Collection rules for sorting commentaries (updated for Logos 9 Libraries)
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John Duffy said:
I've found them very useful. I have even created multiple groups of them, after having rated commentaries by 3, 4 or 5 stars. By adding a ratings filter to the end of the collection rules, I have arranged into groups of Best ( AND rating:=5), Good ( AND rating:=4) and other ( AND rating:<4)
I agree that it's great to have smaller-collections for your favourite technical commentaries, etc. But let me suggest an alternative method.
Instead of adding (AND rating:=5) to the end of the rule, create an additional collection with the simple rule: rating:<5. You can call that ("Not favourites" or something". Now create a new collection called "Favourite Technical Commentaries". In the Plus these resources section, add your Technical Commentaries collection. In the Minus these Resouces add in the Not Favourites collection.
This method has the following advantages:
- When the collection rules change, you only have to update them in one place.
- The "Favourite XXX Commentaries" collections have no rules, and only depend on collections that have already been cached, so they're quicker.
- It's quicker to drag/drop collections into Plus/Minus these resources than it is to copy, paste and modify the rules.
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Mark Barnes said:
I agree that it's great to have smaller-collections for your favourite technical commentaries, etc. But let me suggest an alternative method.
Instead of adding (AND rating:=5) to the end of the rule, create an additional collection with the simple rule: rating:<5. You can call that ("Not favourites" or something". Now create a new collection called "Favourite Technical Commentaries". In the Plus these resources section, add your Technical Commentaries collection. In the Minus these Resouces add in the Not Favourites collection.
Hi Mark,
That's a great idea. Thanks for that. That'll save a bit of time updating them from time to time.
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David A Egolf said:
It seems odd that the Faithlife Study Bible and the ESV Study Bible don't seem to fit in any of these collections. They both are of Bible Notes type.
I exclude anything that's not of type:commentary.
I do have a Study Bible collection that I use personally, but haven't shared. I've made a few alterations to make it shareable. It's:
type:"bible notes" AND subject:bible ANDNOT ({Series "The Numerical Bible"} OR {Author "Owens, John Joseph","Roffens, Samuel","Barnard, P. Mordaunt","Robinson, H. Wheeler","Burkitt, F. Crawford","Dubis, Mark"})
I'll add it to the first post and share it if others find it works for them. (The author exclusions just seemed like the best way to exclude various "not really a study Bible" resources, partly because the title field isn't supported with the new syntax.)
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I just updated to L8 SR2 and still am unable to find Mark's collections after deleting them all. Has this been an acknowledged bug, or is there some kind of cleanup procedure than I need to do in order to 'flush' the system to get everything to show back up?
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danwdoo said:
I just updated to L8 SR2 and still am unable to find Mark's collections after deleting them all. Has this been an acknowledged bug, or is there some kind of cleanup procedure than I need to do in order to 'flush' the system to get everything to show back up?
Yes, it's an acknowledged bug: Previously deleted shared collections can't be re-downloaded
You can undelete the collections from https://documents.logos.com/
You may then get an option to updated the collections to the latest version from within Logos or on the documents site. I'd be glad to hear whether that works for you.
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Thanks for letting me know. I don't mind waiting for a fix, I just wanted to make sure it is eventually coming.
I'll check to see if any updated ones show up.
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Bug report:
"The New International Greek Testament Commentary: Expanded Paraphrase of 2 Corinthians" should be in "Commentaries (Technical)".
By the way, are there any better way for the community to contribute to a public document? It will be nice if I can edit it and submit a "merge request" rather than relying the original author to do it manually.
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edit: Forget this, it already is.
Bug report:
"The New Bible Commentary" should be in "Commentaries (One Volume)"
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Also, it is quite common to have 2 volume commentaries, 1 for OT, 1 for NT.
Literally they aren't "One Volume Commentaries", but in practice there aren't too much difference between them (i.e. they made an effort to reduce things to 1 vol., just per testament or per bible.)
Would you consider regarding them as "Commentaries (One Volume)", or perhaps add a new "Commentaries (Two Volumes)"?
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Kolen Cheung said:
Also, it is quite common to have 2 volume commentaries, 1 for OT, 1 for NT.
Literally they aren't "One Volume Commentaries", but in practice there aren't too much difference between them (i.e. they made an effort to reduce things to 1 vol., just per testament or per bible.)
Would you consider regarding them as "Commentaries (One Volume)", or perhaps add a new "Commentaries (Two Volumes)"?
Sorry, I should have said it all in one go.
I looked at the rule to create "Commentaries (One Volume)", there's no extension that can make it include "One volume per testament kind of commentaries". Either it has to be manually added as a collection, or Logos/Faithlife add new metadata to it.
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This effort is outstanding!
Thank you. [*]
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Kolen Cheung said:
I looked at the rule to create "Commentaries (One Volume)", there's no extension that can make it include "One volume per testament kind of commentaries". Either it has to be manually added as a collection, or Logos/Faithlife add new metadata to it.
This gets close: type:bible-commentary AND {Series Any} AND (subject:”Bible.O.T.--Commentaries” OR subject:”Bible.N.T.--Commentaries”)
You can't cater exclusively for a series-pair, so you have to tag them to be excluded or included.
Dave
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Thanks! I created such with the name "Commentaries (Two Volumes)", for the lack of better name.Dave Hooton said:type:bible-commentary AND {Series Any} AND (subject:”Bible.O.T.--Commentaries” OR subject:”Bible.N.T.--Commentaries”)
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Kolen Cheung said:
I looked at the rule to create "Commentaries (One Volume)", there's no extension that can make it include "One volume per testament kind of commentaries". Either it has to be manually added as a collection, or Logos/Faithlife add new metadata to it.
It was always my intention to include two-volume commentaries in the one-volume collection. I've re-written the rule to do a better job of this. In my library, that's increased the number of resources included from 39 to 66.
I've also added A Messianic Commentary to the Expository collection.
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Mark Barnes, THANK YOU for this work that you do!
I updated from Commentaries:One Volume to Commentaries (One Volume) and also saw a dramatic increase in resources.
Can you clarify the difference between Commentaries:Expository and Commentaries (Expository)? I get the same resource count with either collection. Is the addition of A Messianic Commentary the only change?
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David Thomas said:
Can you clarify the difference between Commentaries:Expository and Commentaries (Expository)?
I don't have a collection called "Commentaries: Expository". I think the ones with colons are ones that abondservant created using my rules (with my permission), before we could easily share collections (i.e. prior to Logos 8). They won't have been updated for at least a year, I think.
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Mark Barnes said:
They won't have been updated for at least a year, I think.
Thank you. I just added all the collections with parenthesis and deleted my collections with a colon and the same name.
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Mark Barnes said:
I've re-written the rule to do a better job of this. In my library, that's increased the number of resources included from 39 to 66.
Did you push the update to the public already?
I didn't see that changed on my side. IIRC, it seems that if you publish it, you need to manually update it on the web, but on the receiver's side it is automatically being pushed. But https://wiki.logos.com/Documents_ didn't mention this rule. (Nor did the Logos Help manual, it seems.)
Do you have the IVPBBC? The rule suggested above (that I made as "Commentaries (Two Volumes)") has this included but not the "Commentaries (One Volume)".
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Kolen Cheung said:Mark Barnes said:
I've re-written the rule to do a better job of this. In my library, that's increased the number of resources included from 39 to 66.
Did you push the update to the public already?
Yes I did that yesterday. I don't subscribe to any other collections, so I'm not sure what is supposed to happen when I update a collection. You could go to https://documents.logos.com/ and choose "Resource Collections" from the dropdown menu and see if you can force an update that way.
Kolen Cheung said:Do you have the IVPBBC? The rule suggested above (that I made as "Commentaries (Two Volumes)") has this included but not the "Commentaries (One Volume)".
I include this in my background commentaries collection, rather than in my one-volume collection. Likewise for other specialist commentaries such as Commentary on the New Testament Use of the Old Testament.
You also mentioned earlier: The New International Greek Testament Commentary: Expanded Paraphrase of 2 Corinthians. This isn't a commentary. It's a paraphrase of the biblical text, so it's not included. The actual commentary, The New International Greek Testament Commentary: The Second Epistle to the Corinthians is included.
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I See. Thanks for your reply, and follow up on what I forgot already.
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Currently on 8.3 and still not seeing any but 2 of the commentary lists (one volume & expository). Still wondering if there is something I can do to 'purge' the deleted list. I'd really love to have this working again.
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danwdoo said:
Currently on 8.3 and still not seeing any but 2 of the commentary lists (one volume & expository). Still wondering if there is something I can do to 'purge' the deleted list. I'd really love to have this working again.
Are you referring to the bug that once deleted cannot add again? People said that one can go to deleted document to recover them.
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Ah! I see them there. That seems to solve it. Thanks!
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I've updated the collections to add:
- ESV Expository Commentary (Expository)
- International Exegetical Commentary on the Old Testament (Technical)
- Lexham Discourse Commentary (Special)
If you want the latest versions, you can manually update them using the syntax in the first post, or if you've previously downloaded them from https://documents.logos.com/ head back there to get the latest version.
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A huge "Thank you!" for this Mark!
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Thanks, Mark!
Is there a reason for including "The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges" in 'Intermediate' rather than 'Historical: 1750-1950'? According to the series PDP, the publication date range is from 1882-1922.
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I've made two changes to the collections:
- I've added over 200 hundred individual volumes to the shared collections, so the shared collections now include ALL the commentaries I'm aware of, not just those in a series. (These individual commentaries have been added to the Plus these resources section — they can't be added to the rules, as that would be too slow. If you've copied and pasted the rules, rather than adding the shared version to your documents, you won't benefit.)
- Expository Commentaries: 46 resources
- Intermediate Commentaries: 85 resources
- Technical Commentaries: 48 resources
- Historical Commentaries (Antiquity): 1 resource
- Historical Commentaries (Reformation): 1 resource
- Historical Commentaries (1750-1950): 20 resources
- One Volume Commentaries: 3 resources
- Special Commentaries: 34 resources
- I've moved The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges to Historical: 1750-1950.
I'm still not clear whether it's possible to update to the latest version from within Logos, or whether you need to head to https://documents.logos.com/. Perhaps someone could clarify that, and let us know the steps required.
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MJ. Smith said:Mark Barnes said:
I had already added:
- The People's Bible
Ah, you added a different series that's name starts with rather than is in its entirety. https://www.logos.com/product/9330/the-peoples-bible-complete-set is the set I was referring to.
The above collection is still not picked up.
I started with "type:"Bible commentary" and subtracted out all your collections which left me with 98 books unaccounted for. The series that seem to me ought to be caught as series are:
- Asia Bible Commentary Series
- An Exposition on Prayer in the Bible (James E. Rosscup)
- Life Lessons (Max Lucado)
- The People's Bible (see above)
- Septuagint Commentary Series
One-volume commentaries not picked up include:
- Dyer, Charles, Eugene Merrill, Charles R. Swindoll, and Roy B. Zuck. Nelson’s Old Testament Survey: Discover the Background, Theology and Meaning of Every Book in the Old Testament. Nashville, TN: Word, 2001.
- Bailey, Mark, Tom Constable, Charles R. Swindoll, and Roy B. Zuck. Nelson’s New Testament Survey: Discover the Background, Theology and Meaning of Every Book in the New Testament. Nashville: Word, 1999.
- Radmacher, Earl D., Ronald Barclay Allen, and H. Wayne House. Nelson’s New Illustrated Bible Commentary. Nashville: T. Nelson Publishers, 1999.
- Elwell, Walter A. Evangelical Commentary on the Bible. Vol. 3. Baker Reference Library. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1995.
The remaining 26 items require a bit more research on my part.
Thanks for your work on this.
Just an FYI for those using your collections, I find it useful to have a Jewish commentary collection and a Lectionary-based commentary collection ... I'm sure the latter is no surprise.
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Mark, by all the comments that have been made this must be something that is really helpful. I have limited knowledge to all the finer point of Logos 8 and am not really sure how this will help organize my Library. or what advantage it would be to me to integrate this into my program. Please give me some insight. Thanks for all the work you did.
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Oh, I see where that improvement comes from. Thanks!
I think as long as you update your collection, then in the web update it by clicking the link symbol, then the one who added your resource should automatically see the change.
i think having a testing account is also useful especially the web app can already does a lot of thing so there’s not much overhead to setting one up.
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