.--E. M. Bounds
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BRIAN, CAN YOU TELL HOW DO YOU ADD CHAPTER LINKS IN EXPORTING.
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PASTOR DONG C.TELAN said:
BRIAN, CAN YOU TELL HOW DO YOU ADD CHAPTER LINKS IN EXPORTING.
One way is to export to Word
Create the links
>select text
>Ctrl K
>Create Bookmark
>Link to the bookmarkSave Doc
Load into Calibre (free software) and create MOBI file.
This would make an ebook readable on the Kindle but is alot of work and is, in my befuddled brain, a gray area regarding digital rights.Making a chapter or two, or a days worth of reading into a PDF or MOBI and then deleting the files after reading on the Kindle when away from the PC and internet would eliminate much need for links and troubles my conscience little.
Hope that helps.
Rejoice in this Lord's day
rob
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The best thing about reading Logos books on the Kindle is the ablity of the Kindle to read them out loud with its text-to-speech feature. I have listened to several of my Logos books while driving to and from work.
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Bill Gordon said:
The best thing about reading Logos books on the Kindle is the ablity of the Kindle to read them out loud with its text-to-speech feature. I have listened to several of my Logos books while driving to and from work.
Definitely. I am finishing my last year of seminary, and with an hour commute, the Kindle has saved my behind. The text-to-speech feature allowed me to read hundreds of pages (or rather, listen to them) while driving.I'd also add that the page quality is clearer and of better quality than most print books. Especially in sun light, the Kindle is so easy on my easy. I was surprised that it performs better in the light. It does not shine like some papers do.
- joel
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Bill Gordon said:
The best thing about reading Logos books on the Kindle is the ablity of the Kindle to read them out loud with its text-to-speech feature
Wait. How do you do this? from Biblia?
EDIT: Disregard. I reviewed the discussion and saw your previous post.
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Agreed. Its not a case of Librinox 'competing' with Amazon.
I have a Kindle. I have Logos (on mac). Its a 'no brainer' to want to be able to read Logos great resources on a portable device designed for reading. I just want to read, not markup or fiddle or search; just read. I then want to be able to use that knowledge I gained, in sermon preparation which I do back in Logos on the macbook.
At the moment, I have to either:
1) use the trapdoor (non-optimised) route of browsing for my logos resources on the Kindle, or
2) dump out my Logos resources to MS Word (bit by bit), then save as PDF (or use Calibre eBook management), then import to Kindle. Not a low-maintenance solution!
If Logos resources were all available in Kindle format (to Logos customers), then I'd purchase more resources through Logos, rather than deciding to wait for them to be kindle-ised (via amazon), or go the poor customer just wants the obvious but can't get it route above.
Librinox will lose out unless they go multi-format, and they will gain customer loyalty and more revenues if they open out to Kindle. The lock-in that Librinox has is the license cost of the resource and the software. I've paid for that, now I'm politely 'demanding' Kindle format Logos resources. Thanks.
Does anyone know, meanwhile, whether there is a 3rd party logos-to-kindle batch converter? (not to pdf, but to native kindle) I'd pay $25 for that, as long as it was kept up to date with format changes either end. If not, then where is the commercial restriction? Who is not opening up the formats via an SDK? I guess Amazon see loss of revenue if they let Librinox at it for free. So, what do Amazon charge for an SDK? This would be a small development and testing project for a professional software operation to undertake... Do Librinox want to sub it out?
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I agree, Justin. I have many Logos resources that I want to read simply for edification. I use Logos for research, but I'm not real thrilled to read a resource on my Lenovo notebook. Reading on a Logos-loaded iPad may be good, but I don't have a real need to spend $500 or whatever for an iPad. I already have more Logos pre-pubs than I can afford! Being able to read many of my Logos resources on Kindle, without involved work-arounds, would be ideal. Until then, I'll have to learn to do the work-around.
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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Bill Moore said:
I'll have to learn to do the work-around
The workaround isn't terrible. I am reading 1-2 chapters of Grudem's ST with other pastors weekly. It only takes a minute to copy a chapter, paste to Word and email to kindle. It makes for a really nice read. The major drawbacks for me are the lack of links to the biblical text and the lack of Hebrew font (Greek comes through).
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Justin Smith said:
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Librinox will lose out unless they go multi-format, and they will gain customer loyalty and more revenues if they open out to Kindle. The lock-in that Librinox has is the license cost of the resource and the software. I've paid for that, now I'm politely 'demanding' Kindle format Logos resources. Thanks.
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It will depend on what the license agreement is. It seems some publishers may want to charge Logos a license for each copy of each book in each format ... so if a user wanted it on Logos desktop and on iPhone and on Kindle that cou;ld be more than one license to pay. ... I assume ...
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How do you get logos books into your kindle? I run mine on an ipad and it would be amazing to do that.
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Josh Reich said:
How do you get logos books into your kindle? I run mine on an ipad and it would be amazing to do that.
If have iPad, recommend using free Logos application to read Logos licensed resources along with Kindle application to read Kindle licensed books and Nook application to read Nook licensed books - all 3 applications support downloading books for offline reading.
Earlier in this thread are steps for creating a document for use in Kindle => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/5094/81275.aspx#81275 along with copyright discussion since Logos licensing does not include Kindle use. Likewise Kindle e-book licensing does not include Logos (nor Nook); Nook also does not license books for use by Logos or Kindle.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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I just got a Kindle recently (I also have an iPad). One advantage the Kindle has is that it can read books to you. This is very handy at times. For instance, I was near the end of a chapter in a book on my Kindle the other day, but needed to be somewhere later. Although I was very into the book, I had to go. So while driving, I plugged my headphones into the Kindle and let it read the rest of the chapter to me. This is a great feature that is simply not available on the iPad. Yes, there are universal access settings on the iPad that will read text, but it is screen by screen. The Kindle will continue to read a book to you until you either stop it or the book ends.
Since I just got my Kindle, I'm still learning what works best on it, and what doesn't. Although some Logos books can be accessed through the Kindle's experimental browser, the Kindle doesn't read web pages.
The better solution is the one that's been described before. Simply copy the text of a book from your computer to a Word document and send it to your Kindle's email address. You can either read that document normally as you would with a regular Kindle book or you can have your Kindle read it to you. It's really great.
As for the discussions last year about copyright, those are all red herrings. The kind of personal use I just described is protected under the fair use provisions of US copyright laws.
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OK, I'm convinced, I'm going to buy a Kindle. Can you give me some advice. I live in Europe, Latvia. Is it possible for me to buy a Kindle from America? Or will I have problems with charging the batteries? Or other problems maybe?
Mat 6:33
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A.A. van der Leij said:
OK, I'm convinced, I'm going to buy a Kindle. Can you give me some advice. I live in Europe, Latvia. Is it possible for me to buy a Kindle from America? Or will I have problems with charging the batteries? Or other problems maybe?
This may help: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003DZ1Y7M. You can select Latvia in the "Primary Country of Use." I have been extremely pleased with my Kindle.
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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I read somewhere and can't find it now, that you have 2 addresses on Kindle. one; ***@kindle.com and the other: ***@free.kindle.com. What I can't work out is how I create the address at free.kindle.com. If I want kindle to convert files to kindle format, will they do it for free at free.kindle.com? Or do I need to send them to kindle..com? I can't find any instructions anywhere on kindle site or in user manual. They may be there, but are well hidden! Can anyone advise me? The PDFs are not too comfortable for my ageing eyes to read... [:(]
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