a question from an Accordance User
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Well you might want to figure out soon how to make this work for you because Accordance is acting like a company that doesn't want to stick around much longer.
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I deleted my forum account and unsubscribed from all their emails.
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That’s for sure. The latest forum discussion asking to hear from management about the promised syncing feature got shut down. At this point, I just wish Logos would buy them out and add their searching capabilities to Logos and their resources that Logos doesn’t have. I also deleted my forum account and unsubscribed from all their emails.
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Hi @Robb Brunansky and @Brian Leathers , I unfortunately agree with Brian that the recent thread getting locked was really concerning and sad. Nonetheless, I wish you guys hadn't gone so far as to delete your accounts, as while Accordance is for sure obviously going through a lot right now, I really believe that the theological arena needs both Logos AND Accordance. Both programs really do offer unique advantages, and Accordance is really indispensable for a lot of my work.
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I agree 100%. They are needed and I hope they turn around. But I don't like how they locked the forum. That forum was supposed to keep people informed.
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I still use what I have in Accordance when I don’t have the equivalent elsewhere. But I see no reason to be part of a forum that isn’t actually a forum. And I have no plans to spend money there so I don’t need their marketing emails.
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Hey Kristin and Steven. I agree with both of you that the healthy competition benefits all of us as users of the software. There are searching capabilities that Accordance has that Logos still does not yet have. And the issue of have multiple workspaces open at the same time is a serious issue that Logos needs to fix. But locking the forums where we were just asking to hear from management at Accordance was the final straw for me. Not being allowed to ask questions is intolerable. Treating customers that way is inexcusable. I’m now longing for the day when Logos buys out Accordance and make Logos better by providing better and more original language searches(I.e. searching Hebrew vowel and cantillation patterns and have multiple workspaces open) and continue allowing user feedback to make Logos even better!
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Banning users and locking threads on the Accordance forum has been going on for quite a while now.
This, along with loyal users voting with their feet and wallets, is not a good look for what was a cutting edge company that now seems to have the wheels falling off its ability to execute its development roadmap. ☹️
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@Kristin, I've found floating windows can do everything the main window can do except of course for the absence of the main menu on the left edge. Here are images. I find switching between these three windows easier than switching between layouts. My main layout includes all three of these windows - the main window and two floating windows.
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Hi @Thomas Glen Leo,
Thank you very much for the screenshots, that was really helpful, and it is encouraging to hear that the floating windows might be more capable than I had been giving them credit for. I'll try to mess around with it again and see what I can do with them.
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My big problem with floating windows is several fold:
- When you open a new resource, it wants to default to the main window. Yes, there are workarounds for this, but it is clunky and adds friction to my workflows
- A floating window still predisposes that my main launch points for menu actions are in the main window. So if my workflow has me in the floating window, in a new virtual desktop or monitor, I have to return to the main window and this is more friction
- Last, but most important, I have layouts that I like to use in different combinations. So for example, I might start with a Greek Optimised Layout, but then want to go to Hebrew layout, or might want to go to church era layout. Or another combination, starting for example with Hebrew. Or maybe I have a layout optimised for a focused study on Romans, but then pull in another combination of optimised layouts. I can only do this in Logos if I close a layout before opening another. This is unnecessarily constraining.
None of these are deal killers, but my browser, databases, and other tools, allow multiple layouts and instances of the software, which creates a bigger blank canvas to overcome the limitations of the UI in my workflows.
While I am on the topic, we really could benefit from the ability to create groups of tabs and label them. When you have a lot of resources open, it is easy to lose sight of a group of resources that you have brought together for a certain stage of your studies.
Just my two pence worth! 💁♂️
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As I'm now understanding workspaces (heavy use), I don't think layouts with multiple windows are even close. I'm a big multiple-window user, for years. But it's a brittle (and efficient) design … very similar to BW. If I want to instead, use multiple layouts for various reasons, the current layout is removed, to load the new layout. And this was early on, a problem. It's basic Logos.
This other problem (maybe different from Donovan), is that books pop into windows almost randomly. It's amazing … I try to think what the code looks like. Even more amazing, if I'm not careful with my mouse in the library, books silently open on different windows, I don't see it, and save the layout. It's like books quietly moving into my house.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I get your first point hugely - and the second. The third point I think shows you use Logos more deeply than I do.
Your first point should be an easy fix, or so says this user who doesn't have any idea how much work would be involved: any resource should open as a tab in the same window as the link that was clicked to open it. And every link should be right-clickable, with a drop-down list of choices to open in a new tab (which would open in the window the link is in) or in a floating window.
The only fix I can think of for your second point is for the user to be able to open multiple instances of the application, which would of course be great.
Groups of tabs would be very helpful. They work well in browsers, and would be useful in Logos for all the same reasons.
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I couldn't agree more with @DMB saying "I don't think layouts with multiple windows are even close" to Accordance multiple workspaces. Concerning the tab group idea @Thomas Glen Leo has, I personally don't need groups of tabs, but the ability to re-name tabs is pretty critical. It is really brutal when the ONE layout Logos lets me have open at a time has 25 "Search" tabs with no indication of what the search even was. In Accordance all of these tabs would be named, and this one layout would have been at least two workspaces by now.
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Totally agree. This would be a perfect feature/enhancement request.
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I've always thought the Logos design team is composed of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. Dr Jekyll designs for intense Logos use, including features that no one thought even possible. Mr Hyde (no murders) follows up with designs that ignore Dr Jekyll, that are barely intuitive, and most important, hugely fashionable. Most recently, Mr Hyde has been quite busy.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I also agree with this. I’ve read posts about floating windows being the ‘answer’ for Accordance users wanting the Workspace experience . I appreciate @DMB ’s honest assessment that floating windows aren’t even close.
@Steven MacDonald - Maybe Logos is listening and will work this in. I think most users would welcome it and it might help lure Accordance folks over.
It breaks my heart to see what has happened to Accordance. It just feels like the new ownership has taken an arrogant tone towards its long time users. So sad, I really like the software and have invested a lot of money in it. I made a decision not to buy anything else from them and to start rebuilding my library in Logos.
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Thanks @Jerry T . I appreciate the feedback. Just to clarify a little bit, I would like to see this feature because it really can be a help and add efficiency for more advanced users. Not so they can replace Accordance. I've done a good bit of PC support over the years and workflow often reflects how people's minds work best. Some are keystroke oriented, some are graphical etc. By no means am I trying to lead anyone away from Accordance and at the same time, I am not defending them. I provide critical feedback on Logos too at times :-). I am heavily invested in both products and really want them both to succeed. I plan on making more suggestions for features which I will draw from both Accordance and BibleWorks. It never hurts to have similar feature overlap.
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I unfortunately completely agree with @Jerry T concerning Accordance's tone, and it is for sure why I am here. :( One thing really concerning me though, is I have seen several posts of people having issues with Logos crashing with Sequoia still into the beginning of this month, and I am not seeing anything about this being resolved. Does anyone here know if those issues have finally been resolved, or if Logos is still having Sequoia issues?
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For what it's worth, running Intel i9 with Sequoia and Logos 38.1 (with subscription) so I can't vouch for the newer M series Macs. I don't recall having any issues from initial Sequoia up through the current 15.2. If you decide on upgrading, it's always good to get a current Time Machine backup.
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Thanks for letting me know, and that is a good point about Intel, as I hadn't mentioned that I'm on an M1. I have no idea if that would matter or not, but I assume it would. Anyway, that's good that you aren't having issues. Thanks also for mentioning TimeMachine. I really love TimeMachine and am sort of obsessive about it.
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I run MBP M1 with Sequoia and Logos runs great.
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I run a MacBook Air with M2 with Sequoia and Logos runs great.
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No issues for me, both on my Intel iMac Pro and M2 MacBook Air.
Overall Sequoia has been one of the more decent upgrades I've had with macOS overall. Not perfect, but I've experienced a lot worse in the past.
Apple Intelligence is also 100% opt-in. You can leave it off. I know that was an original concern of yours.
Time Machine works great for me as well. I backup two drives and rotate one offsite monthly. Living in Tornado Alley, you have to. :-)
Dr. Nathan Parker
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+1 for M2 MacBook Air with Sequoia. Logos has no issues. I can’t answer Kristin’s question on the other forum about Accordance on Sequoia because I haven’t opened Accordance in months. :/
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Accordance is working on Sequoia as well :-)
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All of my apps currently work on Sequoia, even some I don't have the latest versions on (there's a couple with paid upgrades I haven't upgraded to).
I keep going back and forth on Apple Intelligence. Each time I try it, I usually end up disabling it.
Only "issue" I have right now is my love/hate relationship with my 13" MacBook Air. When traveling, I love it since it's small and fits great in a suitcase. When at my desk, I've been turning to my iMac Pro since I need a larger screen. Next year I need to buy myself another/bigger monitor.
Then again, I have four computers on my desk, so I could just boot all four up and spread all my work across all four displays. Between that and my weather equipment, flight tracker, and HAM radio equipment, my office looks more like a spy setup. :-)
Dr. Nathan Parker
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In the same boat Jonathan, mine works flawlessly here, but I too have not opened Accordance in several months.
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I sometimes have issues with Logos on Sequoia, BUT in general Logos runs much better and faster on MacOS than it did in the past.
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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Running Logos 38.1.2 on Sequoia 15.2 on Macbook Pro M4 Pro just fine.
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