Logos 9 Wishlist

what should we do to win the next generation of new users?

The younger purchasers have never been restricted to paper resources. They expect things to be available to them online in a complete, speedy, and intuitive manner. They have little patience for bugs and incomplete features. Make sure every feature is a complete, tidy, polished product.

What are the most important things we should solve for Logos 9?

Links are a random sample going back at least 5 years of nagging and not all topics have had a search on the forums for a link ... maybe tomorrow.

Make it easier to add data types/milestones so that Creeds, church documents, standard references always get data types so that Logos supports the referencing used in our resources. https://community.logos.com/forums/t/186910.aspx
Resolve the issues in commentaries caused by using the same milestones for the bible translation and the commentary https://community.logos.com/forums/t/186271.aspx
Make it very easy to change translations in a popup so that when a resource references a specific translation we can see that translation. https://community.logos.com/forums/t/120765.aspx
Make it possible to view commentaries such as the AYB or Hermenia with translations, notes, commentary portions side by side SUGGESTION: The view of Bible Commentaries that would really enhance my experience
Make more library traits visible and available for collections [request] Bradley: Please expose the 'traits' column in collections
Add pseudepigrapha support to Factbook
Complete a number of features that feel unfinished

Additional entries in Bible People Visual Timeline - add Elijah, Ruth, Joseph and commit to adding two or three a year
Continue to add to the Narrative Character Maps
Add interactives for parables, promises, questions ... so we can see the full picture not just individual instances i.e. understand what we are looking at Interactive Tool for the Parables of the Bible
Finish the documentation especially for Biblical Person, Place, Thing, Event ... Biblical Event Navigator DOCUMENTATION MISSING BUG: Biblical Event Navigator BUG: Missing documentation: Bible Outline Browser dataset BUG? Missing documentation: Parallel Gospel Reader . . .
Fix the morphology charts so they actually work Bug:אֱלוֹהַּ and Morphology chart
Add the n-tuple function to the concordance so that it actually provides new data SUGGESTION: Finish the Concordance tool
Make clippings carry a complete citation Clippings and Footnotes
Finish backlog of sermon tagging KYLE: New (to me) resource not tagged for sermons?
Finish backlog of pericope tagging RESOLVED BUG: Deferred data updates ; consider adding pericopes as defined in commentaries; consider a new feature of pericopes in lectionaries
Add more resources to outline feature - concentrating on commentaries with detailed outlines; make it possible for the individual to add items as they can with sermon labels Add Evangelical Commentary on the Bible to the Bible Outline Browser
Improve performance of drop down pick lists A plea for speeding up the "select resource" drop down in search FRUSTRATED with Logos wasting my computer cycles
Add the features that limit the usefulness of the Workflows - especially make them handle more than a single passage Sermon Workflow with multiple scriptural references Workflow Editor Improvements
Add Saints support for Anglicans and Lutherans
Add Protestant lectionary-based sermon support by a guide section linked to The Text This Week SUGGESTION: Logos 7 The Text This Week
Add the Narrative Lectionary and the Season of Creation (Mainstream Protestant) Narrative Lectionary Season of Creation lectionary
Build a sermon starter guide and modify the sermon editor to support the 80% of Christians who use a lectionary Suggestion: Homily Helpers Guide
Make a noticeable dent in the Factbook duplicates
Make noticeable progress on Timeline links
Resolve issues arising from different levels of granularity on older and newer Church Father's works
Add table capability to Notes - even if only copy & paste as in the old Notes Clippings and Footnotes
Update the Canon comparison to include all the canons in recent publications
Build additional resources of the Guide to his Life and Writings type and commit to a couple a year
Allow prioritization by collection e.g. prioritize a particular translation for all resources tagged with a particular value
Provide Canvas source documents for items FL generated on Canvas - serve as examples to those trying to become familiar with Canvas
Continue work on Faithlife Assistant - which at the moment is a good idea stalled in the unfinished dump
A simple way to report errors from anywhere rather than multiple places to look (help, documentation, wiki, forum) with no assurance FL is still looking there.
Convert highly used shared resources into official resources - the online DSS file Dead Sea Scrolls Internet Links Index, the Bible studies files Index of Bible Studies, the commentary classifications Collection rules for sorting commentaries (updated for Logos 8 Base Packages). . .
Make case frames available by verb
Continue on search templates until there is at least as much capability as in the old catalogue style templates
Add Talmudic rabbis to Factbook and tag the Talmuds by rabbi Logos reliance on a deprecated product - Freebase
Add alternative Biblical names for Bible People giving the Greek (Vulgate) names and the Messianic Jewish names
Clearly identify in the library resources that are single in print but split by language or resource type in Logos. Allow an option to collapse to a single resource instance in library & collection views.
Allow the user to define a collection to be used as the default "All resources" (For years mine was titled "Basic Logos/Verbum Library") to keep a manageable working library without having to hide the more exotic resources.
Expand the flash card function to allow creating decks for the definitions necessary to understand each of the FL datasets - sets must be sharable (or provided by FL) Flash cards for books
Fix Prayer List - most notably so that entering an answer does not mark the prayer done ... my theology allows partial and step-wise answers.How do you use prayer lists?
Add additional volumes to the Sacred Art series - especially icons and non-European art
Be able to use a Passage List as the condition for a highlight SUGGESTIONS for Passage List/Visual Filters ... requested before, still waiting
Be able to auto-build a milestone search from the context menu as well as the current datatype search BUG we've been trying to get acknowledged since Sept 1
Add prebuilt catechism reading plans and confession of faith with commentaries reading plans
Finish the maps and add the resource Zev Vilany: The Sacred Land (3 volumes) i.e. 1. Legends of Jerusalem 2. Legends of Judea and Samaria 3. Legends of Galilee, Jordon and Sinai Note this is the geographic equivalent to Legends of the Jews and is an essential background reference.
Add Help cards to Verbum
Identify the LST as Protestant or update it significantly
Make morphological search documents shareable
Split the Passage Analysis tool into multiple parts to make it easier to find the tools included in it
Add the generation of a syntax tree diagram from the standard brackets notation to the Sentence diagrammer
Add highlight/filter functions to footnotes

Add a Church Father's interactive ... at a minimum all the Fathers in Migne, birth/location, death /location, titles, works ...

Add a structures and forms dataset - parallels, chiasms, steps .... proclamation stories ... Visual Filters showing Literary Structure & Forms ???

Add a Creeds and Confessions of Faith index dataset using the standard articles of the Nicene Creed as the starting point for organization. Catechisms might be tied in as a separate dimension. Note these documents should all be datatyped so I've come the full circle.

Create an ongoing process for users, especially professors, to submit tables appropriate for interactive datasets, documents, and workflow as potential additions to the "official" Logos

In short, I want a package that feels finished for nearly all its functions - I don't like being reminded that I'm limited by decisions made in the DOS days, or that a cool idea was tried without serious thought as to how it is to be used, or that turned out to be a bigger project than expected so it sort of got dropped. With the exception of the LST, the most valuable recent additions to Logos have been in indexing and selection for guide sections. Make sure those always work at an optimum level.

For new features to highlight as "Logos 9's crown jewel":

add a section to the Passage Guide that gathers the questions from the Bible Study (Sunday School style) resources available in Logos AND add a Bible Lesson option into an enhanced Sermon tool.Logos Lesson Builder under Windows 8 64-bit https://community.logos.com/forums/t/95316.aspx
add support to the Liturgy of the Hours - Lutheran, Anglican, Orthodox, Catholic, Mennonite are the ones that come to my mind immediately

One way to make sure Logos feels complete:

Go through Tate, W. Randolph. Handbook for Biblical Interpretation: An Essential Guide to Methods, Terms, and Concepts. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2012. to identify the major types of Bible Criticism
For each of them, walk through the step required to apply that interpretative lens in Logos noting setup required by user (tagging, collections, labels ...)
Note steps that put you at a procedural dead end when you ought to be able to click to see additional information or navigate to a reasonable next step.
Put together a proposal of the modifications necessary to make applying the lens possible - and those necessary to make it work well.
Group similar lens (types of Bible criticism) together and work to make Logos helpful for all approaches. My personal urgent need is reception history.

P.S. Uservoice has not reflected my priorities since the ability to redistribute votes was loss and I was told to take it up with UserVoice.

David Mitchell

Will it work on my windows 8.1 system?

Veli Voipio

Probably for general interest:

1. Better prioritization (user friendly GUI, resource type specific, etc., probably others have many more implementation ideas)

2. Folders for the shortcuts in the top bar

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These are mostly mine, or for a small special user base

1. User specific fonts. For example for the Latin interlinear, I would like to have a clearly different font for the Latin text line.

2. Hebrew audio (for the beginning, only a small part of the OT is needed)

Hans van den Herik

In Notes

Headings in notes. Indispensable for long notes.
Notes sometimes become inconsistent when inserting of changing text in Mac OS Catalina.
Ability to change fonts easily: Changing Hebrew/Greek/English keyboards as in Search.
Merge clippings and notes.

Sermon editor

Make sermon editor or notes more robust for writing academic papers. Ability to link to resources

Make it easier to perform complex searches through a semi-graphical interface which insert AND, OR, BETWEEN, parenthesis etc.

See this thread: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/186839.aspx

If you can’t pull this off, then any other request is pointless! It only means you’ll end up doing whatever you want anyway and you’re just asking this to “make believe” users they’re being taken into consideration when they’re really not.

Also add ability to put pictures in users notes.

Improve graphics. It’s been years EVERYBODY has been asking for this.

Improve drawing functionality.

And that’s it!

Thanks for the thread! At least one thing is within the realm of possibilities — L9 coming soon in the future.

DAL

Rosie Perera

My #1 (and only) priority is: Make it faster for users with enormous libraries (20,000+ resources; I have 25,474 unhidden ones) and lots of collections (I have 221). Everywhere that being such a power library owner slows down the product needs to be sped up or I cannot use the product. It is such a painful experience for me these days that I'm simply not using it much anymore, even though I continue to buy books in the hope that maybe someday it will become usable again. I even tried buying a new ultra fast computer, and it was still unusable. (See here.) I deleted most of my Visual Filters, since someone told me that might be what's slowing things down. No appreciable improvement.

Some of those areas that are painfully slow are:

populating dropdowns that have lists of collections, such as the Search In dropdown in a Search tab
switching focus back to Logos after being in another Windows app for a while
opening Logos when a Search tab or Guide was open in the last workspace you shut down with (which makes that Search or Guide start to run again, which is uninterruptible; it should not run again unless the user specifically requests it to run again)
updating Library Catalog whenever you edit tags

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Context menu:

Move a labels into the info panel (and improve that).

If this is done, then the building of the search for the label has to also move - the ability to get a pre-built search argument for the label is critical.

Make it faster for users with enormous libraries (20,000+ resources; I have 25,474 unhidden ones) and lots of collections (I have 221). Everywhere that being such a power library owner slows down the product needs to be sped up or I cannot use the product.

I second everything Rosie said.

Mark Barnes

What does your ideal Logos 9 upgrade look like? What would make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for you?

I appreciate that to sell upgrades to Logos 9 you need something new, but I don't think that's what Logos needs right now.

My focus would be on consolidating datasets and tools and improving existing features. Currently, there are so many diverse datasets it's hard to keep on top of them all, and most users don't benefit from them. There are also too many different ways to access the data: factbook, guides and workflows.

I'd favour an approach for beginning users where that would guide them through the process of choosing the right tool, something like this:

What do you want to study today? (you'd enter the topic, lemma, person, thing, event, etc.)
Do you want all the information at once or a step-by-step study? (guide/factbook or workflow)
Is this for a devotional study / essay / sermon?
How much time do you have?

Logos would then switch to the right workflow/guide and tailor the output accordingly (removing or minimising certain sections depending on the depth of study and time available).

I'd also like to see significant upgrades to the Workflow tool, which is brilliant already but could be so much better. Reuben is the cheerleader for Workflows, and I'm with him 100%. Being able to specify collections for the Commentary section is one very easy win that would make a big difference.

Kevin A

Leader-->Follower Link Sets please!. Will stop Bible jumping around when using arrow keys to switch between commentaries.

Reuben Helmuth

I appreciate that to sell upgrades to Logos 9 you need something new, but I don't think that's what Logos needs right now.

Agreed!

John Connell

How about a Format Painter for Notes?

Liam Maguire

There is no denying that L8 was a HUGE step up from L7 so L9 has some big boots to fill. I also recognise that you need something new to sell L9 on, but on the way please don't overlook the following.

First, I agree with everyone who has mentioned so far:

Faster Logos! Faster start-up, faster search, faster visual filters, faster concordance build time!
Easier search syntax and/or GUI search builder.
Consolidate, update, improve datasets and documentation
Better note support, Cf. Evernote web.
Better note support. The new notes system is a great improvement there is still a way to go (tables, headings, images, markdown syntax support, etc.)

In addition, I would like to see the following things added to the list:

Visual filter support on mobile and web
Full Latin support for Bible word study guide.
Latin Bible Sense support
Morphology Chart updates on click/hover when in a linked set (same as Lexicons do)
Latin support for Morphology charts

Where do I sign up to beta test? [:P]

Rick

What bugs should we fix?

All of them.

I can not understand why Faithlife doesn't put a higher priority on fixing bugs. If an "update" breaks something, it should be fixed ASAP. For an example of a feature that was broken sometime during an update, see: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/177426.aspx Here we are almost a year later and it is still broken. Why?

I truly can't understand why it is ok to ignore functions that don't work correctly and then wonder if they should be fixed.

John Duffy

I'd favour an approach for beginning users where that would guide them through the process of choosing the right tool, something like this:

What do you want to study today? (you'd enter the topic, lemma, person, thing, event, etc.)
Do you want all the information at once or a step-by-step study? (guide/factbook or workflow)
Is this for a devotional study / essay / sermon?
How much time do you have?

Logos would then switch to the right workflow/guide and tailor the output accordingly (removing or minimising certain sections depending on the depth of study and time available).

Also, I agree with Mark on the need to help beginners come to terms with Logos. With so many features, the beginner struggles in making significant progress unless much time is invested climbing the steep learning curve. For power users, the interface is great. And help for beginners to become power users is really welcome.

Yet, for some basic users who don't in the slightest aspire to ever being power users, the feature-filled interface is simply a stumbling block. I know some people who have given up using Logos because it is simply far too complex for them. Many people just can't cope with that level of complexity in 'any' software. They opt for free Bible software alternatives, not because they are better in terms of the features that they offer, but because they feel more able to simply use them without being overwhelmed (in that sense they are better for some users). And they lose out on access to the many resources that Logos has available, which their free software doesn't.

Logos has two great advantages, one being amazing functionality for Bible study, the other being a great library of resources. The interface is great for Bible study, but that same interface is a hindrance for those who simply want to read (or view) resources without mastering the complex software.

Can I suggest that Logos 9 add a feature that other software products have, by providing different interfaces for different users. For example, other software products have Basic vs Expert (Express vs Advanced, or Reader vs Study) interfaces. That would allow some users to feel comfortable and competent using Logos with a basic interface having a very limited set of features, rather than them feeling overwhelmed and giving up. (There might even be an argument for an intermediate interface too). Recent improvements have made the complex interface somewhat easier to use, but it is still not simple enough for many people I would suggest.

Imagine if Logos were as easy to use to just read theology resources as Kindle is for general books...

1. A background process which would download and index new resources we purchase while Logos is not open. It would also be very helpful if it could handle Preparing library/Updating library catalog before Logos is launched, so we don't have to wait as long for housekeeping tasks to finish.

2. Improve the Notes UI, especially in my preferred 3-column view where controls get truncated, and the formatting ribbon wraps to four rows. (Even when the note is expanded to fill the whole panel, the ribbon still wraps to two rows.)

3. Add missing functionality to the Courses tool which has been on the list of things to do for several years. One example is user-created courses. Another is how the courses tool was possibly intended to be a replacement for reading lists and (customizing) reading plans.

4. Make it easier for a non-power user like me to remember which of the many tools and features might be helpful in learning more about a topic, such as Kabbalah. Some users might start off with the Factbook, while others might search their library for resources about the topic, or post on the forums asking for book recommendations. I tend to pop out of Logos to search the store, but there's probably a way to do that in-app. I often forget that someone might have created a reading list. It would be nice if there was a guide which could do this... wait... is there a topic guide? Why, yes there is! But the Kabbalah topic seems to be lacking. It gives me 3 dictionary links, and a Factbook link. Most of the sections have no results. The Bookstore section shows 8 books, but none of them are specifically about Kabbalah. (I get very different results when searching the store directly for that term.) There's no section for Reading lists, so I've got to open that tool, but a Kabbalah list doesn't exist yet. I've never created a reading list. That link brings me out of Logos to the wiki, where I see I have to learn some markup. I go back to reading a Kabbalah book (on Kindle because it's not available yet in Logos).

I'm still at a loss as to where topical content like that should go, especially since we don't have a roadmap of planned features or improvements. A user-created course? A reading list?

5. FL had posted about adding Theology/Denomination tagging to library resources (so users wouldn't have to wait for helpful third-party collections to be updated). Can this be done for Logos 9?

6. Please provide a Hebrew audio bible. It's frustrating that the NT has Greek audio, yet the OT is still lacking Hebrew audio.

7. Dark mode, please. It's gotten lots of user-suggested support, and we still get posts requesting it. It would really help with eye strain not to have to read such a bright screen in the evening or early morning.

8. Carta. It's frustrating that it's available in two other bible study apps, but not in Logos. I would love to have access to the wealth of information that is in their resources, all within Logos.

Phil Quigley

One thing that I think would be good is the ability to make a visual filter off a syntatical search. For example: I'm learning Hebrew and a common construction is the Cognate Infinitive Absolute. I can easily make a syntax search to find those results, but it would be nice to be able to make that a Visual filter so I can see those results when reading an English translation. Also, it would be beneficial to be able to see visual filters on the mobile app.

Andrew Biddinger

1. Android Text to Speech (Mobile). Discussion | Voice

I find it very helpful to be able to listen to a book while visually reading it. It is crucial for accessibility. And from what I know of my generation, they love to listen to books.

2. Improve Notes Panel Search (Desktop)
a. Search actual book highlight quotes

b. Search query can filter/suggestion/select Notebooks (that way you don't need the notebooks search)

3. Headings in Notes (Like in Sermon Docs)

4. More Notes Improvements

a. Easy Notebook Creation (Example)

b. Filter Notes By Labels

c. Right Click (Open New Tab, Open Expanded, Copy, Paste, Duplicate, Delete)

d. Check boxes in Notes (https://community.logos.com/forums/t/178862.aspx)

5. Reference Scanner Export (Discussion)

Thomas Pape

Translation tool that I can read books in logos in other languages - and translate directly, similar to how some programs can do in the browser

Bruce Dunning

What are the most important things we should solve for Logos 9?

Make it easier to do complex searching
Make it faster
Make it simpler

What new books should we include?

Carta! Carta! Carta! Please make an effort to come to an agreement with Carta so that we can benefit from their amazing maps!

Make it faster for users with enormous libraries (20,000+ resources; I have 25,474 unhidden ones) and lots of collections (I have 221). Everywhere that being such a power library owner slows down the product needs to be sped up or I cannot use the product.

I second everything Rosie said.

Yes! Yes! Yes!

I could say so much more but I'm trying to keep it simple just as I think Logos 9 should do.

John Kight

Here's my top 3 for Logos 9 (Desktop):

Speed Improvements - Logos needs to be much faster, especially on machines that are somewhat dated when it comes to specs. Other Bible Software companies have this figured out really well and it seems to work in their favor. At the end of the day, when it comes to L9, I would rather invest $3000 into my Logos library and not a new machine. If things stay as they are, then I'm likely going to need a new machine by the time L9 is scheduled to release.

Better Original Language Tools - Logos has made huge strides forward and bridged the gap between itself and other Bible Software companies in the last two releases. But, I think there needs to be a more focused a effort on making Logos a scholarly tool, especially when it comes to working with the original languages. I would like to see more MSS image integration, tools for Textual Criticism (maybe a TC guide), etc. This goes for Greek, Hebrew/Aramaic, and other early translation languages.

Easier Library Interaction/Discovery - With a Library of nearly 20,000 resources, it can get a bit overwhelming trying to find the right resource(s) for the job. I think L8 made massive leaps forward. But, I still struggle trying to sort through so many resources. Searching and using guides is helpful because I've tried to tag my resources as I've added them to my library. But, it's still a mess and I feel like I'm not getting the best use of my money most of the time.

I'll admit here that #1 and #2 have caused me serious consideration to leave the Logos ecosystem and invest in another. I havent made that commitment yet. But, I'm not interested in having to buy a new computer every other Logos release to keep up with its hardware demands.

I'll add more to the thread as I think of them.

-John

MWW

My Suggestions - thanks for asking! (8 was a great improvement over 7 and I look forward to even greater improvements in 9).

Notes Tool UI improvement

Better formatting options.
Simplify UI

See MS OneNote below as an example.
Unite Sermon Tool, Canvas, Clipping Tool, Notes & Highlights into 1 interface.
Make Canvas easier to use and perhaps give it a live interface in Proclaim for teaching.

Clipping Tool should copy bibliographic information to Word and other text tools.

Speed - faster is always better

Populating dropdown lists.
Faster startup times.

More robust keyboard shortcuts

Everything that can be done with a mouse should have a shortcut key.
Library is a good example the cmd L (mac) or ctrl L opens window or another instance of library.
I would suggest the same for Default Bible, Notes tool and new note, Layouts, Factbook, Bible Word study, Copy current verse and/or current selection, etc.

Visual Filter

For Bibles make the Visual Filter button have an on/off function like Multiple Resources and Interlinear buttons.

Donnie Hale

A couple of related things that immediately come to mind are:

Overhaul sentence diagramming
BibleArc-like features for phrasing - it should be as easy and responsive as BibleArc is

Thanks,

Donnie

DMB

What are the most important things we should solve for Logos 9?

Make it easier to do complex searching

Make it faster

Make it simpler

What new books should we include?

Carta! Carta! Carta! Please make an effort to come to an agreement with Carta so that we can benefit from their amazing maps!

Make it faster for users with enormous libraries (20,000+ resources; I have 25,474 unhidden ones) and lots of collections (I have 221). Everywhere that being such a power library owner slows down the product needs to be sped up or I cannot use the product.

I second everything Rosie said.

Yes, yes, yes.

I could say so much more but I'm trying to keep it simple just as I think Logos 9 should do.

Three more yes's: yes, yes, yes.

I'm still on El Seven. I really don't need more software 'stuff' (but don't begrudge those who do). But I doubt L9 will do anything with search, after a decade now. Or speed, other than minor this and that. Or simpler. You still can't recommend it for 'normal' Christians.

I know, Bruce .... I'm supposed to be hopeful! But 10 years?

Roger G Black

1. Make it simpler. One should not have to have a degree in computers or some type of certificate degree and attend or watch countless Morris or Mark videos or attend courses to operate the software of Logos 8 or 9.

2. Make it faster. I agree with previous statements that one should not have to spend thousands to buy the newest, fastest computer equipment to get decent operation of Logos every few years. The program shouldn't take so long to do searches or bog down because of having several windows open. The software simply needs to be redone to operate....

3. Make it capable of being running totally in offline mode, without the need of being connected to the internet what so ever. After all, when one buys a book and puts it in their library they own the book and have it at their disposal 100% of the time. Logos has gotten away from that. The only time I or anyone should have to connect to the internet is for program updates and purchase downloads. Not everyone has internet 100% of the time. Other software programs are not internet dependant and Logos (Faithlife) has forgotten that.

4. Make it cheaper, not everyone is a millionaire. Too often electronic books are cheaper elsewhere and in other programs. Yes, I know about the linking bit etc. But when I see the same books offered in other software programs for 1/3 or 1/2 the price of Logos ones or sometimes in Kindle for much cheaper it makes me wonder and ponder.... Why is it so expensive in Logos? Simply put... MAKE IT CHEAPER!!

BlueBird

Lee

I appreciate that to sell upgrades to Logos 9 you need something new, but I don't think that's what Logos needs right now.

Agreed!

Thirded. The quality of original language data should be scrupulously error-free and easily searchable, the datasets and research rabbit trails that branch out from that should be rigorously documented. Over the years, this point has been made several times already.

Charlene

Better maps!!!! I have been asking for this for YEARS!

And also add Carta resources!

Barnabas

Release an external software which will tag and add all of the necessary embedding into PBB. Even if it's imperfect, it's still reduces the huge amount of work necessary. Let us use PBB in mobile. What might make it irresistible is for smaller price for feature sets, or itemization of feature sets allowing us to buy something we need specifically. Emphasis on the latter, because I imagine feature development is not cheap.

Myke Harbuck

What are the most important things we should solve for Logos 9?

Make it easier to do complex searching

YES. I'd like to see a search wizard, where we can build searches based on all the available searching/data set options.

What new books should we include?

Carta! Carta! Carta! Please make an effort to come to an agreement with Carta so that we can benefit from their amazing maps!

I really don't get why Carta isn't already in Logos. Adding this as new package for L9 would be a major milestone for Faithlife.

Barnabas

4. Make it cheaper, not everyone is a millionaire. Too often electronic books are cheaper elsewhere and in other programs. Yes, I know about the linking bit etc. But when I see the same books offered in other software programs for 1/3 or 1/2 the price of Logos ones or sometimes in Kindle for much cheaper it makes me wonder and ponder.... Why is it so expensive in Logos? Simply put... MAKE IT CHEAPER!!

BlueBird

Emphasis on the expense. It's really a very, very hard to pass the barrier. It's extremely important despite the difficulty in doing so. Perhaps you could reward Publishers who are willing to play ball. If some publishers want to make sure others will not accept lower royalties, would you guys simply adopt a policy which says that you will not listen to attempts to limit Publisher competition? Also, what about customizable base packages?

Jack Hairston

Top priority: Fix missing caret when editing Notes on secondary monitor.

Finish adding the keyboard shortcuts for editing that were lost in L7 ==> L8:

Ctrl+L Align Left
Ctrl+E Center
Ctrl+R Align Right
Ctrl+J Justified

David Thomas

What are the most important things we should solve for Logos 9?

1. Touch/Pen interface - https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-8/suggestions/619605-focus-on-tablet-and-touchscreen-features

2. Disappearing cursor on 2nd monitor - since this bug only appeared in the last update, I assume this will be fixed LONG BEFORE L9 comes out. - https://community.logos.com/forums/t/186319.aspx

What general themes or areas should we focus on?

Polishing the features and functions available in Logos/Verbum 8.

What bugs should we fix?

To ballpark it, half of the milestone references/parallel resource stuff in the Early Church Fathers references don't work properly. The leading offer is the Schaff collection.

What new data sets should we build?

Not quite data sets per se, but please build proper milestones/data types for the following:

Acta Apostolicae Sedis. See https://community.logos.com/forums/t/185328.aspx
All of the official documents of the Catholic Church that you sell that currently lack them. Cf. https://community.logos.com/forums/t/186910.aspx
Migne (PL & PG)

An in-house tool that allows for the easier creation and maintenance of data types would probably be a very good idea.

I'm also certain that some members of the Verbum-focused forum community (including me) would be happy to help with milestone tagging for documents of the Catholic Magisterium if that were to be helpful from FL's perspective in terms of getting that tagging done.

In general, I hope that Logos/Verbum 9 will be more polished in all respects than 8. I think that the best thing FL can do is to improve existing functionality, which means building out existing features, fixing bugs in existing features, fixing milestone issues in existing resources, and making the software faster in any and all possible aspects. I don't need my future Verbum 9 installation to be bigger... just better.

Bill Cook

Desktop-

1. Speed - I bought a new machine ( fast processor, SSD Drive, loads of RAM) specifically to run Logos faster. It made little discernible difference. Even if I have no resources opening, it still takes 25 seconds or more to even get a screen. I have other behemoths - like the Adobe products to open very fast. I have never understood how the videos on the Logos website are lickety-split fast... Anyway, it is always my number one...

2. indexing - so SLOW... and it eats up the system forever....

3. Notes - well, I was one that beat the drum to get it. But, it is so complicated now, I am lost in its enormity and complexity.

4. Sermon Editor - not very Mobile friendly... really not friendly at all... I seldom use it without giving up.

5. I like Canvas. I think it could be better.

Matt Hamrick

What are the most important things we should solve for Logos 9?

What general themes or areas should we focus on?

What bugs should we fix?

What improvements should we make to existing features?

What new features should we add?

What new data sets should we build?

What new books should we include?

Please specify desktop, mobile, and/or web, where appropriate.

What does your ideal Logos 9 upgrade look like? What would make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for you?

If different, what should we do to win the next generation of new users?

Please include links to forum threads, User Voice requests, etc. where applicable.

We've reviewed the User Voice feedback for desktop, mobile, and books, but I want to make sure that the priorities there are reflective of the current priorities of our forum community.

Thanks for taking the time to share your feedback!

First I use the desktop almost all the time. I have checked out the web app and pleased with it, but don't use it because I use the desktop. The only thing I use the Mobile app for is simply to read a book when I am out. No in-depth study happens on Mobile, only the desktop.

For Logos 8 you came up with the Theology guide and have been working to make it better since. For Logos 9 you should try to figure out church history and there's 2000 years to tap into. Every time you ask my number one complaint is speed. I have learned to expect Logos Bible software to be slow. There was a great improvement with Logos 8, but it's still a very slow program compared to other programs on my system. There were a lot of resources added to Faithlife since Logos 8 launched. Some of those resources would entice people to upgrade to Logos 9. I have been pleased with Logos 8 Ultimate and most likely will acquire the Logos 9 Ultimate, but my library is getting bigger and soon I will stop building it and only need the new features. Logos 9 already is irresistible to me, but Logos 10 probably not.

Benny

Focus on touchscreen features

Christopher Bucklin

Thanks for asking!

The following is for desktop:

1. Better reading experience. This program is all about reading, so I think there should be more to customize the reading experience. For example, I want to be able to set a font for a specific resource, having different resources use different fonts. I also want to be able to set a custom background for resources - more than just the standard colors. I want to be able to set an image for the background. I'd use images of different kinds of paper. Think about it: Hebrew and Greek resources displayed on old parchment. Bibles and such displayed on photographs of old textured papers. That's one of the things I miss about print books - how each is visually unique. Give us a way to customize that and I think that would really be cool.

2. Better F8 drawing mode. Basically, I want something that is easy to use, and can function like Piper's Look at the Book. I use a Surface pro with a Pen, and I want to be able to just draw. I don't want to drag and drop things like in canvas.

3. Better Sermon Editor. Make it more robust, with features similar to Word.

4. Ways organize our documents (I'm thinking of sermons here) into file folders, grouping things together.

That's all on the top of my head for now. I'll post again if I come up with more.

Christopher Bucklin

Already adding stuff: The ability to save a specific combination of Visual Filters into a present that we can quickly activate, rather than having to check and uncheck specific items.

mike

PDF & EPUB Reader
A resizable parallel resource set window (the drop down)... kinda like the library. The current one is sooo small, you can barely see the the list and the covers. Please this is important. We need parallel resource set window to be WAAAY bigger.
Notes needs to retain the capabilities from the previous version. This current one is cumbersome. The previous one was simpler and makes more sense. Searching inside the notes isn't even possible. Terrible.

GaoLu

1. Speed

2. Speed

3. Speed

4. Maps

5. Spit & polish most-used features that never got finished.

I'm not sure why people are still complaining about speed. I invested in an i9, 32GB RAM, fast video card and a PCI-e drive with lots of room and it rocks Logos.

I was wondering about the possibility of making the interface variable in size. I love making the print size very readable, but the interface cannot be made larger that I know of and it's sometimes a challenge to read things that are bit smallish. This might be a bear to do, but some of us older folks would appreciate it.

I'm not sure why people are still complaining about speed. I invested in an i9, 32GB RAM, fast video card and a PCI-e drive with lots of room and it rocks Logos.

I was wondering about the possibility of making the interface variable in size. I love making the print size very readable, but the interface cannot be made larger that I know of and it's sometimes a challenge to read things that are bit smallish. This might be a bear to do, but some of us older folks would appreciate it.

One shouldn’t have to invest on an expensive computer to run Logos. Accordance, heck, even WORDsearch, are faster programs. I mean lightning quick clicks. Logos hangs/stalls too much especially when indexing. It even affects other programs like Word, my pictures, etc. There’s definitely something wrong with the program when it interferes that much with other programs — Hence, the improvement on speed request.

DAL

John Kight

I'm not sure why people are still complaining about speed. I invested in an i9, 32GB RAM, fast video card and a PCI-e drive with lots of room and it rocks Logos.

One shouldn’t have to invest on an expensive computer to run Logos. Accordance, heck, even WORDsearch, are faster programs. I mean lightning quick clicks. Logos hangs/stalls too much especially when indexing. It even affects other programs like Word, my pictures, etc. There’s definitely something wrong with the program when it interferes that much with other programs — Hence, the improvement on speed request.

DAL

I agree with DAL. I would hope that Faithlife would rather we invest in their software offerings every two years, not a new machine. Obviously other Bible Software companies have this figured out. Logos needs to be as fast and snappy as Accordance or WORDsearch.

I'm not sure why people are still complaining about speed. I invested in an i9, 32GB RAM, fast video card and a PCI-e drive with lots of room and it rocks Logos.

Tell you what: you buy me a computer with specs like that and I'll stop prodding Faithlife about Logos being slow.

pk47

A search bar within the Personal Book tab would be greatly appreciated. I hate scrolling down to find the book I'm looking for.

Thank you

pk47

In regards to books: please offer Baker Academic titles in the base packages.

Michael Birney

Desktop - I might not even upgrade to 9, I really love 8. I am sure that is not what Phil wanted to hear, FL needs to sell to exist.

I am sure it could be faster, although on my computers it's awesome.

I think notes could be better. Keep developing this.

But that is the extent of my wish list.

Those are my As someone who has to work with a lot of other software for work, I am really happy with Logos 8.

GaoLu

1. Folders on the shortcuts bar. Like Chrome.

2. Be able to open all contents of a folder in a new panel.

Kevin A

The ability to toggle individual visual filters from the go box/shortcut bar.

The ability to bind a shortcut key to anything on the shortcut bar.

danwdoo

Search Builder - I haven't been able to invest nearly as much time as I want in learning search and so often struggle with it. It would be great if a search builder not only helped me build complex searches, but also taught me advanced searching as I use it so eventually I need to use it less and less.Its goal should be to eventually put itself out of a job in my workflow.
Fit and Finish - An emphasis on fit and finish often makes the difference between a tool being a struggle or efficient and pleasant to use. I don't have a massive library, but the reports of slow performance with one make me a little fearful of building one too large. The new context menu is a great example of good and efficient design. It now has so many more of the things I want easily accessible and yet isn't as cluttered feeling to me. Rethink all the interface in this way such as...
Search jumping. When studying a passage I often follow some successive links and inline searches leading to this bizarre jumping back and forth from left pane to right pane to left pane while trying to remember which pane had my original text again so I can hit the back arrows the correct half dozen times to get back to it. Please rethink this process as you did the context menu to make it less convoluted. I would like to have an option for inline search results to open in a new pane so I don't lose my original place. Let me chase all the rabbit trails I want in new tabs on one side then just single click to close that pane of tabs and I'm instantly back to my original text. Now I suspect not everyone may want this, so make it a setting choice.
Easy bookmarks. Logos is all about reading, so make it easier to quickly get back to the book and place within it I was reading on all platforms with a simple bookmark setting in the upper right corner of a resource like most other reading programs have. Also add a 'currently reading' and 'to read' bookshelf feature so I can easily find the couple of books I am actively reading and the next ones on my to read list.
Implement collapsible panes. Navigation tasks can be handled with side panes that collapse out of the way when not needed and then a single mouse click brings them back. The sidebar is a good example of this. Bookmarks, highlights, and more could really benefit from this. How about a custom navigation pane that can be configured to be collapsed on the left side that works with everything and I can add and remove tools, bookmarks, search tools, or whatever that I like to have always on hand. It would also have my library, current and to read bookshelves built in making it always easy to find my current or next read. Clicking on the Logos icon in the upper left corner would be a great way to get this collapsible pane as it is always there and currently does nothing if you click on it - it's just full of potential waiting to be utilized!
Bringing information together. As I continue to add resources to my library, I'm always looking for tools that pulls information from them and presents it to me in an easy way to read. The ancient literature section in the passage guide is one of my favorites and I am much more apt to impulse buy a resource that is utilized by such a tool. The topic guide is another example. Think through other possibilities that bring out my existing data in useful ways.
Fill the screen! When I open a book or Bible it just opens in the right pane. It should open full screen and then if I open another panel or do a search, automatically switch to a side pane.

One shouldn’t have to invest on an expensive computer to run Logos.

I didn't. It costs less than a cup of McDonald's coffee each day over the computer's life expectancy. All of my problems (much like yours)disappeared with the upgrade.

You invest in what matters most to you. Counting the cost isn't always apparent on a price tag.

NB.Mick

A search bar within the Personal Book tab would be greatly appreciated. I hate scrolling down to find the book I'm looking for.

Ctrl-F does work in the PB Tool, so this may help you using it better than just scrolling. But you are right, this tool has been neglected and is not very usable.

Worthy for L9 would be an interface with filters and facets, like the ones already existing for e.g. for the library, for courses and for documents.

One shouldn’t have to invest on an expensive computer to run Logos.

I didn't. It costs less than a cup of McDonald's coffee each day over the computer's life expectancy. All of my problems (much like yours)disappeared with the upgrade.

You invest in what matters most to you. Counting the cost isn't always apparent on a price tag.

Oh yeah, how much did you invest right off the bat? — taxes and everything else included. Give us the actual price, I’m sure you won’t mind sharing that with us.

DAL

What new books should we include? <~~~ This question can be interpreted as misleading. To me it doesn’t need clarification, but to others hoping for CARTA resources to be included in Logos 9 it’s definitely a misleading question perhaps promising something that will not happen.

I’m 100% sure you mean new books from the existing catalog that have never been included in a base package before — not new books that aren’t part of the existing catalog and that all of a sudden will magically appear in the new Logos 9 base packages. If memory serves me correctly, I don’t think that’s ever been done before. The only thing close to that have been prepub titles that were snuck in a base package and downloaded later when they were completed. Carta, as of now, hasn’t even been negotiated.

I’m just saying. 👍😁👌

DAL

Gregory Lawhorn

What does your ideal Logos 9 upgrade look like? What would make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for you?

1. Speed.

2. Speed.

3. Speed.

4. Performance.

5. Speed.

No getting around it, Logos FEELS heavy in operation. I just deleted and reinstalled (about 9,000 resources) and it helped significantly. But it still takes a momentary pause to bring up the right-click panel; scrolling is a tad jumpy even with only a Bible panel open, not linked to anything. I have a 2017 MacBook Pro running a 2.9 Ghz processor (with graphics switching turned off), and no other program feels as weighty as Logos, including Photoshop. I'm concerned that adding new features will slow Logos down even more, and that would make me sad.

Gregory Lawhorn

Checkboxes in the Library panel for selecting large numbers of items for downloading, deletion, tagging, etc.

Gregory Lawhorn

Making custom sermon templates in Logos available to Proclaim and vice versa.

Liam Maguire

An option to hide ALL the tool bars (think Windows bar auto-hide)! So much line space is wasted by not being able to hide the top tool bar (library, search, etc.) or the tool bars in book panes. Please.

I'd also like to see a build your own base package offering. Even if that was a mix and match from whatever the existing base packages on offer, or a tiered system eg. Mix and match from all Gold level resources, etc.

Andrew Biddinger

Easy bookmarks. Logos is all about reading, so make it easier to quickly get back to the book and place within it I was reading on all platforms with a simple bookmark setting in the upper right corner of a resource like most other reading programs have. Also add a 'currently reading' and 'to read' bookshelf feature so I can easily find the couple of books I am actively reading and the next ones on my to read list.

Agree. Between this and redoing Reading Plans to be more user friendly.

Also, connect the mobile "Reference Scanner" to output reading plans.

Also, the ability to access/filter a book's highlights on mobile from the actual book (like on desktop).

These would make better reading experiences.

Mark

A search bar within the Personal Book tab would be greatly appreciated. I hate scrolling down to find the book I'm looking for.

Thank you

You can use the find (in this panel) button under the 3 dots to the right of the PB panel. This acts as a search bar. What would be nice is to have a left hand column similar to a TOC or a favorites panel that can be created inside the PB panel so that we can organize our PB books more efficiently

I’m 100% sure you mean new books from the existing catalog that have never been included in a base package before — not new books that aren’t part of the existing catalog and that all of a sudden will magically appear in the new Logos 9 base packages. If memory serves me correctly, I don’t think that’s ever been done before.

I think it has been done before, but I can't remember any specific examples of resources offhand. It has definitely been done in base package-like feature-enhanced libraries.

Mattillo

1) Carta

2) Improved touch screen options

3) I'd like to see more tools verses datasets like interactives and such. Maybe an update of all the older ones like the Jewish calendar which needs to be updated each year. I'd love to see a new batch of Logos infographics as well.

4) Rose-Hendrickson Publishing materials. They make numerous infograph and chart books that would be amazingly helpful in Logos.

5) Expanded mobile experience (if possible) as not all desktop options are available on mobile. I know the hardware is the limiting factor but I'd like to see discourse analysis and the outline features on mobile someday. Interactives as well.

Bill

What are the most important things we should solve for Logos 9?

Thank you for asking and for considering my thoughts

What general themes or areas should we focus on?

Ease of use, Speed and completing current tools and features and tagging

What bugs should we fix?

Continue fixing all known bugs in desktop and mobile quickly, I think a good job of this is being done now for the most part, I'm thankful for the forums pointing these out and your teams responses and follow up. it just seems I see that Logos' new roll outs seem plagued with incomplete features and bugs more than other software programs I use. I realize that is a complicated issue, but it is frustrating to the end user. Having the most features in an application is only as good as the quality and ease of use of those features

One perceived bug in the mobile app is the persistent lag or hang when loading and swiping between multiple tabs containing resources with notes, highlights or visual filters turned on. This happens on line, but is worse offline on iPad 2 Logos version 8 stable and 8.10Beta

What improvements should we make to existing features?

Logos 8 is already loaded with features and tools, The forums are full of suggestions, if only one could easily search the forums. MJ, Rosie, Dave Hooton, Graham Criddle, Keep Smiling, Mark Barnes and many others are the voices to seek

Before adding more features and tools, Please make current features complete and user friendly. That includes complete tagging, data types and sets. Examples tools- Notes, Canvas, Workflows, Search, Guides, Visual Filters, Bible Browser, etc.

What new features should we add?

Implement theological and denominational tagging previously requested in previously requested in these forums. I understand that some form of this is being worked on. would like to see it in 9 (desktop)

Ability to select multiple resources in the collection tool and drag and drop them into the "add these resources " or "minus these resources" pane (desktop)

More formatting options in Notes (desktop and mobile) and better continuity in applying them between desktop and mobile

Search builder or more user friendly search capability (desktop)

Ability to scroll within a popup in order to read the text before and after the reference for context purposes(see the Olive Tree bible app for examples) Currently the popup is suppose to include the entire reference range but even this is not consistent (desktop & mobile)

Ability to see a popup of a reference linked in a note (mobile)

Currently there doesn't seem to be a way to choose or prioritise a lexicon or dictionary for "Lookup" when a word is selected in the mobile app for definitions, occasionally the app chooses a concordance instead of a lexicon or dictionary, not helpful at all

What new data sets should we build?

Complete what we have, including documentation first please

What new books should we include?

Not much faith in"wiki" or "suggest a book" for this or suggesting new features the voting process doesn't get much response by users or Faithlife. and they languish there for eternity it seems like community bids

I may be wrong, but It seems to me that more users use the forums than any other tool you have for answering our concerns, questions and suggestions regarding new books, features, typos, bugs, etc. It would seem good and more efficient if separate topic headings were set up and constantly monitored by the various departments at Faithlife in these forums for these and other suggestions and topics, just as there are for Logos 8, Logos Mobile and the like.

What does your ideal Logos 9 upgrade look like? What would make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for you?

Possibly the ability to mix and match or remove categories of resources from different traditions or from within a base package

If different, what should we do to win the next generation of new users?

It seems a much more powerful mobile app and touch and pen support are the way to go

Oh yeah, how much did you invest right off the bat? — taxes and everything else included. Give us the actual price, I’m sure you won’t mind sharing that with us.

Let's try remedial reading: You invest in what matters most to you. Counting the cost isn't always apparent on a price tag.

I have over $40K in Logos. What I spent on the computer is spit.

What part of that don't you understand?

Diego Lara

I like Logos 8 as it is. But it you could add Dark Mode that would be awesome. Accordance has added that to their latest release.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

what should we do to win the next generation of new users?

Can you imagine integration of worship songs with Bible Study ? (that quickly works well)

Lyrics in a Hillsong Worship song include: "One Name holds weight above them all" that could be integrated with Names of God (listen to Hillsong Worship while learning about Names of God). Album "No Other Name" includes a few Names of God so a Song Guide (or Workflow) includes scripture basis for lyrics.

Wonder about worship music expression of Bible passages ? (possibly with video like "Watch the Word" Bible) Still remember John 14:1-7 words from an Easter cantata a number of decades ago.

What would make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for you?

Hebrew/Aramaic read aloud with cantillation chanting (desire to learn/memorize/meditate on many passages). Thread => Hebrew Audio Bible - Another Appeal began on 13 Nov 2015. UserVoice => Audio Hebrew

Keep Smiling [:)]

Hebrew/Aramaic read aloud with cantillation chanting

That would be very interesting. I know very little about cantillation, but heard an example last night in Hebrew class of how an accented syllable affects chanting.

I’m 100% sure you mean new books from the existing catalog that have never been included in a base package before — not new books that aren’t part of the existing catalog and that all of a sudden will magically appear in the new Logos 9 base packages. If memory serves me correctly, I don’t think that’s ever been done before.

I think it has been done before, but I can't remember any specific examples of resources offhand. It has definitely been done in base package-like feature-enhanced libraries.

Maybe, but it’d be nice for FL to clarify so they avoid creating false expectations/hopes for a lot of users 👍😁👌

what should we do to win the next generation of new users?

Can you imagine integration of worship songs with Bible Study ? (that quickly works well)

And here I'd be satisfied with a a new guide section that selected hymn texts already in Logos by passage and/or topic ... and classified them by meter, tone, or chant as appropriate. Examples from my library:

Bevan, Frances. Hymns of Ter Steegen, Suso, and Others. London: James Nisbet & Co., 1894.
The Roman Psalter. Electronic edition. Collegeville, MN: Liturgical Press, 1999.
Birkbeck, W. J., and G. R. Woodward, eds. The Acáthist Hymn of the Holy Orthodox Eastern Church. London; New York; Bombay; Calcutta; Madras: Longmans, Green and Co., 1917.
Bonar, Horatius. Communion Hymns. London: J. Nisbet & Co., 1881.
Bonar, Horatius. Hymns of Faith and Hope: First Series. New York: Robert Carter & Brothers, 1866.
Bonar, Horatius. Hymns of Faith and Hope: Second Series. London: J. Nisbet & Co., 1886.
Bonar, Horatius. Hymns of Faith and Hope: Third Series. London: James Nisbet & Co., 1866.
Bonar, Horatius, and Charlotte Murray. Songs of the Dawn. London; New York: James E. Hawkins; E. P. Dutton & Co., 1887.
Brownlie, John, trans. Hymns of the Holy Eastern Church: Translated from the Service Books with Introductory Chapters on the History, Doctrine, and Worship of the Church. Paisley: Alexander Gardner, 1902.
Charlesworth, James H., trans. The Earliest Christian Hymnbook: The Odes of Solomon. Eugene, OR: Cascade Books, 2009.
Chilcote, Paul Wesley. The Song Forever New: Lent and Easter with Charles Wesley. New York; Harrisburg, PA; Denver: Morehouse Publishing, 2009.
Ephrem the Syrian. Ephrem the Syrian: Hymns. Edited by Bernard McGinn. Translated by Kathleen E. McVey. The Classics of Western Spirituality. New York; Mahwah, NJ: Paulist Press, 1989.
Ephrem the Syrian. Select Metrical Hymns and Homilies of Ephraem Syrus. Translated by Henry Burgess. London; Berlin: Robert B. Blackader; Sampson Low, Son and Co.; Asher and Co., 1853.
General Synod of the Lutheran Church in the United States. Book of Worship. Philadelphia: Lutheran Publication Society, 1884.
Hymnal and Liturgies of the Moravian Church (Unitas Fratrum). Bethlehem, PA: Provincial Synod, 1920.
Ironside, H. A. The Poems and Hymns of H. A. Ironside. Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009.
Keach, Benjamin. Spiritual Songs: Being the Marrow of the Scripture, in Songs of Praise to Almighty God; From the Old and New Testament. Second Edition. London: John Marshal, 1700.
Keble, J. The Psalter, or Psalms of David: In English Verse. Fourth Edition. Oxford; London: James Parker and Co., 1869.
Ken, Thomas. Bishop Ken’s Christian Year or Hymns and Poems for the Holy Days and Festivals of the Church. London: Basil Montagu Pickering, 1868.
Kurtz, Benjamin. Lutheran Prayer Book: For the Use of Families and Individuals. Revised and Enlarged Edition. Baltimore: T. Newton Kurtz, 1860.
Lawson, John. A Thousand Tongues: The Wesley Hymns as a Guide to Scriptural Teaching. Exeter: The Paternoster Press, 1987.
Logos Hymnal. 1st edition. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1995.
Lund, Eric, and Bernard McGinn, eds. Seventeenth-Century Lutheran Meditations and Hymns. The Classics of Western Spirituality. New York; Mahwah, NJ: Paulist Press, 2011.
Luther, Martin. Hymns of the Reformation. Translated by Philip Melancthon. London: Charles Gilpin, 1845.
Luther, Martin. The Hymns of Martin Luther: Set to Their Original Melodies with an English Version. Edited by Leonard Woolsey Bacon. New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1883.
Luther, Martin, and John Hunt. The Spiritual Songs of Martin Luther: From the German. Translated by Thomas Clark. London: Hamilton, Adams, and Co., 1853.
Neale, J. M., trans. Hymns of the Eastern Church. London; New York: J. T. Hayes; Pott & Amery, 1870.
Page, T. E., E. Capps, W. H. D. Rouse, L. A. Post, and E. H. Warmington, eds. Prudentius. Translated by H. J. Thomson. Vol. I & II. The Loeb Classical Library. London; Cambridge, MA: William Heinemann Ltd; Harvard University Press, 1949–1953.
Pick, Bernhard. Hymns and Poetry of the Eastern Church. New York; Cincinnati: Eaton & Mains; Jennings & Graham, 1908.
Pierson, Arthur T., and A. J. Gordon. The Coronation Hymnal: A Selection of Hymns and Songs. Philadelphia: American Baptist Publication Society, 1894.
Prudentius. Prudentius: Latin Text. Edited by T. E. Page, E. Capps, W. H. D. Rouse, L. A. Post, and E. H. Warmington. Vol. I & II. The Loeb Classical Library. London; Cambridge, MA: William Heinemann Ltd; Harvard University Press, 1949–1953.
Ryle, J. C. Hymns for the Church on Earth. London: William Hunt and Company, 1876.
Simpson, A. B. Hymns and Songs of the Four-Fold Gospel, and the Fullness of Jesus. New York: The Christian Alliance Publishing Company, 1890.
Simpson, A. B., ed. Hymns of the Christian Life. Vol. 2. South Nyack, NY: Christian Alliance Publishing Co., 1897.
Simpson, A. B., and R. Kelso Carter, eds. Hymns of the Christian Life. Vol. 1. New York: Christian Alliance Publishing Co., 1891.
Spurgeon, C. H. Our Own Hymn Book: A Collection of Psalms and Hymns for Public, Social and Private Worship. London: Passmore & Alabaster, 1883.
St Ephrem. Hymns on Paradise. Translated by Sebastian Brock. Popular Patristics Series. Crestwood, NY: St Vladimir’s Seminary Press, 1990.
St Symeon the New Theologian. Divine Eros: Hymns of St Symeon the New Theologian. Edited by John Behr. Translated by Daniel K. Griggs. Vol. 40. Popular Patristics Series. Crestwood, NY: St
St. Ephrem the Syrian. The Hymns on Faith. Translated by Jeffrey T. Wickes. Vol. 130. The Fathers of the Church. Washington, D.C.: The Catholic University of America Press, 2015.
The Benedictine Monks of Conception Abbey. The Revised Grail Psalms: A Liturgical Psalter. Chicago, IL: GIA Publications, Inc., 2010.
The Book of Common Prayer from the Original Manuscript: Attached to the Act of Uniformity of 1662. London; Edinburgh; Glasgow; Melbourne; Sydney; New York: Eyre & Spottiswoode, 1892.
The Book of Common Prayer: And Administration of the Sacraments and Other Rites and Ceremonies of the Church. New York: The Protestant Episcopal Church, 1892.
The Episcopal Church. The Book of Common Prayer, 1979. New York: Church Publishing Incorporated, 2007.
The General Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church. Hymns, Selected and Original, for Public and Private Worship. Second Edition; First Revised Edition. Baltimore: T. Newton Kurtz, 1852.
The Norwegian Evangelical Lutheran Synod, The Hauge’s Evangelical Lutheran Synod, and The United Norwegian Lutheran Church of America. The Lutheran Hymnary. Minneapolis, MN: Augsburg Publishing House, 1921.
The Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America. The Book of Common Prayer and Administration of the Sacraments and Other Rites and Ceremonies of the Church. New York: The Seabury Press, 1976.
United Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in the South. The Book of Worship. Charleston, SC: Committee of United Synod on Common Book of Worship, 1907.
Van Oudenrijn, M. The Harp of Glory: Enzira Sebhat: An Alphabetical Hymn of Praise for the Ever-Blessed Virgin Mary from the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. Edited by John Behr. Translated by John Anthony McGuckin. Vol. 39. Popular Patristics Series. Yonkers, NY: St Vladimir’s Seminary Press, 2010.
Vincent, Charles, D. J. Wood, and John Stainer, eds. The Hymnal Companion to the Book of Common Prayer with Accompanying Tunes. Third Edition, Revised and Enlarged. London; New York; Bombay; Calcutta: Longmans Green, and Co., 1914.
Watts, Isaac. The Psalms and Hymns of Isaac Watts. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1998.
Whitefield, George. A Collection of Hymns for Social Worship. Seventh Edition. London: William Strahan, 1758.
Whitley, Katerina Katsarka. Light to the Darkness: Lessons and Carols: Public and Private. New York; Harrisburg, PA: Morehouse Publishing, 2008.
Woodward, G. R., trans. The Most Holy Mother of God: In the Songs of the Eastern Church. London: The Faith Press, 1919.

And yes, Hillsong Worship deserves equal treatment but it's the old stuff I've used for Bible Study with Art over the years. And I love the idea of the Hebrew cantillation to which I'd want to add the Byzantine chants [;)]

Jacob Hantla

What are the most important things we should solve for Logos 9?

What general themes or areas should we focus on?

What bugs should we fix?

What improvements should we make to existing features?

What new features should we add?

What new data sets should we build?

What new books should we include?

Please specify desktop, mobile, and/or web, where appropriate.

What does your ideal Logos 9 upgrade look like? What would make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for you?

If different, what should we do to win the next generation of new users?

Please include links to forum threads, User Voice requests, etc. where applicable.

We've reviewed the User Voice feedback for desktop, mobile, and books, but I want to make sure that the priorities there are reflective of the current priorities of our forum community.

Thanks for taking the time to share your feedback!

Honestly, i think that a robust focus on mobile, markup, and notes would be key. This would involve integration with Apple Pencil (iPad OS and Sidecar) and styylus on other devices. Notes that would allow freehand notetaking, image importing, etc would be wonderful and should be integrated across all platforms. It would be optimal to have markup respond more seamlessly with pencil in a reading mode.

Also, try to get better feature parity and polish in the mobile/web platform.

Jon

If you really want to “win then next generation of users”....you’re going to have to make a full featured mobile app. Until that happens the customer base will continue to age. I see millennials and younger using Logos on computers only because the features they need for seminary aren’t available in the mobile app, and the second they graduate they ditch it. The younger generation is increasingly doing sermon prep and research on phones and tablets, and are not buying as many computers. In fact phones and mobile devices have outsold computers every year since 2010....it’s been an entire decade now. At a bare minimum, all of the tools in the guides menu should be available in the app, workflows, etc. Tablets and phones so powerful nowadays they are easily able to handle that.

I see millennials and younger using Logos on computers only because the features they need for seminary aren’t available in the mobile app, and the second they graduate they ditch it. The younger generation is increasingly doing sermon prep and research on phones and tablets,

I can vouch this applies to my daughter-in-law ELCA pastor and her seminary cohorts.

Dave Hooton

Fix the GUI for tabs that L8 introduced:

Control the tab width for long names e.g. from merged Passage Lists

remove space reserved for the X

Show all link set and target icons by dropping resource images if necessary

remove the name from Collections, Library, etc. tabs (with distinctive icons) to facilitate link set/target icons for other tabs

remove the artifact vertical/horizontal lines from tab menus when Program Scaling < 100

remove tabbing arrows that overlap the first tab when it is not fully revealed

Remove the large decorative Logos icon from the main toolbar
Allow users to vote for bugs to be fixed

DMB

If you really want to “win then next generation of users”....you’re going to have to make a full featured mobile app.

Or the older generation. After pulling our PCs off the net, we wondered what might happen.

1. Stopped buying virus software.

2. Stopped Logos updates and re-indexing (with a serious reduction in purchasing, but I suspect poor sales)

3. Can't update our Suunto's. Hoping they'll update thru ios.

That's it.

I'd say full-featured Logos mobile app, after they do normal featured mobile app.

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/140730.aspx

If you really want to “win then next generation of users”....you’re going to have to make a full featured mobile app. Until that happens the customer base will continue to age. I see millennials and younger using Logos on computers only because the features they need for seminary aren’t available in the mobile app, and the second they graduate they ditch it. The younger generation is increasingly doing sermon prep and research on phones and tablets, and are not buying as many computers.

I'm not so sure. I bought a keyboard for my new iPad but I haven't transitioned to preparing messages on it and that's not because of Logos. I can prepare a message with an open Bible and a legal pad if need be. The tablet simply isn't scaled to run a full passage layout and it's downright cramped to type on. I use it for reading prep and to do some exegesis, but it's not a desktop/laptop replacement.

More features are very welcome but the problem isn't Logos. And even if the next-gen could run a full Logos app on an iPad, when they hit 40, they will be reaching for a laptop for the same reasons us oldsters do.[8-|]

Veli Voipio

Touch screen improvement was mentioned previously and I support it very much.

Mobile screens are small but there is some indication that they'll grow: Samsung Fold as an example.

Thus I would suggest good integration with the PC and mobile Logos. [co]. For example it would be nice to use the same layouts in the mobile (small screen) and with the PC (multiple large screens).

I am an oldie but I use the phone/tablet to read resources. But the PC is good for the full analysis when I can see the large picture: many small windows/tabs simultaneously.

I expect that Linux will sneak in at some point. [G]

Levi Durfey

Occasionally, Apple has released a macOS that was slim in new features and focused on bug fixes: Snow Leopard (which followed Leopard) and High Sierra (following Sierra). These are often remembered by users as some of the best macOS’s. For me, bug fixes and stability and speed are features! Please don't add big new features that consume a lot of coding and debugging and improving time. Fix and improve what is already there.

As far as the bugs go, I am sure you have a list somewhere that is a mile long. It would be nice to see the list posted on the forums. Perhaps there’s a way that people could even vote on what bugs are most critical to them.

Dave listed a few that are big for me also:

Fix the GUI for tabs that L8 introduced:

Control the tab width for long names e.g. from merged Passage Lists

remove space reserved for the X

Show all link set and target icons by dropping resource images if necessary

remove the name from Collections, Library, etc. tabs (with distinctive icons) to facilitate link set/target icons for other tabs

remove the artifact vertical/horizontal lines from tab menus when Program Scaling < 100 [especially this one for me]

remove tabbing arrows that overlap the first tab when it is not fully revealed

Remove the large decorative Logos icon from the main toolbar

Allow users to vote for bugs to be fixed

New features? A few…mainly just improvements on what is already there.

1) one that’s getting a lot of attention over at Uservoice is the Dark Mode (https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-8/suggestions/3357966-night-mode-for-pc-mac).

2) Improve highlighting to include linking highlights with lines—as suggested here by J. Remington Bowling: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/186541/1076793.aspx#1076793

A competitor has just released a new version with this very feature:

3) Continue to work on improving the new Notes Tool. I would love to see the ability to search and highlight those searches within our notes. Also, I would love to have the ability to import images into Notes. Others have made many good suggestions for improving the Notes Tool. I like the direction it's going.

4) Add built-in PDF import for Personal Books. Some of us don't use Word at all. A lot of articles are PDF to begin with and need to be converted to DocX by the user. I hate to mention the competitor again, but their new version has the ability to import from PDF.

MWW

Add built-in PDF import for Personal Books. Some of us don't use Word at all. A lot of articles are PDF to begin with and need to be converted to DocX by the user.

[Y]

Also a new feature that would be beneficial for preachers would be a sermon planner/scheduler and perhaps even a sermon log.

Alberto Deluca

Just for clarification purposes — Accordance highlights are great, but the drawing part where you can circle a word and draw a line to link it with another word is part of their “Whiteboard mode.” The highlights and markings on Whiteboard mode don’t get automatically saved. You would have to save a screenshot of the drawings and markings if you want to save a copy in your pictures.

Levi Durfey

Just for clarification purposes — Accordance highlights are great, but the drawing part where you can circle a word and draw a line to link it with another word is part of their “Whiteboard mode.” The highlights and markings on Whiteboard mode don’t get automatically saved. You would have to save a screenshot of the drawings and markings if you want to save a copy in your pictures.

No, what I showed is part of their "Pen Tool," not the "Whiteboard Tool."

John Brumett

The ability to search for all kings in the book of Daniel. The ability to search for all places in the book of Acts. The concordance tool already has these results but the ability to search by subkind or Biblical Entity is still not available. The ability to search for all Women in the Bible, ect.

Lee

Just to address an annoyance:

For desktop versions, refine the "Service Release" concept.

9.0.0.xxxx = Logos 9
9.1.0.xxxx = Logos 9 SR-1 and so on.

In between truely major service releases, introduce atomistic, delta patches. Case in point, very minor fixes or even cosmetic fixes to update version number.

Nicholas Petersen

#1. Dark mode. Beyond essential for 2020.

#2. A beautiful dark mode.

#3. Beautiful touch / tablet friendliness for full app:

I was so excited many years back for the new Windows touch app, I can understand why that never panned out, but THE MAIN POINT is the same: the desktop app needs to become less bulky, more touch and tablet / 2in1 friendly, and far less slow. The mobile apps can’t begin to offer what the full desktop app can for serious study, but that doesn’t mean the bigger app shouldn’t become touch and snappy / happy friendly as well. Forget all new features, bring Logos into the current and future (mobile apps are already good here ). Anything else makes me worry about my tens of thousands investment in Logos 😿 Please say tears are not needed, I’m worried Logos is getting too dinosaurish, I have faith that this worry was premature though 😺 Yes?

As a .NET programmer, if it is not, by all means update this WPF app to net core 3.1!

Thanks guys for what you do, it’s for the Kingdom.

Martin Hall

I would like to see all of the features available on the iPad.

Ben

Easier/faster searching for Bible verses. I don't mean how fast a search runs; rather, I may recollect a few words from a verse, trying to look up the reference.

I used to turn to Bibleworks for this, because it was so easy to generate/run such a search. (Had to hit "escape" to get my cursor to the search bar, then ".[search terms]" enter. That's it.)

Now I turn to google.

Logos' command bar and structure are too cumbersome to do this quickly, too many steps, too much mouse clicking.

I'm happy to expand on this.

GaoLu

remove tabbing arrows that overlap the first tab when it is not fully revealed

Remove the large decorative Logos icon from the main toolbar

[Y]

Maps:

[Y]

Easier/faster searching for Bible verses. I don't mean how fast a search runs; rather, I may recollect a few words from a verse, trying to look up the reference.

I used to turn to Bibleworks for this, because it was so easy to generate/run such a search. (Had to hit "escape" to get my cursor to the search bar, then ".[search terms]" enter. That's it.)

Now I turn to google.

Logos' command bar and structure are too cumbersome to do this quickly, too many steps, too much mouse clicking.

[Y]

Armin

Easier/faster searching for Bible verses. I don't mean how fast a search runs; rather, I may recollect a few words from a verse, trying to look up the reference.

I used to turn to Bibleworks for this, because it was so easy to generate/run such a search. (Had to hit "escape" to get my cursor to the search bar, then ".[search terms]" enter. That's it.)

Now I turn to google.

Logos' command bar and structure are too cumbersome to do this quickly, too many steps, too much mouse clicking.

I'm happy to expand on this.

Yes, searching in general (not only searching for Bible verses) is too complex. I also use Google to search the Internet instead of Logos to search my library.

Mattillo

Another thought:

Integration w/ Mac's new Touch Bar. Make one customized for Logos.

James Macleod

Sermon Editor

Numbered bullets need to work properly.
All bullets need to indent properly and be more robust
Ability to markup an inserted verse
iPad editing (even if it is just simple text editing)
Fix export to Word. It leaves you with a document with complex formatting

Phrasing Tool

Armin

For me, lack of usability is the # 1 issue. Here are two examples:

- Depending on which menu you are on, you might "Add a note" or "Take a note" or "Add note". Sure, this is not a big deal but it shows that nobody so far has gone through Logos to ensure some consistent logic of usage and terminology.

- A more extensive example is described here:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/182213/1057916.aspx#1057916

As I describe in this post, having 20 options to search for a topic is simply confusing. A while back, I switched to using Google to search for things. If I then find a reference, I check if I have this reference in my Logos library. But I wished I could do the searching in Logos.

Whenever I recommend Logos to others, I always add the caveat that it is really difficult to use. This is a pity, because if people just want to read books, Kindle is cheaper. The advantage of Logos is its power with all its datasets. But without spending a significant amount of time and money on training, this advantage cannot be used.

https://www.amazon.com/Logos-Bible-Atlas-Research-Systems/dp/1577991737

As I describe in this post, having 20 options to search for a topic is simply confusing.

Armin, I'm not disagreeing with you on the complexity of Logos. However, your description of this particular issues may indicate that you are missing some key distinctions that would help you make sense of the Logos structure. If you are interested in getting a bit of targeted assistance, let me know.

Dennis Hilario

1) Faster searching

2) Carta resources in Logos 9

3) Hebrew OT audio

Bruce Dunning

3) Hebrew OT audio

Yes! I should have mentioned this too in my original post.

Dan Cleghorn

It was suggested that I repost my "wish" here.

For 2020, could Logos get their Logos Bible Atlas working again? I cannot get it to work in Windows 10 no matter what I do with compatibility settings. I just want it to work again.

For those who do not remember this great program:

Armin

If you are interested in getting a bit of targeted assistance, let me know.

Yes please! Many thanks.

Robert Kelbe

Desktop Version

UI Improvements

Touch/ Pen Support https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-8/suggestions/619605-focus-on-tablet-and-touchscreen-features
Dark Mode https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-8/suggestions/3357966-night-mode-for-pc-mac
Tab improvements

Constant width tabs rather than variable width
Better solution to the tiny arrows for scrolling through tabs. (I think a good idea would be a drop-down showing all of the tabs in the pane. This could even be a drop-down library window filtered by the resources in the active pane, with the ability to further filter and change the view).

Allow multiple instances https://community.logos.com/forums/p/187160/1081591.aspx#1081591
Multiple table of contents options https://community.logos.com/forums/p/187181/1081658.aspx#1081658
I like the column view with the ability to sort by columns or drag a column to group by (currently in the search and word lists, for example). I think this could be added to other places as well, such as the Library window. It would be nice to have columns for author, series, etc. and be able to sort and group by these columns.
Canvas pen support - "zero" latency, palm rejection, erasing by stroke, recognizing the Surface pen eraser, etc. OneNote is an excellent example of how pens should work. Unfortunately, until it reaches a high level I probably won't use it.

Keep Logos the best!

I'm interested in connected highlights. However, I hope you would do a better job than the competitor which offended my OCD tendencies! I would want them to be similar to the highlights now where they are drawn by the computer.
I'm also interested in resource availability such as Carta and EGGNT

Android

Additional Features

Prayer list support (Who prays primarily in front of their computer?)
Personal Book support (I often prefer to read/highlight on my phone)
A better way to select a verse than a drop-down with Verse numbers.
A way to choose the base text in the text comparison tool (or, as a next-best option, go in order of priority)

Bug fixes

Fix an inconsistency with linked tabs. The active verse for the active tab seems to be based on the very top of the pane (whether or not is is hidden by the navigation bar). The active verse for the linked tab seems to be right below where the navigation bar would be (whether it is visible or not). This results in strange behavior if you scroll alternately in both tabs. When the linked tab is scrolled, it becomes the active tab, and the active verse goes from the center to the top of the tab and causes the other tab to scroll backwards. The location should be the same, based on the top-most visible verse (the top of the tab if the navigation bar is hidden, or right below the navigation bar if the navigation bar is visible. This would be a much appreciated improvement!
Clicking a link should sync linked tabs (currently I have to scroll slightly in order to trigger them to sync).

Alberto Deluca

1) Faster searching

2) Carta resources in Logos 9

3) Hebrew OT audio

Unfortunately, based on another post, # 2 (carta) may not happen. Something about a Bibleware model.

Unfortunately, based on another post, # 2 (carta) may not happen. Something about a Bibleware model.

What’s apparently missing from that topical approach is the ability to read a specific book in its entirety. Citations might also be an issue, if you are unable to cite a specific title and page number.

Hoping that FL can convince Carta Jerusalem that there’s still a market for actual books!

Bruce Dunning

Hoping that FL can convince Carta Jerusalem that there’s still a market for actual books!

That's it in a nutshell! Hoping indeed!

David R. McAllan

I'd like to see the guides consolidated. It seems that the sections involved with the guides are practically available for all the various types of guides. Sure, there will be some tweaking of the one guide but simplicity would be welcome.

Logos 8 is awesome. Changing to a solid state drive made all the difference with my Logos program in respect to its speed..

Is High Quality Software Worth the Cost?

I know what the star element of Logos 9 should be ... even if I'm to lazy to draw the mockup. It should be the "Everything" or "Integrated" view of the data.

First, think in terms of a full-screen panel.
Second, for visualizing it, think of touch screen.
Third, think of the screen as divided into 4 sections with the following content:

A - the left most column contains facets for all the information embedded in the Guides, Interactives, Datasets, Searches, Information Panel, Lookup Panel
B - the next column is used for expanded select, display of Fackbook popup cards, highlight color key, terminology definition popups
C - the Bible text normally a translation with a reverse interlinear. The length of the text must be limited but must be able to contain the longest pericope and/or lection
D - the data display area

Fourth, believe that in an ideal implementation, users could use tables to add information missing in Logos. Examples: adding the command type (non-logical, logical, commemorative) to the Commandments of the Law or adding a new table for typology.
Fifth, believe that in an ideal implementation, users could add a note that applied to the link (Bible word, clause, sentence, passage to a particular piece of data presented about it).

Now lets walk through what we would see in various senarios -

Bible Person

In C: the Bible Passage that you are studying
In A: select a name from the list of all people referenced in the passage. When you select the name, several things happen

The Bible text in C has a highlight pen style filter applied to all occurrences of the person
In B: The standard summary popup from Facebook appears together with the color assigned to the name in the filter. If the person fills a specific role in other data applying to the passage (e.g. speaker in Reported Speech or beneficiary in Miracles of the Bible or beholder in the Theophanies in the Bible), a button to show the subfacets is provided
One may repeat this process multiple times - each name receiving a unique color

Using the subfacets: If one expands the subfacets, if any, from the preceding and selects one of the detailed options, several things happen

All the highlight pen style in C for Biblical Person converts to underlines of the same color; the color key in B also reflects this switch
The occurrence of the Biblical Person within the Theophany is highlighted pen style
In the Theophany Interactive (or at least the data from the appropriate entry) opens in D.

Not certain but I suspect I would treat the artifacts (i.e. media) in a way that parallels subfacets but is separate from them.

Greek Grammar

In C: the Bible Passage that you are studying
In A: from the facet list, select a grammatical feature that occurs in the passage under study. Several things happen:

In the appropriate Greek text is shown with, for example, all accusative nouns highlighted
In C: the associated nouns in English are also highlighted
In B: the definition of accusative + noun is given along with the highlight key

Notes:

Class names should be provided for both declensions and conjugations
A hierarchy of highlighting needs to be established so that part of speech, noun type, case, number, gender . . . can all be shown without obscuring each other.

Ancient Text

In C: the Bible Passage that you are studying
In A: from the facet list, select Ancient Text which does:

In B: the standard Ancient Text list appears along with the capability to filter it by:

the portion of the passage it covers
corpus
reference type
author
work

In B: select a text - that text opens in D with the referenced portion highlighted but with the ability to scroll to see the text before and after

The intent is to make it possible to see all the data (including visualizations) in one cohesive form. One could choose a word and see it in the form of a Word Tree, or Bible Sense Lexicon tree, or with the relevant Clause search data from analysis view ... One could view Outlines, Pericope Comparisons, Parallel Passages (Gospels, Pauline, Jewish History) with your base text identified by a swath across the table.

Lee

off-topic, yet relevant:

DMB

off-topic, yet relevant:

Is High Quality Software Worth the Cost?

Good article.

It's true, I can't see the coding. And maybe this forum isn't your average customer ... many are/were in systems. But when you keep seeing certain types of Logos bugs, you quickly surmise how they happened. Which then points to the spec, plus 80% is ok. Then, the show-stoppers get fixed, but the customer avoids the almost-done result. I can think of a whole series of examples.

NB.Mick

What are the most important things we should solve for Logos 9?

What general themes or areas should we focus on?

What bugs should we fix?

What improvements should we make to existing features?

What new features should we add?

What new data sets should we build?

What new books should we include?

I thought a bit over this. Probably I'm not your typical customer - I'm not a pastor or formally trained theologian. But I spend lots of money on Logos, and maybe there are other customers like me. I find that I read less and less in paper books, it's Logos app and the Kindle app on my mobile, and - much more frequently - Logos desktop and mainly Kindle cloud reader (Amazon's web app) on desktop. I'm happy with my two-monitor setup and the speed of Logos on my Acer Aspire F15 (not a high-end machine, but running on a SSD makes all the difference). No speed increases necessary for me, and no dark mode either.

What would I want to see in Logos 9?

- Make the homepage worth wile for me again. It's usable, yes, but not likeable. Just that the tiles look like youtube when opening up before content is shown doesn't make it cool. Seeing screenshots from the L7 homepage ribbon, with all that functionality for lectionaries, daily devotionals (nothing really that big, but seeing the readings displayed or at least coming up on mouse over really made a difference. I bought an app for my phone to get the daily Moravian texts which I used to look at daily through Logos in L7 days. Or bring back the L7 ribbon as a Tool ("lectionary ribbon" or "daily devotional tool") for the standard view. If you were to do so, you could easily save on developer time and ditch the homepage altogether. I know you won't, because it's a shop-window into things we own, things we should explore and things we should buy from you - but then, this only works if people look into the window. I started Logos to the homepage and looked at it nearly daily in L7 times because of the ribbon. The tiles without functionality don't make me want to go there ever.

- Find a way for community-sourced typo- and link corrections. This could work via shared notebooks or like the community tag - but it would make all the difference. Somehow Community Notes didn't take off, but "sharing" features are here - and users want to use them, want to see the resources in their libraries get better and better and want to feel acknowledged for spending many hours working at what in an ideal world you should be working on, but what realistically is beyond your ability to achieve - but not beyond our combined effort.

- bring on every book the publishers you're working with are putting out on the market - especially the top books. Get contracts early and put the books up for pre-sale prior to them becoming available in other venues. Gauge your ability to produce Logos versions and let everything that is beyond your capability to build as a Logos edition come in as edition:eBook the same day it's available for Kindle.

Those are the big three. Of course I'd like native support for liturgical dates (did you know that way more than 90% of protestant pastors in Germany preach from the lectionary - one not tied to any of the lectionaries supported by Logos) and a more functional UI for the PB tool. Workflows that are not restricted to one, but allow for multiple references (linked to a liturgical date, or a theme) would help. But those things we can work our way around.

What would make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for you?

See above, first bullet. First and second, if the price tag for upgrading is noticeable. I'd expect the third one to bring books that work under L8 as well.

If you want to rake in subscriptions, make PBs usable - if possible: shareable - on mobile and web for Connect subscribers. PBs are not so bad as Bob thinks. They allow you to tackle markets in foreign languages or theological traditions you are not able to serve alone. You know you can't produce the number of books the PB community churns out (and you can retain the right to revoke shared and/or mobile PBs that conflict with your own intentions of selling them, maybe even take over former PBs into your own program).

If different, what should we do to win the next generation of new users?

Think hard about bringing features to the pad-sized mobile devices, either through beefed up apps for Android and whatever iPads run on, or - preferably - the web app.

Tes

PBs are not so bad as Bob thinks. They allow you to tackle markets in foreign languages or theological traditions you are not able to serve alone. You know you can't produce the number of books the PB community churns out (and you can retain the right to revoke shared and/or mobile PBs that conflict with your own intentions of selling them, maybe even take over former PBs into your own program).

Andrew

What improvements should we make to existing features?

Workflows still need a lot of work before they're truly useful.

I 100% agree that we need to be able to specify a collection in the Commentary section for Workflows (also see Uservoice). Honestly, I guess I didn't read the fine print when I upgraded to Logos 8 - I assumed that this would obviously be possible and have been super disappointed that this omission hasn't been rectified. For this feature, I definitely agree with Mark:

I appreciate that to sell upgrades to Logos 9 you need something new, but I don't think that's what Logos needs right now.

I also strongly believe that the Sermon Editor should obviously be able to handle poetic formatting and would significantly benefit from a drag-and-drop interface.

Larry Craig

There seems to be some confusion here. I copy and paste a lot of stuff. And I like to have the footnotes in what I paste. When I enable Copy Footnotes, Logos copies every abbreviation found in the text and then gives the explanation in the footer with the footnotes. Every time the text has LXX, the footer will say LXX Septuagint. Every abbreviated Bible version (e.g. NASB, NIV) will have that abbreviation plus its full title.

These are not footnotes. It is very time-consuming if I want to eliminate these. Logos exists to save users time in their work. I hope you will fix this.

T. L. Brown

I third!

T. L. Brown

I'd like to see other biblical books' explorer such as the Psalms and Proverbs explorers!

Larry Craig

Logos needs the ability for a user to mark resources in, say, a passage guide. There will be a lot of times where, in studying a particular passage or subject, we will use the same search tool, like the passage guide. We will have hundreds of resources to look at. We need some way to mark them as: read, helpful, not helpful, really good, refer back, etc. If I'm studying a subject over a period of time, I won't remember which journal articles I looked at, or which commentaries. I need some way to mark them so I don't repeat things I did before.

Logos 7 had an option where we could star a commentary in the passage guide if it was particularly good. This option should be back but expanded.

The simplest way would be to put, say, 5 stars next to each resource. When you hover over the stars, it gives the meaning: 1 not helpful 2 read

3 good 4 really good

this is something that some serious thought should be put into to determine how many stars and for what. But certainly at least these 4.

We need some way to mark them as: read, helpful, not helpful, really good, refer back, etc.

We used to have this feature in some guide sections; then we only had a note section where we could note such information; now we have nothing. Why? for two reasons: (1) the features had very little usage (2) the redesigned guides have no permanent existence on which to store the data - this solved problems re: new resources, for example. I agree that we need the function ... I'm just noting some of the issues that need to be considered in regaining the functiion.

Larry Craig

I'm glad at least that you agree that we need this function. I don't understand your comment that the features had very little usage. (No need to explain yourself)

Maybe a second best solution is to make the stars a part of the resource title. We will know then which resources have been read, which are good resources, ones we like, but no we wouldn't know in a particular passage if the resource was helpful.

thank you

I don't understand your comment that the features had very little usage. (No need to explain yourself)

I think what MJ meant was that hardly anyone used them.

Maybe a second best solution is to make the stars a part of the resource title. We will know then which resources have been read, which are good resources, ones we like, but no we wouldn't know in a particular passage if the resource was helpful.

Are you aware that you can edit the titles of resources as they appear to you by viewing them in a Library tab? Clicking on the (i) in the Library to open the Info pane with a resource selected will allow you to edit the resource's title by clicking on the small pencil icon.

- Make the homepage worth wile for me again. It's usable, yes, but not likeable. [...] Seeing screenshots from the L7 homepage ribbon, with all that functionality for lectionaries, daily devotionals (nothing really that big, but seeing the readings displayed or at least coming up on mouse over really made a difference. [...] Or bring back the L7 ribbon as a Tool ("lectionary ribbon" or "daily devotional tool") for the standard view. If you were to do so, you could easily save on developer time and ditch the homepage altogether. I know you won't, because it's a shop-window into things we own, things we should explore and things we should buy from you - but then, this only works if people look into the window. I started Logos to the homepage and looked at it nearly daily in L7 times because of the ribbon.

I agree.

Brandon Early

The text to speech feature in Mac is so helpful. However, when I do the Mac text to speech function in Logos it seeming reads what sounds like footnotes, not the text I have selected.

Please enable the Mac text to speech.

JT (alabama24)

The text to speech feature in Mac is so helpful. However, when I do the Mac text to speech function in Logos it seeming reads what sounds like footnotes, not the text I have selected.

Please enable the Mac text to speech.

I don't understand your post. It might be helpful to create a new thread and explain your issue clearly. Specific examples with screenshots might be good too.

Sean Boisen

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I was wondering about the possibility of making the interface variable in size. I love making the print size very readable, but the interface cannot be made larger that I know of and it's sometimes a challenge to read things that are bit smallish. This might be a bear to do, but some of us older folks would appreciate it.

Typing "Set Program Scaling to 150%" in the command bar makes most aspects of the user interface significantly larger. I have an icon on the toolbar to make this convenient (and another to set it back to default, 100%). Does this accomplish what you're looking for?

Sean Boisen

Easier/faster searching for Bible verses. I don't mean how fast a search runs; rather, I may recollect a few words from a verse, trying to look up the reference.

I used to turn to Bibleworks for this, because it was so easy to generate/run such a search. (Had to hit "escape" to get my cursor to the search bar, then ".[search terms]" enter. That's it.)

Now I turn to google.

Logos' command bar and structure are too cumbersome to do this quickly, too many steps, too much mouse clicking.

I'm happy to expand on this.

Fuzzy Bible Search works pretty well for me. Click on the magnifying class to open search; select Basic; select Everything as the search scope if necessary. Here are the expanded results for "come to me" (a pretty vague phrase):

Dennis Davis

Hi Phil,

Great thread. One of my primary pet peeves is with the guides. If you follow a guide through each step by the time you reach the end, you've got a huge number of notes icons in your passage. I think a good idea would be to simply have one note icon show up for each passage in which a guide is used. This will still allow people to see the icon and refer back to the full guide but will de-clutter the passage landscape.

Cheers and Happy New Year!

Steve Maling

Audio Hebrew Bible, please. Yea ASAP, if not sooner (in Logos 8)[:D]

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

Audio Hebrew Bible, please. Yea ASAP, if not sooner (in Logos 8)

News on the availability of an Audio Hebrew Bible will be posted on this suggestion: https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-8/suggestions/5159422-audio-hebrew

Lynden O. Williams

Develop a feature that can read resources in the app on the mobile platform. Like to listen to my books while driving on waiting inline.

Even the mechanical voice in Windows 10 is adequate. Just make sure that it knows that Rev. 1:1 means Revelation chapter 1 vs 1. LEB should read Lexham Bible Dictionary.

Andrew

Develop a feature that can read resources in the app on the mobile platform. Like to listen to my books while driving on waiting inline.

Even the mechanical voice in Windows 10 is adequate. Just make sure that it knows that Rev. 1:1 means Revelation chapter 1 vs 1. LEB should read Lexham Bible Dictionary.

The UserVoice feature request has been marked as "Started" for years... Very frustrating: https://logosmobile.uservoice.com/forums/190765-logos-mobile-apps/suggestions/3671914-enable-read-aloud-or-text-to-speech-like-in-the-de

It is the fourth most requested mobile feature.

Robert Kelbe

Hi Phil,

Great thread. One of my primary pet peeves is with the guides. If you follow a guide through each step by the time you reach the end, you've got a huge number of notes icons in your passage. I think a good idea would be to simply have one note icon show up for each passage in which a guide is used. This will still allow people to see the icon and refer back to the full guide but will de-clutter the passage landscape.

Cheers and Happy New Year!

I agree... I don't think they have to change the architecture of the workflow (though I wish they didn't proliferate notebooks!), but rather they could change the way consecutive notes are rendered. Whenever there are multiple note icons in a row, they should collapse them into a single multiple-note icon that you could hover over or click to see the individual notes.

Michel Pauw

I appreciate that to sell upgrades to Logos 9 you need something new, but I don't think that's what Logos needs right now.

My focus would be on consolidating datasets and tools and improving existing features.

Amen!

Michel Pauw

Add full bibliographic information to clippings, to make them useful for researching.

See thread.

Just read that the CSB audio bible does not sync with the text.

To clarify my previous wish, I hope that any future Hebrew audio bible would include the necessary sync markers that would let the text follow along with the audio.

Thanks for considering how important the read along feature should be for future audio bibles.

Randy

Add full bibliographic information to clippings, to make them useful for researching.

See thread.

Yes. I love how you can get automatic bibliography when you copy text. The more this is refined, the better.

Shouldn't the propsitional outline visual filter work for that.

Sheesh, I have 6000 and feel overwhelmed!

Take advantage of the free training. I use both Morris(Proctor/Logos) and John(Fallahee/LearnLogos), and sometimes it takes both to "get it". I do support both guys by buyng a few lessons as well. With John you can get the Logos 8 bundle for next to nothing. I am now trying to hook it into my writing. I'm using Scrivener,OneNote, Zotero, and Office Lens. I'm still organizing categories. I am also trying to figure out BibleNote.