Logos Mobile Education diploma & certificates

Would be extremely interested, and it would insure I would buy every course available.

Super.Tramp said:

I would definitely go for it if we could get academic pricing for 6 months or so.

Haha, very cheeky. [;)]..... I'm sure others would buy in if that's the case.

Super.Tramp said:

I am a little surprised there are not more people with something to say in this regard. Is there a lack of interest in Logos Mobile Education?

I have got to make up my mind by Tuesday when it ships.

i love the m.Ed concept. It's perfect for my needs.  Personally i see no value in a "Diploma" offered by Logos.  Since it would not be accredited it wouldn't be a diploma at all.  If anything it would devalue what Logos is offering through the m.Ed. concept - it would become like the old saying, "oh you must of got your license from a corn flakes packet"

To me m.Ed is about helping me to become a better reader of the scriptures and hence increase my understanding and application of the scriptures. Secondarily it enables me to better read, understand and evaluate the wide scope of resources I have in my Logos library as I gain deeper insight into what it is I believe about God and why I believe it.  This has flow on benefits to how I serve in my local church as a children's ministry leader, how I build up those in the bible study group I attend weekly and how I encourage those I speak with at church.  And it enables me to be ready to defend the truth in which I believe those whom I come in contact and ask me about my faith. 

I am not seeing m.Ed as simply something to complete so I can get a certificate, and I don't need a certificate to achieve or do what I outlined above - I simply need to live out may faith.  I saved off the certificates from the AM Moody Course - I completed them all - as PDF files, and haven't looked at them since and most likely never will.  In reality they have no value in that they are not accredited. But what I appreciate is I still have all the notes in Logos to refer to in the future and can still do the quizzes if choose - the only thing I can't do is submit my results to Moody. 

The m.Ed courses I have, I know have them for "life" and go back to them to refresh my understanding on a topic whenever I want.  The real value of m.Ed. Is in how it enables you to grow and that has nothing to do with getting a certificate or diploma IMHO. If being able to print such is a deciding factor is purchasing these courses I hope you haven't missed the real value of these courses.  

No, it would make no difference to me if a certificate for course completion or a diploma was offered. The only reason I bought this product was for my own edification. I have already taken almost every course in a formal academic setting. Logos MobileEd are courses I own that I can consult any time I want. Many of the courses are refreshers and many of them give me a different spin than what I had in Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. I look at these courses as just another resource in my extensive personal assistant's brain.

To clarify my position: I am very much in favor of certification. I'm just throwing thoughts out there to fill out the conversation.

Certification could be a powerful draw to get people using Logos as long as that certification has meaning and value. I.E. if certification could be traded in for credits or if denominational organizations used it as a (super-) qualification for electing assistant pastors, Sunday school teachers, worship leaders, or positions at whatever level is appropriate to each, understanding that seminary or other formal training may be a requirement for higher positions. If a number of denominational organizations were enlisted who said here are the qualifications we'd like to see met for certification and if someone is certified as having met those qualification then we will fully endorse Logos certification and will consider anyone certified as fully qualified for x position.

But would the investment required be too much? If Jack doesn't have Logos and wants to get certification, how much must he invest to get certified in Logos vs school. Base Package + n courses + Certification Fee. Could it be made available also as a DVD with workbooks to those on a budget? With strong incentives to upgrade to the full Logos package? Would that help or hurt Logos? I'm making a bit of an assumption here that the typical Logos user would benefit less from certification (as they are likely using Logos because they are already in some form of ministry), that it is those without Logos that stand to benefit most from formalized certification, mostly.

How is certification accomplished? Does Logos have to develop a "live" testing apparatus? What is Logos costs? Is it passed on in the price of the courses or is certification an option with an additional fee?

I really don't know if I'm being helpful or not. Just thinking out loud.

Randy W. Sims said:

To clarify my position: I am very much in favor of certification. I'm just throwing thoughts out there to fill out the conversation.

Certification could be a powerful draw to get people using Logos as long as that certification has meaning and value. I.E. if certification could be traded in for credits or if denominational organizations used it as a (super-) qualification for electing assistant pastors, Sunday school teachers, worship leaders, or positions at whatever level is appropriate to each, understanding that seminary or other formal training may be a requirement for higher positions. If a number of denominational organizations were enlisted who said here are the qualifications we'd like to see met for certification and if someone is certified as having met those qualification then we will fully endorse Logos certification and will consider anyone certified as fully qualified for x position.

But would the investment required be too much? If Jack doesn't have Logos and wants to get certification, how much must he invest to get certified in Logos vs school. Base Package + n courses + Certification Fee. Could it be made available also as a DVD with workbooks to those on a budget? With strong incentives to upgrade to the full Logos package? Would that help or hurt Logos? I'm making a bit of an assumption here that the typical Logos user would benefit less from certification (as they are likely using Logos because they are already in some form of ministry), that it is those without Logos that stand to benefit most from formalized certification, mostly.

How is certification accomplished? Does Logos have to develop a "live" testing apparatus? What is Logos costs? Is it passed on in the price of the courses or is certification an option with an additional fee?

I really don't know if I'm being helpful or not. Just thinking out loud.

A lot of depth in these courses is found in the readings from Logos resources - not to take away from the video portions though of the speakers, but is someone were to watch just the video portions on a DVD I'm not sure if that alone without the readings would be enough content for certification.  Currently there is no workbook with the courses - just transcripts of the videos so I am not sure if you are just expecting that, or something more In a workbook. 

I'm not against certification if it is done right, but simply printing out a certificate after completeing a multiple-choice exam, or printing out a 'Diploma' after completing a number of required exams just doesn't seem that important to me.  I bought these courses knowing Logos said certification wasn't something they were looking at doing and am very happy with what I have bought.

On these grounds I don't understand why people who bought AM Moody feel it is $800 wasted - you still have access to all the material and self evaluate your understanding with the quizzes.  You just can't access a web service that let's you submit the fact you passed the multiple-choice quiz and have it generate for you a 'certificate' with your name inserted.  There are many Pastors in the world who have access to much less level of resources than you do in this package. Appreciate the blessing you have in owning what you do in your Logos library. Whether or not you can print a certificate that says "John" has completed this course and that certificate has no accreditation value - like the AM Moody course is a first world problem I am sure many in the third world would love to have.  

Super.Tramp said:

I have taken this opportunity  to champion the idea of academic pricing on Logos resource purchases for enrollees in mEd. It would be an in-house decision that would not involve extra work. Critics would have no basis to object and many more people would enrol. 

[Y]  Yes, I e-mailed my sales rep and mentioned this few times in the past.  I hope if more people e-mail their sales rep and request this, Logos would listen.  I hope Logos keeps the price of the courses down after the pre-pub release, so more people have an opportunity to learn from these great resources. It is a great way to learn for lay leaders who could not attend bible college. 

I went through the course materials and they are so far very similar to the courses I took for credits in the past, except there are no research papers, essays, and in front of class presentations.  There are good research skills taught in the mEd. courses which is great.  This beats the old days when I had to go to the library, searched the computer database for books, then went through indexes, and hand copied passages for references for assignments.